EPTedit: i went to an amerrican high school with a decent number of japanese students
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v1rtu0so
United States140 Posts
edit: i went to an amerrican high school with a decent number of japanese students | ||
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MK
United States496 Posts
I don't think you can blame me for assuming that there is at least a sizeable japanese population with an anti-korea sentiment. no offense but yes I can because it is definitely NOT a sizeable japanese population compared to the global japanese population or even the global japanese population online. | ||
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v1rtu0so
United States140 Posts
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MK
United States496 Posts
ok, you can say that a group of Japanese is trolling against cn/kr online but in every countries there are couple of these stupid guys. :/ | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
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koreasilver
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On July 08 2009 11:40 sk` wrote: Koreasilver: Heh, no more rubbish than what it was in reply to. I'd say Japanese are unaware of their past in comparison to Koreans because their culture doesn't reflect on it as a whole. I do not live in Korea so I don't know, but, if one's mother/father harps on about WW2 even though they have no direct link to it, you too will continue that. That's just pure speculation as I don't know. I think MK's point below summarizes it. Japanese seem to enjoy moving forward, especially the Tokyo population base. Compared to other population bases their economic structure is designed to give rise to renewal consumerism and this is also going to lead them to think more about the future than the past. I'm not going to praise the Japanese way or the Korean way as one should be mindful of both the past and the future. In refence to MK's post I've found Japanese tend to be exceptionally nervous about the future compared to Americans. MK: So you're in the Tokyo area then? If so we should get some games in... though I'm pretty bad at SC due to starting so late and being old. Again, the modern economics of Japan and Korea are pretty similar, and in recent years Korea is advancing at a faster pace in general compared to Japan, and Korea is expected to surpass Japan in wealth in 50 years or so. Also, it is the older generation; the grand/great grand parents of my generation that talk about the occupation era the most, not our parents. Our grandparents are very relevant as they lived through the times, and many of them are still alive. On July 08 2009 11:49 Manifesto7 wrote: What "anti-Korean" sentiment? Other than obscure manga and a few bitter old men, Korea is insanely popular in Japan. This comes despite constant media reports about how anti-Japanese some Koreans are (whether or not this is the case). Do you really know this, or is it just something you have read about? Because I have read about that, but never ever witnessed that. Mani, you can't possibly not be aware of how Koreans in Japan were extremely marginalized until very recently, and even now there is still some tensions within Japan. Also, that "obscure" Hate The Korean Wave manga was supposedly a best seller in Japan, and even if I read that wrong, the book was widely publicized through the internet and there was a sizable uproar within Korea in response to the book. Hardly obscure. On July 08 2009 12:00 v1rtu0so wrote: Few japanese students from my school ( I went to a very diverse high school), although the majority are admittedly quite reticent and reserved. Japanese media online - 2C, 2ch, in fact, most of japanese netizens seem to be anti-korea. Not to mention right-wing politicians. To clarify, I would love it if what you said were true. Sadly, I am not really getting that impression. And how different is this from how many Korean netizens are anti-Japan, and how politicians in general in Korea show a general distaste for Japan? | ||
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kaizenmx
United States110 Posts
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MK
United States496 Posts
Mani, you can't possibly not be aware of how Koreans in Japan were extremely marginalized until very recently, and even now there is still some tensions within Japan. Also, that "obscure" Hate The Korean Wave manga was supposedly a best seller in Japan, and even if I read that wrong, the book was widely publicized through the internet and there was a sizable uproar within Korea in response to the book. Hardly obscure. can you give a link about his "obscure" manga wave ? because I guess if I try to ask "anti-korean manga" in the manga kisa next to my office, I won't find anything like that. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
Kenkanryu (‘Hating ‘The Korean Wave’’), a comic book by a hitherto unknown author under the pseudonym of Yamano Sharin (the author maintains anonymity) with strong anti-Korean content, became an unlikely bestseller in Japan in 2005. http://www.japanfocus.org/-Rumi-SAKAMOTO/2535 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manga_Kenkanryu I just found the first link, so I have no idea about the information in there as I'm reading it right now. It's rather long. | ||
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v1rtu0so
United States140 Posts
Koreasilver: It is not much different. I never claimed that... I was pointing out earlier that that the some of the japanese have anti-korea sentiment shows that they are not ignorant of history -- but perhaps misinformed. | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27154 Posts
Mani, you can't possibly not be aware of how Koreans in Japan were extremely marginalized until very recently, and even now there is still some tensions within Japan. Also, that "obscure" Hate The Korean Wave manga was supposedly a best seller in Japan, and even if I read that wrong, the book was widely publicized through the internet and there was a sizable uproar within Korea in response to the book. Hardly obscure. Again, is this something that "many Japanese" supported, or just government policy. It would have been admirable if the Japanese voter had made this issue a priority, but they are by no means the only majority group to ignore the plight of minorities in their country. As for the manga, mainstream media refused to advertise it, and much of the sales were driven by curiosity, and even boycotts. Not everyone who bought the manga supported it. America sells 15,000 copies of Mein Kampf per year, does that mean those people subscribe to it? I'm sure there is anti-Korean sentiment in Japan, but to claim it is at the level that v1rtu0so says, I just haven't seen evidence of that. If the Japanese were really that ignorant of their history, as some suggest, I don't understand the anti-Korea sentiment of many Japanese people. The only way such widespread (and illogical) hatred could have spawned is if they know the history but somehow have a very twisted perspective of it. For one, I know that many japanese claim that koreans are being ungrateful for "modernizing" korea during the occupation. edit- I guess the next step is for me to grab a camera and interview some people. Anyone want to sponsor some research? I require a dictionary and 3 beers an hour. | ||
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koreasilver
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MK
United States496 Posts
On July 08 2009 12:35 koreasilver wrote: http://www.japanfocus.org/-Rumi-SAKAMOTO/2535 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manga_Kenkanryu I just found the first link, so I have no idea about the information in there as I'm reading it right now. It's rather long. thanks for the link btw. didn't know about that. "Is this not an example of the manipulation of the reader's impression through beautifying those who support you and portraying those who oppose you otherwise, which we have criticized China and Korea for doing?" | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On July 08 2009 12:36 v1rtu0so wrote: MK and ecael: I never claimed that every japanese is anti-korea, just that there is a good-size sector of the japanese populace that seems anti-korea. For your info., 2ch probably does represents the worse side of japan, but it is way more mainstream than 4chan ever will be. I don't think 2ch/2c can be ignored so easily, given that they are the biggest sites in japan. So you are suggesting that 2ch is mainstream enough to be a considerable factor, then? But even that is inherently flawed a way to look at the matter. Let's take posting habits on 2ch, the amount of trolling, self-responding via different account and bandwagoning is incredible. The traffic that it generates is hardly a good enough indicator anymore of powerful the sentiment is. The best way you can look at it is through its manifestation on the public sphere, not to point at an environment where people are protected by anonymity to fill their ego as much as they want. The 4chan comparison is still accurate, 2ch has generated buzz, but it simply doesn't wield real power. Mani I'll record questions in my halfassed Japanese and you can just chill with an ipod and a mic! Can't afford to keep up with your alcohol tab though :p | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On July 08 2009 12:38 Manifesto7 wrote: Again, is this something that "many Japanese" supported, or just government policy. It would have been admirable if the Japanese voter had made this issue a priority, but they are by no means the only majority group to ignore the plight of minorities in their country. As for the manga, mainstream media refused to advertise it, and much of the sales were driven by curiosity, and even boycotts. Not everyone who bought the manga supported it. America sells 15,000 copies of Mein Kampf per year, does that mean those people subscribe to it? The marginalization was just a cultural aftereffect of the occupation era where the Japanese people in general looked as Koreans as lesser, as the Koreans were from a subordinate colony. This specifically didn't really have much to do with the government; just general social workings. Social feelings got better as time passed and the younger generations of both countries began to like each other more, and I believe it's continuing to get better. For the manga, no, just because it was a bestseller doesn't mean everyone that purchased the books agreed with what was said. However, because it was a bestseller, and because there was such a big deal about that manga, it just further confuses me as to why the general Japanese sentiments towards the past is still so withdrawn. I mean, my earlier argument in this thread has pretty much been shattered as if what has been said in this thread is true, then the Japanese do have a noticeable amount of contact with their history. I have no idea. I haven't had any first-hand experience with these Japanese texts that brought up issues, nor do I have any access to primary sources to make my own opinion without being filtered through a biased media. | ||
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sk`
Japan442 Posts
I will say of the people I consider friends here 10% dislike Koreans because Koreans bitch at them so much (which is why I brought that topic up here), 60% have been to Korea and the remaining 30% would go to Korea if they could afford it. And well... 100% tell me awful dog-eating stories I refuse to believe... that shit isn't true right? I want to go to Korea but like, I love dogs more than... well anything. In fact, we should turn this thread into a cute puppies posting thread and quit all this debating non-sense. ![[image loading]](http://badanimalpuns.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/shiba-puppy.jpg) Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa face exploding from cutenesssssssssssssss ![[image loading]](http://www.corgicorner.com/images/corgipup.jpg) SUBMIT TO IT NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW | ||
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MK
United States496 Posts
so cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuute. | ||
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sk`
Japan442 Posts
Here's one from our first move: ![[image loading]](http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/94/l_dc5db3f9b85fa5bb7361a22cc87b9da3.jpg) And it is small, but... my dog at a basement LAN: ![[image loading]](http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/35/l_cd11866f5c42403793361a66898a130b.jpg) | ||
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ParasitJonte
Sweden1768 Posts
Unless I'm misinformed, japanese citizenship is not awarded automatically at birth just because you were born in Japan; but by the nationality of your parents. So if you're born to korean parents in Japan that would exclude you from citizenship and you would in effect be discriminated. This may not be entirely true, but I felt that as a visitor (and perhaps especially as a caucasian?) you get treated well and, given the right circumstances, people are open and friendly just because you're not the same as everybody else. But from what I've read on other forums the situation is different if you actually live there; not as a visitor anymore. That it's hard to fit in and be accepted. I wouldn't know as I haven't tried it though. | ||
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Diomedes
464 Posts
Japan is a conservative country with quite some xenophobia. The US never apologized for the fire bombing of Tokyo or the atomic bombs yet this doesn't result in young Japanese longing for revenge and hating young Americans. This is the case in Korea and China. We have even seen examples on this board. And yes, the Japanese government has seen no reason to try to diffuse the situation. Japan is not a western country. It's not a functional democracy. People are not equal to the law, etc etc. Of course China is one of the most repressive regimes on the planet. Yes, it's a result of the difficulties of trying to keep their country united. But it's true nonetheless. Also, the relationships between Asian countries is very very different from those in Europe. Europe is the continent with the most and the most bloody wars. Yet they seem to make peace as easily as they make wars. In east-asia almost no country has very warm relationships with any other. It's China vs Taiwan, N Korea vs S Korea. S Korea vs China. China vs Japan, S Korea vs Japan, N Korea vs Japan, Russia vs Japan. They could have more economic cooperation/integration. They could have a monetary union. They could cooperate in research and space exploration. But they don't. Every time they do talk they talk as if WWII happened only 10 years ago and they of course have to deal with the problem of N Korea. Luckily Japan does suffer from the same syndrome as Germany. Germany was the most civilized country in the world. They had the top philosophers, the best composers, a rich literary culture with many big names. Yet they elected Hitler into power and followed him into war just after WWI and did nothing to stop the genocide. It seems that losing a war does teach a country and a people a lesson. Try to imagine a Japan without it. Also, both S Korea and Japan are under the sphere of influence of the US big time. They both depend on the US. And that comes at a price. Politicians in both countries know this. Even in Europe where countries are independent politicians still bow to the power of the US. It's even harder not to do so in Japan or S Korea. So that's what happens. And of course this even more a problem for a united east asia. | ||
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