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Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
May 23 2009 18:35 GMT
#61
Spending time in the military was the best decision i ever made. Even though i knew i didn't want to do it long term, it made me into a much stronger person and i developed so many new skills that i would have never had exposure to had i not joined up. If you want to start raping life i would highly recommend it.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-23 18:41:03
May 23 2009 18:40 GMT
#62
On May 23 2009 22:05 Aegraen wrote:

Fun Fact: Military life does not make you an asshole. You are either an asshole before you join or not. For most, (my family has a long heritage of military and law enforcement service), it mellows you out due to the experiences.


I have never in my life met someone who came out of military service specifically more humble -- with the exception of my brother, but not because of the Military itself (severe near death experience that got him a medical discharge). Every single former military relative and friend I have ever had gains this holier-than-thou attitude about what the military is, how it is the greatest thing in the world, and how others ought to join the military. It doesn't make them necessarily bad people, but it does intend to inflate their egos and make them feel more knowledgeable than they actually are.

All of these things apply to you, too.

I actually like the military and the opportunities it gives, but it by no means makes you more humble or mellow. Look at you, you take every chance you can get to curse people for differing opinions (No, someone does NOT have to respect the military -- it's their choice, not yours), constantly rail on about the benefits, suggest EVERYONE spend four years of service even though I bet you a quarter of the people here wouldn't even be allowed in, are ridiculously pedantic about criticisms of the military or even pseudo military operations, the list goes on. I respect anyone who takes time out of their life to better themselves and protect the country, but you're full of it if you think it mellows people out.
Remember Violet.
RoadTrippin
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States48 Posts
May 23 2009 18:58 GMT
#63
It's the Memorial Day weekend and people are arguing about the military. C'mon now. Save it for some other day. Remember the fallen heroes that gave the ultimate sacrifice and their surviving families. I'm sure everyone would know of at least one from your hometown.
KaasZerg
Profile Joined November 2005
Netherlands927 Posts
May 23 2009 19:00 GMT
#64
The Netherlands doesn´t have any borders to defend. We do have a UN contingent. In the cold war the army was usefull. Now its optional to help in Afganistan and Iraq. We have no business invading sovereign nations even when ruled by a cruel dictatorship. We have enough of those but the reasons for invading are not so noble as to bring democracy and freedom. Otherwise Birma would have also been invaded for that matter. I don´t believe Sadam intended to attack Israel. Thats Arab rethoric. The invasion of Kuwait was economically motivated just as the invasion of Iraq. The cultural reasons for invasion were just make believe, a mascarade. Economic reasons are the main cause of conflict. When resources are scarce people devide by cultural differences and become intolerant. Example The Molukken Indonesia.

Afganistan, Rediculous amount of jobless young men. A very flat demograpic pyramid. Heroinproduction is the only way to make a living. Your older brothers are already running the farm. Be Taliban or be a useless bum who cannot marry.

Palestine. space, water, fertile land, jobs, movement restrictions, police state, bombardments. Whats not to like as an able bodied Palestinian.
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
May 23 2009 19:01 GMT
#65
On May 23 2009 17:12 The Storyteller wrote:
It really kills me to admit this, but yeah, the internet has made me a better person. It's kind of hard to express, but I feel like I matured a lot in there, I got to meet people from different backgrounds, I got to interact with and under a variety of assholes and nice guys and I got to do things I wouldn't have done otherwise. Most importantly, I was asked to do a blog while I was in there and that experience made me choose the career I have.


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Rakanishu2
Profile Joined May 2009
United States475 Posts
May 23 2009 19:02 GMT
#66
I was just about to say, I think what the army does for people is terrific. There are plenty of people who just need a little motivation to get started on life, and a little discipline.

I would argue that some of the things that the army has conducted is evil, but why should you take that out on the soldiers? Haven't you seen "A Few Good Men?" They're ordered to maintain the chain of command and follow orders.

If the mods catch this, I've been lurking here for like 2 years, and I haven't been able to register because your email auto-validation system doesn't like the @u.washington.edu part. Just made another email for this website.

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Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
May 23 2009 19:02 GMT
#67
On May 23 2009 22:05 Aegraen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2009 21:45 VIB wrote:
On May 23 2009 21:21 Aegraen wrote:
On May 23 2009 21:19 Mah Buckit! wrote:
On May 23 2009 19:22 Integra wrote:
On May 23 2009 19:00 QuoC wrote:
they brainwash the fuck out of you when you first get there.
it's bootcamp like a mofo, strip you of your pride & dignity..
it's all for a good cause though.

yes, to start wars and kill people you never met in strange countries you never been to before.


And not forgetting that most of the people couldn´t even place those countries on the worldmap or give shit. That´s democracy for ya all !
Have to love the extreme bias and ignorance of some of the members here in regards to the military.
"You guys have obviously biased opinions in regards to the military."
- Active Military who admittedly is a huge fanboi of the army. Claims to be a high IQ army badass who could stand waterboarding no problem. But doesn't really think the army makes you an asshole.

You know what is the different between Irony and Contradiction?


Fun Fact: I'm not in the Army.

Fun Fact: The long traditions and customs and courtesies of the US military is no way comparable to whatever Brazilian Military is accustomed to / has done.

Fun Fact: Military life does not make you an asshole. You are either an asshole before you join or not. For most, (my family has a long heritage of military and law enforcement service), it mellows you out due to the experiences.

Fun Fact: You should thank the military for the protection of the citizenry. We do the hard work so you can live the cush life. Show some respect.



Yeah lol, the military, because developed countries with no military powers live in such misery.
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pangshai
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Chinatown5333 Posts
May 23 2009 19:04 GMT
#68
While I wouldn't say I didn't learn anything from the army while I served my time, I think 2 years is just too much time to waste.

Something I specifically "learnt" in the army was the concept of discipline or "mind over matter" or whatever you wanna call it. While on training missions, I often had to walk very very long distances, sometimes on extremely unfavourable terrain, carrying very heavy loads.

I suppose most people on this forum probably won't have the experience of carrying heavy stuff and walking for long distances. Its kinda like, when you first pick up your stuff, it doesn't feel _that_ heavy, your back does't hurt immediately, you don't feel like you're going to buckle under the weight. After 30 minutes of walking with that load, your shoulders start to get sore. 5 hours later, your feet are sore, your shoulders and back are killing you, and the worst thing is, you don't know when its going to end.

The emotional toll is just immense. I remember on a specific mission, we landed at the landing site at 8pm and walked the whole night till 10am in the morning before we reached the objective. Basically I was just telling myself the entire time that my job was very simple -- to put 1 foot in front of the other, but even that just seemed like an impossible task. Just slightly before we reached the objective, we arrived at a simulated minefield just at the foot of a small hill that we had to climb, and I was thinking "just kill me". I think its during moments like this that you get to see how comaraderie really pulls you through.

On a separate mission, we had similarly walked through the night and were climbing up a rather steep mountain to get to the objective. Time was running out, we were going to fail the mission if we didn't engage by the "h-hour". My platoon commander rushed up the mountain, and when we reached the summit, most of the platoon was still lagging behind. Trying to meet the h-hour, he tried to organise the 8 or so of us who made it up there into a force that could confront the enemy, but there was a very glaring lack of firepower, since we were all carrying your standard semiautomatic rifles.

It seemed like all was lost and we were going to fail the mission (repercussion being redoing another "exercise" which usually consisted of 3-4 missions), but he turned around he saw the entire platoon perfectly organised and ready, doing exactly what they were trained to be doing. I think he was overwhelmed. Later when we got back to camp, he recounted the story to me. If he could recreate the feelings he had experienced then, he'd probably have broken into tears lol. You just don't get this kind of experiences from studying, or doing everyday things.

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foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
May 23 2009 19:12 GMT
#69
I think it can be a good experience for a person. I pondered joining the army while I was at uni, but decided against it in the end. Belgian military is a fucking joke anyway. Though if I were a soldier I'd probably get mightily pissed off at and frustrated by people randomly dissing the military because they're just "invading countries where they shouldn't be for a fascist government yadda yadda". =)
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Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
May 23 2009 19:28 GMT
#70
Air Force is paying my way through med school ($0 debt), then will give me a salary during residency 2x what I could get in the private market....so ya, I am better off because of them; even when you consider the payback I owe them.
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-23 19:32:14
May 23 2009 19:31 GMT
#71
All I know is that if I wasn't diagnosed with Diabetes at age 13 I would probably be in the military right now, seeing how that was how I figured to pay for College and so forth.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Disintegrate
Profile Joined April 2009
United States182 Posts
May 23 2009 19:37 GMT
#72
i shagged a chick in the army

nearly got courtmartialed after that

now im never touching a condom ever again
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
May 23 2009 19:41 GMT
#73
From what a lot of you guys are saying, it sounds like the military would help me learn to fix a lot of my personal problems with motivation, self discipline, etc. I am hesitant to join though simply because I find the idea of war appalling, and don't want to be part of something founded upon it
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alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-23 19:51:14
May 23 2009 19:49 GMT
#74
my friends in army were just bored as shit lol -_- (singapore army )
i guess they did learn some things but for the most part they were really bored lol liek guard duty which was basically taking turns sleeping or wahtever lol
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Railz
Profile Joined July 2008
United States1449 Posts
May 23 2009 19:52 GMT
#75
I'd join if another Pearl Harbor happened but since no country will blatantly surprise attack anymore without a deceleration of war, I don't see that happening. I was too young to join for 9/11, but even then, no clear enemy was made for the army to fight.
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-23 20:00:33
May 23 2009 19:57 GMT
#76
I think being alive in general makes you a better person. Any unique (to you) experience, excluding trauma, will probably make you a better person. Which basically means the army is good as long as you never have to fight
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benjammin
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2728 Posts
May 23 2009 20:06 GMT
#77
On May 23 2009 18:31 CharlieMurphy wrote:
I probably wouldn't mind if there was a manditory draft of service for every man in US like it used to be (and is for many other countries still).


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D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
May 23 2009 20:15 GMT
#78
Mandatory army service is no good =(

If the army is so good why do they need forcing people on it ?

I understand SK for instance, but Brazil ? Its lame, we cant even pay the military proper salaries so some of them sell rifles, granades and bazookas to the drug dealers.
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
May 23 2009 20:19 GMT
#79
I think anyone who graduates from a decent (use your own interpretation) undergrad program is automatically adequate in terms of discipline.

Physical training seems like a big plus, which many people lack these days.

Taking orders from your superior is something that can swing both ways. In North American companies (less blue-collar), strictly following orders is not something that's encouraged. You aren't supposed to strictly follow everything you boss tells you, you should provide your own insight and form opinions if necessary.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
May 23 2009 20:22 GMT
#80
I wonder how many here who have been negative have never experienced it?

Most of the people I've seen come through basic training (but not deployment) have come back much more disciplined and just more capable in general.

As for those who are ragging on various adventures by various militaries - be aware that these are POLITICAL decisions not military ones. It's the politicians that decide what to do, and the military that bleeds and suffers casualties. The politicians are the ones that get me angry, not those who serve (in general - there are exceptions).
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
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