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On May 23 2009 21:45 VIB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2009 21:21 Aegraen wrote:On May 23 2009 21:19 Mah Buckit! wrote:On May 23 2009 19:22 Integra wrote:On May 23 2009 19:00 QuoC wrote:
they brainwash the fuck out of you when you first get there.
it's bootcamp like a mofo, strip you of your pride & dignity..
it's all for a good cause though. yes, to start wars and kill people you never met in strange countries you never been to before. And not forgetting that most of the people couldn´t even place those countries on the worldmap or give shit. That´s democracy for ya all ! Have to love the extreme bias and ignorance of some of the members here in regards to the military. "You guys have obviously biased opinions in regards to the military." - Active Military who admittedly is a huge fanboi of the army. Claims to be a high IQ army badass who could stand waterboarding no problem. But doesn't really think the army makes you an asshole. You know what is the different between Irony and Contradiction?
Fun Fact: I'm not in the Army.
Fun Fact: The long traditions and customs and courtesies of the US military is no way comparable to whatever Brazilian Military is accustomed to / has done.
Fun Fact: Military life does not make you an asshole. You are either an asshole before you join or not. For most, (my family has a long heritage of military and law enforcement service), it mellows you out due to the experiences.
Fun Fact: You should thank the military for the protection of the citizenry. We do the hard work so you can live the cush life. Show some respect.
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Snet
United States3573 Posts
For some people the military can just be a job if you have any sort of foundation to your own personality before joining. My father has been in the Navy for over 30 years and he's just like any other guy. Obviously some things rub off on you like thinking waking up at 6am is sleeping in or something, but for the most part he's completely normal.
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On May 23 2009 18:38 Carnac wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2009 17:21 Biff The Understudy wrote:
There is no conscription in western Europe anymore.
I'm quite glad about it, have to say. I really dislike the whole military idea in general. There is in Germany :p Although it's a joke, because they end up selecting like 1/6th or so of the men -.- I didn't have to do it either and for France I had to do the JAPD, but that's half a day lol
there's also in switzerland, gladly i was able to do civil service in germany, which got accepted when i moved here...
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On May 23 2009 18:09 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2009 17:54 Etherone wrote:On May 23 2009 17:32 IntoTheWow wrote:On May 23 2009 17:18 BroOd wrote:
For many people, the army provides a certain strict discipline and guidance severely lacking in home life. There's male bonding, learning to deal with authority, performance under pressure, etc.
There are many cons to military life, but some of the pros are invaluable to a person lost in the world. You can get all that from studying too. Except physical training of course. i completely disagree. The reasons I disagree include: 1 discipline is not learned through studying but rather a requirement to being able to study, kind of like how mothers say you shouldn't sit close to the TV because it'll ruin your eyes, it's total bullshit, but if you do in fact sit very close to the TV your eyes are already ruined. 2. studying in and of itself does not bring male bonding, maybe the context in which you are studying but not the studying it's self 3 studying simply does not contribute much to learning to deal with authority, i merit this to the fact that learning empowers an individual and sometimes arrogance sets in with the knowledge, and although some measure of arrogance is good it does not help with learning to deal with authority. and no i am not trying to sound like an asshole, and I do generally agree that studying is a better alternative to joining the military. Trust me, nothing but discipline gets you through the days with minimal sleep to keep staring at a sheet of paper for hours. bonding comes from studying with other people. At one point or another you will need to develop this in your studies or professional life. I don't see how dealing with authority is a good thing, but yeah you do when you see your exam corrected hahaha. It seems you had awful learning experiences from your post.
There are too many things to comment about so this will be long...but hopefully people will read considering I probably know more about this topic than most people on the forum.
As a Staff Sergeant in the US army, I'm going to say straight up that you (IntoTheWow) have no idea what you're talking about...so please stop equating studying to joining the army. Yes, I have completed college, and I know what that's like.
Also, a lot of you other people just bashing the army and what it's done and turning this into a flame war, please stop, you don't know what actually goes on.
Now, on to the original topic.
(Disclaimer: I know it's different in other countries, but this is my view of the US army and only the US army, seeing as I know nothing about any others)
Here's the GOOD: I completed my college studies at the age of 21, and afterwards joined the army to start building on my career for a few years. The army has, in fact, done a lot for me financially and looks great on a resume in the civilian world. I have had almost 70,000 in school loans paid off and am currently pursuing another degree (all paid for). Also, the benefits (medical, dental etc.) are amazing. I am also in great physical shape because of joining the army.
Here's the BAD: I tend to take a lot of shit for policies that I had nothing to do with. Basic training sucked balls, but was kind of entertaining at the same time. Also, as a side note, the sleep depravation you experience in college is not only self-imposed via procrastination most of the time, it also in no way compares to the sleep depravation you experience in basic training. I have sustained a couple annoying injuries since joining the army. The rules/leadership in the army can be really pointless/stupid/annoying.
Very few people that I know actually consider the army a calling. Most people that like the army like it for one of 4 reasons.
1) They consider it a 'hardcore' thing to do and want to be really...'hardcore' I guess.
2) They like the inherent respect you receive from the average person you see on the street.
3) It tends to give you a great sense of self-confidence and self-worth (well, it can anyways).
4) They're IDIOTS
But for me, I will be leaving soon to pursue another career, and the fact that I was once a SSG is going to open a lot of doors for me. Also, just because I'm in the army doesn't mean I like what it's doing or has done.
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Sound like someone needs a hug.
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Aegraen, try and understand satire.
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On May 23 2009 23:00 iratepornstar wrote:Sound like someone needs a hug. You're smart, I like you.
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The army has done one thing for me exceptionally well
It stood the fuck out of my life so far.
edit: I guess you could say it kept other armies the fuck out as well =p
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
Wah Storyteller, you made the thread :3
Interesting thread, I'll continue reading and see what to prepare for the next two years...
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Sweden33719 Posts
On May 23 2009 22:05 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2009 21:45 VIB wrote:On May 23 2009 21:21 Aegraen wrote:On May 23 2009 21:19 Mah Buckit! wrote:On May 23 2009 19:22 Integra wrote:On May 23 2009 19:00 QuoC wrote:
they brainwash the fuck out of you when you first get there.
it's bootcamp like a mofo, strip you of your pride & dignity..
it's all for a good cause though. yes, to start wars and kill people you never met in strange countries you never been to before. And not forgetting that most of the people couldn´t even place those countries on the worldmap or give shit. That´s democracy for ya all ! Have to love the extreme bias and ignorance of some of the members here in regards to the military. "You guys have obviously biased opinions in regards to the military." - Active Military who admittedly is a huge fanboi of the army. Claims to be a high IQ army badass who could stand waterboarding no problem. But doesn't really think the army makes you an asshole. You know what is the different between Irony and Contradiction? Fun Fact: I'm not in the Army. Fun Fact: The long traditions and customs and courtesies of the US military is no way comparable to whatever Brazilian Military is accustomed to / has done. Fun Fact: Military life does not make you an asshole. You are either an asshole before you join or not. For most, (my family has a long heritage of military and law enforcement service), it mellows you out due to the experiences. Fun Fact: You should thank the military for the protection of the citizenry. We do the hard work so you can live the cush life. Show some respect.
So what you are saying is that you've ALWAYS been this annoying?
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What has the Army done for me?.. Tsk. Let's just say I am already counting down days until I get out and I still have 5 more years of this..
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Can't believe no ones said this yet... The Army's one of those places where you're going to find out just who you are. Everyone thinks that growing up teaches you this and that but you just don't get the situations you do in the Army.
I changed, for the better? Meh.
Also: Stop berating military members, we've always done whats asked but you're more than welcome to try your hand at it.
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I've servered a year and of course I gained some valuable things from it, but its still a year. You can accomplish a lot during one year if you put your mind into it.
I dont think the military improved my personal qualities enough to make it worth a whole year of staying out of school or whatever.
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On May 23 2009 22:05 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2009 21:45 VIB wrote:On May 23 2009 21:21 Aegraen wrote:On May 23 2009 21:19 Mah Buckit! wrote:On May 23 2009 19:22 Integra wrote:On May 23 2009 19:00 QuoC wrote:
they brainwash the fuck out of you when you first get there.
it's bootcamp like a mofo, strip you of your pride & dignity..
it's all for a good cause though. yes, to start wars and kill people you never met in strange countries you never been to before. And not forgetting that most of the people couldn´t even place those countries on the worldmap or give shit. That´s democracy for ya all ! Have to love the extreme bias and ignorance of some of the members here in regards to the military. "You guys have obviously biased opinions in regards to the military." - Active Military who admittedly is a huge fanboi of the army. Claims to be a high IQ army badass who could stand waterboarding no problem. But doesn't really think the army makes you an asshole. You know what is the different between Irony and Contradiction? Fun Fact: I'm not in the Army. Fun Fact: The long traditions and customs and courtesies of the US military is no way comparable to whatever Brazilian Military is accustomed to / has done. Fun Fact: Military life does not make you an asshole. You are either an asshole before you join or not. For most, (my family has a long heritage of military and law enforcement service), it mellows you out due to the experiences. Fun Fact: You should thank the military for the protection of the citizenry. We do the hard work so you can live the cush life. Show some respect.
Trust me, we have no obligation to respect you.
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On May 24 2009 02:39 Rotodyne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2009 22:05 Aegraen wrote:On May 23 2009 21:45 VIB wrote:On May 23 2009 21:21 Aegraen wrote:On May 23 2009 21:19 Mah Buckit! wrote:On May 23 2009 19:22 Integra wrote:On May 23 2009 19:00 QuoC wrote:
they brainwash the fuck out of you when you first get there.
it's bootcamp like a mofo, strip you of your pride & dignity..
it's all for a good cause though. yes, to start wars and kill people you never met in strange countries you never been to before. And not forgetting that most of the people couldn´t even place those countries on the worldmap or give shit. That´s democracy for ya all ! Have to love the extreme bias and ignorance of some of the members here in regards to the military. "You guys have obviously biased opinions in regards to the military." - Active Military who admittedly is a huge fanboi of the army. Claims to be a high IQ army badass who could stand waterboarding no problem. But doesn't really think the army makes you an asshole. You know what is the different between Irony and Contradiction? Fun Fact: I'm not in the Army. Fun Fact: The long traditions and customs and courtesies of the US military is no way comparable to whatever Brazilian Military is accustomed to / has done. Fun Fact: Military life does not make you an asshole. You are either an asshole before you join or not. For most, (my family has a long heritage of military and law enforcement service), it mellows you out due to the experiences. Fun Fact: You should thank the military for the protection of the citizenry. We do the hard work so you can live the cush life. Show some respect. Trust me, we have no obligation to respect you.
You don't have to respect me, but you sure as shit better respect the Military. Nothing irks me more than those who take everything they have for granted.
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On May 23 2009 20:10 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2009 19:00 KaasZerg wrote:
From the generation of people who were conscripted I hear they got bored to death. Sentry, waiting for transport. waiting for this and that. A lot of redundant cleaning, digging holes etc. The only upside was meeting people from all walks of life. Most learned absolutely nothing except some getting their driving licence.
Now the army is fully professional. To be frank the people joining the army now are rejects from the jobmarket who couldn't make it into the police-academy or a commercial business.
Your militairy skills are useless in civilian life so out of the army into unemployment. Maybe you can become a bouncer.
If your smart you might land a qualification for mechanic or electronics. Otherwise its a complete wate of time.
I know of a luitenant who became a floormanager/supervisor in a callcentre. It was the best he could do. He is depressed as hell. Pure load of asshattery. I'm a shoe-in once I get out for most any intelligence job (whether it be governmental or contractual (private firms)), and thats just my rating. If you're an ET, IT, FT, etc. you're a shoe-in for any electrical, informations system (Cisco, C++, etc.), etc job. If you're a MK, BM, DC, etc. you are a shoe-in for all sorts of waterways jobs, such as: Captain of commercial vessels, mechanics, waterway management, etc. If you are an AMT, or AET you can go to work for any commercial, private, etc. airline company fixing their aircraft. All these jobs pay extremely well. Secondly, it's equally absurd to call everyone in the military 'dumb' and 'bottom of the barrel'. Maybe in NL it's like that, but here in the US just in my shop (which is ~20 people), 85% of us have our BS all ready and the rest are working towards theirs. In my boot camp company I had the 7th highest ASVAB (This test is pretty absurdly easy), at 96% percentile and the guys above me were extremely smart (Just to give you a little glimpse, the one time I took a proctored IQ test I scored 134). Lastly, in order to be an officer in the US military, you must have at least a BS. So, while your LT was doing some abysmal job, our officers when they get out actually have a degree they can use. Stunning, yes I know....
No matter his qualification, I wouldn't give a lot of credit of someone who would wish being part of an army. That's probably a question of personnal values, though. I have noticed in another topic that we didn't share the same ideas.
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On May 23 2009 22:05 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2009 21:45 VIB wrote:On May 23 2009 21:21 Aegraen wrote:On May 23 2009 21:19 Mah Buckit! wrote:On May 23 2009 19:22 Integra wrote:On May 23 2009 19:00 QuoC wrote:
they brainwash the fuck out of you when you first get there.
it's bootcamp like a mofo, strip you of your pride & dignity..
it's all for a good cause though. yes, to start wars and kill people you never met in strange countries you never been to before. And not forgetting that most of the people couldn´t even place those countries on the worldmap or give shit. That´s democracy for ya all ! Have to love the extreme bias and ignorance of some of the members here in regards to the military. "You guys have obviously biased opinions in regards to the military." - Active Military who admittedly is a huge fanboi of the army. Claims to be a high IQ army badass who could stand waterboarding no problem. But doesn't really think the army makes you an asshole. You know what is the different between Irony and Contradiction? Fun Fact: I'm not in the Army. Fun Fact: The long traditions and customs and courtesies of the US military is no way comparable to whatever Brazilian Military is accustomed to / has done. Fun Fact: Military life does not make you an asshole. You are either an asshole before you join or not. For most, (my family has a long heritage of military and law enforcement service), it mellows you out due to the experiences. Fun Fact: You should thank the military for the protection of the citizenry. We do the hard work so you can live the cush life. Show some respect.
Fun Fact: your army doesn't help your citizens. It rather invade country for the private interest of your corrupted governement, and the messianic pseudo-fascist ideology of the idiot you had as a president for eight years.
Fun Fact: Therefore I don't show any respect for US soldiers.
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Pros: The military has the lowest entrance requirements for any organization in the world, minus prison. It allows inadequate people with medieval mindsets to pursue delusions of being a "warrior". If you join (in the US), many people will think you did it for an honorable reason like protecting people, not because you preferred war in the middle east to becoming a janitor. It can pay for college.
On May 24 2009 02:44 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2009 02:39 Rotodyne wrote:On May 23 2009 22:05 Aegraen wrote:On May 23 2009 21:45 VIB wrote:On May 23 2009 21:21 Aegraen wrote:On May 23 2009 21:19 Mah Buckit! wrote:On May 23 2009 19:22 Integra wrote:On May 23 2009 19:00 QuoC wrote:
they brainwash the fuck out of you when you first get there.
it's bootcamp like a mofo, strip you of your pride & dignity..
it's all for a good cause though. yes, to start wars and kill people you never met in strange countries you never been to before. And not forgetting that most of the people couldn´t even place those countries on the worldmap or give shit. That´s democracy for ya all ! Have to love the extreme bias and ignorance of some of the members here in regards to the military. "You guys have obviously biased opinions in regards to the military." - Active Military who admittedly is a huge fanboi of the army. Claims to be a high IQ army badass who could stand waterboarding no problem. But doesn't really think the army makes you an asshole. You know what is the different between Irony and Contradiction? Fun Fact: I'm not in the Army. Fun Fact: The long traditions and customs and courtesies of the US military is no way comparable to whatever Brazilian Military is accustomed to / has done. Fun Fact: Military life does not make you an asshole. You are either an asshole before you join or not. For most, (my family has a long heritage of military and law enforcement service), it mellows you out due to the experiences. Fun Fact: You should thank the military for the protection of the citizenry. We do the hard work so you can live the cush life. Show some respect. Trust me, we have no obligation to respect you. You don't have to respect me, but you sure as shit better respect the Military. Nothing irks me more than those who take everything they have for granted.
What for? Removing themselves from society, I suppose.
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Are you the same "Storyteller" from gotfrag.com who was supposedly killed in a car crash?
Anyway, on topic, my grandma was active in the marine corps during WW2, she was an orphan and it really provided a "family" for her in her unit, she also met her husband during her service. Ultimately, it depends on your situation outside of the military if it really helps you in a profound way.
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