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MrHoon
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KaasZerg
Netherlands927 Posts
Now the army is fully professional. To be frank the people joining the army now are rejects from the jobmarket who couldn't make it into the police-academy or a commercial business. Your militairy skills are useless in civilian life so out of the army into unemployment. Maybe you can become a bouncer. If your smart you might land a qualification for mechanic or electronics. Otherwise its a complete wate of time. I know of a luitenant who became a floormanager/supervisor in a callcentre. It was the best he could do. He is depressed as hell. | ||
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QuoC
United States724 Posts
it's bootcamp like a mofo, strip you of your pride & dignity.. it's all for a good cause though. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On May 23 2009 19:00 QuoC wrote: they brainwash the fuck out of you when you first get there. it's bootcamp like a mofo, strip you of your pride & dignity.. it's all for a good cause though. yes, to start wars and kill people you never met in strange countries you never been to before. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
I did civil instead of military service and I guess I learned how hard it is for old, disabled or dying people. Certainly a lecture for life. | ||
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Sky
Jordan812 Posts
One of the them is already well disciplined and quite assertive in what he does and as a result he's heading the ROTC route before deployment. The other three have a somewhat of a procrastination habit, and a pretty care-free attitude (all three of these guys went to Iraq). When they got home they did seem a bit mellow and a bit more ambitious. The problem is that this faded within a few months, and now they're back to their old habits. From my experience of these four, I'd say that some need that recurring feeling of being ordered around in order to stick with a somewhat new habitual lifestyle (this could be the purpose for drill), whereas some don't. Now they have only been in the guard for a few years. My uncle, on the other hand, had spent many years in the Navy, and as such I can see a lot of it in his daily routines. They all have expressed how their is a lot of biases that rub off on them. Before they went, they became pretty racist towards people of the middle-east. When they got back, however, their whole view of the people became a lot more "open-minded". Definitely a plus overall in my book. Contrary to my what my location says, this is a story about U.S. National Guard soldiers. | ||
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garmule2
United States376 Posts
This is my only experience with the military and scares the hell out of me. I would rather not have everything good in me beaten out. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
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kemoryan
Spain1506 Posts
On May 23 2009 19:22 Integra wrote: yes, to start wars and kill people you never met in strange countries you never been to before. I lol'd. Good one. | ||
BroOd
Austin10831 Posts
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On May 23 2009 19:00 KaasZerg wrote: From the generation of people who were conscripted I hear they got bored to death. Sentry, waiting for transport. waiting for this and that. A lot of redundant cleaning, digging holes etc. The only upside was meeting people from all walks of life. Most learned absolutely nothing except some getting their driving licence. Now the army is fully professional. To be frank the people joining the army now are rejects from the jobmarket who couldn't make it into the police-academy or a commercial business. Your militairy skills are useless in civilian life so out of the army into unemployment. Maybe you can become a bouncer. If your smart you might land a qualification for mechanic or electronics. Otherwise its a complete wate of time. I know of a luitenant who became a floormanager/supervisor in a callcentre. It was the best he could do. He is depressed as hell. Pure load of asshattery. I'm a shoe-in once I get out for most any intelligence job (whether it be governmental or contractual (private firms)), and thats just my rating. If you're an ET, IT, FT, etc. you're a shoe-in for any electrical, informations system (Cisco, C++, etc.), etc job. If you're a MK, BM, DC, etc. you are a shoe-in for all sorts of waterways jobs, such as: Captain of commercial vessels, mechanics, waterway management, etc. If you are an AMT, or AET you can go to work for any commercial, private, etc. airline company fixing their aircraft. All these jobs pay extremely well. Secondly, it's equally absurd to call everyone in the military 'dumb' and 'bottom of the barrel'. Maybe in NL it's like that, but here in the US just in my shop (which is ~20 people), 85% of us have our BS all ready and the rest are working towards theirs. In my boot camp company I had the 7th highest ASVAB (This test is pretty absurdly easy), at 96% percentile and the guys above me were extremely smart (Just to give you a little glimpse, the one time I took a proctored IQ test I scored 134). Lastly, in order to be an officer in the US military, you must have at least a BS. So, while your LT was doing some abysmal job, our officers when they get out actually have a degree they can use. Stunning, yes I know.... | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
On May 23 2009 17:31 The Storyteller wrote: Thus far it seems like the only one trying to turn this into a "flamewar" is you. There is no reason why it should be one - if you've been in the military, I'd like to hear whether you felt it was good for you and why. If you haven't been in the military, go surf round the girlfriend thread or something. On May 23 2009 17:50 BroOd wrote: I haven't been in the army, but if you're suggesting that everyone who has is some sort of sheep, then yes you should have been sleeping a long time ago. Sorry, for a second I forgot this is an international forum, and that military hate isn't as common outside of a country with the same background of mine. Honestly, I really forgot that. So you wanna know what the army has done for me? OK, I'll tell you what the army has done for me: - Took over power by force - Destroyed our democracy with the martial support of the US army and CIA - Implemented Dictorship for 2 decades during which, they: - Arrested my Grandfather for "being a jew" - Exiled the revolutionist who I was named after. Hello, my name is Vandré - Killed, arrested and tortured thousands of fellow brazilians - Implemented heavy media censorship - Stalled cultural, economic and political development So I pretty much think the main thing you 'learn' from being in the army is to never, under any circumstance, have an opinion. Their goal is to turn you into an ideal brainwashed sheep who follow their orders without questioning if it's actually the right thing to do. Yes. Thanks for asking. | ||
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
I would recommend everyone to join at least for 4 years. To those saying 'schooling' will teach you the things that you get taught in the military....that is absurd. Kids these days have no clue, they go to college, parents paying the way, party all the time slack off, no repercussions. We have a little thing we like to call the UCMJ. First time on that green mat getting masted infront of the Captain will scare the shit out of you. Nothing like it anywhere else. | ||
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kefkalives
Australia1272 Posts
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On May 23 2009 21:07 kefkalives wrote: My experience in the army made me able to withstand torture such as waterboarding, because of the strength of will i had to develop to deal with everyday life whilst in the army. ... ... You need to work on your sarcasm there boy. I give it a 4/10. | ||
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Mah Buckit!
Finland474 Posts
Of course it may seem that you have changed and matured or whatever but for most part it´s because of the psychological things people are being manipulated there for example groupsuggestion. IMO. I´ll know more next year. | ||
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Mah Buckit!
Finland474 Posts
On May 23 2009 19:22 Integra wrote: yes, to start wars and kill people you never met in strange countries you never been to before. And not forgetting that most of the people couldn´t even place those countries on the worldmap or give shit. That´s democracy for ya all ! | ||
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On May 23 2009 21:19 Mah Buckit! wrote: And not forgetting that most of the people couldn´t even place those countries on the worldmap or give shit. That´s democracy for ya all ! Yeah...like the general populace can even tell you what continent the US is on. Give me a break. Have to love the extreme bias and ignorance of some of the members here in regards to the military. | ||
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SnowFantasy
4173 Posts
On May 23 2009 21:08 Aegraen wrote: You need to work on your sarcasm there boy. I give it a 4/10. ? he's pretty serious. he was just pointing out his routine is a bit more stressful than most people's. it allows him to withstand more than other people can. | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
On May 23 2009 21:21 Aegraen wrote: "You guys have obviously biased opinions in regards to the military."Have to love the extreme bias and ignorance of some of the members here in regards to the military. - Active Military who admittedly is a huge fanboi of the army. Claims to be a high IQ army badass who could stand waterboarding no problem. But doesn't really think the army makes you an asshole. You know what is the different between Irony and Contradiction? | ||
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