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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
February 13 2009 19:54 GMT
#21
Different cultures/natural instincts/pc
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BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
February 13 2009 19:56 GMT
#22
This article mentions it, and it seems a plausible enough.

Personal theory: generalization saves time. People tend to extrapolate. Therefore, people will tend to overgeneralize.

Personal theory 2: Race is a genetic indicator. Selfish gene theory dictates that we will prefer individuals who appear to share more genes with us.
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ktp
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States797 Posts
February 13 2009 20:00 GMT
#23
One of the reasons racism exists is because people like to life in their own bubble. They refuse to acknowledge that there is a giant world outside of themselves that do not share the same ideals as them. People are also fearful of confronting anything different. When you place a human being in a new situtation or environment, more often or not instead of doing the right or wrong thing, they will do what is most comfortable for them, and racist stereotypes is big factor in keeping people in their comfort zone.

The stereotypes originate from society, we create them, and people start filling in the roles. Yes, there is some truth in stereotypes, but I think that half of those that exhibit stereotypical behavior only do so because they have been programmed to do so.


hazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom570 Posts
February 13 2009 20:01 GMT
#24
fear what we don't know, easy to criticise/victimise/blame them
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-13 20:04:09
February 13 2009 20:02 GMT
#25
Racism stems from the fact that cultures tend to promote intracultural expressions of self, which leads to people spending time within their cultural sphere. That time spent within is not time spent without, and forms a cultural identity of belonging, which in turn forms cultural barriers of non-belonging towards people who are not within said culture. This amplifies itself over time and without substantial effort, cultural frictions promote a struggle which in the case of the american situation was divided along lines of race, which them termed the cultural frictions and classifications as racism, ignoring the real cause of the issue.

That the cultural divide caused an entire caste system to come into being is not novel; there are caste systems across the world in various cultures, some of which still exist today.

Essentially you need to ask evolutionary questions: How can a culture promote itself? How can a culture disseminate itself? How does a culture interact with other cultures? And apply those to the situations at hand. The answers in and of themselves give you a nearly complete picture of most ideological frictions and conceptual workings.
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SmoKing2012
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States385 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-13 20:05:47
February 13 2009 20:05 GMT
#26
Because the human mind is programmed to identify patterns.
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Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7290 Posts
February 13 2009 20:06 GMT
#27
its an obvious difference and lends to the "us" vs "them" thing.

Its similar to how fat people are made fun of...its just easy to pick out.

Personally being "white" i think white people suck and are uninteresting...... DIVERSITY FTW.
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0xDEADBEEF
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-13 20:15:21
February 13 2009 20:12 GMT
#28
A mix of xenophobia and arrogance. Human nature. Present in all countries, but our modern culture made us very tolerant, so it's not really a big issue anymore. USA even has a black president now. But we're not 100% tolerant. You still see tons of people from USA or other countries making fun of niggers, fatasses or fags (I chose these words on purpose), whether "just for fun" or not. Fun of anything that's noticeably different. So it's always present. People like to think of themselves as superior whenever they can, and the result is discrimination, and even in non-serious cases the victims will probably feel it.
Kennelie
Profile Joined December 2007
United States2296 Posts
February 13 2009 20:17 GMT
#29
LOL at the first page's replies. This thread might turn ugly. Most of my opinions have already been stated by previous posters. Although I don't judge nobody by there skin color.
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ffswowsucks
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Greece2297 Posts
February 13 2009 20:24 GMT
#30
On February 14 2009 03:51 Fontong wrote:
Having lived in a community that was about half asian and half white, I think it is simply due to the differences between cultures. As long as cultures are different there is never going to be a complete lack of racism in society. Obviously there is a trade off to be made here--I don't think anyone wants a completely homogeneous society. I would say that the younger generations of Californias, at least, are really not racist in any extreme ways. This does not mean that they aren't racist, I think every is to a small extent. When you are sitting with your asian friends and see the white guy dating the horse-faced asian girl and thinking he's the shit, what do you think? I know my friends would think that white people just can't tell whether or not asians look good.

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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
February 13 2009 20:24 GMT
#31
On February 14 2009 05:06 Sadist wrote:
its an obvious difference and lends to the "us" vs "them" thing.

Its similar to how fat people are made fun of...its just easy to pick out.

Personally being "white" i think white people suck and are uninteresting...... DIVERSITY FTW.
Strange, I'm White but think the exact opposite!
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Meta
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States6225 Posts
February 13 2009 20:27 GMT
#32
I think racism is a product of nurture, in the fact that anybody can be taught as a child to be racist against anybody else, but it might also have something to do with the natural fear of the unfamiliar. Imagine an underdeveloped tribe in South America, never having seen anybody outside themselves for as long as anybody can remember, and all of a sudden a team of European or American scientists come into contact with them. I think it would be natural for them to be a little apprehensive. Now imagine if those scientists were actually slave traders and enslaved the whole tribe... It's assuredly a build-up of scenarios like that over many years that leads one to be racist, and subsequently teach their children to be racist.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
February 13 2009 20:33 GMT
#33
A lot of people are so afraid of being racist these days that they do the opposite of discrimination-praising and raising minorities whenever they can, making facebook groups to justify things like affirmative action "to atone" for "their" crimes. Of course, as soon as such action requires a personal sacrifice on their own behalf, people begin to get antsy. <cough.>

the best part is i still get called chink on a routine basis by these very same "i have a black friend, i'm not racist" people.

although its apparently to use derogatory terms for white people these days. Like hoagie and crackalackin'
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17399 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-13 20:36:33
February 13 2009 20:34 GMT
#34
On February 14 2009 04:25 KissBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2009 04:00 Manit0u wrote:

It's worthy of note that racism is almost non-existent among well educated people (ie. who have a degree) since it relies heavily upon superstition and discrimination.




I think this is true to some extent. However, some of the most racist acts in history were created by the educated elites. I think that perpetuating it relies heavily upon superstition and discrimination but I think the causes and roots are significantly deeper than that.


Name some of them (Adolf Hitler wasn't educated for example, he didn't even graduate from highschool).
I know there are people who are both educated and racist but they're in such minority that it can be classified as 'statistical mistake'.
Also note that even if educated person is racist and gathers some fans/followers they're usually not educated.

Edit:
Another thing is that educated people may pretend to be racist or something just to use it as the lever in some personal gains.
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iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
February 13 2009 20:37 GMT
#35
No different from any other form of hate. It will not disappear until there is only one race left.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 13 2009 20:38 GMT
#36
more interestingly, why do you think the educated are less averse to racism, at least openly. are enlightenment ideals of equality and rationality uniquely positioned to support a racially diverse metropolitanism, or is that just a convenient story.
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RamenStyle
Profile Joined September 2004
United States1929 Posts
February 13 2009 20:42 GMT
#37
Ignorance, stupidness, narrow mindedness, personal trauma, lack of personality, insecurity, limited experience that result in only bad memories with other races/cultures, etc.

For example, if it were just from my personal experience, I would fucking hate Colombians. All the experience I have with them is them being rude at fast food restaurants, filling my citys park with pseudo-gangster crap and hearing only bad stories around my bloc involving them. However, I also happen to try to think and end up with the following reason: there are shitheads that even their own country didn't want, they are fucking garbage, it doesn't mean every Colombian guy is a dick. It would be unfair to catalog every Colombian citizen in the same category as this pieces of shit.

Now, if you just say: "ok, every Colombian I have ever met is a dickhead, so this must be how they are all in reality, fucking 3rd world savages. I feel like hating them all'. Now, gather a bunch of guys that think like this. Shave their heads. Put some military boots on them. Now you have a nice party.
Zelc
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
129 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-13 20:48:13
February 13 2009 20:45 GMT
#38
Well, affirmative action might not be atoning for past racism, but rather to correct for the subtle effects of current racist stereotyping. Unfortunately, I don't remember the citation, but there was a study that looked at returns on betting on baseball teams over a long period of time. The study found that the expected return of betting on a team with lots of black people is significantly higher than betting on a team with very few black people (the expected return of a $1 bet for both were below $1, of course, and the difference was like the high/mid 90's versus the mid/low 90's). There are many other examples of racism, like the rent minorities get quoted. Thus, affirmative action may simply be an attempt to correct for the subtle negative perception and evaluation of minorities.

One reason racism (and nationalism etc. etc.) exist is because of people's tendency to split themselves into groups and hate other groups. Take, for instance, the Robber's Cave experiment. Here's the wiki entry, and here's another recounting on a spirituality website (I assume the recounting at least is accurate and it doesn't look like the spirituality stuff is in the account). Two groups of well-adjusted boys are split into two groups on a wilderness retreat. At first, they don't know of each other, and they develop their own cultures. When they were brought in contact with each other, fierce hostility ensued. Even minor differences were emphasized and used as ways to distinguish between the members of the groups. Fortunately, the Robber's Cave experiment also showed a potential way to resolve such conflicts.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-13 20:47:41
February 13 2009 20:45 GMT
#39
On February 14 2009 05:34 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2009 04:25 KissBlade wrote:
On February 14 2009 04:00 Manit0u wrote:

It's worthy of note that racism is almost non-existent among well educated people (ie. who have a degree) since it relies heavily upon superstition and discrimination.




I think this is true to some extent. However, some of the most racist acts in history were created by the educated elites. I think that perpetuating it relies heavily upon superstition and discrimination but I think the causes and roots are significantly deeper than that.


Name some of them (Adolf Hitler wasn't educated for example, he didn't even graduate from highschool).
I know there are people who are both educated and racist but they're in such minority that it can be classified as 'statistical mistake'.
Also note that even if educated person is racist and gathers some fans/followers they're usually not educated.

Edit:
Another thing is that educated people may pretend to be racist or something just to use it as the lever in some personal gains.
Uh.. do you want big names (Woodrow Wilson) or just large bodies of people? Within just US history, Southern Democrats, 19th century Northern elites, the CIA during much of the 20th century, the entire state congress of Indiana for a while, etc. It becomes even more obvious when you start looking at European history.

These are not outliers. You're drastically oversimplifying the issue by ignoring every other part of society and history. There is no broad universal rule to it.
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food
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1951 Posts
February 13 2009 20:47 GMT
#40
On February 14 2009 03:59 Klive5ive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2009 03:41 KissBlade wrote:
In my opinion, racism exists just as heavily because in effect, we are still dealing with the same causes of racism; appearance, language and limited resources.

I think you've missed the main reason for racism; people don't like differing ideals. Whether it be differing religions, laws or cultural aspects.
People like to stick with those they consider similar to themselves. Possibly it's part of our genetics to group with like minded individuals.


Show nested quote +
On February 14 2009 03:41 KissBlade wrote:
Appearances and language are essentially groups we are able to identify ourselves under, so it will constantly be one of the causes of "us" and "them". Limited resources is obvious given our current economy, not only is it tempting to blame others for stealing our resources (see constant politicians blame outsourcing as problems of people stealing jobs from Americans) but along with religion, it has been the biggest cause of wars between nations.

Hmm limited resources is a factor, but I don't think it plays on the mind of most racists because they just tend to be idiots. They might use it as an excuse to incite hatred but it's not the overwhelming factor.

As to your question, I do think racism is on the decline. We've still got a long way to go but hopefully better understanding and a shifting moral zeitgeist will eventually lead us to a point where racism will no longer be an issue.



hah
that's not racism my friend. Actually you are the one who missed the main concept of racism, not even talking about the reasoning
racism has a pretty narrow meaning
it definitely refers to physical appearance in the first place, then the cultural differences
different ideals? that is so watery, it doesn't even mean anything
we all have different ideals
also nationalism and racism are two completely different animals, but that's another story
Can someone ban this guy please? FA?
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