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Looking at the Brood War forums here, it's obvious that most people on here wishes the language barrier doesn't exist between the US and S. Korea. That said, there's also a good deal of fan base respect IMO between both cultures. Oddly enough, in Starcraft, we seem to be united and it stops mattering if Boxer, Savior, etc is yellow. So I was curious to hear educated or at least civilized opinions on why you think racism is still prevalent and whether it's on the decline or rise. You could be posting about your experience, your country, or just stuff you see on the net.
In my opinion, racism exists just as heavily because in effect, we are still dealing with the same causes of racism; appearance, language and limited resources.
Appearances and language are essentially groups we are able to identify ourselves under, so it will constantly be one of the causes of "us" and "them". Limited resources is obvious given our current economy, not only is it tempting to blame others for stealing our resources (see constant politicians blame outsourcing as problems of people stealing jobs from Americans) but along with religion, it has been the biggest cause of wars between nations.
So anyway, there's my thoughts, interested in hearing yours. Again, please keep things civilized, ignore flames, trolls, etc, allow people their right to their own opinions and hopefully we can get a clean thread on a touchy topic.
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Because other cultures are weird
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Having lived in a community that was about half asian and half white, I think it is simply due to the differences between cultures. As long as cultures are different there is never going to be a complete lack of racism in society. Obviously there is a trade off to be made here--I don't think anyone wants a completely homogeneous society. I would say that the younger generations of Californias, at least, are really not racist in any extreme ways. This does not mean that they aren't racist, I think every is to a small extent. When you are sitting with your asian friends and see the white guy dating the horse-faced asian girl and thinking he's the shit, what do you think? I know my friends would think that white people just can't tell whether or not asians look good.
More to come after I get back from class.
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On February 14 2009 03:51 Flaccid wrote:
And Americans are stupid
So stupid that Canadian franchises can't win the Cup in their own sport! MORAN~~
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Real answer: You fear what you don't know, and it's easy to scapegoat. Whoopie
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On February 14 2009 03:41 KissBlade wrote:
In my opinion, racism exists just as heavily because in effect, we are still dealing with the same causes of racism; appearance, language and limited resources.
I think you've missed the main reason for racism; people don't like differing ideals. Whether it be differing religions, laws or cultural aspects.
People like to stick with those they consider similar to themselves. Possibly it's part of our genetics to group with like minded individuals.
On February 14 2009 03:41 KissBlade wrote:
Appearances and language are essentially groups we are able to identify ourselves under, so it will constantly be one of the causes of "us" and "them". Limited resources is obvious given our current economy, not only is it tempting to blame others for stealing our resources (see constant politicians blame outsourcing as problems of people stealing jobs from Americans) but along with religion, it has been the biggest cause of wars between nations.
Hmm limited resources is a factor, but I don't think it plays on the mind of most racists because they just tend to be idiots. They might use it as an excuse to incite hatred but it's not the overwhelming factor.
As to your question, I do think racism is on the decline. We've still got a long way to go but hopefully better understanding and a shifting moral zeitgeist will eventually lead us to a point where racism will no longer be an issue.
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In my opinion it exists because some races are inferior to others.
[/unnecessary sarcasm]
It exists because some people (usually people that fail at life) need a target to blame/vent their frustration. The easiest target is anything that stands out/is different than themselves.
It's worthy of note that racism is almost non-existent among well educated people (ie. who have a degree) since it relies heavily upon superstition and discrimination.
It is a very deep subject and I've got an exam including this stuff tomorrow morning so I don't really have time to write it all down. I can however point you towards some reading/subjects that might add to this discussion:
Keywords:
ethnic stratification
race and nationality
superstition and discrimination
ethnic discrimination in America
To just get a general idea on the subject I suggest checking one of the chapters in Sociology. Concept and uses. by Jonathan H. Turner. Chapter 8: Inequalities: Class, ethnic and sex.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Fear of different things. And flaccid be spamming this thread lol.
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KissBlade wrote:
On January 17 2009 05:21 Klive5ive fails: I can only speak for the UK where Chinese are treated really well. I fucking love Chinese food, and it's currently the nations favourite food. I'm pretty sure we treat Chinese better than China does.
Aww you quoted one of my favourite posts.
Although it's clearly epic win.
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My understanding of racism
There are two different kinds of racism
1st is racism with an objective. People in power wants to achieved something morally impermissible, (for example: staying rich and in power by enslaving) so they makes up a set of carefully designed notions of whichever group of people is in their way of achieving their goal. These notions labels whatever group. After the people in power spread the words of these designed notions to masses of people, they will have the excuses ( or justifications) to do what was consider not permissible in history (example: Hilter + jews)
2nd racism is due to lack of knowledge, critical thinking and understanding of people. People who belief what they were told, they believe without question, they just rolls over when someone tells them something. (for example: people of USA believing the U.S. government protects their rights, owned by Japanese concentration camp 1942, ya that is extreme racism comming from US government against Japanese US Citizens)
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Racism exists because of stereotypes. Stereotypes have some truth to them. We stereotype because of the way the human brain stores information. While outright racist public statements are somewhat less prevalent in the United States because they are politically incorrect now I don't think the amount of racism has changed or likely will in the near future.
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On February 14 2009 04:03 Klive5ive wrote:
Aww you quoted one of my favourite posts.
Although it's clearly epic win.
Yeah, but I don't think I dislike you enough to keep it up. Going to edit it now. =) It was just one of those facepalm sort of posts you really had to boggle over.
On February 14 2009 04:00 Manit0u wrote:
It's worthy of note that racism is almost non-existent among well educated people (ie. who have a degree) since it relies heavily upon superstition and discrimination.
I think this is true to some extent. However, some of the most racist acts in history were created by the educated elites. I think that perpetuating it relies heavily upon superstition and discrimination but I think the causes and roots are significantly deeper than that.
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its an easy way to feel superior, will exist as long as races exist
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Because people think their superior to others.
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United States22883 Posts
While I'm not promoting racism, I do think it's natural and unavoidable, but we should be cognizant of it because it can be a slippery slope. There's overt racism (which still exists), but there's also much subtler racism that will never go away. Humans categorize things subconsciously and in doing so, especially with different cultures or the unfamiliar, it changes our behavior. Whether they mean to or not, dominant groups are always going to impose social pressures on other groups.
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