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Looking at the Brood War forums here, it's obvious that most people on here wishes the language barrier doesn't exist between the US and S. Korea. That said, there's also a good deal of fan base respect IMO between both cultures. Oddly enough, in Starcraft, we seem to be united and it stops mattering if Boxer, Savior, etc is yellow. So I was curious to hear educated or at least civilized opinions on why you think racism is still prevalent and whether it's on the decline or rise. You could be posting about your experience, your country, or just stuff you see on the net.
In my opinion, racism exists just as heavily because in effect, we are still dealing with the same causes of racism; appearance, language and limited resources.
Appearances and language are essentially groups we are able to identify ourselves under, so it will constantly be one of the causes of "us" and "them". Limited resources is obvious given our current economy, not only is it tempting to blame others for stealing our resources (see constant politicians blame outsourcing as problems of people stealing jobs from Americans) but along with religion, it has been the biggest cause of wars between nations.
So anyway, there's my thoughts, interested in hearing yours. Again, please keep things civilized, ignore flames, trolls, etc, allow people their right to their own opinions and hopefully we can get a clean thread on a touchy topic.
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Because other cultures are weird
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Having lived in a community that was about half asian and half white, I think it is simply due to the differences between cultures. As long as cultures are different there is never going to be a complete lack of racism in society. Obviously there is a trade off to be made here--I don't think anyone wants a completely homogeneous society. I would say that the younger generations of Californias, at least, are really not racist in any extreme ways. This does not mean that they aren't racist, I think every is to a small extent. When you are sitting with your asian friends and see the white guy dating the horse-faced asian girl and thinking he's the shit, what do you think? I know my friends would think that white people just can't tell whether or not asians look good.
More to come after I get back from class.
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On February 14 2009 03:51 Flaccid wrote:
And Americans are stupid
So stupid that Canadian franchises can't win the Cup in their own sport! MORAN~~
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Real answer: You fear what you don't know, and it's easy to scapegoat. Whoopie
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On February 14 2009 03:41 KissBlade wrote:
In my opinion, racism exists just as heavily because in effect, we are still dealing with the same causes of racism; appearance, language and limited resources.
I think you've missed the main reason for racism; people don't like differing ideals. Whether it be differing religions, laws or cultural aspects.
People like to stick with those they consider similar to themselves. Possibly it's part of our genetics to group with like minded individuals.
On February 14 2009 03:41 KissBlade wrote:
Appearances and language are essentially groups we are able to identify ourselves under, so it will constantly be one of the causes of "us" and "them". Limited resources is obvious given our current economy, not only is it tempting to blame others for stealing our resources (see constant politicians blame outsourcing as problems of people stealing jobs from Americans) but along with religion, it has been the biggest cause of wars between nations.
Hmm limited resources is a factor, but I don't think it plays on the mind of most racists because they just tend to be idiots. They might use it as an excuse to incite hatred but it's not the overwhelming factor.
As to your question, I do think racism is on the decline. We've still got a long way to go but hopefully better understanding and a shifting moral zeitgeist will eventually lead us to a point where racism will no longer be an issue.
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In my opinion it exists because some races are inferior to others.
[/unnecessary sarcasm]
It exists because some people (usually people that fail at life) need a target to blame/vent their frustration. The easiest target is anything that stands out/is different than themselves.
It's worthy of note that racism is almost non-existent among well educated people (ie. who have a degree) since it relies heavily upon superstition and discrimination.
It is a very deep subject and I've got an exam including this stuff tomorrow morning so I don't really have time to write it all down. I can however point you towards some reading/subjects that might add to this discussion:
Keywords:
ethnic stratification
race and nationality
superstition and discrimination
ethnic discrimination in America
To just get a general idea on the subject I suggest checking one of the chapters in Sociology. Concept and uses. by Jonathan H. Turner. Chapter 8: Inequalities: Class, ethnic and sex.
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Fear of different things. And flaccid be spamming this thread lol.
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KissBlade wrote:
On January 17 2009 05:21 Klive5ive fails: I can only speak for the UK where Chinese are treated really well. I fucking love Chinese food, and it's currently the nations favourite food. I'm pretty sure we treat Chinese better than China does.
Aww you quoted one of my favourite posts.
Although it's clearly epic win.
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My understanding of racism
There are two different kinds of racism
1st is racism with an objective. People in power wants to achieved something morally impermissible, (for example: staying rich and in power by enslaving) so they makes up a set of carefully designed notions of whichever group of people is in their way of achieving their goal. These notions labels whatever group. After the people in power spread the words of these designed notions to masses of people, they will have the excuses ( or justifications) to do what was consider not permissible in history (example: Hilter + jews)
2nd racism is due to lack of knowledge, critical thinking and understanding of people. People who belief what they were told, they believe without question, they just rolls over when someone tells them something. (for example: people of USA believing the U.S. government protects their rights, owned by Japanese concentration camp 1942, ya that is extreme racism comming from US government against Japanese US Citizens)
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Racism exists because of stereotypes. Stereotypes have some truth to them. We stereotype because of the way the human brain stores information. While outright racist public statements are somewhat less prevalent in the United States because they are politically incorrect now I don't think the amount of racism has changed or likely will in the near future.
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On February 14 2009 04:03 Klive5ive wrote:
Aww you quoted one of my favourite posts.
Although it's clearly epic win.
Yeah, but I don't think I dislike you enough to keep it up. Going to edit it now. =) It was just one of those facepalm sort of posts you really had to boggle over.
On February 14 2009 04:00 Manit0u wrote:
It's worthy of note that racism is almost non-existent among well educated people (ie. who have a degree) since it relies heavily upon superstition and discrimination.
I think this is true to some extent. However, some of the most racist acts in history were created by the educated elites. I think that perpetuating it relies heavily upon superstition and discrimination but I think the causes and roots are significantly deeper than that.
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its an easy way to feel superior, will exist as long as races exist
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Because people think their superior to others.
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While I'm not promoting racism, I do think it's natural and unavoidable, but we should be cognizant of it because it can be a slippery slope. There's overt racism (which still exists), but there's also much subtler racism that will never go away. Humans categorize things subconsciously and in doing so, especially with different cultures or the unfamiliar, it changes our behavior. Whether they mean to or not, dominant groups are always going to impose social pressures on other groups.
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Different cultures/natural instincts/pc
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This article mentions it, and it seems a plausible enough.
Personal theory: generalization saves time. People tend to extrapolate. Therefore, people will tend to overgeneralize.
Personal theory 2: Race is a genetic indicator. Selfish gene theory dictates that we will prefer individuals who appear to share more genes with us.
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One of the reasons racism exists is because people like to life in their own bubble. They refuse to acknowledge that there is a giant world outside of themselves that do not share the same ideals as them. People are also fearful of confronting anything different. When you place a human being in a new situtation or environment, more often or not instead of doing the right or wrong thing, they will do what is most comfortable for them, and racist stereotypes is big factor in keeping people in their comfort zone.
The stereotypes originate from society, we create them, and people start filling in the roles. Yes, there is some truth in stereotypes, but I think that half of those that exhibit stereotypical behavior only do so because they have been programmed to do so.
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fear what we don't know, easy to criticise/victimise/blame them
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Racism stems from the fact that cultures tend to promote intracultural expressions of self, which leads to people spending time within their cultural sphere. That time spent within is not time spent without, and forms a cultural identity of belonging, which in turn forms cultural barriers of non-belonging towards people who are not within said culture. This amplifies itself over time and without substantial effort, cultural frictions promote a struggle which in the case of the american situation was divided along lines of race, which them termed the cultural frictions and classifications as racism, ignoring the real cause of the issue.
That the cultural divide caused an entire caste system to come into being is not novel; there are caste systems across the world in various cultures, some of which still exist today.
Essentially you need to ask evolutionary questions: How can a culture promote itself? How can a culture disseminate itself? How does a culture interact with other cultures? And apply those to the situations at hand. The answers in and of themselves give you a nearly complete picture of most ideological frictions and conceptual workings.
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Because the human mind is programmed to identify patterns.
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its an obvious difference and lends to the "us" vs "them" thing.
Its similar to how fat people are made fun of...its just easy to pick out.
Personally being "white" i think white people suck and are uninteresting...... DIVERSITY FTW.
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A mix of xenophobia and arrogance. Human nature. Present in all countries, but our modern culture made us very tolerant, so it's not really a big issue anymore. USA even has a black president now. But we're not 100% tolerant. You still see tons of people from USA or other countries making fun of niggers, fatasses or fags (I chose these words on purpose), whether "just for fun" or not. Fun of anything that's noticeably different. So it's always present. People like to think of themselves as superior whenever they can, and the result is discrimination, and even in non-serious cases the victims will probably feel it.
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LOL at the first page's replies. This thread might turn ugly. Most of my opinions have already been stated by previous posters. Although I don't judge nobody by there skin color.
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On February 14 2009 03:51 Fontong wrote:
Having lived in a community that was about half asian and half white, I think it is simply due to the differences between cultures. As long as cultures are different there is never going to be a complete lack of racism in society. Obviously there is a trade off to be made here--I don't think anyone wants a completely homogeneous society. I would say that the younger generations of Californias, at least, are really not racist in any extreme ways. This does not mean that they aren't racist, I think every is to a small extent. When you are sitting with your asian friends and see the white guy dating the horse-faced asian girl and thinking he's the shit, what do you think? I know my friends would think that white people just can't tell whether or not asians look good.
More to come after I get back from class.
Watch Gran Torino with Clint Eastwood.
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On February 14 2009 05:06 Sadist wrote:
its an obvious difference and lends to the "us" vs "them" thing.
Its similar to how fat people are made fun of...its just easy to pick out.
Personally being "white" i think white people suck and are uninteresting...... DIVERSITY FTW. Strange, I'm White but think the exact opposite!
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I think racism is a product of nurture, in the fact that anybody can be taught as a child to be racist against anybody else, but it might also have something to do with the natural fear of the unfamiliar. Imagine an underdeveloped tribe in South America, never having seen anybody outside themselves for as long as anybody can remember, and all of a sudden a team of European or American scientists come into contact with them. I think it would be natural for them to be a little apprehensive. Now imagine if those scientists were actually slave traders and enslaved the whole tribe... It's assuredly a build-up of scenarios like that over many years that leads one to be racist, and subsequently teach their children to be racist.
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A lot of people are so afraid of being racist these days that they do the opposite of discrimination-praising and raising minorities whenever they can, making facebook groups to justify things like affirmative action "to atone" for "their" crimes. Of course, as soon as such action requires a personal sacrifice on their own behalf, people begin to get antsy. <cough.>
the best part is i still get called chink on a routine basis by these very same "i have a black friend, i'm not racist" people.
although its apparently to use derogatory terms for white people these days. Like hoagie and crackalackin'
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On February 14 2009 04:25 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2009 04:00 Manit0u wrote:
It's worthy of note that racism is almost non-existent among well educated people (ie. who have a degree) since it relies heavily upon superstition and discrimination.
I think this is true to some extent. However, some of the most racist acts in history were created by the educated elites. I think that perpetuating it relies heavily upon superstition and discrimination but I think the causes and roots are significantly deeper than that.
Name some of them (Adolf Hitler wasn't educated for example, he didn't even graduate from highschool).
I know there are people who are both educated and racist but they're in such minority that it can be classified as 'statistical mistake'.
Also note that even if educated person is racist and gathers some fans/followers they're usually not educated.
Edit:
Another thing is that educated people may pretend to be racist or something just to use it as the lever in some personal gains.
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No different from any other form of hate. It will not disappear until there is only one race left.
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more interestingly, why do you think the educated are less averse to racism, at least openly. are enlightenment ideals of equality and rationality uniquely positioned to support a racially diverse metropolitanism, or is that just a convenient story.
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Ignorance, stupidness, narrow mindedness, personal trauma, lack of personality, insecurity, limited experience that result in only bad memories with other races/cultures, etc.
For example, if it were just from my personal experience, I would fucking hate Colombians. All the experience I have with them is them being rude at fast food restaurants, filling my citys park with pseudo-gangster crap and hearing only bad stories around my bloc involving them. However, I also happen to try to think and end up with the following reason: there are shitheads that even their own country didn't want, they are fucking garbage, it doesn't mean every Colombian guy is a dick. It would be unfair to catalog every Colombian citizen in the same category as this pieces of shit.
Now, if you just say: "ok, every Colombian I have ever met is a dickhead, so this must be how they are all in reality, fucking 3rd world savages. I feel like hating them all'. Now, gather a bunch of guys that think like this. Shave their heads. Put some military boots on them. Now you have a nice party.
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Well, affirmative action might not be atoning for past racism, but rather to correct for the subtle effects of current racist stereotyping. Unfortunately, I don't remember the citation, but there was a study that looked at returns on betting on baseball teams over a long period of time. The study found that the expected return of betting on a team with lots of black people is significantly higher than betting on a team with very few black people (the expected return of a $1 bet for both were below $1, of course, and the difference was like the high/mid 90's versus the mid/low 90's). There are many other examples of racism, like the rent minorities get quoted. Thus, affirmative action may simply be an attempt to correct for the subtle negative perception and evaluation of minorities.
One reason racism (and nationalism etc. etc.) exist is because of people's tendency to split themselves into groups and hate other groups. Take, for instance, the Robber's Cave experiment. Here's the wiki entry, and here's another recounting on a spirituality website (I assume the recounting at least is accurate and it doesn't look like the spirituality stuff is in the account). Two groups of well-adjusted boys are split into two groups on a wilderness retreat. At first, they don't know of each other, and they develop their own cultures. When they were brought in contact with each other, fierce hostility ensued. Even minor differences were emphasized and used as ways to distinguish between the members of the groups. Fortunately, the Robber's Cave experiment also showed a potential way to resolve such conflicts.
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On February 14 2009 05:34 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2009 04:25 KissBlade wrote:On February 14 2009 04:00 Manit0u wrote:
It's worthy of note that racism is almost non-existent among well educated people (ie. who have a degree) since it relies heavily upon superstition and discrimination.
I think this is true to some extent. However, some of the most racist acts in history were created by the educated elites. I think that perpetuating it relies heavily upon superstition and discrimination but I think the causes and roots are significantly deeper than that. Name some of them (Adolf Hitler wasn't educated for example, he didn't even graduate from highschool). I know there are people who are both educated and racist but they're in such minority that it can be classified as 'statistical mistake'. Also note that even if educated person is racist and gathers some fans/followers they're usually not educated. Edit: Another thing is that educated people may pretend to be racist or something just to use it as the lever in some personal gains. Uh.. do you want big names (Woodrow Wilson) or just large bodies of people? Within just US history, Southern Democrats, 19th century Northern elites, the CIA during much of the 20th century, the entire state congress of Indiana for a while, etc. It becomes even more obvious when you start looking at European history.
These are not outliers. You're drastically oversimplifying the issue by ignoring every other part of society and history. There is no broad universal rule to it.
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On February 14 2009 03:59 Klive5ive wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2009 03:41 KissBlade wrote:
In my opinion, racism exists just as heavily because in effect, we are still dealing with the same causes of racism; appearance, language and limited resources.
I think you've missed the main reason for racism; people don't like differing ideals. Whether it be differing religions, laws or cultural aspects. People like to stick with those they consider similar to themselves. Possibly it's part of our genetics to group with like minded individuals. Show nested quote +On February 14 2009 03:41 KissBlade wrote:
Appearances and language are essentially groups we are able to identify ourselves under, so it will constantly be one of the causes of "us" and "them". Limited resources is obvious given our current economy, not only is it tempting to blame others for stealing our resources (see constant politicians blame outsourcing as problems of people stealing jobs from Americans) but along with religion, it has been the biggest cause of wars between nations.
Hmm limited resources is a factor, but I don't think it plays on the mind of most racists because they just tend to be idiots. They might use it as an excuse to incite hatred but it's not the overwhelming factor. As to your question, I do think racism is on the decline. We've still got a long way to go but hopefully better understanding and a shifting moral zeitgeist will eventually lead us to a point where racism will no longer be an issue.
hah
that's not racism my friend. Actually you are the one who missed the main concept of racism, not even talking about the reasoning
racism has a pretty narrow meaning
it definitely refers to physical appearance in the first place, then the cultural differences
different ideals? that is so watery, it doesn't even mean anything
we all have different ideals
also nationalism and racism are two completely different animals, but that's another story
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It is just based on fear of the unknown. People used to be scared of witches and burned them even if witches dont even exist. But to them they did and it made sense to burn them.
And while I realise that it is mostly based on fear of the unknown I have to say that I have gone from not racist at all to somewhat intolerant and racist towards praticing muslim arabs and somalians. Oh and I also believe that alot of gambians smuggle heroin but that is more of an stereotype. I must add that I hate all christians regardless of skin color or background and the hate of muslims from certain areas are just based on that I have noticed them alot lately for obvious reasons.
EDIT:I have to say that I'm a bit suprised that I would get these opinions and I dont really know why to be honest. I guess once I meet a few fundamentalist muslims I might change my mind.
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On February 14 2009 06:02 Eatme wrote:
EDIT:I have to say that I'm a bit suprised that I would get these opinions and I dont really know why to be honest. I guess once I meet a few fundamentalist muslims I might change my mind.
Or you might dislike them more. It's not always fear of the unknown.
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On February 14 2009 06:12 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2009 06:02 Eatme wrote:
EDIT:I have to say that I'm a bit suprised that I would get these opinions and I dont really know why to be honest. I guess once I meet a few fundamentalist muslims I might change my mind. Or you might dislike them more. It's not always fear of the unknown.
Well when I think about it you got a point. I do hate christians based on my previous experiences with them.
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Nationalism is a powerful force, and it will be for quite some time.
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It depends on what you mean by racism, but I would call myself ethnocentric as people have been throughout the centuries before the "enlightenment" I simply do not want my racial group to be mixed into one new people. Diversity? that is one of the ironic slogans in the promotion of genocide. Someone mentioned witch burnings, I think the new witches are the evil racists who simply make everything worse and must be ostracized because tv and school said so.
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Because strange things/different ways can kill/harm people, and those who learned that lesson in the past made lots of babies. Albeit those ways aren't too true today. So i guess i believe it's human nature atm.
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Racism can be defined two ways...it's either the acknowledgment of cultural, phenotypic, and ethnic differences constructed into race, or both the acknowledgment AND negatively acting upon them (ie asserting oppression). The first is effectively inescapable, the second can be avoided.
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On February 14 2009 10:51 PH wrote:
Racism can be defined two ways...it's either the acknowledgment of cultural, phenotypic, and ethnic differences constructed into race, or both the acknowledgment AND negatively acting upon them (ie asserting oppression). The first is effectively inescapable, the second can be avoided.
Again, asserting oppression is just an obvious type of racism that we all know is bad. What about feelings/gestures/voice tones/etc? For example, do you feel less safe when walking in a black neighborhood?
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Racism is the way in the past some people had to fuck other people. Now it does that, and works as an excuse for ignorance as well.
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Fear of people who aren't like us.
It's happened for a long time, ever since homo sapiens (we) used to slaughter neanderthals.
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I'm pretty sure racism is on the decline.
As a kid who grew up in a Southern California suburb, my best friends in elementary school were Filipino, Indian, Japanese, Chinese, and white. There were a few Mexican and black kids in my class but it's not like we thought anything differently of them. In fact, most of us understood our differences in a multicultural sense (since we learned all about that in school), but we didn't even really understand the concept of "race" as the rest of the world understood it until sometime in high school. Who knew that race was such a big deal to adults?
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Because there are different races :/ Human nature promotes it, I guess.
Also, it will continue to exist as sure as judgements against poor/ugly/fat/stupid people will. All similar things really.
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On February 14 2009 11:48 Rev0lution wrote:
Fear of people who aren't like us.
It's happened for a long time, ever since homo sapiens (we) used to slaughter neanderthals.
That's not racism, that's evolution. A more successful species wiping out an inferior one. Black people aren't another species.
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Because Blacks call Whites cracker and Whites call Blacks " nigger " sorry if I offended anyone saying either of those, but its true.
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On February 14 2009 06:53 Wotans_Fire wrote:
It depends on what you mean by racism, but I would call myself ethnocentric as people have been throughout the centuries before the "enlightenment" I simply do not want my racial group to be mixed into one new people. Diversity? that is one of the ironic slogans in the promotion of genocide. Someone mentioned witch burnings, I think the new witches are the evil racists who simply make everything worse and must be ostracized because tv and school said so.
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In most cases its because we are egocentric by nature and if we werent cowards we would shout our narcissism over our neighbours just as we do over any other foreigner and minority. But since most of us are cowards, we act like hipocrites and shield behind those closest to us.
Those who are surrounded by a minority and are still racist must have some kind of bitter past or skewed rationalization about them. But these people are very few compared to the ones i just mentioned.
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Racism is simply caused by ignorance and fear.
I am tired right now, so I will elaborate later if necessary
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Different spin on the same idea
There's evidence to support that humans can only form groups of 150 people, before it splits into two groups. What this means is that if you have a group of friends, where everyone knows each other, the max your group can reach is 150 people, before different groups start forming. The reason for the splitting of the group can be as 'obvious' as skin color (racism) or subtle, such as philosophy and political. Racism is not something 'taught' nor 'naturally born', its just a byproduct of our inability to form large groups. Unfortuntely, people of a different skin color also happen to usually have different culture, language, way of life, etc and all of that taken together forms a nice natural rift between 'us' and 'them'.
For more info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar's_number
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On February 14 2009 03:55 Hawk wrote:So stupid that Canadian franchises can't win the Cup in their own sport! MORAN MORON~~
Fixed, and basking in the irony.
Racism exists because of self superiority, as far as I know. They think they are better, so others must be worse. In the process of proving they are better, they find parts of their culture that they deem weird, unnecessary, stupid, etc. to prove that they are better. Racism is riddled with hypocrisy but provides for some very entertaining jokes.
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It's all about feeling superior to others, that's all.
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Because white people suck at bw 
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it exists becuz of fucking inferiortiy problems that the vast majority of hte world has... every1 is soo stupid and stuck up that they cannot apprecate anything but must turn it into h8. they cant let any1 take any credit for the things they have done
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Read the entire thread and did not see what I would consider a good answer. Why not state the obvious? The whole reason there are races in the first place is because of racism. The reason people have different skin colors is because generation after generation they have only had relationships with people of their own race.
Keeping in mind that all of your relatives (ie, your bloodline) are people from your own race, then logically, it is advantageous for you to favor your race above others. What I'm saying is that races and cultures which do not exhibit at least some level of racism will eventually be consumed by those cultures that do.
It is just like the tendency of government to always want more power. Only those governments have survived, other governments eventually dissolve. And generally people who want power go into politics.
I really don't see it as being anymore complicated than that.
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its because of Caucasians.
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On February 14 2009 15:17 NastyMarine wrote:
its because of Caucasians. ill fuckin cut you
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On February 14 2009 14:30 fight_or_flight wrote:
Read the entire thread and did not see what I would consider a good answer. Why not state the obvious? The whole reason there are races in the first place is because of racism. The reason people have different skin colors is because generation after generation they have only had relationships with people of their own race.
Keeping in mind that all of your relatives (ie, your bloodline) are people from your own race, then logically, it is advantageous for you to favor your race above others. What I'm saying is that races and cultures which do not exhibit at least some level of racism will eventually be consumed by those cultures that do.
It is just like the tendency of government to always want more power. Only those governments have survived, other governments eventually dissolve. And generally people who want power go into politics.
I really don't see it as being anymore complicated than that.
dude this is genectics and if u belive in evolution it is EVOLUTION not racism...
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On February 14 2009 15:22 ScarFace wrote: ill fuckin cut you
Think about it asshole.
btw I am Caucasian. I fully understand what I am saying. Oh and you can cut me, but i'll kill ya
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On February 14 2009 15:23 Red.Cloud wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2009 14:30 fight_or_flight wrote:
Read the entire thread and did not see what I would consider a good answer. Why not state the obvious? The whole reason there are races in the first place is because of racism. The reason people have different skin colors is because generation after generation they have only had relationships with people of their own race.
Keeping in mind that all of your relatives (ie, your bloodline) are people from your own race, then logically, it is advantageous for you to favor your race above others. What I'm saying is that races and cultures which do not exhibit at least some level of racism will eventually be consumed by those cultures that do.
It is just like the tendency of government to always want more power. Only those governments have survived, other governments eventually dissolve. And generally people who want power go into politics.
I really don't see it as being anymore complicated than that. dude this is genectics and if u belive in evolution it is EVOLUTION not racism...
I gave an example of governments. That has nothing to do with genetics.
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On February 14 2009 04:56 BottleAbuser wrote:This article mentions it, and it seems a plausible enough. Personal theory: generalization saves time. People tend to extrapolate. Therefore, people will tend to overgeneralize. Personal theory 2: Race is a genetic indicator. Selfish gene theory dictates that we will prefer individuals who appear to share more genes with us.
seems about right in a general consensus. But this does not cover the individual/cultural experience.
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To further explain my opinion: I believe at some point the Caucasian race became overly self aware - causing tremendous emotional dysfunction. 'We' at some juncture felt accomplishment in our intelligence or knowledge (whatever you will) whether 'our' people possessed it or not. It is a plague brought by naive curiosity for the individual experience(s) and kept alive by modern and traditional ignorance.
This is called the superiority complex - which is seen in all races. Regardless of Caucasian history and my individual theory, I TRULY BELIEVE whenever slavery was first adopted into human culture (for whatever reason), racism was and will always be sealed into the fate of humanity for all eternity - Until a miracle or threat of extinction unites us all.
GG no re
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People fear what they don't understand even when it is cultural, language, religious and so forth. Also there is racism outside the U.S. as well.
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On February 14 2009 15:36 NastyMarine wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2009 15:22 ScarFace wrote:On February 14 2009 15:17 NastyMarine wrote:
its because of Caucasians. ill fuckin cut you Think about it asshole. btw I am Caucasian. I fully understand what I am saying. Oh and you can cut me, but i'll kill ya I have thought about it, and your talking out of your ass, because you hate yourself and your own kind. Maybe you should fix your own personal issues before you go around slandering a group of people with ignorant bs.
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Bah, racism is stupid.
Personally, i think discrimination against bisu fans is far more justified 
Seriously, peope discriminate via ever possible grouping criteria that exists, could exist, or can be imagined to exist even if it could not in actuality. There is nothing special about race other than that it is usually visible and thus easy.
Sure you can throw out the selfish gene thing, but actual genetic relatedness is not so simply identified and sometimes heterogeneous gene pool is superior on a group selection level. The grouping mentality do not reduce into simple genetics when something as silly as bisu fanboi hate that have no clear genetic basis exists.
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yes its because I hate myself. Is that what your logic has shown you? I dont hate my own kind but I do hate its history recent history (SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RACISM)
SO SINCE WE ARE TALKING RACISM WE AUGHT TO MENTION SLAVERY. WHY WOULD A PEOPLE ADOPT SOMETHING AS CRUEL AS SLAVERY? DISCUSS PLEASE.
If you want to talk history, how recent was Slavery in AMERICA?
dipshit? maybe. so now will you, think, type, submit, and then wait for a response please.
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So you hate hate yourself because some random white people were enslavers one century ago.
Makes sense !
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On February 14 2009 16:04 NastyMarine wrote:
yes its because I hate myself. Is that what your logic has shown you? I dont hate my own kind but I do hate its history recent history (SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RACISM)
SO SINCE WE ARE TALKING RACISM WE AUGHT TO MENTION SLAVERY. WHY WOULD A PEOPLE ADOPT SOMETHING AS CRUEL AS SLAVERY? DISCUSS PLEASE.
If you want to talk history, how recent was Slavery in AMERICA?
dipshit? maybe. so now will you, think, type, submit, and then wait for a response please. You fucking ignorant twit, black slaves were sold by other fucking blacks. Racism has existed on every scale throughout human history, as has religious bigotry. You cant blame religious wars on Christianity because it had the first mass example of it, in the form of the crusades. It always fucking existed.
"Why does racism exist? its xyz race's fault!?1/1/!!!"
your a stupid self hating fuck.
On February 14 2009 16:08 Boblion wrote:
So you hate hate yourself because some random white people were enslavers one century ago.
Makes sense ! More like he makes a logical leap that has no basis in reality in which he blames much of the worlds problems and violence on himself and "his" kind.
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I didnt blame it on religion fool. Eat your words and this nutsack. Scroll up
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On February 14 2009 15:50 NastyMarine wrote:
To further explain my opinion: I believe at some point the Caucasian race became overly self aware - causing tremendous emotional dysfunction. 'We' at some juncture felt accomplishment in our intelligence or knowledge (whatever you will) whether 'our' people possessed it or not. It is a plague brought by naive curiosity for the individual experience(s) and kept alive by modern and traditional ignorance.
This is called the superiority complex - which is seen in all races. Regardless of Caucasian history and my individual theory, I TRULY BELIEVE whenever slavery was first adopted into human culture (for whatever reason), racism was and will always be sealed into the fate of humanity for all eternity - Until a miracle or threat of extinction unites us all.
GG no re
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On February 14 2009 16:11 NastyMarine wrote:
I didnt blame it on religion fool. Eat your words and this nutsack. Scroll up I was giving an example of a negative idealogy that has been ubuqitious throughout human society and history, dumbass. It's called a fucking comparison.
^ and yours is an inferiority complex. Your probably that guy that said white people are boring and you hate them a few pages back LOL!
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'why does racism exist' is pretty vague, especially considering how the word racism has been distorted and overused to fit people's agendas
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wasnt a good comparison
#1 because we are not talking about religion therefore it is not valid. Why complicate the discussion by throwing religion into u dumb fuck.
#2 Blaming slavery* IS a valid point regardless if it was subject to selecting race as criteria.
#3 I never said I hated myself or Caucasion.
Your first assumption (#3) is wrong. Your comparison complicates the discussion with massive factors therefore it cannot help the discussion process (#1). And #2 is right because i'm the fucking man - ARE YOU HAPPY?
* = edit
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BlackJack has got a point. But then again none of us are scholars and cannot specifically answer it anyway without generalization. So the OP's question is fitting.
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I have lived in Canada, Malaysia and now I'm in UK.
In my experience, people are racists because THEY ARE TAUGHT TO BE RACISTS!!! Historical facts, mass media, culture, religion, etc. How can you NOT be racism wtfomgbbq?
Root causes: People are bias and stupid. Shit happens. Thread closed.
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animals are racists, the homo sapiens is no exception
the strange is always hostile and dangerous and as we don't have an emotional bond to all ethnicities, the strange is fought by creating prejudices (which are an expression of our fear imo).
it's also important to underline the personal superiority over others. you also hate fat people.
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Racism is like algebra I. When you first hear of it, it appears difficult but when you actually become educated you realize its fairly simple. And that is what a lot of people for differing reasons try to obfuscate: your education on the matter. Once you are educated the mystic of racism goes away and it no longer is a tough question in terms of comprehension. The better and tougher question is how do we fix it.
If I had to answer it I would say two ways.
1) Educate people
2) Be open and honest about race. Too many people follow the same political rubric (at least in this country) that is largely obtrusive to true racial equanimity.When I am open with my friends about my feelings of race and expectations I find that a lot more gets achieved.
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Fear of unknown and lack of education is the combo imo.
Btw, it has been proved that if only one of the so called "races" survived to a cataclysm, the 85-95% of the human dna variants will be saved. That's really far away from the numbers of any other animal species races. So, there's no such a thing as "human races".
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On February 14 2009 21:21 yunicyarblejellythou wrote:
Racism is like algebra I. When you first hear of it, it appears difficult but when you actually become educated you realize its fairly simple. And that is what a lot of people for differing reasons try to obfuscate: your education on the matter. Once you are educated the mystic of racism goes away and it no longer is a tough question in terms of comprehension. The better and tougher question is how do we fix it.
If I had to answer it I would say two ways.
1) Educate people
2) Be open and honest about race. Too many people follow the same political rubric (at least in this country) that is largely obtrusive to true racial equanimity.When I am open with my friends about my feelings of race and expectations I find that a lot more gets achieved.
Educated in what exactly? In the marxist college of propaganda? You are the establishment, the liberals always like to blame everything on their scapegoat racists, but in reality it is they who are in charge and have been for quite some time.
Why is it that only western nations have some moral obligation and view their own demographic and cultural decline as some sort of achievement? Britain for example will be 50% white in 50 years. If I were to go to Korea and tell them that their country will be 50% British they would call me racist. If I went to a muslim country and told them that they will be 50% christian I would as well be called racist or imperialist.
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On February 14 2009 16:04 NastyMarine wrote:
SO SINCE WE ARE TALKING RACISM WE AUGHT TO MENTION SLAVERY. WHY WOULD A PEOPLE ADOPT SOMETHING AS CRUEL AS SLAVERY? DISCUSS PLEASE.
If you want to talk history, how recent was Slavery in AMERICA?
Slavery is thousands of years old. Maybe older then the concept of property. There were slaves with the same etnicity and religion as the owner.
Slaves were hauled from places where less resistence was expected. Enslaving neighbours just outside your doorstep doesn't make much sence because you create very dangerous enemies. The African tribes were in no position to retaliate or defend. The cultural distance made it eassier to treat humans as objects. The West-Africans were the most commercially viable.
Hostility between cultures is old as mankind. So slavery is a symptom of that. Competition and beneficial co-existance have always been in flux and probably forever will.
Economic drive is also a motive for slaves. The majority of all humans that ever lived, lived in abhorrent poverty. Peasant running out of food offered themselves as slaves or their familymembers to secure a future as a slave. It may sound absurd. But think what structural hunger, fear of the future or living outside citywalls with plundering hordes could do to your spirit.There was no room to bargain. The other option was to die.
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I won't speculate on why it exists (probably just human nature), but I will say that it will continue for a very long time as long as we continue to be such a race-focused culture with things like affirmative action, Black History Month, etc. etc.. People nowadays are so often taught that "racism is wrong" then are subjected to constant streams of tribalism which is really just racism in disguise; i.e., recognizing people foremost as their race. If you really want to end it, celebrate people as people, and their achievements as individuals, not as members of whatever various collective an accident of birth happened to place them in.
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It exists the same way religion does, because most people are stupid, and would believe almost anything they hear even if its moronicly dumb, if it helps them answer things they dont understand, and if it helps convince others that its true.. Lack of knowledge, education, limited views on the world, no proper parenting, slavery, wars between "races" etc. etc. etc.....
Besides, what would you believe easier, that a white dude robed you, or a "nigga"...
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Because people are arrogant and think they are the best.
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On February 14 2009 16:21 NastyMarine wrote:
BlackJack has got a point. But then again none of us are scholars and cannot specifically answer it anyway without generalization. So the OP's question is fitting.
Some of us are pretty well read in sociology, history and political thought, just no one listens to us. o.o
Slavery is not inherently racist. It wasn't particularly racist in the US until after Bacon's Rebellion and even for many years later, indentured servants lived much worse lives than did slaves.
It's easy enough to speculate on race relations from your bedroom or office (as many professors who write about this stuff do) but would you care to join me the next time I'm working in the Cass Corridor in Detroit or when I go down to the 9th Ward in NO? Or are you going to get a lump in your throat about being unsafe. BTW, overt racism is alive and well down there, and it starts with the pigs.
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This topic is oh so simple yet oh so complex. So I'll refrain from posting.
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On February 14 2009 16:13 NastyMarine wrote:
This is called the superiority complex - which is seen in all races. Regardless of Caucasian history and my individual theory, I TRULY BELIEVE whenever slavery was first adopted into human culture (for whatever reason), racism was and will always be sealed into the fate of humanity for all eternity - Until a miracle or threat of extinction unites us all.
GG no re
Slavery was around significantly longer than the slave trade. As appealing as the "blame whitey" argument can be, it's not so simple. That being said, Caucasians do tend to be more prone towards cultural imperialism and other signs of racial antagonism (not ethnic antagonism, which is a totally different beast) than others, in the recent one thousand years.
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On February 15 2009 02:22 HamerD wrote:
This topic is oh so simple yet oh so complex. So I'll refrain from posting.
Yet you did post ... +1 post count gogo
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racisim will always exist because people are fearful of change, stubborn and ignorant... as it happens most conservatives/republicans possess all of these traits .. coincidence? I think not...
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The same things that encourage people to be nationalistic and proud of their country contribute to racism. So you just have to think about what things make you like your country over others.
For example, when a british comedian jokes about the french surrendering too soon, everyone knows it's just for fun, but it plants little biases in people's minds. Most people get their opinions from media and other people, so no wonder this stuff gets amplified.
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On February 14 2009 04:44 JudgeMathis wrote:
Because people think their superior to others.
On February 14 2009 04:01 oneofthem wrote:
human nature imo
Agree with these. We are always going to try to look for differences and label them. But those differences might become miniscual if we had even something vast different than race, for example, another life species (aliens living on earth)
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People need an outlet for the anger and hatred they build up for some reason or another. Reasonable people take their anger out directly on the people that make them angry, or perhaps go to the gym and punch a bag for an hour, or cut themselves, or play Terran. Unreasonable, uneducated people will classify the people around them in broad groups according to appearance and culture so they have an entire RACE of people to take their anger out on. It also gives them an "us vs them" scenario and makes them feel closer to people of their same race.
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racism exists, because there always has to be someone who is in a higher level of ignorance than others.
So.
Racism = Ignorance.
if (string(racism == true);
gotoandplay(fuckyoufaggots);
else (worldends);
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On February 15 2009 05:43 funkie wrote:
Racism = Ignorance.
if (string(racism == true);
gotoandplay(fuckyoufaggots);
else (worldends);
I love how every programmer does this, lol. It's cause of fear basically.
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there's a complex and a simple answer to that question
i'll only write the simple one to prove my point:
in order to live humans need to categorize/define the endless complexity of the universe
we cannot communicate without defining and therefore simplifying
race, just like religion, gender, age, hobby, car, etc.. are just obvious and easy ways to reduce complexity
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racism exists because you touch yourself at night
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On February 15 2009 06:41 likeaboss wrote:
racism exists because you touch yourself at night
b i n g o
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to some degree everyone is racist, whether one is concious of it or not. Now this is a statement of realism. By no means, im i a racist( i.e. nazi, kkk, redneck), i treat everyone with equal respect, however, i am willing to admit that i probably will make natural judgements and stereotypes of certain races on a subconcious level.
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Because we have races and people are dumb.
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On February 15 2009 13:55 CultureMisfits wrote:
to some degree everyone is racist, whether one is concious of it or not. Now this is a statement of realism. By no means, im i a racist( i.e. nazi, kkk, redneck), i treat everyone with equal respect, however, i am willing to admit that i probably will make natural judgements and stereotypes of certain races on a subconcious level.
Only if you're exposed to people and media who make these distinctions. Before I was exposed to people who made racist comments (usually joking, sometimes not) and watched adult media I didn't even notice race. I remember someone asking me once if I knew the nationality of a darker skinned friend of mine. It had never even occured to me. I paid as little attention to people's skin color as their eye or hair color as a child.
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On February 15 2009 00:15 Samurai- wrote:
Besides, what would you believe easier, that a white dude robed you, or a "nigga"...
One thing that I always think is ridiculous is when people look at the fact that prisons have a disproportionate number of minorities in them and say "racism". That would only be true if the number of crimes committed was constant across all races--which it isn't.
If you look at total crimes committed, minorities (especially blacks) DO commit more crimes capita than other races. That is not racism, that is just a number you can count.
So since there is this racial difference in committing crimes, many people either consciously or unconsciously are afraid of black people or black neighborhoods. But to blame that on racism rather than on simple association or conditioned response is silly.
Now, real racism is when you observe the differences between races and come to the false conclusion that blacks commit crimes BECAUSE they are black--that somehow their skin color causes them to break the law more often. In reality, probably most of differences in behavior are caused by CURRENT (can change) socioeconomic differences as well as cultural differences. So the goal should be to change those things. Economically, the government is already spending the vast majority of its revenue on transfer payments. But how to change a culture....that is a hard question. How do you convince millions of people to get married and stay married...to raise children in stable 2 parent homes and be good examples to their children?
However you stated:
Besides, what would you believe easier, that a white dude robed you, or a "nigga"... " as if somehow being aware of CURRENT behavioral differences between races is evidence of racism and that is a false conclusion.
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Because throughout history, white people thought they were superior to everyone else, and felt it was their duty to teach the other races, ie:colonize, teach them Christianity, exploit for resources, etc.
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On February 15 2009 15:42 deathgod6 wrote:
Because throughout history, white people thought they were superior to everyone else, and felt it was their duty to teach the other races, ie:colonize, teach them Christianity, exploit for resources, etc.
It's true, only white people are capable of racism.
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On February 15 2009 15:42 deathgod6 wrote:
Because throughout history, white people thought they were superior to everyone else, and felt it was their duty to teach the other races, ie:colonize, teach them Christianity, exploit for resources, etc.
That has been done by every one who had power. We only know more about whites because we study European history more than Japanese, Chinese, or African history.
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Savio, both sides of that argument are dangerously oversimplified. You can't simply suggest that racism doesn't factor into a disproportionate number of minorities being in prison because a disproportionate number of minorities commit crimes, when it may be that the cops reporting crimes are as racist as the judges sentencing them.
Ignoring race is definitely problematic as well though.
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On February 15 2009 15:51 Savio wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2009 15:42 deathgod6 wrote:
Because throughout history, white people thought they were superior to everyone else, and felt it was their duty to teach the other races, ie:colonize, teach them Christianity, exploit for resources, etc. That has been done by every one who had power. We only know more about whites because we study European history more than Japanese, Chinese, or African history.
We also know more about whites because whites have been the most successful at it, by modern standards. 
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Racism exists because people think that everybody should be the same and as such differentiating between people in any form is bad.
If we didn't create the opinion that differentiating between the races is a bad thing to do we wouldn't have racism.
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On February 15 2009 17:32 Caller wrote:
Racism exists because people think that everybody should be the same and as such differentiating between people in any form is bad.
If we didn't create the opinion that differentiating between the races is a bad thing to do we wouldn't have racism.
It's quite a great deal more complicated than this.
I think it's really a combination of segmented culture and probably some media. Racism is taught, of that there is no doubt. A fear of the unknown, a fear of being inferior, a fear of a whole host of things cause it.
That and people at the top like to remain at the top, it's easier to do that when you devalue others.
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On February 15 2009 17:36 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2009 17:32 Caller wrote:
Racism exists because people think that everybody should be the same and as such differentiating between people in any form is bad.
If we didn't create the opinion that differentiating between the races is a bad thing to do we wouldn't have racism. It's quite a great deal more complicated than this. I think it's really a combination of segmented culture and probably some media. Racism is taught, of that there is no doubt. A fear of the unknown, a fear of being inferior, a fear of a whole host of things cause it. That and people at the top like to remain at the top, it's easier to do that when you devalue others.
MOST MODERN RACISM IS SUBCONSCIOUS AND UNINTENTIONAL, OFTEN BY PEOPLE WHO TRULY DO BELIEVE IN EQUALITY AND WISH RACISM TO GO AWAY. IT IS NOT UNIQUE TO RACISM, BUT OF ANY TYPE OF DOMINANT VS. OTHER SOCIAL GROUP RELATIONSHIP, SUCH AS SEXISM/AGEISM/ABLEISM/ETC. THEY DO NOT SUBCONSCIOUSLY INTEND TO "STAY ON TOP" BUT RATHER COME TO NATURALLY DEVALUE THINGS OUTSIDE THEIR BASIC SECURITY SYSTEM, IE. BEING UNCOMFORTABLE TALKING TO SOMEONE IN A WHEEL CHAIR WITHOUT LEGS.
http://academic.udayton.edu/race/01race/racism10.htm
AHSDGggggggggggggHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Because people are accustomed to what they grew up around and when they see something new it is strange to them and thus they feel that it is bad or wrong. Also due to the fact that naturally humans notice the flaws of others more than the flaws of themselves.
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Because people fear what they don't know/understand and because it allows people to elevate themselves above others.
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People think they're better than other people and they want power.
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Because neither side, the racists and the victims, are willing to say we are all equal. The anti-racism this day is race empowerment when it should really be race-equality.
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At my high school ethnic groups clung together like ants at sea.
This may be due to racism, or may be one of the causes of it.
What came first, the chicken or the egg?
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On February 15 2009 15:52 Jibba wrote:
Savio, both sides of that argument are dangerously oversimplified. You can't simply suggest that racism doesn't factor into a disproportionate number of minorities being in prison because a disproportionate number of minorities commit crimes, when it may be that the cops reporting crimes are as racist as the judges sentencing them.
Ignoring race is definitely problematic as well though.
It would be really incredible if the major reason that more minorities are in jail it due to the racism of the justice system rather than actual current difference in socioeconomic circumstances and subcultures. For what you say to be true, you would have to have racist cops in every single state in which minorities are overrepresented in prison, then you would need to add onto that racist a racist justice system in all of those states again to convict them to actual prison sentences. Then we could break it down by county and say the same thing would have to apply in every single county in which we find this phenomenon.
That really would be incredible. But I don't think it is the case.
The fact is that people who grow up in single parent homes and poor neighborhoods and then are exposed to a culture of "gangsta rap" are more likely to commit crimes.
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because people are scared / sceptical of what is different / alien / unknown to them / new
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"see constant politicians blame outsourcing as problems of people stealing jobs from Americans" What happened with America is the freeland and the Statue of Liberty?
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There is racism because people believe in racism. This is how everyone is brought up. People who think they are "the most open" are in fact the most racist since they tend to believe everyone is worse-off and must be helped, not noting the possibility for people to actually function without pity.
I'll be honest black people are the most racist in the United States at least. The entire election was racist in 2008 and I'm going to pursue that as my capstone next fall, if I'm able to :/
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On February 24 2009 17:55 Savio wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2009 15:52 Jibba wrote:
Savio, both sides of that argument are dangerously oversimplified. You can't simply suggest that racism doesn't factor into a disproportionate number of minorities being in prison because a disproportionate number of minorities commit crimes, when it may be that the cops reporting crimes are as racist as the judges sentencing them.
Ignoring race is definitely problematic as well though. It would be really incredible if the major reason that more minorities are in jail it due to the racism of the justice system rather than actual current difference in socioeconomic circumstances and subcultures. For what you say to be true, you would have to have racist cops in every single state in which minorities are overrepresented in prison, then you would need to add onto that racist a racist justice system in all of those states again to convict them to actual prison sentences. Then we could break it down by county and say the same thing would have to apply in every single county in which we find this phenomenon. That really would be incredible. But I don't think it is the case. The fact is that people who grow up in single parent homes and poor neighborhoods and then are exposed to a culture of "gangsta rap" are more likely to commit crimes.
It's the combination of two socioeconomic groups and 2+ subcultures acting within eachother. In some areas, "gang culture" might be a practical response to an abusive police force/justice system, while in others it may be idiotic or caused by some other reason. It's tempting, but it's also usually a mistake to try and claim an overarching theme for any type of social behavior.
Again, racism isn't just an overt practice by people who hate other groups. It's aversive as well, so a judge who is loaded up with way too many cases to handle might defer to a police officer rather than the accused, and make that generalization in part due to the way he was brought up. It's doubtful that any person makes a decision without some inherent bias, and in this case the bias is usually in favor of the upper class, whites or males because those are the groups that hold the most power in society.
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I'm not going to go very deep about this, but in reality it's all about us being stupid animals with limited ability to communicate and work together.(comparing to what would've been needed to have peace).
In sweden, people who are racists have a strong opinion about foreigners who has fled here from war or for other reasons. They are often different and (at first) they don't fit in very well and it's not hard at all to be a hater.
If you don't commit yourself to understanding the bigger picture you can see a bit of the truth and base your logic's on that. And it's also very convenient, It's like believing in god - you can blame shit on something.
The mindset is sometimes a little bit like piracy. "I know downloading is wrong but I don't give a shit".
A racist could go "I know every person deserves to live and be free from torture and whatnot but i don't give a shit".
This kind of mindset is not always bad, it's a tough world out there..
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racism exists because there is more than one race ....\o/
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Racism exists because it's so damned funny. I just watched Grand Tourino and it was the funniest movie I've seen all year.
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