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On January 21 2009 14:10 DV8 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2009 13:30 Savio wrote:On January 21 2009 13:18 sith wrote:
Who will liberals whine about now? If something goes wrong, there aren't any republicans to blame it on.
THE HORROR. Yes, which means the fun is just beginning  EDIT: There is a reason that political power tends to swing from one party to the other in the matter of just a few years. In the 90's you had a democratic president and democratic congress in both houses, next thing you know the GOP has the House, then the Senate and the Presidency. Fast forward to 2006, dems take congress then the Whitehouse in 2009. Give the democrats a few years and the GOP should be back if 200 years of history is anything to go by. Although I agree with where you're going with this. But what 200 years are we talking about since the GOP was founded in 1854 or did you mean the last 154 years
I was talking about the general change of power between political parties/ideologies in a democracy. I was not talking about the Republican party because to do so means nothing unless we only talk about it in the last few decades since:
1956
Guess which party is red and which is blue...Obviously things have changed in the last 50 years.
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On January 21 2009 14:01 fusionsdf wrote:
I think it should more accurately described as a vision
and yes I think an incoming president should have a vision for the future
John McCain didn't, so its entirely proper that he lost. For the record, McCain would have made a horrible president, you only have to look at his various campaign missteps to see that
You and I judge people differently. You looked at the 2 campaigns and the words they spoke while I looked at their lives and the things they had done/accomplished.
In my opinion, you should never trust what a politician SAYS to understand him but rather what he does. ESPECIALLY during a political campaign.
Don't you remember when Bush debated Gore, Bush criticized Clinton/Gore for "nation building" and using our military when war wasn't necessary?
By your standard, would we really understand Bush? By my standard, I looked at how many executions he presided over in Texas (a TON) and I said, "This guy is a hawk".
Now you judged Obama and McCain based on their campaigns.
Not a good idea imo.
EDIT: I am not saying Obama is gonna be bad or socialist, but just that nobody knows what he is gonna do or be like because he has never actually done anything. We only have the words he spoke while in the middle of a political campaign. Which pretty much means squat in my book.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
throwing a good party, and the inauguration is a political party of the highest level, is a part of conducting a presidency. obama has shown that he can manage public appearances. it is helpful to actual business, and plain pleasant as well.
my qualm with the media coverage is the potential misleading impression that obama is nothing but the grand talking points. people like savio already fell for it, apparently taking the public image effort as all there is to obama. obama is many times more competent at running stuff than bush, the entire approach is just more professional and well studied. he is not just talk, although the talk is part of the operation.
john mccain having a vision...he's not that near death, is he now. time to lay off the shrooms
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wow. nice speech.
regardless of what Obama accomplishes, i can't think of any better a vision to have. i'm going to put away my cynicism and reason for a moment and let it resonate a bit.
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On January 21 2009 15:33 Savio wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2009 14:01 fusionsdf wrote:
I think it should more accurately described as a vision
and yes I think an incoming president should have a vision for the future
John McCain didn't, so its entirely proper that he lost. For the record, McCain would have made a horrible president, you only have to look at his various campaign missteps to see that You and I judge people differently. You looked at the 2 campaigns and the words they spoke while I looked at their lives and the things they had done/accomplished. In my opinion, you should never trust what a politician SAYS to understand him but rather what he does. ESPECIALLY during a political campaign. Don't you remember when Bush debated Gore, Bush criticized Clinton/Gore for "nation building" and using our military when war wasn't necessary? By your standard, would we really understand Bush? By my standard, I looked at how many executions he presided over in Texas (a TON) and I said, "This guy is a hawk". Now you judged Obama and McCain based on their campaigns.Not a good idea imo. EDIT: I am not saying Obama is gonna be bad or socialist, but just that nobody knows what he is gonna do or be like because he has never actually done anything. We only have the words he spoke while in the middle of a political campaign. Which pretty much means squat in my book.
hahaha
bush managed to nearly bankrupt an oil company and do a horrible job as governor
mccain managed to finish fifth last in a class of ~900 and crash 3 seperate planes
both only managed to get where they were because of who their father was
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Obama is a self made man unlike McCain and Bush.
He had to earn everything he has, and if you think its all just sweet talk, then holy crap its the biggest scam in human history (AGAIN)
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so did anybody go to this thing? 7 people voted yes, anyone want to share their experiences
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On January 22 2009 15:51 D10 wrote:
Obama is a self made man unlike McCain and Bush.
He had to earn everything he has, and if you think its all just sweet talk, then holy crap its the biggest scam in human history (AGAIN)
He's also traveled the world and I'm sure not many President's can say they've done that. I don't think Bush knows anything outside of the US, even Texas.
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Sanya12364 Posts
On January 22 2009 16:34 rushz0rz wrote:
He's also traveled the world and I'm sure not many President's can say they've done that. I don't think Bush knows anything outside of the US, even Texas.
Contrary to popular belief, Bush is not from Texas. He grew up in Connecticut, went to prep school in Andover, MA, and got into Yale based on his attendance at Philips Andover Academy. This whole Texas residence business is all very recent.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
he's a texan living in new england.
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Poll was missing an option. I saw part of it on accident when I went to the local Goodwill place to see if they had any motherboard standoffs. All the employees were sitting around the tube watching it, and I saw some as I politely waited for them to acknowledge me before I said fuck it and asked for some assistance. I've never watched an inauguration and had no plans to break my streak.
I did lol inside (contradiction!) when he gave the Shaka sign to a Hawaiian marching band and the announcer said something about him giving them a thumbs up.
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Sanya12364 Posts
On January 22 2009 16:39 oneofthem wrote:
he's a texan living in new england.
I guess that's true. He spent some of his childhood down in Texas and then ran whatever oil business they had down there.
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On January 22 2009 16:28 a-game wrote:so did anybody go to this thing? 7 people voted yes, anyone want to share their experiences
I am so sad to admit that I indeed went to D.C.; however, I was so sick and even with 4 layers of clothes(2 long johns, long sleeve+pants, and a thick jacket) and 3 layers socks I was miserably cold.
I basically couldn't comprehend anything due to the MASSIVE headache I had; all I remember is some words (like "Thank You" at the end, useful huh?) and me crashing into random people because I couldn't support myself.
Sure, it was a historic moment, but I now think such a thing was not worth my time now.
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Several friends of mine actually attended the inauguration. Apparently, whenever Bush's name was called, the entire audience boo'd heavily, but they edited it out for tv.
Edited because my grammar sucks.
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On January 22 2009 17:20 Tetris wrote:
Several friends of mine actually attended the inauguration. Apparently, whenever Bush's name was called, the entire audience boo'd heavily, but they edited it out for tv.
Edited because my grammar sucks.
Oh yeah I remember that. Only my friend and a dude behind me clapped and supported Bush. Carter barely got any claps at all too.
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I went to the inauguration and it was a pretty awesome experience, and my trip to philly and baltimore as well. i knew the boo's were going to come, i was on the opposite end of the national mall and i heard the boo's they were really loud. I was going to make a blog post but i figured i'd just post my web album for anyone interested in looking at the inauguration pictures which are towards the bottom of the album.
D.C. Trip Album
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On January 22 2009 15:00 fusionsdf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2009 15:33 Savio wrote:On January 21 2009 14:01 fusionsdf wrote:
I think it should more accurately described as a vision
and yes I think an incoming president should have a vision for the future
John McCain didn't, so its entirely proper that he lost. For the record, McCain would have made a horrible president, you only have to look at his various campaign missteps to see that You and I judge people differently. You looked at the 2 campaigns and the words they spoke while I looked at their lives and the things they had done/accomplished. In my opinion, you should never trust what a politician SAYS to understand him but rather what he does. ESPECIALLY during a political campaign. Don't you remember when Bush debated Gore, Bush criticized Clinton/Gore for "nation building" and using our military when war wasn't necessary? By your standard, would we really understand Bush? By my standard, I looked at how many executions he presided over in Texas (a TON) and I said, "This guy is a hawk". Now you judged Obama and McCain based on their campaigns.Not a good idea imo. EDIT: I am not saying Obama is gonna be bad or socialist, but just that nobody knows what he is gonna do or be like because he has never actually done anything. We only have the words he spoke while in the middle of a political campaign. Which pretty much means squat in my book. hahaha bush managed to nearly bankrupt an oil company and do a horrible job as governor mccain managed to finish fifth last in a class of ~900 and crash 3 seperate planes both only managed to get where they were because of who their father was
Even Obama's supporters admit that he has the shortest resume of any major party nominee since....well as far back as anyone can remember. That doesn't even have to be defended because he didn't even try to run on accomplishment but on hope. It was a winning strategy, but doesn't change the fact that his resume was pretty slim. Almost no time in national politics, no legislative accomplishments that were significant, no experience running a state government, no military experience, no brilliant business successes...etc.
He seems a decent guy, he just hasn't done much. Although he does speak very well.
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United States22883 Posts
Hope and expertise. Some people blindly fed into the campaign messages, but don't discount the fact that he's a reportedly brilliant constitutional scholar with an IR background as well.
Savio, even you are going to have to give him some props if he keeps revoking Bush's executive orders. No president has given up that kind of power since George Washington.
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