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Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 01:46:15
November 23 2010 01:45 GMT
#501
On November 22 2010 20:52 Railxp wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40291856/ns/travel-news

Full Article Below:
+ Show Spoiler +

By Harriet BaskasTravel writer


msnbc.com contributor

updated 11/20/2010 7:16:18 PM ET


A retired special education teacher on his
way to a wedding in Orlando, Fla., said he was

left humiliated, crying and covered with his
own urine after an enhanced pat-down by TSA
officers recently at Detroit Metropolitan
Airport.

“I was absolutely humiliated, I couldn’t even
speak,” said Thomas D. “Tom” Sawyer, 61, of
Lansing, Mich.

Sawyer is a bladder cancer survivor who now
wears a urostomy bag, which collects his urine
from a stoma, or opening in his stomach. “I
have to wear special clothes and in order to
mount the bag I have to seal a wafer to my
stomach and then attach the bag. If the seal is
broken, urine can leak all over my body and
clothes.”

On Nov. 7, Sawyer said he went through the
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Thomas Sawyer, 61, said he was left "humiliated" and covered in urine after undergoing a TSA pat-down.
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TSA pat-down leaves traveler covered in urine
'I was absolutely humiliated,' said bladder cancer survivor

security scanner at Detroit Metropolitan
Airport. “Evidently the scanner picked up on
my urostomy bag, because I was chosen for a
pat-down procedure.”

Due to his medical condition, Sawyer asked to
be screened in private. “One officer looked at
another, rolled his eyes and said that they
really didn’t have any place to take me,” said
Sawyer. “After I said again that I’d like privacy,
they took me to an office.”

Sawyer wears pants two sizes too large in
order to accommodate the medical equipment
he wears. He’d taken off his belt to go through
the scanner and once in the office with
security personnel, his pants fell down around
his ankles. “I had to ask twice if it was OK to
pull up my shorts,” said Sawyer, “And every
time I tried to tell them about my medical
condition, they said they didn’t need to know
about that.”

Related: Obama: TSA pat-downs frustrating
but necessary

Before starting the enhanced pat-down
procedure, a security officer did tell him what
they were going to do and how they were
going to it, but Sawyer said it wasn’t until they
asked him to remove his sweatshirt and saw
his urostomy bag that they asked any
questions about his medical condition.

“One agent watched as the other used his flat
hand to go slowly down my chest. I tried to
warn him that he would hit the bag and break
the seal on my bag, but he ignored me. Sure

enough, the seal was broken and urine started
dribbling down my shirt and my leg and into
my pants.”

The security officer finished the pat-down,
tested the gloves for any trace of explosives
and then, Sawyer said, “He told me I could go.
They never apologized. They never offered to
help. They acted like they hadn’t seen what
happened. But I know they saw it because I
had a wet mark.”

Humiliated, upset and wet, Sawyer said he had
to walk through the airport soaked in urine,
board his plane and wait until after takeoff
before he could clean up.

“I am totally appalled by the fact that agents
that are performing these pat-downs have so
little concern for people with medical
conditions,” said Sawyer.

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Sawyer completed his trip and had no
problems with the security procedures at the
Orlando International Airport on his journey
back home. He said he plans to file a formal
complaint with the TSA.

When he does, said TSA spokesperson
Dwayne Baird, “We will review the matter and t
ake appropriate action if necessary.” In the
meantime, Baird encourages anyone with a
medical condition to read the TSA’s website
section on assistive devices and mobility aids.

The website says that travelers with
disabilities and medical conditions have “the
option of requesting a private screening” and
that security officers “will not ask nor require
you to remove your prosthetic device, cast, or
support brace.”

Related: TSA forces cancer survivor to show
prosthetic breast

Sawyer said he's written to his senators, state
representatives and the president of the
United States. He’s also shared details of the
incident online with members of the nonprofit
Bladder Cancer Advocacy Network, many of
whom have offered support and shared their
travel experiences.

“I am a good American and I want safety for all
passengers as much as the next person,"
Sawyer said. "But if this country is going to
sacrifice treating people like human beings in
the name of safety, then we have already lost
the war.”


Bladder Cancer Advocacy Network executive
director Claire Saxton said that there are
hundreds of thousands of people living with
ostomies in the United States. “TSA agents
need to be trained to listen when someone
tells them have a health issue and trained in
knowing what an ostomy is. No one living with
an ostomy should be afraid of flying because
they’re afraid of being humiliated at the
checkpoint.”

Eric Lipp, executive director of Open Doors
Association, which works with businesses and
the disability community, called what
happened to Sawyer “unfortunate.”

“But enhanced pat-downs are not a new issue
for people with disabilities who travel," Lipp
said. "They've always had trouble getting
through the security checkpoint."

Still, Lipp said the TSA knows there’s a
problem. “This came up during a recent
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meeting of the agency’s disability advisory
board and I expect to see a procedure coming
in place shortly that will directly address the
pat-down procedures for people with
disabilities.”


Harriet Baskas is a frequent contributor to msnbc.com,
authors the “Stuck at the Airport” blog and is a columnist
for USATODAY.com. You can follow her on Twitter .

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TL;DR:
Man with cancer problems needs urine bag strapped outside his body. TSA strip search in a very rude manner, and despite repeated warnings from the poor guy, fucked up the pee bag and the man was covered in his own piss. TSA pretend they didn't see anything, and without even an apology, sends him on his way. Man is humiliated and outraged.

In Soviet Russia America, security pisses on YOU.


also in the article:
Breast cancer woman forced to show her prosthetic boob. More humiliation and rage ensues.


Pretty terrible. And so obviously so that it actually has antagonized all political wings of this country...how rare... Given that no constituency supports this, and there is not even a benefit to security, and that the cronyism involved in the TSA on this issue has been put under the microscope, I am curious to see what results will come of this.

Especially as this problem is analogous to deeper problems within our government (wasted money/cronyism/government incompetence). Tackling this issue--I hope--might start a positive trend?
wtf was that signature
Almania
Profile Joined September 2010
145 Posts
November 23 2010 02:30 GMT
#502
In the news today, Gizmodo obtains 100 nude body scans under the freedom of information act, despite the fact that the machines "cannot store, print, transmit or save the image".
FindingPride
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1001 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 02:49:31
November 23 2010 02:48 GMT
#503
What do we do when the terrorist start bombing the airports and the schools?
Railxp
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Hong Kong1313 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 19:46:50
November 23 2010 19:33 GMT
#504


Oops, there goes all your arguments about airport security actually being effective. Now you must feel really silly for letting them grope you and scan your small pee pee for no reason.



-----

in all seriousness, "OMG WE MUST SACRIFICE EVERYTHING FOR SECURITY!!" is just exactly what the government wants you to believe. Its a tried and true propaganda tactic of governments worldwide. You panic, they offer shitty service at exuberant price, you pay up, they fondle your bundle. If any company in the private sector tried this, and treated air passengers as rudely as the TSA does, they would be shat into bankruptcy instantly. But since its the government doing it, once the storm of bad PR blows over, there will be no other consequences.
~\(。◕‿‿◕。)/~,,,,,,,,>
SolidusR
Profile Joined November 2010
United States217 Posts
November 23 2010 23:08 GMT
#505
The TSA will back off, for multitudinous reasons which the Obama administration should've seen coming miles away. Let's count.
1) Everybody hates it
2) They have no proof of the effectiveness of the new techniques
3) They have failed literally every single time, the best defense America currently has against terrorism is the fact that terrorists keep fucking up their bombs…
4) They have no guidelines or structure, the TSA pretty much "wings" it from airport to airport
5) They employ no exceptions for people with medical conditions or for small children
6) They are still managing to justify all of this in light of the fact that dedicated Muslim women are free from all these invasions (don't get me wrong, all people should be free from these invasions, it's just hypocritical PC bullshit
7) The TSA administrator pretty much dared Congress to make him and his self-interested agency irrelevant by telling the country that he didn't care one bit about public opinion. See here.Some representatives have already begun screening corporations for the purpose of taking over the TSA's job. Lol.

I voted for the man, but I'm planning on pinning this little piece of fail on his list of disappointing non-accomplishments as commander in chief.
Dagobert
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands1858 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 23:10:55
November 23 2010 23:10 GMT
#506
Has anyone posted this yet? ;P
FlyingLigerz
Profile Joined May 2010
United States163 Posts
November 23 2010 23:27 GMT
#507
Who really cares. Its not like they are gonna go home and be like hey look i got an xray of a hot gurl. You are simply walking through it. Better then other things they could do.
brain_
Profile Joined June 2010
United States812 Posts
November 23 2010 23:36 GMT
#508
On November 24 2010 04:33 Railxp wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3yaqq9Jjb4&feature=player_embedded

Oops, there goes all your arguments about airport security actually being effective. Now you must feel really silly for letting them grope you and scan your small pee pee for no reason.



-----

in all seriousness, "OMG WE MUST SACRIFICE EVERYTHING FOR SECURITY!!" is just exactly what the government wants you to believe. Its a tried and true propaganda tactic of governments worldwide. You panic, they offer shitty service at exuberant price, you pay up, they fondle your bundle. If any company in the private sector tried this, and treated air passengers as rudely as the TSA does, they would be shat into bankruptcy instantly. But since its the government doing it, once the storm of bad PR blows over, there will be no other consequences.



I totally believe it, and I agree with your sentiment.

I know someone who accidentally brought a 3-inch knife onboard a plane (was not caught) and another person who accidentally brought a LOADED .22-CALIBER PISTOL when he grabbed his hunting backpack instead of his travel backpack.
Krigwin
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1130 Posts
November 23 2010 23:46 GMT
#509
On November 24 2010 08:27 FlyingLigerz wrote:
Who really cares. Its not like they are gonna go home and be like hey look i got an xray of a hot gurl. You are simply walking through it. Better then other things they could do.

What would be worse, for example? Keep in mind strip searches are already occurring in many instances.
Pugget
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
November 24 2010 02:49 GMT
#510
On November 24 2010 08:08 SolidusR wrote:
6) They are still managing to justify all of this in light of the fact that dedicated Muslim women are free from all these invasions (don't get me wrong, all people should be free from these invasions, it's just hypocritical PC bullshit


This is completely false, at least according to the newly published TSA rules. They explicitly state that there is no religious exception to the molestation pat downs, and that religious head coverings and other garb may have to be removed.
Mooga
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States575 Posts
November 24 2010 02:56 GMT
#511
So the TSA defends their invasive security measures by saying that a terrorist smuggled a bomb in his underwear.

Ok, so what happens when a terrorist stuffs a bomb up his rectum? I can't wait for my anal probe just to get on an airplane.
Exxo
Profile Joined November 2010
United States79 Posts
November 24 2010 03:03 GMT
#512
On October 23 2008 21:51 Maenander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2008 21:47 Jizz wrote:
those pictures are disssssturbing

So what? An x-ray image of your skeleton is disturbing, too.
Honestly, I wouldn´t mind and I certainly wouldn´t lose my dignity. As long as they don´t save these pictures, I am fine with it.



lol? The fact that they have appeared in this thread is proof that they are, not only saved, but distributed by means phones/websites. While I appreciate the added security at our airports, this is unacceptable. I'm not ashamed of being searched, nor being scanned, but when the results of such tests are exploited without consent of the individual, our rights are obviously violated.

Good day.
Hi.
Klumaster
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom36 Posts
November 24 2010 11:19 GMT
#513
I just hope Al Qaeda get on with developing and using a fully swallowable bomb package (that fails to take the plane down). It's got to be possible, and the sooner they do it the sooner all this "security theatre" bullshit will be over.
The thief, Black Leaf, did not find the poison trap, and I declare her dead.
E_minus
Profile Joined July 2009
Russian Federation60 Posts
November 24 2010 11:39 GMT
#514
I've just read Cory Doctorow's "Little Brother" the other day, and now this... It's pretty funny. In the book Doctorow pictures exactly the same issue: useless security measures that do nothing except invade your privacy and infringe your rights.

How many terrorists will be caught with this TSA scanner? Somehow I'm thinking about the number ZERO.
How many people will be inconvenienced? Quite a lot, I would assume.
It will only give rise to more fear and anxiety in the masses... not the worst thing for the government, eh.
Draconizard
Profile Joined October 2008
628 Posts
November 24 2010 12:13 GMT
#515
I brought up this issue with a friend the other day to get his thoughts on the matter. He advanced the argument that even if these security measures (the scanners to be specific) are completely ineffective currently, they are still worthwhile. He asserted that the TSA (and government in general) is doubtless gathering data from their operation and is thus rapidly working to improve the devices so that they will eventually become effective and that in the meantime the infrastructure needed to be put in place for that eventuality.

I was, well, flabbergasted and did not even know how to respond. I was rather stunned that he could so wholeheartedly support something that he acknowledged as being ineffective. We did not even touch upon any ethical/legal concerns
Krigwin
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1130 Posts
November 24 2010 16:46 GMT
#516
On November 24 2010 21:13 Draconizard wrote:
I brought up this issue with a friend the other day to get his thoughts on the matter. He advanced the argument that even if these security measures (the scanners to be specific) are completely ineffective currently, they are still worthwhile. He asserted that the TSA (and government in general) is doubtless gathering data from their operation and is thus rapidly working to improve the devices so that they will eventually become effective and that in the meantime the infrastructure needed to be put in place for that eventuality.

I was, well, flabbergasted and did not even know how to respond. I was rather stunned that he could so wholeheartedly support something that he acknowledged as being ineffective. We did not even touch upon any ethical/legal concerns

You should probably tell your friend to stop being a clueless blowhard.

Now, granted, given the TSA's illustrious history of competency and efficiency and total lawfulness, it might seem reasonable to expect some kind of "rapid" improvement, but the hope of progress in the future is still not a good enough defense for so many problems in the present. There are many ways of "gathering data" (what kind of data is being collected anyways from all these lawsuits?), and having infrastructure in place is great and all, but not when the infrastructure is causing more problems than the eventual operations they are in place for will solve.
RoosterSamurai
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan2108 Posts
November 24 2010 16:53 GMT
#517
http://www.dailysquib.co.uk/?c=124&a=2389

I'll just leave this here.
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
November 24 2010 16:58 GMT
#518
Yeah I couldn't care less but I imagine there are people out there who would. If a person really wants to smuggle something onboard they can... its really not that hard. I've gotten away with a billfold that has a jackknife in it. And a multitool in the past that has a variety of threatening things...
Krigwin
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1130 Posts
November 24 2010 17:05 GMT
#519
"What do you want to do, get blown up by a goddamn Arab at 30,000 feet or we get to see your private parts? It's up to you, the ball's in your park," head of the TSA's scanning department, Rodney Schroeder, told CNN.

Stay classy, TSA.
samalie
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada87 Posts
November 24 2010 18:08 GMT
#520
Dailysquib?

BWAHAHAHAHA

Way to quote a SATIRE site as fact. I despise the TSA & their methods...but linking to bullshit to prove our side makes our side look stupid.
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