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Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
October 21 2008 17:04 GMT
#61
I think it's good for you as long as you drink enough water and don't stay in there too long. I know a guy (who's really fat also) who fell asleep in a sauna for an hour and it caused him to have a heart attack.
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
maleorderbride
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2916 Posts
October 21 2008 17:12 GMT
#62
LOL, the wiki page is great.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauna#Benefits

Someone has eleventy billion citations for poorly worded sentences.
Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go.
Mora
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada5235 Posts
October 21 2008 17:19 GMT
#63
saunas are good for you.

swicthing between hot and cold temperatures helps your body break down the lactic acid in your muscles that builds up from working out (so does doing cardiovascular AFTER weight lifting, so do so in that order).

If you can hit the sauna, have a cold shower, hit the sauna, have a cold shower, etc. that's even better!

And assuming u find it relaxing (like most people?) that's always good for you too. De-stressing is great.
Happiness only real when shared.
Yogurt
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States4258 Posts
October 21 2008 17:24 GMT
#64
well its been proven that a warm/hot environment after doing strength work ( lifting weights ) increases blood flow and protein synthesis, allowing for greater muscle growth.
ok dont not so good something is something ok ok ok gogogo
Yourbike
Profile Joined October 2008
Finland9 Posts
October 21 2008 17:28 GMT
#65
Don't let 100 celsius scare you. What probably is scaring some of you is the idea of boiling water. In sauna you are not in water, the air is moist but it's not the same as jumping in 100 C water.
Different substances conduct (if that is the right word?) temperature differently, that's why the benches in sauna aren't made of metal, you would burn your ass in a second.
If you have ever had your bare hand in below zero celsius air, you will know it's nothing compared to putting your hand in freezing water which is near zero but not below.
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-21 18:10:34
October 21 2008 18:05 GMT
#66
On October 22 2008 01:49 d(O.o)a wrote:
I think you mean 120 Fahrenheit because 120 Celsius is above boiling temperature.


Well how do you think there is water steam in the sauna? It is different thing to sit in 120°C air than in 120°C water.. THINK! also when it's like 0°C outside it doesn't feel as cold as if you were sitting in 0°C water
BlackStar
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Netherlands3029 Posts
October 21 2008 18:16 GMT
#67
On October 22 2008 02:28 Yourbike wrote:
Don't let 100 celsius scare you. What probably is scaring some of you is the idea of boiling water. In sauna you are not in water,


The 100 degree water vapor has more energy than boiling water.
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
7031 Posts
October 21 2008 18:25 GMT
#68
100°C saunas are pretty much standard here in Finland and so is swimming in snow between sauna sessions too, its awesome.

Never heard of sperm count lowering, meh, shouldn't matter that much.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
October 21 2008 18:27 GMT
#69
also the water vapor in the air conducts heat, so the moister it is, the better the air conducts heat, and it will feel warmer, even at the same temperature. A 110C sauna can feel colder than a 90C one, if the 110 one is dryer.

Another analogy: compare to sticking the hand in the oven at 250C. No problem as long as you dont touch the walls or the tray.

And <3 saunas. Ill go and have a long one after the gym tomorrow.
meathook
Profile Joined December 2007
1289 Posts
October 21 2008 18:30 GMT
#70
On October 22 2008 03:16 BlackStar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2008 02:28 Yourbike wrote:
Don't let 100 celsius scare you. What probably is scaring some of you is the idea of boiling water. In sauna you are not in water,


The 100 degree water vapor has more energy than boiling water.

No it doesn't. Looks like you don't even know what you are talking about... throwing stuff out there hoping for a hit, but so far only misses..
An ugly planet. A bug planet.
Yourbike
Profile Joined October 2008
Finland9 Posts
October 21 2008 18:36 GMT
#71
On October 22 2008 03:16 BlackStar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2008 02:28 Yourbike wrote:
Don't let 100 celsius scare you. What probably is scaring some of you is the idea of boiling water. In sauna you are not in water,


The 100 degree water vapor has more energy than boiling water.


The steam is spread in such a big area, so in practice, no
That wiki link explains it better than I did.
"Under many circumstances, temperatures approaching and exceeding 100 °C (212 °F) would be completely intolerable. Saunas overcome this problem by controlling the humidity. The hottest Finnish saunas have relatively low humidity levels in which steam is generated by pouring water on the hot stones. This allows air temperatures that could boil water to be tolerated and even enjoyed for longer periods of time. Steam baths, such as the hammam, where the humidity approaches 100%, will be set to a much lower temperature of around 40 °C (104 °F) to compensate. The "wet heat" would cause scalding if the temperature were set much higher."
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
October 21 2008 18:41 GMT
#72
On October 21 2008 18:58 LemOn wrote:
It also increases your VO2 MAX. And from the sporting point of view, it decreases your performance up to three days after the extensive sauna session.

How does this work for fighters who use it to drop weight before the weigh-in (which is usually the day before the fight I think)?

I can't stand saunas personally, or at least I couldn't last time I tried one.. I always found it annoyingly hard to breathe =/
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8100 Posts
October 21 2008 18:42 GMT
#73
On October 21 2008 18:14 Dewis wrote:
I really don't know if there are any actual benefits in going to a sauna but it relaxes you so much. Personally I feel very refreshed after a 15-30 min visit to a sauna.

Some sportsmen use sauna to lose weight fast when they temporarily need to reach a specific weight before a weighing (boxers, wrestlers etc.). However, the weightloss is not permanent since all you do is sweat heavily.

Apparently there is enough Saunas in Finland to put all the population in at the same time. i'm not kidding.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Oracle
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada411 Posts
October 21 2008 18:47 GMT
#74
On October 22 2008 02:19 Mora wrote:
saunas are good for you.

swicthing between hot and cold temperatures helps your body break down the lactic acid in your muscles that builds up from working out (so does doing cardiovascular AFTER weight lifting, so do so in that order).

If you can hit the sauna, have a cold shower, hit the sauna, have a cold shower, etc. that's even better!

And assuming u find it relaxing (like most people?) that's always good for you too. De-stressing is great.


Cardiovascular after weight lifting gets rid of lactic acid?

I thought lactic acid was formed when the body doesn't have enough oxygen to break down carbohydrates into energy

And cardiovascular training is really intense, I thought you'd form more lactic acid, from the lack of oxygen. (High heart rate, huge breaths, pain in muscles, etc.)

Not to be rude or anything, but im a regular at the gym and this sort of stuff is really helpful when planning your workouts, if u can back this up with some facts, thatd be great
Yourbike
Profile Joined October 2008
Finland9 Posts
October 21 2008 19:00 GMT
#75
On October 22 2008 03:42 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2008 18:14 Dewis wrote:
I really don't know if there are any actual benefits in going to a sauna but it relaxes you so much. Personally I feel very refreshed after a 15-30 min visit to a sauna.

Some sportsmen use sauna to lose weight fast when they temporarily need to reach a specific weight before a weighing (boxers, wrestlers etc.). However, the weightloss is not permanent since all you do is sweat heavily.

Apparently there is enough Saunas in Finland to put all the population in at the same time. i'm not kidding.


I think this is probably true. Any single house will have it's own sauna in it. Apartment blocks many times have only one shared sauna, so people need to share the timetable and only can go once or twice per week. There are also many apartment blocks where each apartment has it's own sauna, for example I do and so do couple of my friends places (none of us is rich). Also, any summer cottage has a sauna in it or a separate sauna building. Some single homes I know have two saunas for some reason, my old stepdads home had a sauna in the house, but later he built another sauna in the small building outside that moslty has used as a storage. The old one is good enough, now that I think of it I can't figure out why he built the second one... oh well. Any swimming facility or gym and the cruise ships have saunas too.
Mora
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada5235 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-21 19:32:44
October 21 2008 19:30 GMT
#76
On October 22 2008 03:47 Koltz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2008 02:19 Mora wrote:
saunas are good for you.

swicthing between hot and cold temperatures helps your body break down the lactic acid in your muscles that builds up from working out (so does doing cardiovascular AFTER weight lifting, so do so in that order).

If you can hit the sauna, have a cold shower, hit the sauna, have a cold shower, etc. that's even better!

And assuming u find it relaxing (like most people?) that's always good for you too. De-stressing is great.


Cardiovascular after weight lifting gets rid of lactic acid?

I thought lactic acid was formed when the body doesn't have enough oxygen to break down carbohydrates into energy

And cardiovascular training is really intense, I thought you'd form more lactic acid, from the lack of oxygen. (High heart rate, huge breaths, pain in muscles, etc.)

Not to be rude or anything, but im a regular at the gym and this sort of stuff is really helpful when planning your workouts, if u can back this up with some facts, thatd be great


you're not being rude at all!

if something sounds like horseshit, there's nothing wrong with asking for a reference.

http://www.physorg.com/news64680736.html
The above link is not the original reference that i read 10 months or so ago when i was researching fitness/health, but it covers it pretty much the same.

intense training = builds lactate/lactic acid
endurance training = burns lactate

i don't consider cardiovascular training 'intense'. But maybe my cardio is different than yours. when i do cardio i typically do 30-60mins with an average of 170 hb/min. I wouldn't call it easy, but i can talk periodically while maintaining that pace. So it's nowhere close to sprinting (which is what i would call intense).

My original source about lactic acid (and more specifically, the hot/cold affecting it) was from my father. He played soccer for the national team and went on to be one of the coaches/trainers for the womens national team. He told me about how after a soccer game the girls would have to switch between hot showers and bath tubs full of icecubes. I never went out of my way to research that myself, i just took it for granted that he knew what he was talking about. In retrospect it seems like it's something worth researching.
Happiness only real when shared.
Hydrolisko
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Vanuatu1659 Posts
October 21 2008 20:02 GMT
#77
90-110c saunas are standard, real ones at least. 120c is nothing outrageous.
TimeShifter
Profile Joined October 2008
Singapore235 Posts
October 21 2008 20:05 GMT
#78
On October 21 2008 18:14 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2008 18:12 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
it makes you feel great how could it not be good for you


Alcohol makes you feel great too.
lol rofl..nicely said..
On October 22 2008 03:47 Koltz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2008 02:19 Mora wrote:
saunas are good for you.

swicthing between hot and cold temperatures helps your body break down the lactic acid in your muscles that builds up from working out (so does doing cardiovascular AFTER weight lifting, so do so in that order).

If you can hit the sauna, have a cold shower, hit the sauna, have a cold shower, etc. that's even better!

And assuming u find it relaxing (like most people?) that's always good for you too. De-stressing is great.


Cardiovascular after weight lifting gets rid of lactic acid?

I thought lactic acid was formed when the body doesn't have enough oxygen to break down carbohydrates into energy

And cardiovascular training is really intense, I thought you'd form more lactic acid, from the lack of oxygen. (High heart rate, huge breaths, pain in muscles, etc.)

Not to be rude or anything, but im a regular at the gym and this sort of stuff is really helpful when planning your workouts, if u can back this up with some facts, thatd be great
i have a feeling that the sauna-cold shower-sauna-cold shower will make you get a heart attack..be careful.. =X i dont think the human body can take it..hmm...
strawberries~
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4904 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-21 20:14:30
October 21 2008 20:10 GMT
#79
On October 21 2008 23:47 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
I dont even want to imagine sitting in 120 c water

its like being burned alive ;;


Well, I bet you couldn't imagine sitting in 120 C water, or if you could, tell me how it is 'cause I'm really curious.

All of you acting all "Woah! IZ TEMPERATURER RLY DAT HIGH IN ZE FINLAND SAUNAS OMG LOL?!" do some reserach damnit. Finland has the biggest sauna culture in the world if you didn't know...obviously they're more hardcore at it - just like the relation of SC and S. Korea, pretty simple ain't it?

I wouldn't recommend starting that high ofc, be softcore - everyone should do that when they start out.

Which means:
1, Sit on the lower benches (someone already pointed this out), the temperature is lower there
2, Take breaks, "sessions" if you may - best compiled with swimming imo, I dunno if it would work synergically with working out.
3, Be careful, should you feel a little tired / dizzy, get out - it's not a shame or a willpower contest of "who can stay in there longer to look 1337 before friends". It's about your health.
4, Enjoy

Edit: I forgot to mention that you shouldn't really go to saunas that are really steamy (i.e. people spillt a lot of water on the stove in order to make the humidity higher before you got in there), as it makes it more stressful. Just go step by step.
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il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
October 21 2008 20:13 GMT
#80
Hot water is suppose to keep your muscles feeling okay, during the olympics when the swimmers showered, they took quick showers to relax their muscles (even though I don't see how diving for a couple of seconds could take away so much strrength)
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