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On February 12 2008 09:58 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 09:56 GeneralStan wrote:On February 12 2008 09:51 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:
I don't get why people do Salvia.
Nobody I know has GOOD stories from it. DMT is way better. More intense, more enlightening, less forceful. Interestingly, I've heard nothing but stories that really make me want to avoid DMT. Disassociation, out of body and most often intensely Dysphoric visions. I've heard many a DMT tripper say taht they felt ready to die (although not a standardly suicidal way, just . . . resigned) It's not something one would do for fun. It's a very spiritual experience. Considering what the human body uses DMT for and all  And disassociation and out of body experiences are necessarily a bad thing. It isn't something I'd recommend to somebody inexperienced or without somebody experienced with them. And if you're just looking for fun, I wouldn't recommend it either. But then again, it's not really one of those drugs you just come across at a party either.
It's one of those drugs 18 year olds buy from Walgreen's because it's legal, and they have NO idea what they're getting themselves into.
I agree that disassociation and out of body isn't necessarily bad.
I've done Mushrooms, LSD, Salvia and (stoopidly) aerosol. How does DMT compare?
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What? DMT isn't legal.
And how does it compare? It's arguably the most powerful hallucinogen on the planet. It doesn't compare.
As far as good experience on Salvia goes, sounds like 5x or lower. My only good experiences have been on that. Otherwise you basically just have the universe fucking you through your ear
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On February 12 2008 10:04 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:What? DMT isn't legal. And how does it compare? It's arguably the most powerful hallucinogen on the planet. It doesn't compare. As far as good experience on Salvia goes, sounds like 5x or lower. My only good experiences have been on that. Otherwise you basically just have the universe fucking you through your ear
Yeah, it's pretty intense. By the way, I was totally thinking of DXM, the ingredient in cough syrup, which is a powerful disassociative and one that doesn't strike me as at all a good time (still beats nutmeg though)
I sort of want to try DMT now. I remember reading about it now. There's a grass which you can brew concentrate from.
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On February 12 2008 10:07 GeneralStan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 10:04 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:What? DMT isn't legal. And how does it compare? It's arguably the most powerful hallucinogen on the planet. It doesn't compare. As far as good experience on Salvia goes, sounds like 5x or lower. My only good experiences have been on that. Otherwise you basically just have the universe fucking you through your ear Yeah, it's pretty intense. By the way, I was totally thinking of DXM, the ingredient in cough syrup, which is a powerful disassociative and one that doesn't strike me as at all a good time (still beats nutmeg though) I sort of want to try DMT now. I remember reading about it now. There's a grass which you can brew concentrate from.
Phalaris Grass.
Can also make Ayahuasca tea
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And now I head on over to Erowid ^^
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Joe Rogan (of all people) has some very interesting things to say about DMT and psychadelics in general.
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On February 12 2008 09:56 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 09:54 ilj.psa wrote:On February 12 2008 08:41 GeneralStan wrote:On February 12 2008 06:04 ilj.psa wrote:
i think its a bad idea to overanalize the experiences that happened to you with reality or try to interpret them, you were high dude. I think you're completely wrong. Yes you're high, and no your vision while you're high aren't prescient and aren't special. You have to take a few steps back from the significance you attached to them while you were high, but they're certainly capable of helping you see things differently. In fact, they're really really good at that. Only with a drug that powerful can you see the world from an entirely different perspective, and that's an experience you should analyze to its fullest, because in analyzing how things were different, you gain a deep understanding of how you think when you're not high. i agree you get to see the different perspective of the world through the eyes of a crackhead high on drugs and you should analize it because when your brain is tripping is a meaningful time to evaluate how your life Please explain how salvia and crack are anything similar? Please explain why virtually any experience isn't worth analyzing and thinking over? Sure, it can be taken too far but that doesn't make it not worthwhile. And again, please tell me what makes you such an authority on drugs, life and psychoanalysis. I'm quite curious.
personally, I'd like to know why he's such a tool and why he feels the need to talk out his ass about hsit he doesn't know about. Then he can answer that.
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On February 12 2008 11:31 Hawk wrote:
And DMT = K?
DMT = Dimethyltryptamine
K = Ketamine
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On February 12 2008 11:33 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:DMT = Dimethyl tryptamine K = Ketamine
Irony.
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Salvia is some pretty fucked up stuff, I've only tried weak stuff so far.
I think I might try some DMT soon that shit is also crazy
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On February 12 2008 09:54 ilj.psa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 08:41 GeneralStan wrote:On February 12 2008 06:04 ilj.psa wrote:
i think its a bad idea to overanalize the experiences that happened to you with reality or try to interpret them, you were high dude. I think you're completely wrong. Yes you're high, and no your vision while you're high aren't prescient and aren't special. You have to take a few steps back from the significance you attached to them while you were high, but they're certainly capable of helping you see things differently. In fact, they're really really good at that. Only with a drug that powerful can you see the world from an entirely different perspective, and that's an experience you should analyze to its fullest, because in analyzing how things were different, you gain a deep understanding of how you think when you're not high. i agree you get to see the different perspective of the world through the eyes of a crackhead high on drugs and you should analize it because when your brain is tripping is a meaningful time to re-evaluate your life
Dude, no
Just the fact that you just used crackhead in this shows how oblivious you are to psychedelics. Everything is meaningful when trippin, you're able to see things from an extremely "outside the box" view. and i mean...extremely.
Just imagine yourself being able to understand why everything is everything. What exactly are we doing? Why do you drive home everyday? Why do you go to school? Why do you wash your hands before you eat? I mean, they have simple answers , "bacteria, because i want to stay clean" but i mean truly and deeply why? You probably don't know as don't most of us, we're just set to autopilot all of our lives.
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On February 12 2008 09:54 ilj.psa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 08:41 GeneralStan wrote:On February 12 2008 06:04 ilj.psa wrote:
i think its a bad idea to overanalize the experiences that happened to you with reality or try to interpret them, you were high dude. I think you're completely wrong. Yes you're high, and no your vision while you're high aren't prescient and aren't special. You have to take a few steps back from the significance you attached to them while you were high, but they're certainly capable of helping you see things differently. In fact, they're really really good at that. Only with a drug that powerful can you see the world from an entirely different perspective, and that's an experience you should analyze to its fullest, because in analyzing how things were different, you gain a deep understanding of how you think when you're not high. i agree you get to see the different perspective of the world through the eyes of a crackhead high on drugs and you should analize it because when your brain is tripping is a meaningful time to re-evaluate your life
you are a fool.
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don't mean to turn this into a religion thread but ive been a christian for almost my entire life and ive been having doubts in the existence of God and so i have been skipping church service and smoking weed for the past 4 weeks.. ive been thinking about my salvia trip and the more i think about it, the more i believe that God really does exist....trippy
or maybe salvias just fuckin crazy
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Well at least ilj stfu finally.
Badayori, having a religious awakening is apparently pretty common with psychs. Never had one myself, but you can find it online.
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Hahaha Badayori, it's funny you mention that. With most of my psilocybin trips, I become closer to God and begin to have a much deeper respect for creation and life. Salvia doesn't even come close to an LSD/Cubensis trip but It's great that you're taking your experience and building from it! :thumbs up:.
No drug can be deemed good or bad, only what you take out of the experience makes it good/bad.
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Talith, that's obvious! Look at capsaicin, a purely pain-inducing drug. We willingly ingest vast quantities of it for fun, insisting that it makes food taste better!
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On February 13 2008 10:10 Talith wrote:
Hahaha Badayori, it's funny you mention that. With most of my psilocybin trips, I become closer to God and begin to have a much deeper respect for creation and life. Salvia doesn't even come close to an LSD/Cubensis trip but It's great that you're taking your experience and building from it! :thumbs up:.
No drug can be deemed good or bad, only what you take out of the experience makes it good/bad.
I'm pretty sure that Datura is the source of all evil.
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Hahah never tried, how are the effects Sir Freak?
and lol @ BottleAbuser, so true! ^_^; I was referring to people that label drugs right away, and not so much towards chemical compounds that are naturally found in edible/non-hallucinogenic plants. Even chocolate has a compound which almost resembles that of 2cb besides the fact that enzymes absorb the compound before too much can be absorbed into the brain.
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