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I tried salvia for my first time yesterday and im not sure if ima do it ever again. I have to say it was the weirdest shit that ive ever experienced. it was me and four of my friends sitting in the living room and i was sitting on the couch when i hit the bong with the salvia in it and it was 21 extract (i thought the extract went by multiples of 5 or 10 but this really was 21). I hit the bong and i held it in for around 17 seconds (goal was 30) and then i blew out the smoke and i get this really shitty taste in my mouth for a brief second. as soon as I say "ew tastes like shit", the trip begins because thats the last thing i remember before the trip.
Its kinda impossible for me to explain what I saw.. or not really what i saw or felt but kinda what I lived. I was completely in another world. I tried to explain to my friends what I felt but I coudlnt.. All i remember (or what I think I remember) is basically I was in a big grassy field with little elementary kids standing in a single file line and a teacher was telling the kids to count off starting from 1 and at some point a kid messes up and they had to start over.. and then he messes up again and again and then the trip somehow changes to my friend thats holding a bowl of soup and he accidentally drops the bowl and this replays over and over again and as I begin to say "don't spill it", my voice suddenly starts turning REAL deep and slow so its like DOONNNNNNTTTTTT SPPPPIIIILLLLLLL ITTTTTTTT in slow mo and then i hear laughter in the background. This is when I realize that all of reality and everything that I knew to be true was false. I realized that there was someone or something out there that can fuck with everything however they wanted (that someone was the one who was making everything repeat)..i somehow vaguely remember human bodies interlocking together like zippers (they werent corpses dead or naked it was just ..idk).
k let me try to clarify what I mean by something that can fuck with everything however they wanted. I mean that there was something out there that can do anything it wanted to and it was basically god..humans are basically nothing and it can totally fuck with our lives however the hell it wanted to. the "god" can make shit repeat over and over again or maybe put a black hole in the middle of America, etc.
well anyways after i realized that i started screaming NO NO NO NO really loud and then the next thing i do is bolt out of my friends house and i run down(skipping 3 or 4 steps at a time) two flights of stairs at full speed. at the bottom of the steps I fall down but I keep running and I run across the street as fast as I can until i reach the other side ( it was an apartment complex so no busy cars).
By the time I reach the other side of the road I realize where I am and turn aroudn to see my friend who chased after me when I began to run. I was too tired to talk then and I told him I was fine and that I'll explain once we sit on the sofa (even though later I coudlnt describe to him what I experienced).
throughout the three minutes while I was visioning everything I saw, i had no conscious awareness of my physical body. apparently my friends told me that I was walking around a bit, drooling, and mumbling before I started yelling NO and ran out the house. I had no control or knowledge over my body so I cant understand how people talk about actually doing things on their own will while tripping off salvia.
The reason I started screaming No was because I wanted to stop everything from repeating and i didnt want to accept the fact about reality.
But i have no idea why I ran out the house..maybe to run away from the truth? lol idk
I was so shocked at how different salvia is from weed. Nothing close to each other.
I remember running down the stairs but I dont remember me actually telling my body to run down. And i also dont remember falling but thats what my friend told me and i found two big scrapes on my knees when I got back in the house. My friend told me while I was running down the stairs, I was holding on to the railing and I was going so fast then when I was turning to go down the second flight of stairs, I basically swung around and leaped down and thats how I fell..lol
My friend caught most of my trip on video and hopefully he'll upload it on youtube but sadly he didnt catch me running out of the house and down the stairs. I'll post the video when he posts it on youtube. One scene in the video, during my trip I was standing up against the wall and I suddenly turn and look at my friend with the camera and I yell NO and he gets scared and runs to the kitchen HAHAAH
what scares me is what if my friends house was ont he side of a big road or something.. im definately gonna chill out with the salvia
anyways.. I was glad when I was straight after running across teh street. I was in a bad world and I didn't like it. I was never so happy to be back in my friends living room... salvia also made me realize how awesome bud is.
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wow... ive never done drugs in my life, and i definitely dont see how people would ever want to. thats fucking crazy dude... Im glad you're alive though :|
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your supposed to put weed in a bong.
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hahhahaha
are you sure this is even real man?
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arrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeee yooooooooouuuuuuuuu surrrrrrrreeeeeeeeee?
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I tried 20x once, laughed for a while... Then I felt so empty I thought I was dead, it felt like hours but was just a few minutes in reality, not pleasant.
Salvia is famous for fucking up even people who are very experienced with psychadelics like acid and shrooms, salvia doesnt give anything unlike those drugs tho. And the effect is much shorter.
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why would you upload that to youtube -_-
having a partner is always good with salvia because of freak out potential. 20x is powerful...i've used 5x and 10x, which causes a good sensation the lucid dreams/trips and out of body stuff. it's not like bud at all, but it is very very wild.
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On February 10 2008 15:28 LumberJack wrote:
wow... ive never done drugs in my life, and i definitely dont see how people would ever want to. thats fucking crazy dude... Im glad you're alive though :|
I realised i had been taking slightly shorter steps with my left leg for my entire life when i took mushrooms for the third time, that was a pretty great discovery.
Knocking your concious out of its normal pattern can really help to put things into perspective, salvia is absolutely not good for that tho..
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On February 10 2008 15:34 mahnini wrote:
arrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeee yooooooooouuuuuuuuu surrrrrrrreeeeeeeeee?
i hate youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu T T
On February 10 2008 15:38 MarklarMarklar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2008 15:28 LumberJack wrote:
wow... ive never done drugs in my life, and i definitely dont see how people would ever want to. thats fucking crazy dude... Im glad you're alive though :| I realised i had been taking slightly shorter steps with my left leg for my entire life when i took mushrooms for the third time, that was a pretty great discovery. Knocking your concious out of its normal pattern can really help to put things into perspective, salvia is absolutely not good for that tho..
when you do shrooms are you actually aware of your surroundings and able to control yourself like when your high or drunk?
or is it like salvia where your body is doing something of its own and your mind is someplace else
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yeah man, i had a real shitty experience with it as well and i know exactly what you're talking about. The whole repeating slow mo thing.....scariest fucking shit ever. It's like nothing exist and all is just....like fake or something.
Reality truly deteriorates in a negative when on salvia. Very shocking and uncomfortable experience for me.
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From my experience with salvia, that sounds about right 
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I've done Salvia once and nothing happened to me. But I was already drunk, and completely ripped off ecstasy.
Anyways, nice read. A friend of mine had a similar experience when he did it. He hallucinated being in a psychiatric hospital, and there was a group of doctors telling him, he went crazy. He said it felt like hours, but in reality he was only high for about 3 minutes.
BaDayOri:
Mushrooms have lots of variables. You can control yourself pretty well. But you still might "freak out", it will however be all in your mind. I've never seen anyone get physical while high on mushrooms. Don't get me wrong though, it's nothing even close to being high or drunk. It's a whole other thing on it's own.
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On February 10 2008 15:39 BaDayOri wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2008 15:34 mahnini wrote:
arrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeee yooooooooouuuuuuuuu surrrrrrrreeeeeeeeee? i hate youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu T T Show nested quote +On February 10 2008 15:38 MarklarMarklar wrote:On February 10 2008 15:28 LumberJack wrote:
wow... ive never done drugs in my life, and i definitely dont see how people would ever want to. thats fucking crazy dude... Im glad you're alive though :| I realised i had been taking slightly shorter steps with my left leg for my entire life when i took mushrooms for the third time, that was a pretty great discovery. Knocking your concious out of its normal pattern can really help to put things into perspective, salvia is absolutely not good for that tho.. when you do shrooms are you actually aware of your surroundings and able to control yourself like when your high or drunk? or is it like salvia where your body is doing something of its own and your mind is someplace else
You are aware on shrooms and acid, you normally have sufficient logical thinking to make quite good decisions. Not as good as when you are drunk and stoned tho...
You also have a hard time concentrating on a thought. You might just forget what you were talking about in the middle of a sentence because your mind is just super creative and has little ability to focus on one thing, your mind drifts like never before...
It of course depends on how much you take and if you take shrooms with other people, ive taken 5.5 grams of dry shrooms ( super trip) alone. That was insane. If you're alone you get stronger visuals and you kind of drift into a world of your own unlike when you trip with others.
Here is some stuff about that trip:
The floor was dripping upwards and the dots on my dotted shirt were all eyeballs blinking at me, then when i laid down in my bed and looked up at the lamp in the ceiling there was a lizard there with a eyeball in its mouth, trying to communicate with me ( yes i was close to talking to an object of my imagination)
was a pretty insane trip, its funnier when i look back on it. At the time it was somewhat frightening, and I was just 17...
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My buddy did 40x and said he floated in his chair out of an apartment building, looked back and was floating 20 stories up watching everyone in the building through the walls... then his friends woke him up and he was fine after that... dont do salvia kids!
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MyLostTemple
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i smoked salvia in my bathroom at college with some kid i didn't know. apparently it was the super strong shit. i remember taking about 3 hits out of a pipe and holding them in for a while. then it was like my whole reality changed. i was unawear that i ever existed, everything was a glowing brown and yellow and i it looked like there were flowers comming out of the walls. eventually i grabbed the biggest flower i could see, which turned out to be the door handel. after this i stumbled out of the bathroom into my room, one of my friends was sitting in my chair. i asked him to move, he said no but also didn't know i was on salvia. for some reason this freaked me out and pissed me off and i suddenly grabbed my freebreeze which was right next to me and started spraying him in the face telling him 'get the fuck out now!' i ended up chasing him out of the room. then i started babbeling some random shit no one understood and eventually i came back to reailty. Overall this experience wasn't worth it. i tried it one more time afterwards and the trip wasn't so bad.
Salvia isn't the best drug to do. mainly because it's so strong and brief. Shrooms are longer and much safer. you really can end up doing stuff that's completely out of character on salvia.
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Man... Research your drugs before you do them
I did Salvia 3-5 times before I had the sort of trip you're talking about. Salvia is a very precise drug, you have to do it just right to get the full effect. It looks like you did it the right way
My trip was very similar to yours... The biggest difference was that I was going into it with the mindset of "Damnit, It's going to work this time!" And boy did it. I took the biggest hit I could out of a ~2 foot bong... The last thing I remember is my vision was totally blurry in a whirlwind counter clockwise circle, with the only "visible" things in the room being the faces of my 2 friends as I laugh histerically and tell them to take the bong quickly...
After that it was a good eternal 5 minutes.... From my friends perspectives, I just started laughing hysterically and sweating profusely. From my perspective I had lived another existence... Really weird shit... It's been quite a few years now, but the one memory from the trip that really sticks out after all that time is that at one point I was at a railroad station -- working there -- and I was telling my coworker that I would simply not move. Ever. I was standing down on the track with my arms resting on the rails (Somehow the rails were aligned with my shoulders).
I came out of the trip telling my friends that I simply would not move. I slowly came back to reality...
Salvia is most likely the second most powerful psychadelic if used properly... second only to DMT... (you can argue Datura and Ibogaine if you wish )
Salvia isn't a drug for recreational use, but I could see it's purpose as a spirital "enhancer" in the shamanistic and/or hippie senses. On my uses where I didn't get the full blow effect, I've noticed that it still has really strange psychoactive effects... On a medium-light dose your mentality is completely trashed (but you still stay within what we call reality). I've had friends get up and run into the other room ect. Just because they "felt the need to"... I always have an effect where I view the room around my as "bordered" with geometric shapes that are aligned all over the room... Impossible to explain, but I'll try...
3 people sitting on a couch next to eachother with a coffee table in front of them, becomes 3 square territories each containing a person, with the coffee table in it's rectangular territory in front... and they all 4 align to form a bigger square which aligns with the rest of the artifacts of the room.
erowid.org do your research... Salvia is no toy.
Edit: I would say that if you're interested in this type of experience, I would recommend starting with mushrooms or lsd. Mushrooms are my personal favorite... Much more predictable than Salvia, and enjoyable.
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yup........ salvia is no toy... true that.
u really learn to respect salvia after you try it....
i had a very crazy experience on 20x which left me scared to do it ever again..
the effects u had were similar to mine.
things repeating over and over and over again to the infinite and u have no idea how that is happening.
i lost my physical being and just became this soul entity thing.
i also felt very very trapped and after i came out of it, i started doing unreasonable things like throwing myself on the ground and running super fast towards the door and slammed by body against it cuz i just felt like it needed to happen.
salvia is insane....
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What do the numbers mean?
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what does x60 do? (effects)
and is x## = the amount of salvia is put in the bowl?
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Damn thats insane, the deepest i hit was lsd, and that already scared the shit out of me.
Curious from shrooms tho.
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its the strength of the salvia extract
higher the number, the stronger the effects supposedly but people have diff tolerance from salvia
one might knock out and trip the fuc out from 5x and another might not that hard from 20x
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wtf i thought you said saliva
what the hell is salvia?
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On February 10 2008 18:36 Revolt wrote:
what does x60 do? (effects)
and is x## = the amount of salvia is put in the bowl?
Dude a proper 60x+ trip could shake fundementals of someones consciousness, people can go fucking nuts on that strong a trip. Heck, 20x is sufficient to really fuck people up who arnt mentally stable.
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20x is strong, no kidding
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On February 10 2008 18:36 D10 wrote:
Damn thats insane, the deepest i hit was lsd, and that already scared the shit out of me.
Curious from shrooms tho.
shrooms > lsd.
much more fun, nicer visuals,more interesting conclusions and so on.
but plz for the love of god dont take too much for your first time.
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I had 20x once. I don't know much about synesthesia and salvia, but I'm sure that drinking vodka cocktails and smoking weed made the trip last longer or be more fucked up or something. It started with everyone just sitting quietly, waiting for me to say something, because I was the hampster, the only one doing it out of all of them at this small party... Last time, the kid went into fetal position while everyone yelled commands at him. I don't know why I agreed to do it, but whatever, you only live once. So, as they sit with their smiles looking at me waiting for me to get totally fucked up, I took puffs of the salvia. I finished the bowl alone. As I put down the bowl, it felt instantly like a gavel in a judge's hand. Everyone around me was judging me, waiting for me to crack. I yelled "WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU ALL LOOKING AT ME YOU DERIDING BASTARDS" and everyone just laughed. As they laughed, I tried to breathe, but it felt like the air was made out of lego pieces, literally. When I inhaled, it didn't come in small molecules, it came in good old lego sized chunks that tasted like plastic and went down my throat with pain. Then I look around the room - everyone is in a semi circle, with me on the bed opposite the cup-shaped formation. Then I suddenly feel like they are all made out of legos, and not only that, the whole room was my mouth and they were my lego teeth. I said this to them, which of course brought more laughter. It wasn't a scary trip, just one that flipped my world upside down. Then we went downstairs and I had to have like a 5 minute conversation with a kid's mom and oh my fucking god it was difficult, then we went to play frisbee with a HUGE frisbee, around 4 feet in diameter, and I felt like I was super man because I was catching all the throws, but then I realized I was the only one jumping, everyone else was just watching and laughing. Then someone started to try shit with me and it was like a 110 lb 5'6 kid so I took him on and then all of the sudden I started losing, like getting intense amounts of pressure from above, and I yelled "WHAT THE FUCK" and looked up to see our 210 lb 6'0 volunteer fireman friend trying to pin me down. This broke my morale and I just gave up and yelled about how I got tag teamed and shit. Then my other friends came and picked me up and we smoked hookah, more weed, drank some beers, and then I passed out for about 13 hours.
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Skip the psychedelics until you've managed to grow up and broadened your view a bit, otherwise you might end up being too juvenile to handle what you experience.
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On February 10 2008 16:16 MarklarMarklar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2008 15:39 BaDayOri wrote:On February 10 2008 15:34 mahnini wrote:
arrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeee yooooooooouuuuuuuuu surrrrrrrreeeeeeeeee? i hate youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu T T On February 10 2008 15:38 MarklarMarklar wrote:On February 10 2008 15:28 LumberJack wrote:
wow... ive never done drugs in my life, and i definitely dont see how people would ever want to. thats fucking crazy dude... Im glad you're alive though :| I realised i had been taking slightly shorter steps with my left leg for my entire life when i took mushrooms for the third time, that was a pretty great discovery. Knocking your concious out of its normal pattern can really help to put things into perspective, salvia is absolutely not good for that tho.. when you do shrooms are you actually aware of your surroundings and able to control yourself like when your high or drunk? or is it like salvia where your body is doing something of its own and your mind is someplace else You are aware on shrooms and acid, you normally have sufficient logical thinking to make quite good decisions. Not as good as when you are drunk and stoned tho... You also have a hard time concentrating on a thought. You might just forget what you were talking about in the middle of a sentence because your mind is just super creative and has little ability to focus on one thing, your mind drifts like never before... It of course depends on how much you take and if you take shrooms with other people, ive taken 5.5 grams of dry shrooms ( super trip) alone. That was insane. If you're alone you get stronger visuals and you kind of drift into a world of your own unlike when you trip with others. Here is some stuff about that trip: The floor was dripping upwards and the dots on my dotted shirt were all eyeballs blinking at me, then when i laid down in my bed and looked up at the lamp in the ceiling there was a lizard there with a eyeball in its mouth, trying to communicate with me ( yes i was close to talking to an object of my imagination) was a pretty insane trip, its funnier when i look back on it. At the time it was somewhat frightening, and I was just 17...
Just make sure ur careful if you do them. Just because you won't be running around doesnt mean they arent dangerous. Learn about proper doses from your dealer and shit, and dont use shrooms with alcohol and you should be okay. Like he said, shroom isn't weed or alcohol, so you gotta be aware of the differences going into it, one being that you can actually OD on shrooms. Not to scare you or anything, shrooms are mad fun =d
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On February 10 2008 21:10 HiTexas wrote:
20x is strong, no kidding
20x is for pussies!
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Calgary25980 Posts
The leaves are 1x. Sometimes the active ingredient is extracted and sold separately, like in a powder. So 20x is 20 times more potent.
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On February 10 2008 16:01 Krohm wrote:
I've done Salvia once and nothing happened to me. But I was already drunk, and completely ripped off ecstasy.
Anyways, nice read. A friend of mine had a similar experience when he did it. He hallucinated being in a psychiatric hospital, and there was a group of doctors telling him, he went crazy. He said it felt like hours, but in reality he was only high for about 3 minutes.
BaDayOri:
Mushrooms have lots of variables. You can control yourself pretty well. But you still might "freak out", it will however be all in your mind. I've never seen anyone get physical while high on mushrooms. Don't get me wrong though, it's nothing even close to being high or drunk. It's a whole other thing on it's own.
Salvia you buy in Canadian corner stores are as potent as dandelions, maybe even less. Find a dealer or grower, don't buy in-store shit. costs to much, and seems much less natural.
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This kid i knew did salvia once. After he took it everything and everyperson he saw looked like they were made out of legos 
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On February 11 2008 02:29 decafchicken wrote:This kid i knew did salvia once. After he took it everything and everyperson he saw looked like they were made out of legos
O: So I'm not the only one!
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On February 11 2008 02:33 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2008 02:29 decafchicken wrote:This kid i knew did salvia once. After he took it everything and everyperson he saw looked like they were made out of legos O: So I'm not the only one!
A friend of mine got that one too.
Only time I've tried Salvia I was already so high that the only trippin' I had was being under the impression that my arms were made out of wood. I'm gonna try some 30x soon, I'll check back with this thread!
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On February 11 2008 02:44 OctoPuSs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2008 02:33 fanatacist wrote:On February 11 2008 02:29 decafchicken wrote:This kid i knew did salvia once. After he took it everything and everyperson he saw looked like they were made out of legos O: So I'm not the only one! A friend of mine got that one too. Only time I've tried Salvia I was already so high that the only trippin' I had was being under the impression that my arms were made out of wood. I'm gonna try some 30x soon, I'll check back with this thread!
It's weird how some chemical can create such a distinct illusion in people. Like, if we didn't invent legos, what would we feel or compare it to? Or is that how legos were invented lol?
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lol I got crushed by a train made of colored blocks the 1st time I smoked 20x of that shit, I've done it countless time and I feel nothing beat the intensity of this drug, perhaps dissociative but it's not the same. Short-lived, scary and intense, that was a salvia trip.
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why would you even smoke that shit
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On February 11 2008 05:54 ilj.psa wrote:
why would you even smoke that shit
Do I need to say the obvious?
To escape reality, have some fun, live a little adventurously in one of man's final frontiers, which is drugs and how fucked up they can make you for a short period of time?
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Jesus, your friends are supposed to take care of you. You are very lucky you didn't fall down the stairs and break yourself. I have never done salvia but a bunch of people I know have "broken through" on it and it is scary to think what they would do if we weren't there. My one friend actually tried to climb out a window of my friends third story apartment and we obviously stopped him and held him back until he was calmed down.
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On February 11 2008 06:04 bdams19 wrote:
Jesus, your friends are supposed to take care of you. You are very lucky you didn't fall down the stairs and break yourself. I have never done salvia but a bunch of people I know have "broken through" on it and it is scary to think what they would do if we weren't there. My one friend actually tried to climb out a window of my friends third story apartment and we obviously stopped him and held him back until he was calmed down.
The flaw in your plan is that everyone else is high at this point too lol. Or at least that's how it is in most cases.
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On February 11 2008 05:58 fanatacist wrote:Do I need to say the obvious? To escape reality, have some fun, live a little adventurously in one of man's final frontiers, which is drugs and how fucked up they can make you for a short period of time?
well i dont do drugs and dont recommend to do it , but if you are into this at least do pot or the basic ones instead of doing a drug that would leave you fucked up and traumatized for weeks -_-
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On February 11 2008 06:11 ilj.psa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2008 05:58 fanatacist wrote:On February 11 2008 05:54 ilj.psa wrote:
why would you even smoke that shit Do I need to say the obvious? To escape reality, have some fun, live a little adventurously in one of man's final frontiers, which is drugs and how fucked up they can make you for a short period of time? well i dont do drugs and dont recommend to do it , but if you are into this at least do pot or the basic ones instead of doing a drug that would leave you fucked up and traumatized for weeks -_-
yea my trip actually kinda traumatized me a bit..really weird
On February 11 2008 06:04 bdams19 wrote:
Jesus, your friends are supposed to take care of you. You are very lucky you didn't fall down the stairs and break yourself. I have never done salvia but a bunch of people I know have "broken through" on it and it is scary to think what they would do if we weren't there. My one friend actually tried to climb out a window of my friends third story apartment and we obviously stopped him and held him back until he was calmed down.
well me and my friends were all sitting on the couch and i got up by myself and started walking around..and then when i bolted out the door, it was completely out of nowhere so they coudlnt reach me in time but one friend chased after me yelling my name and brought me back inside
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On February 11 2008 06:11 ilj.psa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2008 05:58 fanatacist wrote:On February 11 2008 05:54 ilj.psa wrote:
why would you even smoke that shit Do I need to say the obvious? To escape reality, have some fun, live a little adventurously in one of man's final frontiers, which is drugs and how fucked up they can make you for a short period of time? well i dont do drugs and dont recommend to do it , but if you are into this at least do pot or the basic ones instead of doing a drug that would leave you fucked up and traumatized for weeks -_-
If you don't do it how can you pass judgement on things you don't know about, or know about only from people's stories?
Whoever said anyone was getting traumatized for weeks here? I sure wasn't lol.
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traumatized for a few hours..lol
bottom line is..weed is the best
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i had no idea what salvia would do when i first smoked it. I really wish i had tryed it in a more suitable location, cause i was half way down a black diamond run on my board at the time. Trippy like you wouldn't believe. I've done it like 4 times since, but I don't know if I'll do it again. Defiantly something you try every 6 months or so.
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On February 11 2008 21:55 KingFool wrote:
i had no idea what salvia would do when i first smoked it. I really wish i had tryed it in a more suitable location, cause i was half way down a black diamond run on my board at the time. Trippy like you wouldn't believe. I've done it like 4 times since, but I don't know if I'll do it again. Defiantly something you try every 6 months or so.
Doing drugs while you're snowboarding is the shit, I bake and board almost exclusively now. Trying to do tricks is fun as hell, and cutting people off and tackling one another and just laughing in the snow for a long ass time. Another fun thing is to go down sitting on your board down a double green or a blue or something, people around you start getting pissed and it's really fun until you start going too fast and have to fall down or something. Great times though.
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On February 11 2008 23:38 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2008 21:55 KingFool wrote:
i had no idea what salvia would do when i first smoked it. I really wish i had tryed it in a more suitable location, cause i was half way down a black diamond run on my board at the time. Trippy like you wouldn't believe. I've done it like 4 times since, but I don't know if I'll do it again. Defiantly something you try every 6 months or so. Doing drugs while you're snowboarding is the shit, I bake and board almost exclusively now. Trying to do tricks is fun as hell, and cutting people off and tackling one another and just laughing in the snow for a long ass time. Another fun thing is to go down sitting on your board down a double green or a blue or something, people around you start getting pissed and it's really fun until you start going too fast and have to fall down or something. Great times though.
hahaa soiunds like fun
i was going to ttry that.. but...
not bud with me at the time
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In response to the OP: both my salvia trips are really similar to yours in that I had the distinct impression that there is some entity out there who can control (and fuck with) everything at will. Worse still, I felt with my entire being that this entity was utterly malevolent.
My first trip was the most powerful, and it sent me utterly out of my mind. One minute sitting in a chair, alone in my room, the next minute I am in another reality, completely unaware I had taken a drug.
The first thing I noticed was that I was getting smashed repeatedly. It was as if I were the inside edge of a door, and the door kept slamming shut (it was a refrigerator door, for some reason.) I became aware of other beings who were being smashed repeatedly too. They were strange, irregularly shaped cone beings, and they were giggling wildly as they were getting smashed. But all I could feel was utter terror and horrible, shredding, grinding pain all over my body.
I would try to get up and move so I would stop being smashed, but some force (the entity?) kept shoving me back into place, so I would be smashed again and again. It just repeated over and over, and it hurt so much. I knew this would go on for an eternity.
I had Tool on the stereo, and Maynard (the singer) began talking to me, telling me I could never go back to my reality, that it was utterly hollow and fake. I became aware of millions of beings looking at me - I was in the center of some stadium or something - and they could look into my soul. I was utterly naked, just pure fear. I could see my whole life and my whole world were fake, like the set of a sitcom after the actors have left the set and the lighting has been shut off.
Finally I was able to move my body, so I got up (I had fallen onto my floor - my chair was completely tipped over in the opposite direction, and I have no idea how any of that happened - and ran out of my room. I tried to explain to my Mom, who had no idea what I had been doing, that I had been the essence of being smashed. I was speaking like a crazy person.
After the trip started to subside, I felt like an evil dimension was emanating from my right side.
The trip was pure horror.
After several years of reflecting upon it, I think it was a sort of allegory referring to modern machine societies, in which we are like little cogs in the machine. Our lives are utterly mediated. We are disconnected from the cycles of the universe (the real world, if you will) and live in plastic, artificial, highly controlled worlds, dominated by bosses, laws, television, bureaucracy. The malevolent force I felt was that of society, the evil currents running through society that lead sane and good people to be evil - like the Nazi Germans or present day Americans.
The experiences gained through salvia can be immensely difficult and painful. I don't recommend this drug to anyone. Far better is wisdom gained through hardwork and deep extended contemplation.
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salvia's nothing -_-
i should elaborate. salvia makes you feel heavy and slow for about 3 minutes. your mind starts to wander through blank space and you can't think about anything really. it's almost like what you would feel after a few hours of meditation.
i've smoked salvia something like 5 times and honestly it's a waste of money. who here's tried acid? there's something that will put you in your place.
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Meta, you obviously didn't get off on it (and that is arguably a good thing). Salvia is known to be one of the most potent mind altering drugs, considerably more so than LSD. By all means, research it.
What you describe is more like the come-down phase of the trip. Sounds like you just got the after-effect without the trip.
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Salvia is certainly more powerful than LSD. The mind-boggling bizareness of a trip is immensely difficult to put into words. I think salvia can be easier to take though, because of its short duration. When an LSD trip goes bad, you could be stuck there for 8 hours -_-
Your trip, Inky, sounds like one of the most profound I've heard of.
I also wanted to say that my friend had the same experience of everything being made of legos. His friend threw a pillow at him, which felt hard, and it shattered into individual lego blocks when it hit him.
Anyway, just remember that mushrooms are the way to go kids
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Posted it in the high thread, but ill drop it here too:
What can I expect from acid? I plan on taking it when I go to Bonaroo in the summer ._. Ive taken shrooms a bunch of time and Im comfortable with them. Is it more visual or mental high?
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Ya salvia is fun. I did 40x with some friends in a two story apartment. I took a couple hits outta pipe, almost felt like a pot high for a bit and then I got super tunnel vision, and could feel my body/soul/existence fall through the floors while seeing the roof, pass by me. Like I just somehow became translucent and fell right through. I was tryin to explain to my friends while it was happening, HAHA. Couldn't say anything
Shrooms & LSD are great, a nice voyage. I personally enjoy shrooms more. For anyone curious go to www.erowid.org. Seriously, any drug choice should be accompanied by knowledge of it. Respect the substance and the power that it can relay to you.
But overall most intense was 600mg of DXM. It ended up being 40 liquid gels. MAKE SURE IT DOES NOT HAVE ACETAMINOPHEN or any other active ingredient.
There was a sense of body into one sense of consciousness, no real feeling of limbs/hands/extremities. Near death experiences (I was ready to die almost, comfortable with the fact that it could happen at any time) Had a "rolling into ones mind" feeling. Sorta like tunnel vision, but my sense of sight went deeper into me instead of just front of face. Breathing was intense and almost euphoric, (kinda like eating while high, or menthol while rolling). No motivation to move, double vision with huge CEV's, many voices and auditory hallucinations. A mental shut down sorta like a K-hole. Almost a spiritual experiences with being able to feel feelings and emotions as concrete "waves". I could see them coming, then when they contacted my body, I would experience the emotion/feeling (wether it be pain, discomfort, or whatever). and once they passed through my body, the feeling would be gone....
IN..FUCKING...TENSE. Nothing compared to shrooms/LSD.
Whats with the legal drugs being the ones that distort reality so much more than illegal substance?!.....
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On February 12 2008 02:41 Hawk wrote:
Posted it in the high thread, but ill drop it here too:
What can I expect from acid? I plan on taking it when I go to Bonaroo in the summer ._. Ive taken shrooms a bunch of time and Im comfortable with them. Is it more visual or mental high?
LSD is more intense than shrooms, and it lasts longer. I find it to be much more intense mentally, though in a different way. I become primal, less aware of myself when I'm on mushrooms, where as Acid puts me into a deep introspection.
The visuals on Acid are very intense. THe things are there just the same, but patterns move and constantly rearrange themselves, you feel as though looking at something you can just keep looking deeper and seeing more (it's hard to explain). Everything is difficult to express in language.
There's a strong possiblity that Time will take on a very different meaning, in a way I simply can't explain. You might also have very visual experiences with music.
It's definitely worth doing, though I would have trouble handlign it at a concert. It depends on who's playing really.
Also, Acid trips are as different as the people who take them, so what I've said here might be absolutely not what you experience
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By the way, you lucky bastard going to Bonnaroo. I should really try to make it out there this year. BB King and the Allman Brothers. Hellz yeah, old school style :O
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I think as long as I do them while Willie or allman is on, I should be ok =p
I was itially worried about hte big setting (most I did shrooms was with 8 ppl tripping and 2 sitters) but I've really never had a problem. I think since it's music and there's undoubtably gonna be a lot of stoned ass hippies, Ill fit right in ahha
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You'll probably be okay. If there's a public place to trip, Bonaroo is it.
It would probably be good though to have a sober friend while you're tripping
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Yeah, at least one of us will be sober, or mildly sober (as in, just drinking a lil).
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My honest opinion: tripping is not a way to party. It is an intense spiritual voyage that can be extremely dark or extremely bright depending on many factors. In other words, concerts and psychedelics = NO. Just my opinion. Do what works for you.
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I kind of wonder if some of those dark visions have truth in them.
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On February 12 2008 01:35 nA.Inky wrote:
In response to the OP: both my salvia trips are really similar to yours in that I had the distinct impression that there is some entity out there who can control (and fuck with) everything at will. Worse still, I felt with my entire being that this entity was utterly malevolent.
My first trip was the most powerful, and it sent me utterly out of my mind. One minute sitting in a chair, alone in my room, the next minute I am in another reality, completely unaware I had taken a drug.
The first thing I noticed was that I was getting smashed repeatedly. It was as if I were the inside edge of a door, and the door kept slamming shut (it was a refrigerator door, for some reason.) I became aware of other beings who were being smashed repeatedly too. They were strange, irregularly shaped cone beings, and they were giggling wildly as they were getting smashed. But all I could feel was utter terror and horrible, shredding, grinding pain all over my body.
I would try to get up and move so I would stop being smashed, but some force (the entity?) kept shoving me back into place, so I would be smashed again and again. It just repeated over and over, and it hurt so much. I knew this would go on for an eternity.
I had Tool on the stereo, and Maynard (the singer) began talking to me, telling me I could never go back to my reality, that it was utterly hollow and fake. I became aware of millions of beings looking at me - I was in the center of some stadium or something - and they could look into my soul. I was utterly naked, just pure fear. I could see my whole life and my whole world were fake, like the set of a sitcom after the actors have left the set and the lighting has been shut off.
Finally I was able to move my body, so I got up (I had fallen onto my floor - my chair was completely tipped over in the opposite direction, and I have no idea how any of that happened - and ran out of my room. I tried to explain to my Mom, who had no idea what I had been doing, that I had been the essence of being smashed. I was speaking like a crazy person.
After the trip started to subside, I felt like an evil dimension was emanating from my right side.
The trip was pure horror.
After several years of reflecting upon it, I think it was a sort of allegory referring to modern machine societies, in which we are like little cogs in the machine. Our lives are utterly mediated. We are disconnected from the cycles of the universe (the real world, if you will) and live in plastic, artificial, highly controlled worlds, dominated by bosses, laws, television, bureaucracy. The malevolent force I felt was that of society, the evil currents running through society that lead sane and good people to be evil - like the Nazi Germans or present day Americans.
The experiences gained through salvia can be immensely difficult and painful. I don't recommend this drug to anyone. Far better is wisdom gained through hardwork and deep extended contemplation.
i think its a bad idea to overanalize the experiences that happened to you with reality or try to interpret them, you were high dude.
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On February 12 2008 06:04 ilj.psa wrote:
i think its a bad idea to overanalize the experiences that happened to you with reality or try to interpret them, you were high dude.
I think you're completely wrong. Yes you're high, and no your vision while you're high aren't prescient and aren't special. You have to take a few steps back from the significance you attached to them while you were high, but they're certainly capable of helping you see things differently. In fact, they're really really good at that. Only with a drug that powerful can you see the world from an entirely different perspective, and that's an experience you should analyze to its fullest, because in analyzing how things were different, you gain a deep understanding of how you think when you're not high.
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nigganig baked witffffff ak 47 plow plow tat tat
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On February 12 2008 03:15 Hawk wrote:
I think as long as I do them while Willie or allman is on, I should be ok =p
I was itially worried about hte big setting (most I did shrooms was with 8 ppl tripping and 2 sitters) but I've really never had a problem. I think since it's music and there's undoubtably gonna be a lot of stoned ass hippies, Ill fit right in ahha
I wouldn't actually recommend doing your first acid trip in anything less than a setting you're completely comfortable with.
I really, really wouldn't.
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On February 12 2008 03:25 nA.Inky wrote:
My honest opinion: tripping is not a way to party. It is an intense spiritual voyage that can be extremely dark or extremely bright depending on many factors. In other words, concerts and psychedelics = NO. Just my opinion. Do what works for you.
Somebody clearly doesn't dance
Ketamine and LSD are awesome for dancing. 2cb too.
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On February 12 2008 09:46 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 03:15 Hawk wrote:
I think as long as I do them while Willie or allman is on, I should be ok =p
I was itially worried about hte big setting (most I did shrooms was with 8 ppl tripping and 2 sitters) but I've really never had a problem. I think since it's music and there's undoubtably gonna be a lot of stoned ass hippies, Ill fit right in ahha I wouldn't actually recommend doing your first acid trip in anything less than a setting you're completely comfortable with. I really, really wouldn't.
I think an experienced mushroom tripper will probably find it easier to adjust to a less than comfortable trip setting. There are skills you gain from tripping (how to keep it a good trip and stay chill mainly) that apply to pretty much any drug (I actually have to use tripping skills when I smoke weed, believe it or not)
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I don't get why people do Salvia.
Nobody I know has GOOD stories from it. DMT is way better. More intense, more enlightening, less forceful.
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On February 12 2008 02:15 Meta wrote:
i've smoked salvia something like 5 times and honestly it's a waste of money. who here's tried acid? there's something that will put you in your place.
Salvia is significantly more powerful and intense.
Acid's pretty tame.
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On February 12 2008 06:04 ilj.psa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 01:35 nA.Inky wrote:
In response to the OP: both my salvia trips are really similar to yours in that I had the distinct impression that there is some entity out there who can control (and fuck with) everything at will. Worse still, I felt with my entire being that this entity was utterly malevolent.
My first trip was the most powerful, and it sent me utterly out of my mind. One minute sitting in a chair, alone in my room, the next minute I am in another reality, completely unaware I had taken a drug.
The first thing I noticed was that I was getting smashed repeatedly. It was as if I were the inside edge of a door, and the door kept slamming shut (it was a refrigerator door, for some reason.) I became aware of other beings who were being smashed repeatedly too. They were strange, irregularly shaped cone beings, and they were giggling wildly as they were getting smashed. But all I could feel was utter terror and horrible, shredding, grinding pain all over my body.
I would try to get up and move so I would stop being smashed, but some force (the entity?) kept shoving me back into place, so I would be smashed again and again. It just repeated over and over, and it hurt so much. I knew this would go on for an eternity.
I had Tool on the stereo, and Maynard (the singer) began talking to me, telling me I could never go back to my reality, that it was utterly hollow and fake. I became aware of millions of beings looking at me - I was in the center of some stadium or something - and they could look into my soul. I was utterly naked, just pure fear. I could see my whole life and my whole world were fake, like the set of a sitcom after the actors have left the set and the lighting has been shut off.
Finally I was able to move my body, so I got up (I had fallen onto my floor - my chair was completely tipped over in the opposite direction, and I have no idea how any of that happened - and ran out of my room. I tried to explain to my Mom, who had no idea what I had been doing, that I had been the essence of being smashed. I was speaking like a crazy person.
After the trip started to subside, I felt like an evil dimension was emanating from my right side.
The trip was pure horror.
After several years of reflecting upon it, I think it was a sort of allegory referring to modern machine societies, in which we are like little cogs in the machine. Our lives are utterly mediated. We are disconnected from the cycles of the universe (the real world, if you will) and live in plastic, artificial, highly controlled worlds, dominated by bosses, laws, television, bureaucracy. The malevolent force I felt was that of society, the evil currents running through society that lead sane and good people to be evil - like the Nazi Germans or present day Americans.
The experiences gained through salvia can be immensely difficult and painful. I don't recommend this drug to anyone. Far better is wisdom gained through hardwork and deep extended contemplation. i think its a bad idea to overanalize the experiences that happened to you with reality or try to interpret them, you were high dude.
Amusing that somebody who admittedly has no experience with drugs is so vocal about what is and is not a bad idea.
What makes you such an authority?
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On February 12 2008 08:41 GeneralStan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 06:04 ilj.psa wrote:
i think its a bad idea to overanalize the experiences that happened to you with reality or try to interpret them, you were high dude. I think you're completely wrong. Yes you're high, and no your vision while you're high aren't prescient and aren't special. You have to take a few steps back from the significance you attached to them while you were high, but they're certainly capable of helping you see things differently. In fact, they're really really good at that. Only with a drug that powerful can you see the world from an entirely different perspective, and that's an experience you should analyze to its fullest, because in analyzing how things were different, you gain a deep understanding of how you think when you're not high.
i agree you get to see the different perspective of the world through the eyes of a crackhead high on drugs and you should analize it because when your brain is tripping is a meaningful time to re-evaluate your life
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On February 11 2008 01:29 Steelflight-Rx wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2008 16:16 MarklarMarklar wrote:On February 10 2008 15:39 BaDayOri wrote:On February 10 2008 15:34 mahnini wrote:
arrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeee yooooooooouuuuuuuuu surrrrrrrreeeeeeeeee? i hate youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu T T On February 10 2008 15:38 MarklarMarklar wrote:On February 10 2008 15:28 LumberJack wrote:
wow... ive never done drugs in my life, and i definitely dont see how people would ever want to. thats fucking crazy dude... Im glad you're alive though :| I realised i had been taking slightly shorter steps with my left leg for my entire life when i took mushrooms for the third time, that was a pretty great discovery. Knocking your concious out of its normal pattern can really help to put things into perspective, salvia is absolutely not good for that tho.. when you do shrooms are you actually aware of your surroundings and able to control yourself like when your high or drunk? or is it like salvia where your body is doing something of its own and your mind is someplace else You are aware on shrooms and acid, you normally have sufficient logical thinking to make quite good decisions. Not as good as when you are drunk and stoned tho... You also have a hard time concentrating on a thought. You might just forget what you were talking about in the middle of a sentence because your mind is just super creative and has little ability to focus on one thing, your mind drifts like never before... It of course depends on how much you take and if you take shrooms with other people, ive taken 5.5 grams of dry shrooms ( super trip) alone. That was insane. If you're alone you get stronger visuals and you kind of drift into a world of your own unlike when you trip with others. Here is some stuff about that trip: The floor was dripping upwards and the dots on my dotted shirt were all eyeballs blinking at me, then when i laid down in my bed and looked up at the lamp in the ceiling there was a lizard there with a eyeball in its mouth, trying to communicate with me ( yes i was close to talking to an object of my imagination) was a pretty insane trip, its funnier when i look back on it. At the time it was somewhat frightening, and I was just 17... Just make sure ur careful if you do them. Just because you won't be running around doesnt mean they arent dangerous. Learn about proper doses from your dealer and shit, and dont use shrooms with alcohol and you should be okay. Like he said, shroom isn't weed or alcohol, so you gotta be aware of the differences going into it, one being that you can actually OD on shrooms. Not to scare you or anything, shrooms are mad fun =d
Dealers don't know anything about the drugs they are selling. Why should they?
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On February 12 2008 09:51 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:
I don't get why people do Salvia.
Nobody I know has GOOD stories from it. DMT is way better. More intense, more enlightening, less forceful.
Interestingly, I've heard nothing but stories that really make me want to avoid DMT. Disassociation, out of body and most often intensely Dysphoric visions. I've heard many a DMT tripper say taht they felt ready to die (although not a standardly suicidal way, just . . . resigned)
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On February 12 2008 09:54 ilj.psa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 08:41 GeneralStan wrote:On February 12 2008 06:04 ilj.psa wrote:
i think its a bad idea to overanalize the experiences that happened to you with reality or try to interpret them, you were high dude. I think you're completely wrong. Yes you're high, and no your vision while you're high aren't prescient and aren't special. You have to take a few steps back from the significance you attached to them while you were high, but they're certainly capable of helping you see things differently. In fact, they're really really good at that. Only with a drug that powerful can you see the world from an entirely different perspective, and that's an experience you should analyze to its fullest, because in analyzing how things were different, you gain a deep understanding of how you think when you're not high. i agree you get to see the different perspective of the world through the eyes of a crackhead high on drugs and you should analize it because when your brain is tripping is a meaningful time to evaluate how your life
Please explain how salvia and crack are anything similar?
Please explain why virtually any experience isn't worth analyzing and thinking over? Sure, it can be taken too far but that doesn't make it not worthwhile.
And again, please tell me what makes you such an authority on drugs, life and psychoanalysis. I'm quite curious.
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On February 12 2008 09:54 ilj.psa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 08:41 GeneralStan wrote:On February 12 2008 06:04 ilj.psa wrote:
i think its a bad idea to overanalize the experiences that happened to you with reality or try to interpret them, you were high dude. I think you're completely wrong. Yes you're high, and no your vision while you're high aren't prescient and aren't special. You have to take a few steps back from the significance you attached to them while you were high, but they're certainly capable of helping you see things differently. In fact, they're really really good at that. Only with a drug that powerful can you see the world from an entirely different perspective, and that's an experience you should analyze to its fullest, because in analyzing how things were different, you gain a deep understanding of how you think when you're not high. i agree you get to see the different perspective of the world through the eyes of a crackhead high on drugs and you should analize it because when your brain is tripping is a meaningful time to re-evaluate your life
I'm not even sure what you'er asying here.
But I will say, on the influence of the drug is a bad time to analyze it, after the effect subsides is when something valuable can be gained (See Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band)
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On February 12 2008 09:56 GeneralStan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 09:51 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:
I don't get why people do Salvia.
Nobody I know has GOOD stories from it. DMT is way better. More intense, more enlightening, less forceful. Interestingly, I've heard nothing but stories that really make me want to avoid DMT. Disassociation, out of body and most often intensely Dysphoric visions. I've heard many a DMT tripper say taht they felt ready to die (although not a standardly suicidal way, just . . . resigned)
It's not something one would do for fun. It's a very spiritual experience. Considering what the human body uses DMT for and all
And disassociation and out of body experiences are necessarily a bad thing. It isn't something I'd recommend to somebody inexperienced or without somebody experienced with them. And if you're just looking for fun, I wouldn't recommend it either.
But then again, it's not really one of those drugs you just come across at a party either.
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On February 12 2008 09:51 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:
I don't get why people do Salvia.
Nobody I know has GOOD stories from it. DMT is way better. More intense, more enlightening, less forceful.
I've actually had very good experiences with it. The first time was a bit odd (the world was made of straws, and white picket fences), but every time after that, I've felt a phenomenal sense of connection to the world, and afterwards for at least 12 hours, I get an afterglow that works better as an anti-depressant for me than did Prozac
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On February 12 2008 09:58 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 09:56 GeneralStan wrote:On February 12 2008 09:51 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:
I don't get why people do Salvia.
Nobody I know has GOOD stories from it. DMT is way better. More intense, more enlightening, less forceful. Interestingly, I've heard nothing but stories that really make me want to avoid DMT. Disassociation, out of body and most often intensely Dysphoric visions. I've heard many a DMT tripper say taht they felt ready to die (although not a standardly suicidal way, just . . . resigned) It's not something one would do for fun. It's a very spiritual experience. Considering what the human body uses DMT for and all And disassociation and out of body experiences are necessarily a bad thing. It isn't something I'd recommend to somebody inexperienced or without somebody experienced with them. And if you're just looking for fun, I wouldn't recommend it either. But then again, it's not really one of those drugs you just come across at a party either.
It's one of those drugs 18 year olds buy from Walgreen's because it's legal, and they have NO idea what they're getting themselves into.
I agree that disassociation and out of body isn't necessarily bad.
I've done Mushrooms, LSD, Salvia and (stoopidly) aerosol. How does DMT compare?
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What? DMT isn't legal.
And how does it compare? It's arguably the most powerful hallucinogen on the planet. It doesn't compare.
As far as good experience on Salvia goes, sounds like 5x or lower. My only good experiences have been on that. Otherwise you basically just have the universe fucking you through your ear
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On February 12 2008 10:04 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:What? DMT isn't legal. And how does it compare? It's arguably the most powerful hallucinogen on the planet. It doesn't compare. As far as good experience on Salvia goes, sounds like 5x or lower. My only good experiences have been on that. Otherwise you basically just have the universe fucking you through your ear
Yeah, it's pretty intense. By the way, I was totally thinking of DXM, the ingredient in cough syrup, which is a powerful disassociative and one that doesn't strike me as at all a good time (still beats nutmeg though)
I sort of want to try DMT now. I remember reading about it now. There's a grass which you can brew concentrate from.
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On February 12 2008 10:07 GeneralStan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 10:04 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:What? DMT isn't legal. And how does it compare? It's arguably the most powerful hallucinogen on the planet. It doesn't compare. As far as good experience on Salvia goes, sounds like 5x or lower. My only good experiences have been on that. Otherwise you basically just have the universe fucking you through your ear Yeah, it's pretty intense. By the way, I was totally thinking of DXM, the ingredient in cough syrup, which is a powerful disassociative and one that doesn't strike me as at all a good time (still beats nutmeg though) I sort of want to try DMT now. I remember reading about it now. There's a grass which you can brew concentrate from.
Phalaris Grass.
Can also make Ayahuasca tea
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And now I head on over to Erowid ^^
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Joe Rogan (of all people) has some very interesting things to say about DMT and psychadelics in general.
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On February 12 2008 09:56 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 09:54 ilj.psa wrote:On February 12 2008 08:41 GeneralStan wrote:On February 12 2008 06:04 ilj.psa wrote:
i think its a bad idea to overanalize the experiences that happened to you with reality or try to interpret them, you were high dude. I think you're completely wrong. Yes you're high, and no your vision while you're high aren't prescient and aren't special. You have to take a few steps back from the significance you attached to them while you were high, but they're certainly capable of helping you see things differently. In fact, they're really really good at that. Only with a drug that powerful can you see the world from an entirely different perspective, and that's an experience you should analyze to its fullest, because in analyzing how things were different, you gain a deep understanding of how you think when you're not high. i agree you get to see the different perspective of the world through the eyes of a crackhead high on drugs and you should analize it because when your brain is tripping is a meaningful time to evaluate how your life Please explain how salvia and crack are anything similar? Please explain why virtually any experience isn't worth analyzing and thinking over? Sure, it can be taken too far but that doesn't make it not worthwhile. And again, please tell me what makes you such an authority on drugs, life and psychoanalysis. I'm quite curious.
personally, I'd like to know why he's such a tool and why he feels the need to talk out his ass about hsit he doesn't know about. Then he can answer that.
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On February 12 2008 11:31 Hawk wrote:
And DMT = K?
DMT = Dimethyltryptamine
K = Ketamine
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On February 12 2008 11:33 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:DMT = Dimethyl tryptamine K = Ketamine
Irony.
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Salvia is some pretty fucked up stuff, I've only tried weak stuff so far.
I think I might try some DMT soon that shit is also crazy
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On February 12 2008 09:54 ilj.psa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 08:41 GeneralStan wrote:On February 12 2008 06:04 ilj.psa wrote:
i think its a bad idea to overanalize the experiences that happened to you with reality or try to interpret them, you were high dude. I think you're completely wrong. Yes you're high, and no your vision while you're high aren't prescient and aren't special. You have to take a few steps back from the significance you attached to them while you were high, but they're certainly capable of helping you see things differently. In fact, they're really really good at that. Only with a drug that powerful can you see the world from an entirely different perspective, and that's an experience you should analyze to its fullest, because in analyzing how things were different, you gain a deep understanding of how you think when you're not high. i agree you get to see the different perspective of the world through the eyes of a crackhead high on drugs and you should analize it because when your brain is tripping is a meaningful time to re-evaluate your life
Dude, no
Just the fact that you just used crackhead in this shows how oblivious you are to psychedelics. Everything is meaningful when trippin, you're able to see things from an extremely "outside the box" view. and i mean...extremely.
Just imagine yourself being able to understand why everything is everything. What exactly are we doing? Why do you drive home everyday? Why do you go to school? Why do you wash your hands before you eat? I mean, they have simple answers , "bacteria, because i want to stay clean" but i mean truly and deeply why? You probably don't know as don't most of us, we're just set to autopilot all of our lives.
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On February 12 2008 09:54 ilj.psa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 08:41 GeneralStan wrote:On February 12 2008 06:04 ilj.psa wrote:
i think its a bad idea to overanalize the experiences that happened to you with reality or try to interpret them, you were high dude. I think you're completely wrong. Yes you're high, and no your vision while you're high aren't prescient and aren't special. You have to take a few steps back from the significance you attached to them while you were high, but they're certainly capable of helping you see things differently. In fact, they're really really good at that. Only with a drug that powerful can you see the world from an entirely different perspective, and that's an experience you should analyze to its fullest, because in analyzing how things were different, you gain a deep understanding of how you think when you're not high. i agree you get to see the different perspective of the world through the eyes of a crackhead high on drugs and you should analize it because when your brain is tripping is a meaningful time to re-evaluate your life
you are a fool.
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don't mean to turn this into a religion thread but ive been a christian for almost my entire life and ive been having doubts in the existence of God and so i have been skipping church service and smoking weed for the past 4 weeks.. ive been thinking about my salvia trip and the more i think about it, the more i believe that God really does exist....trippy
or maybe salvias just fuckin crazy
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Well at least ilj stfu finally.
Badayori, having a religious awakening is apparently pretty common with psychs. Never had one myself, but you can find it online.
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Hahaha Badayori, it's funny you mention that. With most of my psilocybin trips, I become closer to God and begin to have a much deeper respect for creation and life. Salvia doesn't even come close to an LSD/Cubensis trip but It's great that you're taking your experience and building from it! :thumbs up:.
No drug can be deemed good or bad, only what you take out of the experience makes it good/bad.
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Talith, that's obvious! Look at capsaicin, a purely pain-inducing drug. We willingly ingest vast quantities of it for fun, insisting that it makes food taste better!
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On February 13 2008 10:10 Talith wrote:
Hahaha Badayori, it's funny you mention that. With most of my psilocybin trips, I become closer to God and begin to have a much deeper respect for creation and life. Salvia doesn't even come close to an LSD/Cubensis trip but It's great that you're taking your experience and building from it! :thumbs up:.
No drug can be deemed good or bad, only what you take out of the experience makes it good/bad.
I'm pretty sure that Datura is the source of all evil.
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Hahah never tried, how are the effects Sir Freak?
and lol @ BottleAbuser, so true! ^_^; I was referring to people that label drugs right away, and not so much towards chemical compounds that are naturally found in edible/non-hallucinogenic plants. Even chocolate has a compound which almost resembles that of 2cb besides the fact that enzymes absorb the compound before too much can be absorbed into the brain.
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Talith, Datura is a very dangerous - potentially deadly - deliriant/hallucinogen.
In most people, it seems to bring on very frightening hallucinations.
Here it is worth distinguishing between the word hallucination and illusion. Psychedelics such as LSD and psilocybin primarily bring on illusions, which are changes in perception that are obviously not real. IE you might see the walls bending towards you or see pictures become animated, but you realize the whole time that these things aren't "really" happening. With a hallucination, you see things that aren't there, but you BELIEVE they are real. Hence the term "hallucinogen" being a misnomer for most "psychedelic" (psychedelic means "mind manifesting," by the way) drugs.
Datura is a hallucinogen. It seems to drive people bonkers, and because it is poisonous, it can kill you. The real danger lies in thinking you didn't take enough to "get off" (it takes awhile to kick in") and then taking more, ending up in overdose land.
Look it up on wikipedia - it is pretty interesting to read historical accounts of its use.
It is also known as Jimsom (or Jimson?) Weed. Stupid kids sometimes take it for a cheap high, since it grows wildly.
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In response to some other posts, I think "trip" experiences can be very relevant to "real life."
First of all, this whole discussion calls into question what is real. What is real? What is real is what we experience as being real. We make a big fuss about citing scientific sources and looking to scientists and science to tell us what is real and how reality works, but even science is based on perception - the perception of scientists.
Reality boils down to perception. Are you so sure that the way you see things is the way they are?
Another good question: do multiple people have to perceive the same thing for a given phenomenon to be "real" or "true?" If so, how can we be sure that multiple people really perceive the same thing? Can something be real or true if only one person perceives it?
Anyhow, I believe "altered" states can shed light on reality. I don't endorse the use of psychedelics for this end, nor can I really say I am against it. I've taken trips before (my salvia report in this thread being an example of one.)
Where I stand is basically this: kids should not use these drugs. You should wait until you have some life experiences before you go jumping off into psychedelics worlds. Furthermore, these drugs are not party drugs. These aren't for a "good time." They are very serious and they can throw your entire sense of everything into question, which can be both very beneficial and very horrifying/damaging.
Last of all, it is foolish to rely on drugs as a way to become wise or enlightened. Drugs like psilocybin can, as I said, shed light on certain things, but it is up to you to do the work to make the experience meaningful, and to apply the wisdom in the sober state (which absolutely should be the baseline state - shouldn't get high often at all, IMO). I've known many people who have tripped many times and are just as foolish and narrowminded as anyone else - sometimes more so. Look at the 60's revolution. Don't see a whole lot of enlightenment there... just a bunch of people who had a hell of a party for a few years and sold out a few years later, becoming the big businessmen under the Reagan era. So much for all that enlightenment...
Conversely,you look at people who spend their lives in deep, sober contemplation, and there you see wisdom and development. Development comes through contemplation and work. Not by dropping acid or smoking a bunch of bowls.
Drugs are very much a double edged sword. That is what I mean to say.
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Inky, I like your responses and thank you for them! In Arizona, substances as datura or dmt are pretty hard to come by. Peyote would be the closest thing I guess (besides LSD, and mushrooms), however Phoenix is known as pretty much a 'meth' city. I'll have to look that up, a lotta the more obscure plants I haven't taken the time to research them simply because I've never run into it in daily life, but it'll be a neat diversion from all the 'powders' I hear about all the time.
Datura sounds like DMT's wicked step sister almost. Are the effects comparable albeit more intense/disturbing?
Hahah, I gotta find more friends like ya!
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Talith, thank you for saying so. Happy to discuss anything.
I don't know much about datura other than people seem to usually have bad experiences with it. Also, the trip is usually not remembered, whereas there is full recall with psilocybin or LSD. I don't believe datura is similar to the alkaloid psychedelics (ie LSD, psilocybin, mescalin, DMT...)
I once read that Ken Kesey (acid guru of the 60's and writer of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest and other famous novels) had used Datura a few times. He volunteered for psychological experiments that involved various mind altering drugs. Apparently they would give him psilocybin, mescalin, LSD, or datura without telling him which drug he was going to get. He said he could always tell when he had datura, because his blanket would always turn very hot and he could feel thorns growing out of it and digging into his skin.
Incidentally, Ken Kesey developed the story of One Flew.. while working in a mental hospital at night and taking mescaline (the active in peyote).
Anyway, I've never done datura (never would, either) or DMT (probably wouldn't do DMT.) But my understanding is that the two are radically different. DMT is an alkaloid psychedelic, so it is more related to LSD, psilocybin, and mescalin. The thing with DMT is that it is known to be extremely powerful, especially when smoked. Infact, it is the strongest psychedelic drug there is, or at least in a tie with salvia. DMT, when smoked, is a full on hallucinogen, as it makes people enter a radically different world. People report experiencing strange dimensions, or communicating with utterly alien intelligences.
Terrence Mckenna reported meeting what he called "machine elves" under the influence of DMT. They were strange bouncing balls that would bounce into his body and back out again, and by singing (apparently they sang) they could call strange technologies into existence. Terrence McKenna says that the "after glow" (coming down from the trip) of a DMT trip is comparable to a 700 microgram LSD trip (an insane LSD dose). Maybe that is an indication of how powerful the drug is!
Until Timothy Leary got hold of DMT, most people seem to have reported very negative experiences with it, except, of course, the indigenous people who had been using it for shamanistic purposes for a very long time.
Anyhow, just to be clear, I really do not endorse the use of these drugs. In fact, I recommend against it. I think it is much better to find ways to enjoy yourself and gain wisdom in the sober state.
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i CANT WAIT TO SEE THIS BRO!
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Ill try LSD for the first time this weekend, wish me luck :D
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700 micrograms, WOW!! Interesting read.
and baal, enjoy! You going to do it with friends/trip setter? Let us know how ya like it!
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On February 13 2008 11:48 nA.Inky wrote:
Talith, Datura is a very dangerous - potentially deadly - deliriant/hallucinogen.
In most people, it seems to bring on very frightening hallucinations.
Here it is worth distinguishing between the word hallucination and illusion. Psychedelics such as LSD and psilocybin primarily bring on illusions, which are changes in perception that are obviously not real. IE you might see the walls bending towards you or see pictures become animated, but you realize the whole time that these things aren't "really" happening. With a hallucination, you see things that aren't there, but you BELIEVE they are real. Hence the term "hallucinogen" being a misnomer for most "psychedelic" (psychedelic means "mind manifesting," by the way) drugs.
Datura is a hallucinogen. It seems to drive people bonkers, and because it is poisonous, it can kill you. The real danger lies in thinking you didn't take enough to "get off" (it takes awhile to kick in") and then taking more, ending up in overdose land.
Look it up on wikipedia - it is pretty interesting to read historical accounts of its use.
It is also known as Jimsom (or Jimson?) Weed. Stupid kids sometimes take it for a cheap high, since it grows wildly.
so true about the difference between illusions and hallucinations...
when i smoke weed i get illusions..if its good shit
my salvia trip was total hallucination...gahhhh so tripppyyyyyyyy
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I've done DMT LSD and DOC there all very similar imo....tho LSD is more visual then the other 2
also I agree with the people who said if you younger and never done this stuff don't....it really does mess with you, Personally I don't sell it to young kids when it comes around and tell all my buddies to do the same.
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Is there such a thing as a good salvia trip?
seriously?
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Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Gggoooooooooooddd Reeeeeeeeeeaaaaaad.
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On February 14 2008 09:53 Trainwreck wrote:
I've done DMT LSD and DOC there all very similar imo....tho LSD is more visual then the other 2
also I agree with the people who said if you younger and never done this stuff don't....it really does mess with you, Personally I don't sell it to young kids when it comes around and tell all my buddies to do the same.
You're mixing DMT up with something. DMT is the most powerful hallucinogen on the planet. LSD is pretty tame.
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On February 14 2008 09:28 Talith wrote:700 micrograms, WOW!! Interesting read. and baal, enjoy! You going to do it with friends/trip setter? Let us know how ya like it!
im giong to a rave with some girl i like, she said she would take care of me so i hope to connect with her.
There is some potential to bad trip since its a crowded area and she decides not to pay a lot of attention to me, however i plan to take a small dosage first.
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ooo first rave? Ya I react better in social situations with lsd than with mushrooms so at least ya got that goin for ya haha. light shows for the win ;D. Where you live at baal?
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haha man when i did that shitt the first time me and my homies were usin a 7 foot bong so they packed it n shitfor me....little did i know.....yea i was in my own little world i didnt know wtf hit me i was like rubbing the side of his bed and people kept punching me and it woudl take me like a minute to respond to it. fuckin weird shit
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On February 15 2008 02:19 Talith wrote:
ooo first rave? Ya I react better in social situations with lsd than with mushrooms so at least ya got that goin for ya haha. light shows for the win ;D. Where you live at baal?
Not even close actually im quite a sick degenerate party monster and raves are like home however ive always been kind of afraid of hallucinogens because of possible bad trips so i avoided them in the past.
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On February 15 2008 03:27 Kingsp4de20 wrote:
haha man when i did that shitt the first time me and my homies were usin a 7 foot bong so they packed it n shitfor me....little did i know.....yea i was in my own little world i didnt know wtf hit me i was like rubbing the side of his bed and people kept punching me and it woudl take me like a minute to respond to it. fuckin weird shit
how did you even know you were getting hit and that you responded to it a minute later? my mind had absolutely no contact with my body whatsoever until i crossed the street so i probably would not have even felt the punches..or they mightve felt like bullets every time i got hit or some crazy shit like that
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On February 12 2008 03:00 GeneralStan wrote:
By the way, you lucky bastard going to Bonnaroo. I should really try to make it out there this year. BB King and the Allman Brothers. Hellz yeah, old school style :O
Yea my cousin went to Bonnaroo. He said it was one of the best experiences of his life. But hes a nut too 
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oh and nA.Inky is officially the man
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On February 14 2008 10:52 intotherainx wrote:
Is there such a thing as a good salvia trip?
seriously?
Absolutely. A couple of my friends have done salvia extensively and most of them have never had a bad trip in there life.
I tried salvia for the first time yesterday, it was only 20X but i had a terrible trip and i dont ever want to do it again. I was sitting in a really nice chair at my dealers house, took in a nice deep toke and held it in for about 30 seconds.
The best part of my trip was when i exhaled, the horizontal axis that i was looking at cut in half and the top half melted/ half turned upside down into the bottom half. A really good buddy of mine was looking at me and when i looked at him and started laughing his face melted to his hands and he turned into a bowling pin on its side. Then it turned itself upright, multiplied itself thousands of times and the room started spinning. From then on my trip was terrible.
Everything seemed to be moving at an extremely fast speed to the left and i was being pulled into another universe where i would dissapear forever, before i could fully go, my friends in the room somehow broke through this wall of moving bowling pins and they were trying to save me from being lost forever.
From there its kind of blurry, i remember thinking that i needed to cry for some reason and that i needed someone to be holding onto one of my hands for the rest of my trip. I was also wishing that somehow my skeleton would be ripped from the inside of my body so that i could see what it looked like.
And then i started to come around, i realized i had taken a hit of salvia and that i was drugged but for some reason i couldn't stop feeling extremely depressed and confused. I needed a buddy of mine to - every couple of minutes - tell me that i have a girlfriend, i'm not drugged and that i'm actually sitting where i am sitting.
Sorry if it seems really jumbled and out of place but thats what my trip was like. I know for sure that i'm not going to be doing salvia again, but i would definatly recommend it to people who would like to try it.
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you guys are crazy if this sounds like a good idea to you
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i fucking love these threads
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i just realized the salv was 20xx which means it was 31x or something? thats what my friend says
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All my salv trips were great. All I did was laugh my ass up for minutes at a time with mild hallucinations. I always did it when I was drunk & high off herb, never by itself.
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On March 07 2008 02:24 Lord)Lw( wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2008 10:52 intotherainx wrote:
Is there such a thing as a good salvia trip?
seriously? Absolutely. A couple of my friends have done salvia extensively and most of them have never had a bad trip in there life. I tried salvia for the first time yesterday, it was only 20X but i had a terrible trip and i dont ever want to do it again. I was sitting in a really nice chair at my dealers house, took in a nice deep toke and held it in for about 30 seconds. The best part of my trip was when i exhaled, the horizontal axis that i was looking at cut in half and the top half melted/ half turned upside down into the bottom half. A really good buddy of mine was looking at me and when i looked at him and started laughing his face melted to his hands and he turned into a bowling pin on its side. Then it turned itself upright, multiplied itself thousands of times and the room started spinning. From then on my trip was terrible. Everything seemed to be moving at an extremely fast speed to the left and i was being pulled into another universe where i would dissapear forever, before i could fully go, my friends in the room somehow broke through this wall of moving bowling pins and they were trying to save me from being lost forever. From there its kind of blurry, i remember thinking that i needed to cry for some reason and that i needed someone to be holding onto one of my hands for the rest of my trip. I was also wishing that somehow my skeleton would be ripped from the inside of my body so that i could see what it looked like. And then i started to come around, i realized i had taken a hit of salvia and that i was drugged but for some reason i couldn't stop feeling extremely depressed and confused. I needed a buddy of mine to - every couple of minutes - tell me that i have a girlfriend, i'm not drugged and that i'm actually sitting where i am sitting. Sorry if it seems really jumbled and out of place but thats what my trip was like. I know for sure that i'm not going to be doing salvia again, but i would definatly recommend it to people who would like to try it.
Oh my god... The story has me laughing my ass off. Wow drugs are crazy...
I really wish I wasn't such a chicken shit when it comes drugs now... I would do anything like last year.
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The best part of my trip was when i exhaled, the horizontal axis that i was looking at cut in half and the top half melted/ half turned upside down into the bottom half.
Thats the best description I've ever heard of what its like when it hits you. FUCKING strange.
For me I was looking at my friends face and his chin and eyebrows and in my periphery all other sharp horiztonal lines became a white line that extended infinitely. It wasn't doing much more so I got another hit made for me this one bigger than the first. I inhaled deeply and the last thing I remember was slowly learning further and further back whilst exhaling...
I came round on the couch a few minutes later and just as I was coming down I had this sensation of the entire universe being me trapped inbetween what I can only describe as cotten sheet coupled with the feeling you get on a round-a-bout when you go too fast and everything is whipping around you and you feel nauseous. I tried to say something but as I said it I knew it made no sense to those around me, it was a single word describing what had just happened but it felt so strange and alien to utter it, I didn't even understand how or why I had made this noise.
Apparently I had kept on leaning back whilst exhaling until I fell back on the table I was sittin on (small coffee table covered in beer cans and ash trays) which then completely collapsed with me on top of it, rolling around in the mess. Apparently I was then helped up but then fell over again and was trapped on the floor between the fireplace and the now destroyed table, rolling around trying to get up. After that was when they apparently sat me down on the couch but I felt like I had teleported and strangely enough found that the strangest thing about the whole experience - I couldn't remember a thing.
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I'm hoping someone can shed some light on my trip maybe i really don't understand what happens to me. After getting hit with the mostly unenjoyable mild effects holding in medium sized bowls and feeling like im being dragged into walls and thinking of very random things i mustered up the courage to just RIP the bong and hold it in.
I was in another world, not a human part of a quartet of shape beings they had names, i talked to them, they were strangely familiar like something from childhood that i subtly knew but never really thought much of, things in my imagination i guess.
Anyways we were under a wall, part of it too, and it was supposed to be my home and it wasn't and then all of a sudden these beings who i haven't described but were sort of like that princess from the new starwars movies, in her essence but also like a weepinbell compiled of polygons.
I was one of them but i felt like i had when i was a child. They started to ask me where i was from i knew where i was from, it was some weird word my friend/sitter said sounded like "bandongalew". And they were telling me i was to stay there with them but i wanted the HELL out, but at the time i didn't remember anyone i knew and i kept saying im from ______ im from _______! the blank is because i can't remember the word and it was inaudible to my friend. The end of the trip was brought about by my friend pulling me up off the ground it sybolized me getting out of there.
i was petrified. but my question is, has anyone heard of people bringing back new words from salvia trips? my one more enjoyable trip before the one mentioned above, included voices telling me i had to deliver some word back but i forgot that one as well.
please shed some light!!!
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Oh god, I had two horrible salvia trips while I was on vacation. I'll write about them tonight, pretty fun to think back on though.
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well anyways after i realized that i started screaming NO NO NO NO really loud and then the next thing i do is bolt out of my friends house and i run down(skipping 3 or 4 steps at a time) two flights of stairs at full speed.
I used to do this as a child. Night frights, the doctors call them... I don't think I was on Salvia though.
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On December 05 2009 05:52 meteorskunk wrote:
I'm hoping someone can shed some light on my trip maybe i really don't understand what happens to me. After getting hit with the mostly unenjoyable mild effects holding in medium sized bowls and feeling like im being dragged into walls and thinking of very random things i mustered up the courage to just RIP the bong and hold it in.
I was in another world, not a human part of a quartet of shape beings they had names, i talked to them, they were strangely familiar like something from childhood that i subtly knew but never really thought much of, things in my imagination i guess.
Anyways we were under a wall, part of it too, and it was supposed to be my home and it wasn't and then all of a sudden these beings who i haven't described but were sort of like that princess from the new starwars movies, in her essence but also like a weepinbell compiled of polygons.
I was one of them but i felt like i had when i was a child. They started to ask me where i was from i knew where i was from, it was some weird word my friend/sitter said sounded like "bandongalew". And they were telling me i was to stay there with them but i wanted the HELL out, but at the time i didn't remember anyone i knew and i kept saying im from ______ im from _______! the blank is because i can't remember the word and it was inaudible to my friend. The end of the trip was brought about by my friend pulling me up off the ground it sybolized me getting out of there.
i was petrified. but my question is, has anyone heard of people bringing back new words from salvia trips? my one more enjoyable trip before the one mentioned above, included voices telling me i had to deliver some word back but i forgot that one as well.
please shed some light!!!
Look man, you are experimenting with psychedelic drugs. Thus, all your experiences will be entirely personal. There is no way that we can relate to your thoughts while you are high on a psychedelic drug since what happens to you in that state will be a tapestry of your own thoughts and memories. Don't mess with salvia unless you are prepared for the consequences. You have to unravel the meanings behind your trip yourself.
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I've tried salvia a lot of times and it only went wrong once. Only time I interacted with "beings" was on ayahuasca.
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On December 05 2009 06:26 GunSlinger wrote:
Thus, all your experiences will be entirely personal. There is no way that we can relate to your thoughts while you are high on a psychedelic drug since what happens to you in that state will be a tapestry of your own thoughts and memories. Don't mess with salvia unless you are prepared for the consequences. You have to unravel the meanings behind your trip yourself.
I find that the more personal something feels, the more universal it really is.
But I haven't done salvia yet. So we'll see
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Salvia trips just sound like an expensive way to sleep while awake.
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On December 05 2009 06:41 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Salvia trips just sound like an expensive way to sleep while awake.
Except that dreams can usually be rationalized and explained to some degree of accuracy. It's nothing like dreaming =/
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Never tried salvia, I hear so much reports of bad trips that I'm kinda scared.
Is it any bit like LSD? I've tried LSD 4 times and they always been wonderful, no bad effects at all (except on the first time I used it, when I entered some kind of unstoppable laughing frenzy mode that I couldn't hold back at all... lasted somewhere between 10-30 minutes, the muscles of my face were completly fucked the day after, lol)
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My two experiences with salvia:
First time, I was at the slowing down of a party. I was sitting on a couch in a livingroom at my friend's house with a some booze and weed in me, but I was absolutely fine to walk home. This kid takes out his salvia again (80x). My friend Beben had tried it earlier in the "beer pong room" and what a silly mistake that was. We all fucked with him, pretending to throw him something, making him very confused then he started cracking up.
I agreed to do it, and I even told my friend to fuck with me one time so I knew what it felt like. The kid told me to me to go upstairs with him later when there were minimal people (5, 3 were close friends). He told me it is going to be intenst and you are going to see and think differently during the trip for like 5 minutes, and its going to seem longer.
I take a hit from the bowl, hold it and release. I sit back and continue the conversation with my friends like normal, but in 20 seconds there were some very intense changes that distracted me. Life before my eyes became a big spiraling web, like a wire diaphram being manipulated by sound waves passing though. For instance, my friend would talk, and his voice would make waves on the web from the source of his face.
I sit back, realizing that I am in no condition to try to play this off like I'm not twisted. I look at the guy who gave it to me and just say "I feel it". After that I had some very pleasant visualizations and subconscious epiphanys that made it absolutely euphoric for a minute or so. I remember looking at the world in third person, but I was looking at this peach and yellow landscape, glowing and full of life. The web-sound effect was still happening, keeping my brain connected with reality.
This is when my friends fucked with me.
3 of my friends jump out from behind couches and start acting like straaange animals or dinosaurs or retards or something. This made me axious and think at a mile a minute.
Internal dialogue that happened in a moment:
Is this really happening?
It's probably salvia. Just accept it, this isnt real, it will be fine if you just calm down.
But this is too real.
Are they really doing that crazy shit?
Am I crazy?
How should I ask them if this is real?
Then I figured it out. I say "Why are you doing that?" with an irritated tone. They all stop because they later told me I looked pretty sincere and didnt look like I was tripping at all. They were like stupified and said "oh.. ok." after they stopped their dumb animal reptar nonsense.
So I'm sitting there for what has felt like 20 minutes, but its only been like 3 minutes. I turn to the guy who gave me the shit and say "dude.. I think you put too much. I still feel it. You put too much man" He says "calm down, its only been a few minutes, it will go away soon."
This gave me an overwhelming sense of calm. I apologized to him a few times for being irritated, and I was trying to explain why I had reacted in such manner. I had trouble wording my thoughts. I was like "Its just that.... Its just.. You know.. Im like.. I dont know I havent done this before." The guy was like "its okay. its okay" And it really made me comfortable again. I suggest anyone who tries salvia does it not in a social setting, and with someone they trust that can comfort them they they are distressed, because it may happen.
After about 5-7 minutes total, I felt like I had smoked herb a little while ago, and this (good) feeling lasted for the rest of the night.
I wouldnt try any other psychadellic. The only reason why I tried it is because it was LEGAL at the time, and I smok herb from time to time. Throw in the fact that my friend tried it and was trying to convince me, AND I had a couple beers in me, and you got yourself a test subject. I don't regret it, and I wouldnt be against it as long as the participants and babysitters are completely responsible and in control of themselves.
EDIT: The second experience was just when a friend sprinkled some in a blunt. It made me laugh more and I had the same trouble wording my thoughts as before, but no anxiety or anything. It went away when the blunt was done.
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salvia trips are over as soon as they start there is nothing to be afraid of
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On February 12 2008 09:56 GeneralStan wrote:
Interestingly, I've heard nothing but stories that really make me want to avoid DMT. Disassociation, out of body and most often intensely Dysphoric visions. I've heard many a DMT tripper say taht they felt ready to die (although not a standardly suicidal way, just . . . resigned)
I remember reading somewhere that DMT is naturally produced by the body and is released before you die, don't know if it true or not, but it could explain your friend's feelings.
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On December 05 2009 05:52 meteorskunk wrote:
i was petrified. but my question is, has anyone heard of people bringing back new words from salvia trips? my one more enjoyable trip before the one mentioned above, included voices telling me i had to deliver some word back but i forgot that one as well.
please shed some light!!!
I've heard of this before.
Psychedelics tend to produce very strong urges. Many claim that entities or aliens of some sort are telling them to do things. The truth is most likely that these urgent thoughts begin the subconscious, but during a trip they seem tantamount. Often times, these urgent feelings come in the form of an idea that has to be remembered, or a feeling that should be preserved.
However, a specific word that has some sort of objective meaning is not unheard of. Umpsquamadic peels for instance.
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On December 05 2009 07:03 craz3d wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 09:56 GeneralStan wrote:
Interestingly, I've heard nothing but stories that really make me want to avoid DMT. Disassociation, out of body and most often intensely Dysphoric visions. I've heard many a DMT tripper say taht they felt ready to die (although not a standardly suicidal way, just . . . resigned) I remember reading somewhere that DMT is naturally produced by the body and is released before you die, don't know if it true or not, but it could explain your friend's feelings.
You're quite right. As I acknowledged earlier in the thread, I was thinking of DXM, not DMT. DMT is quite righteous by most accounts.
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On December 05 2009 07:03 craz3d wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 09:56 GeneralStan wrote:
Interestingly, I've heard nothing but stories that really make me want to avoid DMT. Disassociation, out of body and most often intensely Dysphoric visions. I've heard many a DMT tripper say taht they felt ready to die (although not a standardly suicidal way, just . . . resigned) I remember reading somewhere that DMT is naturally produced by the body and is released before you die, don't know if it true or not, but it could explain your friend's feelings.
IIRC It's released to induce dreaming every night o__o;;
I could be wrong about that, but if this is true, it would just be like a very potent dream, while conscious and able to recall it more easily. Either way, I'm very psyched to try it at some point (and I learned how to extract it, which I will try in the summer). But before that, I feel the need to try the "lighter" ones first. I made the mistake of trying Salvia before LSD, that being a very big hit that I had not expected the consequences of.
We had some 60x, and when I had smoked it for the first time, I was holding the bong by the door (we don't like to smoke inside), and I ripped it and held for about 20~ seconds, and here's where most people's stories seem to not line up with mine. I completely lost all sense of reality before 30 seconds of holding it in. My friend Marcus was in the living room (viewable by the doorway where I was) and told me later that I completely dropped like a rock. Lost all function and dropped like a dead body. I kind of remember this feeling.
After I dropped, I continued to drop through the floor, through the dimensional planes of reality and thought. I kept going and remember opening my eyes and seeing Marcus with his vidya camera smiling at me while recording. I don't know if I heard the voice or what, but the words "this is what they look like when they look at you" came into my head. From here, what was going through my mind was pure confusion.
This is what they look like when they look at you?
So this isn't my Marcus, this is just a Marcus.
What happened to my Marcus.
After that, I rolled over and saw the lines on my shirt grow and engulf my vision. It kind of felt like they were now the background of my life. I was wearing something similar to this:
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After that happened, I continued to fall into the lines and entered what can only be described as a conveyor-belt type thing, and it looked like it was almost a factory where they were producing the letter "i". I was right there where they were stamping the dot over the "i", but here is what is unexplainable. I saw this happening from every angle. From left, right, top, bottom, inside and out, I saw EVERYTHING. It's like trying to tell a blind person what the color blue looks like.
Then, this being about 5-6 minutes after the trip started, I regained consciousness and stood up, felt like I was normal again (although it was really hard to stand, and my balance was gone), and made my way towards the couch. At this point I realized that it's hot as BALLS and I'm actually sweating quite a bit. In reality, it was pretty damn cold in the house since I left the door open and was having cold air blown in my face while I was on the ground. I fell back on the floor and remember Marcus asking "hey man do you want a blanket?"
For some reason, this angered me deeply, and I snapped back at him "WHAT THE FUCK NO IT'S HOT MAN". Then he asked "oh... do you want a fan?" and again it felt like he was almost trying to fuck with me, like he was out to get me, and I just kicked at him and told him to leave me alone. Then I asked "how long is this going to last?", and he said "10 minutes" ... "maybe". And as soon as he said maybe... everything turned red.
In that instance, I felt anger, fear, paranoia, sadness, confusion, everything negative just flowed through me. What had only been about 9 minutes had felt like hours, me on the ground kicking at nothing. It felt like after an hour or so, I had honestly gone crazy, there was no way back from here, and I think I felt that because I began to try to rationalize my trip after 5 minutes, while I was still tripping. This, I believe, kind of made me fall into an "infinite loop" if that makes sense.
Also, the feeling of having my foot asleep, that painful tingly feeling, was radiating through my entire body, head to toe. After the 15 minutes was about up, I kind of started to realize that Marcus (and Bill, who was woken up by me hitting the floor) were not actually out to get me, and I sat there silent for another 10-20 minutes before trying to explain, unsuccessfully, what I had seen and felt.
So I hope some of this made sense, I know I left some of the unexplainable parts out, but maybe I'll be able to rationalize them enough and edit this post to make those points understandable.
Also, I tried it 2 more times during my vacation up there. Once again with 60x, and one with 160x, but those were not bad at all, and I might write about them some other time. Of course, I'm not sure of the concentration of the active ingredient, so those numbers are very inaccurate.
EDIT: Good to note that I have not tried LSD, DXM, DMT, Psylocybin, or any of the other common ones. I have tried DPH twice, and Salvia 3 times total. One day, however, I would like to try all of those, and maybe some of the other, less common/enjoyable ones.
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Soo moral of the story, say no to salvia?
Or that there is no reality so we have nothing to live for.
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On December 05 2009 08:00 toopham wrote:
Soo moral of the story, say no to salvia?
Moral of the story is try Salvia if you want to, it's a very entertaining experience to think back on. Just try to know what you're getting in to before you do it. I think I grew quite a bit from what happened 
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what does that mean, you grew a bit?
On December 05 2009 05:58 Archaic wrote:Show nested quote +well anyways after i realized that i started screaming NO NO NO NO really loud and then the next thing i do is bolt out of my friends house and i run down(skipping 3 or 4 steps at a time) two flights of stairs at full speed. I used to do this as a child. Night frights, the doctors call them... I don't think I was on Salvia though.
I had that happen once I think, maybe twice when I was little. I was half asleep half awake, screamed, and pointed at my mom and called her a ghost. My cousin laughed her ass off.
It was a very existential dread instead of just some baseline emotion.
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I read the thread title and thought it said "My (bad) Saliva trip"
I've never heard of salvia before.
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On December 05 2009 08:47 .risingdragoon wrote:
what does that mean, you grew a bit?
I mean I saw and felt things unable to imagine before. It's like a new area of reality is opened when I think back to what was around me. Of course, the perception is much less clear, but at least there's an idea as to what I couldn't see before.
Does that make sense to anyone but me? lol.
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On December 05 2009 07:51 Valentine wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2009 07:03 craz3d wrote:On February 12 2008 09:56 GeneralStan wrote:
Interestingly, I've heard nothing but stories that really make me want to avoid DMT. Disassociation, out of body and most often intensely Dysphoric visions. I've heard many a DMT tripper say taht they felt ready to die (although not a standardly suicidal way, just . . . resigned) I remember reading somewhere that DMT is naturally produced by the body and is released before you die, don't know if it true or not, but it could explain your friend's feelings. IIRC It's released to induce dreaming every night o__o;;
This has been proposed, but it is far from established.
The idea that DMT is associated with near death experiences is also far from established.
Neat ideas though.
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On December 05 2009 09:22 Freyr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2009 07:51 Valentine wrote:On December 05 2009 07:03 craz3d wrote:On February 12 2008 09:56 GeneralStan wrote:
Interestingly, I've heard nothing but stories that really make me want to avoid DMT. Disassociation, out of body and most often intensely Dysphoric visions. I've heard many a DMT tripper say taht they felt ready to die (although not a standardly suicidal way, just . . . resigned) I remember reading somewhere that DMT is naturally produced by the body and is released before you die, don't know if it true or not, but it could explain your friend's feelings. IIRC It's released to induce dreaming every night o__o;; This has been proposed, but it is far from established. The idea that DMT is associated with near death experiences is also far from established. Neat ideas though.
Ah, well that's good to know. I just recently became an erowid junkie, so I have lots to learn, and it's all very fun and exciting ^>^
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Last time I did salvia I felt a though I was about to get ripped out of reality, and I resisted it. My psyche shattered and then reassembled itself. Very unpleasant - but I was capable of resisting.
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Korea (South)11580 Posts
I used to do salvia quite a bit a few years ago before it became illegal in Virginia. Basically, all the trips were astounding and fun. It really hits you very fast, and it can become quite crazy. The last time I did it, it was probably 15 or 20x and I was vaguely hallucinating as I saw myself being a dwarf from snow white, so I walked with my legs bent real low to the ground telling all my friends I have to go to work and I cant be late.
Fun times
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On December 05 2009 09:46 CaucasianAsian wrote:I used to do salvia quite a bit a few years ago before it became illegal in Virginia. Basically, all the trips were astounding and fun. It really hits you very fast, and it can become quite crazy. The last time I did it, it was probably 15 or 20x and I was vaguely hallucinating as I saw myself being a dwarf from snow white, so I walked with my legs bent real low to the ground telling all my friends I have to go to work and I cant be late. Fun times
Hahahahaha
Why is that so funny to me?
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I've met like two people in total who didn't hate salvia. I've met dozens who regret ever trying it. I fall into the latter category as well.
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You should try 80x.. Basically my house turned into a giant alligators mouth and i was all wet from his saliva.
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A hallucination isnt real and you are aware that it isnt real, A delusion is something that isnt real but you think it is. This was a reply to someone who wrote that you belive the hallucination is real.
I also love reading these threads and where can i get som e DMT
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I always wanted to try some psychedelic drug like LSD, DMT or schrooms, but never had balls for it. I used to smoke a lot and now i smoke just like 2 times a month for relief. I am little bit scared of psychedelics, because my mind takes it too serious and i can't resist bad feelings. Like few times when i had vision problems when stoned, i was kind of freaked out. If it is only vision, it is ok, but i felt really weird and "sick".
So my question is : do psychedelic make you feel sick, headache or feeling like throwing up? Or it just fucks around with your brain and vision...? What is the best to try first time? Probably schrooms... Once my friend was trippin on DMT and he had so awesome trip. I was in a room with him and he was like: maaan this is awesome, there is nothing beside this room and i am in it flying in the space playing this awesome music looking out the window to the space. (he played the electric keyboard). But he seemed really in control, like he was trippin his balls but knew that it is only trip and he should enjoy it...i am scared that i wouldn't be able to control it that well..
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On December 08 2009 03:13 Ricjames wrote:
So my question is : do psychedelic make you feel sick, headache or feeling like throwing up? Or it just fucks around with your brain and vision...? What is the best to try first time? Probably schrooms... Once my friend was trippin on DMT and he had so awesome trip. I was in a room with him and he was like: maaan this is awesome, there is nothing beside this room and i am in it flying in the space playing this awesome music looking out the window to the space. (he played the electric keyboard). But he seemed really in control, like he was trippin his balls but knew that it is only trip and he should enjoy it...i am scared that i wouldn't be able to control it that well..
Nausea is a common response to natural psychedelics, namely peyote. It is supposedly common with Mushrooms too, but it has never happened to me. My tripping friends do sometimes vomit though. From all accounts, after you vomit, you feel much better and your trip can continue normally.
As far as what to try first, I would almost recommend DMT. DMT is certainly among the most powerful psychedelics, but it has the huge advantage in that if you are finding the experience unpleasant, DMT only lasts 15 to 30 minutes. If you find that you are not enjoying an LSD experience, you'll have to ride it out for 8 hours.
Mushrooms though, are considered to be the standard starting point. They have a medium length of several hours, and it is generally considered a milder trip.
The more important aspects of your trip are Set and Setting. Set is what is in your mind in the days leading up to the trip (what you read, movies you watch, ideas you ponder). Setting is where you will actually do it. If you are nervous about an authority figure finding and disapproving of your tripping, it tends to have a negative impact on the trip, even if they don't find out. You want to find somewhere where you are safe and comfortable. If you have that, then other difficult ramifications of a trip can be worked out without too much trouble.
If there is that curiosity in you to know what the psychedelic experience is, I always recommend that you go for it. It is a profound experience that you will never forget, be it good trip or bad. A bad trip is a small risk in context of opening your mind to how much sensory capability the mind possesses that it does not usually use.
It is hard to have a psychedelic experience and not grow from it.
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Going to say the same thing I said before in this thread, salvia is the shit!
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Shrooms are awesome, for me... For others, not so much...
All i felt after they whore off was a little *down/depressive*... But that was more because i felt soooo awesome on shrooms that being normal just felt kinda bad :p. Physically there was like nothing, my body just felt incredibly warm, in a good way.
Everything was beautiful, everything felt *right*, everything was nice... And i actually talked to the Moon because the Moon had a giant pupil/eye-thing and was sooo bright... I also talked to a beautiful girl, which wasn't there, well, she was there... But she was a small tree (which i discovered during the trip :p)...
Took em on a forest boarder during full moon with friends (but they just drank, which tends to get annoying, thankfully i could talk with the moon and ms. tree and some guy that was just incredibly stoned )
Never had anything *strong* else so i can't compare it to other stuff... I would take Shrooms again.
I had 2 big portions, one for me, one for a good friend... I just ate them *pure* like cookies, didn't even find they smell terrible... He on the other hand spit them out because he found them so disgusting... Nearly jumped at him for doing that... 10 minutes later the trip hit me and everything was forgiven :p
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mi just smoke mi ganja and dont "trip" bad or good, mi just feel alright. u know what im sayin ye~
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On December 08 2009 03:43 Breach_hu wrote:
mi just smoke mi ganja and dont "trip" bad or good, mi just feel alright. u know what im sayin ye~
T-T;
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Damn....can anyone get me any Salvia? I can pay with PayPal, but I don't have a credit card.....PM with offers if possible.
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Lol make sure its legal in your state first so whoever (probably me) sends you that shit doesn't get arrested.
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Well all i know is my first trip was the best thing of my life. So me and my friends are sitting there and we have a thing of 20x and then we have 60x this was my first time and everyone hyped it up so i tried 20x so i take the bong rip it taste like complete shit and then get giggly and stuff i feel pretty good but no trip i tell my friend to load the 60x like 30 seconds later so i hit them back to back. Alright so i'll tell u how i remember things it was all pretty crazy. So i take the bong hit it tastes really really bad so i go to the sink to spit he has a bathroom in his room so right as i spit in the sink it comes to life and well trys to grab me. I screem run to the bed and hide under the pillow both my friends are watching on laughing. After that i hear something under the bed so i stand on the bed with my shoes on and run in circles i dont know why i was doing this but it felt so amazing. i ended up stopping for some reason and i fell straight backwords off the bed it hurt so bad. i remember something trying to grab me from under the bed so i jumped back on the bed and kept looking over the sides and spinning in circles this whole time i was laughing uncontrolably. I wasnt in a different place or anything the room was pretty much the same and stuff but things kept trying to get me. alright so anyways i turn and see my friend and he has jelly beans and i asked for some and well he gave them to me and in my hand the grew legs and rolled out of my hand so i ended up chasing them around his room a little bit and then the fell over and i started to come off the trip. Pretty much this drug is amazing like of course you see some stuff but the whole time i felt so happy and i couldnt stop laughing i think there is one more lvl up that i'ma try next time which is hopefully soon
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Ive been using salvia every now and again for about 6 years. You need to be in a certain state of mind for it, and its definitely not a party drug that you do with a bunch of friends sitting in your livingroom.
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Salvia doesn't really alter reality so much as blow it out the back of your brain like a sort of psychedelic shotgun.
LSD is definitely my favourite... long lasting but controllable, and you can easily dose yourself according to how strong of a trip you want.
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On February 10 2008 18:11 Energies wrote:
What do the numbers mean?
Concentration. Basically if you can get your hands on 50x or higher you are going to be pretty fucking ripped.
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I'm going to go ahead and say, if its your first time, stick to 10x or something, unless you want to never do salvia again. You have to respect her, or things won't go well. Or if you're brave enough for something like 30x get a sitter...forreal..irrespobsible psychedellic use makes things worse for every1 y0. gg
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