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On December 05 2009 07:03 craz3d wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 09:56 GeneralStan wrote:
Interestingly, I've heard nothing but stories that really make me want to avoid DMT. Disassociation, out of body and most often intensely Dysphoric visions. I've heard many a DMT tripper say taht they felt ready to die (although not a standardly suicidal way, just . . . resigned) I remember reading somewhere that DMT is naturally produced by the body and is released before you die, don't know if it true or not, but it could explain your friend's feelings.
IIRC It's released to induce dreaming every night o__o;;
I could be wrong about that, but if this is true, it would just be like a very potent dream, while conscious and able to recall it more easily. Either way, I'm very psyched to try it at some point (and I learned how to extract it, which I will try in the summer). But before that, I feel the need to try the "lighter" ones first. I made the mistake of trying Salvia before LSD, that being a very big hit that I had not expected the consequences of.
We had some 60x, and when I had smoked it for the first time, I was holding the bong by the door (we don't like to smoke inside), and I ripped it and held for about 20~ seconds, and here's where most people's stories seem to not line up with mine. I completely lost all sense of reality before 30 seconds of holding it in. My friend Marcus was in the living room (viewable by the doorway where I was) and told me later that I completely dropped like a rock. Lost all function and dropped like a dead body. I kind of remember this feeling.
After I dropped, I continued to drop through the floor, through the dimensional planes of reality and thought. I kept going and remember opening my eyes and seeing Marcus with his vidya camera smiling at me while recording. I don't know if I heard the voice or what, but the words "this is what they look like when they look at you" came into my head. From here, what was going through my mind was pure confusion.
This is what they look like when they look at you?
So this isn't my Marcus, this is just a Marcus.
What happened to my Marcus.
After that, I rolled over and saw the lines on my shirt grow and engulf my vision. It kind of felt like they were now the background of my life. I was wearing something similar to this:
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After that happened, I continued to fall into the lines and entered what can only be described as a conveyor-belt type thing, and it looked like it was almost a factory where they were producing the letter "i". I was right there where they were stamping the dot over the "i", but here is what is unexplainable. I saw this happening from every angle. From left, right, top, bottom, inside and out, I saw EVERYTHING. It's like trying to tell a blind person what the color blue looks like.
Then, this being about 5-6 minutes after the trip started, I regained consciousness and stood up, felt like I was normal again (although it was really hard to stand, and my balance was gone), and made my way towards the couch. At this point I realized that it's hot as BALLS and I'm actually sweating quite a bit. In reality, it was pretty damn cold in the house since I left the door open and was having cold air blown in my face while I was on the ground. I fell back on the floor and remember Marcus asking "hey man do you want a blanket?"
For some reason, this angered me deeply, and I snapped back at him "WHAT THE FUCK NO IT'S HOT MAN". Then he asked "oh... do you want a fan?" and again it felt like he was almost trying to fuck with me, like he was out to get me, and I just kicked at him and told him to leave me alone. Then I asked "how long is this going to last?", and he said "10 minutes" ... "maybe". And as soon as he said maybe... everything turned red.
In that instance, I felt anger, fear, paranoia, sadness, confusion, everything negative just flowed through me. What had only been about 9 minutes had felt like hours, me on the ground kicking at nothing. It felt like after an hour or so, I had honestly gone crazy, there was no way back from here, and I think I felt that because I began to try to rationalize my trip after 5 minutes, while I was still tripping. This, I believe, kind of made me fall into an "infinite loop" if that makes sense.
Also, the feeling of having my foot asleep, that painful tingly feeling, was radiating through my entire body, head to toe. After the 15 minutes was about up, I kind of started to realize that Marcus (and Bill, who was woken up by me hitting the floor) were not actually out to get me, and I sat there silent for another 10-20 minutes before trying to explain, unsuccessfully, what I had seen and felt.
So I hope some of this made sense, I know I left some of the unexplainable parts out, but maybe I'll be able to rationalize them enough and edit this post to make those points understandable.
Also, I tried it 2 more times during my vacation up there. Once again with 60x, and one with 160x, but those were not bad at all, and I might write about them some other time. Of course, I'm not sure of the concentration of the active ingredient, so those numbers are very inaccurate.
EDIT: Good to note that I have not tried LSD, DXM, DMT, Psylocybin, or any of the other common ones. I have tried DPH twice, and Salvia 3 times total. One day, however, I would like to try all of those, and maybe some of the other, less common/enjoyable ones.
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Soo moral of the story, say no to salvia?
Or that there is no reality so we have nothing to live for.
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On December 05 2009 08:00 toopham wrote:
Soo moral of the story, say no to salvia?
Moral of the story is try Salvia if you want to, it's a very entertaining experience to think back on. Just try to know what you're getting in to before you do it. I think I grew quite a bit from what happened 
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what does that mean, you grew a bit?
On December 05 2009 05:58 Archaic wrote:Show nested quote +well anyways after i realized that i started screaming NO NO NO NO really loud and then the next thing i do is bolt out of my friends house and i run down(skipping 3 or 4 steps at a time) two flights of stairs at full speed. I used to do this as a child. Night frights, the doctors call them... I don't think I was on Salvia though.
I had that happen once I think, maybe twice when I was little. I was half asleep half awake, screamed, and pointed at my mom and called her a ghost. My cousin laughed her ass off.
It was a very existential dread instead of just some baseline emotion.
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I read the thread title and thought it said "My (bad) Saliva trip"
I've never heard of salvia before.
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On December 05 2009 08:47 .risingdragoon wrote:
what does that mean, you grew a bit?
I mean I saw and felt things unable to imagine before. It's like a new area of reality is opened when I think back to what was around me. Of course, the perception is much less clear, but at least there's an idea as to what I couldn't see before.
Does that make sense to anyone but me? lol.
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On December 05 2009 07:51 Valentine wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2009 07:03 craz3d wrote:On February 12 2008 09:56 GeneralStan wrote:
Interestingly, I've heard nothing but stories that really make me want to avoid DMT. Disassociation, out of body and most often intensely Dysphoric visions. I've heard many a DMT tripper say taht they felt ready to die (although not a standardly suicidal way, just . . . resigned) I remember reading somewhere that DMT is naturally produced by the body and is released before you die, don't know if it true or not, but it could explain your friend's feelings. IIRC It's released to induce dreaming every night o__o;;
This has been proposed, but it is far from established.
The idea that DMT is associated with near death experiences is also far from established.
Neat ideas though.
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On December 05 2009 09:22 Freyr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2009 07:51 Valentine wrote:On December 05 2009 07:03 craz3d wrote:On February 12 2008 09:56 GeneralStan wrote:
Interestingly, I've heard nothing but stories that really make me want to avoid DMT. Disassociation, out of body and most often intensely Dysphoric visions. I've heard many a DMT tripper say taht they felt ready to die (although not a standardly suicidal way, just . . . resigned) I remember reading somewhere that DMT is naturally produced by the body and is released before you die, don't know if it true or not, but it could explain your friend's feelings. IIRC It's released to induce dreaming every night o__o;; This has been proposed, but it is far from established. The idea that DMT is associated with near death experiences is also far from established. Neat ideas though.
Ah, well that's good to know. I just recently became an erowid junkie, so I have lots to learn, and it's all very fun and exciting ^>^
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Last time I did salvia I felt a though I was about to get ripped out of reality, and I resisted it. My psyche shattered and then reassembled itself. Very unpleasant - but I was capable of resisting.
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I used to do salvia quite a bit a few years ago before it became illegal in Virginia. Basically, all the trips were astounding and fun. It really hits you very fast, and it can become quite crazy. The last time I did it, it was probably 15 or 20x and I was vaguely hallucinating as I saw myself being a dwarf from snow white, so I walked with my legs bent real low to the ground telling all my friends I have to go to work and I cant be late.
Fun times 
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On December 05 2009 09:46 CaucasianAsian wrote:I used to do salvia quite a bit a few years ago before it became illegal in Virginia. Basically, all the trips were astounding and fun. It really hits you very fast, and it can become quite crazy. The last time I did it, it was probably 15 or 20x and I was vaguely hallucinating as I saw myself being a dwarf from snow white, so I walked with my legs bent real low to the ground telling all my friends I have to go to work and I cant be late. Fun times
Hahahahaha
Why is that so funny to me?
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I've met like two people in total who didn't hate salvia. I've met dozens who regret ever trying it. I fall into the latter category as well.
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You should try 80x.. Basically my house turned into a giant alligators mouth and i was all wet from his saliva.
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A hallucination isnt real and you are aware that it isnt real, A delusion is something that isnt real but you think it is. This was a reply to someone who wrote that you belive the hallucination is real.
I also love reading these threads and where can i get som e DMT
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I always wanted to try some psychedelic drug like LSD, DMT or schrooms, but never had balls for it. I used to smoke a lot and now i smoke just like 2 times a month for relief. I am little bit scared of psychedelics, because my mind takes it too serious and i can't resist bad feelings. Like few times when i had vision problems when stoned, i was kind of freaked out. If it is only vision, it is ok, but i felt really weird and "sick".
So my question is : do psychedelic make you feel sick, headache or feeling like throwing up? Or it just fucks around with your brain and vision...? What is the best to try first time? Probably schrooms... Once my friend was trippin on DMT and he had so awesome trip. I was in a room with him and he was like: maaan this is awesome, there is nothing beside this room and i am in it flying in the space playing this awesome music looking out the window to the space. (he played the electric keyboard). But he seemed really in control, like he was trippin his balls but knew that it is only trip and he should enjoy it...i am scared that i wouldn't be able to control it that well..
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On December 08 2009 03:13 Ricjames wrote:
So my question is : do psychedelic make you feel sick, headache or feeling like throwing up? Or it just fucks around with your brain and vision...? What is the best to try first time? Probably schrooms... Once my friend was trippin on DMT and he had so awesome trip. I was in a room with him and he was like: maaan this is awesome, there is nothing beside this room and i am in it flying in the space playing this awesome music looking out the window to the space. (he played the electric keyboard). But he seemed really in control, like he was trippin his balls but knew that it is only trip and he should enjoy it...i am scared that i wouldn't be able to control it that well..
Nausea is a common response to natural psychedelics, namely peyote. It is supposedly common with Mushrooms too, but it has never happened to me. My tripping friends do sometimes vomit though. From all accounts, after you vomit, you feel much better and your trip can continue normally.
As far as what to try first, I would almost recommend DMT. DMT is certainly among the most powerful psychedelics, but it has the huge advantage in that if you are finding the experience unpleasant, DMT only lasts 15 to 30 minutes. If you find that you are not enjoying an LSD experience, you'll have to ride it out for 8 hours.
Mushrooms though, are considered to be the standard starting point. They have a medium length of several hours, and it is generally considered a milder trip.
The more important aspects of your trip are Set and Setting. Set is what is in your mind in the days leading up to the trip (what you read, movies you watch, ideas you ponder). Setting is where you will actually do it. If you are nervous about an authority figure finding and disapproving of your tripping, it tends to have a negative impact on the trip, even if they don't find out. You want to find somewhere where you are safe and comfortable. If you have that, then other difficult ramifications of a trip can be worked out without too much trouble.
If there is that curiosity in you to know what the psychedelic experience is, I always recommend that you go for it. It is a profound experience that you will never forget, be it good trip or bad. A bad trip is a small risk in context of opening your mind to how much sensory capability the mind possesses that it does not usually use.
It is hard to have a psychedelic experience and not grow from it.
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Going to say the same thing I said before in this thread, salvia is the shit!
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Shrooms are awesome, for me... For others, not so much...
All i felt after they whore off was a little *down/depressive*... But that was more because i felt soooo awesome on shrooms that being normal just felt kinda bad :p. Physically there was like nothing, my body just felt incredibly warm, in a good way.
Everything was beautiful, everything felt *right*, everything was nice... And i actually talked to the Moon because the Moon had a giant pupil/eye-thing and was sooo bright... I also talked to a beautiful girl, which wasn't there, well, she was there... But she was a small tree (which i discovered during the trip :p)...
Took em on a forest boarder during full moon with friends (but they just drank, which tends to get annoying, thankfully i could talk with the moon and ms. tree and some guy that was just incredibly stoned  )
Never had anything *strong* else so i can't compare it to other stuff... I would take Shrooms again.
I had 2 big portions, one for me, one for a good friend... I just ate them *pure* like cookies, didn't even find they smell terrible... He on the other hand spit them out because he found them so disgusting... Nearly jumped at him for doing that... 10 minutes later the trip hit me and everything was forgiven :p
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mi just smoke mi ganja and dont "trip" bad or good, mi just feel alright. u know what im sayin ye~
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