EPTI have to admit, though, anon will have to define exactly what they are against which will be difficult because 'religion' 'belief' and 'church', 'criticism' and 'hatred' are difficult to for the lay person to define and differentiate - a fact that scientology often uses to it's advantage.
February 10th - Worldwide Scientology Protest. - Page 6
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I have to admit, though, anon will have to define exactly what they are against which will be difficult because 'religion' 'belief' and 'church', 'criticism' and 'hatred' are difficult to for the lay person to define and differentiate - a fact that scientology often uses to it's advantage. | ||
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Falcynn
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MarklarMarklar
Fiji1823 Posts
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On February 11 2008 15:14 Falcynn wrote: I'm not sure if this site is sponsored by anon, but from http://www.xenu.net/ it seems that they're not really against the religion itself, rather just the organization based around scientology that seems dedicated on brainwashing people to fork over their money. xenu.net has been around since scientology took the usenet group to court in the early 1990's. the organisation is the church. so yes, the church is the main problem. beyond the scope of the protests, and not hatred, just criticism: unfortunately, since the religion was founded on the premise of making money, many of the practices lend themselves to corruption making the chuch and the beliefs difficult to separate. for instance, auditing (basically lie detecting on very personal and legal matters) is used later to blackmail people when they leave, one of the reasons they cannot get out. It's a bit like confessionals, but actually used. and many of the practices employ hypnotic techniques such as chanting and repetition (not unlike other religions in some ways, but done to the extreme), which is prone to misuse. remember, Ron used other religions for templates; he was trying to make money; he has simulated and honed the most manipulative practices. | ||
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joyeaux
United States169 Posts
One person's freedom of religion ends where someone else's civil liberties begin. The organization which calls itself "the church of scientology" has broken laws, and attempted repeatedly to undermine other people's civil liberties. Protesting the actions of such an organization is reasonable regardless of whether or a not the organization has a religion associated with. | ||
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Energies
Australia3225 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5209/31461037gy4.jpg) lol | ||
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JensOfSweden
Cameroon1767 Posts
On February 11 2008 15:14 Falcynn wrote: I'm not sure if this site is sponsored by anon, but from http://www.xenu.net/ it seems that they're not really against the religion itself, rather just the organization based around scientology that seems dedicated on brainwashing people to fork over their money. Well thats bullshit, they basically wanna bring down Scientology. Also it's not a religion per definition since they don't obey any gods, instead it's more of a cult because they worship a person, Ron L Hubbard I dislike Scientology too but I gotta admit, I think their quirkiness is kind of funny I can't help to think that these protests is more some kind of internet hype and attempt to see how much you can organize this way than an actual genuine interest in bringing down scientology. Besides I think some of these guys just totally overdo it. Referring to Lisa McPherson who was one person who died, what 30-40 years ago? wtf besides I'm not sure that anyone really knows the exact version of what happened to her Of course it's sad but really...does that warrant the "Scientology kills" signs? And why do they start acting up now?? Because of Tom Cruise? I can see the protesters becoming more and more zealous and extreme and soon they will start to mimick the quirky behavior of the people they want to bring down, the scientologists. | ||
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Cameroon1767 Posts
On February 11 2008 19:03 Energies wrote: lol Now banners like those are just retarded cuz normal people won't really get what they are saying and it just makes them look like juvenile gangsters | ||
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On February 11 2008 19:54 JensOfSweden wrote: Now banners like those are just retarded cuz normal people won't really get what they are saying and it just makes them look like juvenile gangsters I disagree, I have received a few office forwards already with images of people hurting them selves or dumb shit happening with the typical "Fail" and "Epic Fail" plastered all over the images, and the emails have often been sent my people in their 40 and 50s. So I think the gap between the real world and internet world is starting to close, specially with things like wow where millions of regular people play it and get attuned to these memes. That been said, even with a full costume, I wouldn't hold a sign like that up, because its just nerdy. I have another theory of why these protests are happening, god is clearly pissed and is manifesting itself through 4chan. + Show Spoiler + Exodus 20:2-17 (King James Version) 2I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 3Thou shalt have no other gods before me. 4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. | ||
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Well thats bullshit, they basically wanna bring down Scientology. they claim to be ok with 'the free zone' a break off group that practice free scientology. so they claim to be ok with scientology existing, just not the church. they claim. for example, at 2:04 there is a placard "google tech outside COS" - a reference to the free zone. Also it's not a religion per definition since they don't obey any gods, instead it's more of a cult because they worship a person, Ron L Hubbard but they get more tax breaks and favor from the US government (due to legal actions) than any other religion, including all the abrahamic ones, etc. Besides I think some of these guys just totally overdo it. Referring to Lisa McPherson who was one person who died, what 30-40 years ago? wtf besides I'm not sure that anyone really knows the exact version of what happened to her Of course it's sad but really...does that warrant the "Scientology kills" signs? there are claims of many suspcious deaths: http://www.whyaretheydead.net/ scientology are renowned for having their own medical treatments in the form of 'rundowns' which are not medically assured as safe. I can't help to think that these protests is more some kind of internet hype and attempt to see how much you can organize this way than an actual genuine interest in bringing down scientology. this is what I find most interesting. my generation are completely apathetic in terms of acitvism for good - I feel ashamed of it. maybe this will encourage more people to organize and stand up using this as a template. | ||
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JensOfSweden
Cameroon1767 Posts
Yeah Energies I guess you're right actually. I can also see the gap between internet and the real world closing in fast and also older people are fucking updated! Like my dad shows me new shit on youtube that I don't even know about rofl so I guess you're right actually That's why I'm saying it's looks to be more about the thing that people actually gather through the internets than a genuine interest in bringing down Scientology. They have found their cause, but they might as well have found another one. I think this is kind of silly to be honest, authorities should do more about scientology not some random internet people Besides, are all scientologists REALLY that bad? I think not. It's incredibly easy to become very biased when reading about some phenomenon that the general consensus feels is bad. I think many critics to scientology fail to see anything good about the church and that's a dangerous position which will make you a fanatic, just like they are. Scientology is weird and shit, but really, how much do they hurt people all in all? They are not THAT big of a deal lol....seriously My only real life contact with Scientology is walking past their churches in Stockholm/Malmoe/Copenhagen and I just thought it was kind of funny. Then again of course I acknowledge that there is some serious brainwashing and shit going in order to keep their members but then again, who defines what brainwashing is? Isn't that what the christian church or Islam or any religion always has been doing? Indoctrination people. Scientology is not the enemy really, they have just happened to become the target I think mainly because of Tom Cruise's weird behaviour | ||
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Energies
Australia3225 Posts
Can you imagine how dangerous Islam or Christianity would be if they were all unified under a handful of leaders? That is the potential Scientology has, thus making it very dangerous. | ||
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drop
Romania306 Posts
They were made in order not to get 4chan hacked in return, after 4chan makes a raid. Basically 4chan /i/nvades a website and spams it with the trash and the owners/users of the website have no clue who the fuck owned them, unless some moron spoils everything and reveals that "you got owned by 4chan". The idea is to OWN and make them wonder who owned them. If they know 4chan did the raid, they might sue, or come back and spam 4chan (if this is even possible) I used to participate on a small, private board that would make raids and the whole idea was not to reveal who did the raid. With TRUSTED people (which is like impossible on 4chan), you could set up an attack on a heavily fortified forum, by saying "today we make accounts, next week we attack" - while 4chan is "here and now" cuz some damn faggot has to spoil everything and reveal the boards name (well, they hacked 4chan few times, but whatever) | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
The homes, property, places and abodes of persons who have been active in attempting to: suppress Scientology or Scientologists are all beyond any protection of Scientology Ethics, unless absolved by later Ethics or an amnesty ... this Policy Letter extends to suppressive non-Scientology wives and husbands and parents, or other family members or hostile groups or even close friends. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology) Also some links from the OP since they are pretty hard to miss. Some reasons why this is going on: http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/ http://whyaretheydead.net/ Operation Freakout Operation Snow White | ||
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SonuvBob
Aiur21549 Posts
On February 11 2008 21:24 JensOfSweden wrote: I think this is kind of silly to be honest, authorities should do more about scientology not some random internet people That's kinda the point of the protests, to bring more attention to the problem. "Authorities" clearly aren't doing enough. | ||
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Quesadilla
United States1814 Posts
[QUOTE]On February 11 2008 19:54 JensOfSweden wrote: [QUOTE]On February 11 2008 19:03 Energies wrote: [img]http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5209/31461037gy4.jpg[/img] lol[/QUOTE] I have another theory of why these protests are happening, god is clearly pissed and is manifesting itself through 4chan. [/QUOTE] He probably has much more class than that man. [QUOTE]On February 11 2008 20:44 Resonate wrote: It's clearly Sterphen Hawking, listen to his fucking voice![/QUOTE] HAHAHAHAHA | ||
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http://www.whyaretheydead.net/flo_barnett/background.html the leader of scientology's mother in law committed suicide by shooting herself three times in the chest and then once in the head with an automatic rifle. there seems to be no depths.. | ||
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