Before this shit gets out of hand: Don't break Rules 1 & 2 in this fucking thread. Please feel free to post upcoming news, events, or anything I may have missed. I probably won't be updating OP, I would have to sit here all day and I don't do that (on weekends). Don't break Rules 1 & 2 in this fucking thread.
This is not a call to action, merely an informative thread about a moment in history that may become a story for the ages. Maybe one day you're children will be reading about this in their history books and you can tell them your first hand account, or maybe this whole thing will flop and everyone will forget in a week.
Today I'm here to bring you news of Anonymous, again.
This Sunday, February 10th of 2008, a worldwide protest will take place against the organization known as the Church of Scientology.
Initially, protests were looked down upon, however, due to recent developments and a large surge in support, it looks like the protests are supported, or at least tolerated by Anonymous.
Let me tell you how this all began. Circulation about interest in bringing down Scientology had been brought up before but was looked down upon simply because it was too foolish to attempt. However, after the release and subsequent removal of this: Tom Cruise video
Normally, Anonymous would overlook this, and simply move on, but for whatever reason Anonymous decided that Scientology must be taken down. Pulling the video was essentially the last straw.
Anonymous then released this video, a declaration of war of sorts.
Shortly after, the news story made it on digg.com and many people displayed their support for Anonymous, but more importantly disapproval of the CoS. After it gained the attention of most of the internet, blogs, social networking sites, and even some news sites began reporting on Anonymous' quest.
Sadly, many of these sites completely misunderstood what Anonymous' purpose was and so he issued this response.
On January 16, a Scientology recruitment video with Tom Cruise was leaked on the Internet. When the Church of Scientology (CoS) tried to take it down, they woke up the sleeping bear that was Anonymous. At first we were in it just for fun. Anonymous attacked CoS websites, prank called their phones and faxes. However, when we started reading about the CoS, we were horrified that such a dangerous and cruel organization can be allowed to continue their illegal practices. Soon, we started releasing information about the CoS on the Internet and we leaked their secret documents that describe the central parts of Scientology that most members are not allowed to see. This includes the story of Xenu, the alien overlord that blew up aliens in volcanoes, causing all our problems today. At this time Anonymous got reinforced by other people on the Internet who had also had enough of Scientology smearing critics and ex-members, and trying to suppress free speech. As our numbers grew, we decided to organize street protests outside all Scientology centers around the world. The date chosen for the main protests is February 10, 2008.
However, before you get the wrong impression, Anonymous is not a group of hackers or activists. The following may be the most accurate description of Anonymous you will ever see. + Show Spoiler +
OH god , Fox. I Have to sit here from my home, having been appraised of the sensationalist bull crap that you've just posted about the 'hackers on steroids'. I pass up going to the beach just to spend the time opening your minds.
Let me illuminate you a little bit to who/what you deal with.
I am one of what we refer to as the leg/i/on. I'm just an average guy. I work. I pay my bills. I give to charity. Put my pants on one leg at a time and enjoy music ranging from classical to trance techno. I read Sam Harris, Plato, Kafka, C.S Lewis, and quite a bit of history books. I enjoy video games and dabble in string theory for my own personal education. I am a major in biochemistry. I play trumpet. I make payments on 25k worth of student loans. I'm a 30+ y/o male who simply does his daily grind of work, bills, home, shower, shave, etc etc.
However, once you take away the thin cover of 'normal' society away from the persona, and place the average 'anon' within the realm of cyber-space, we are an entirely different creature together.
Anon, /i/nsurgents, and our ilk really represent a broader spectrum of what humanity is really like. We range from compassionate to manipulative to backstabbing. We are ultra racists, we are ultra anti racists, we are bleeding hearts, we are hardcore haters.
In essence, we represent the dichotomy of humanity that is anonymous and all the good and evil it can embody.
In essence, we are what you are when you are at home in the confines of your own domicile and you express all the good and evil of your opinions without anyone there. We are unconditional love and the embodiment of mankind's disgust of one another. We are the juxtaposition of restraint and unbridled contempt for our fellow human beings.
Another comparison would be to say we are basically the Einsteinian ADAH tourette's syndrome hive mentality persona of the internet with the occasional fringe wing of the intellectual elite which have, over years of just slumming on the internet, have gained the ability to manipulate and shape the environment in which we exist. From that aspect, our existence was simply a matter of time and intellectual evolution given the technology which we all have.
It is important to understand this because , really, we are legion, folks. We are everywhere, whether you know it or not. Friends of your kids. Co-workers. Managers. College students, high school teachers, nurses, so on and so forth.
Now , normally , we really don't care much about the average daily ongoings of most everyone else's life. Honest. We're all fine and happy to let the rest of the world go on its merry little way. We done care about you unless you do something to try to anger the 'hive'. Something that singles you out as a grade-A moron. Like your 'poor threatened family'. And the 'boy' you featured.
You see, we have this thing about 'NYPA' or 'not your personal army'. This is a primary, cardinal, rule that we normally live by. So your poor 'boy', Alex Wuori, tried to manipulate anon in order to basically get a piece of action from some underage girl on myspace. Anon doesn't like single targets that have no reason for it, and because he made a complete fool of himself by trying to be individualistic and force some girl to like him over the internet, he basically got a swift kick in the can.
Please do learn to report the whole truth instead of half-truths in this case. Your poor crying boy isn't all that innocent.
Now let me pause a moment here and point out that, in all seriousness, getting passwords and the like for a site like myspace is really a walk in the park. Plenty of ignorant users out there have no concept of internet security and use blanket passwords for just about anything. Something simple to remember. You've heard the news time and time again to always make your passwords different? Well this is why.
And also, let me make a side comment concerning personal information and the internet. The ability to find personal names, addresses, telephone numbers, and things of that nature is really no more difficult than opening a local phone book, using google, and a few other 'tools' out there. Really, theres no 'hacking' involved in that aspect. A moron can do this. Hell, lots of morons do this daily. We call them telemarketers. Learn how to cover your own backside for crying out loud and take some personal responsability for the readiness of your own 'personal data'.
Anyhow, back to poor Alex. Ultimatly, Anon will simply forget about Alex. Remember what i said about ADHD? Its very true. Few things hold our attention for long because , really, it doesnt matter to us in the longrun. Alex tried to use anon for his own personal gain. We dont like that. We took action.
Your attempt to create outrage and incite the public with your sensational journalisim is just that, an attempt.
We are not all that bad, honestly. We've done some good things. We've done some bad things. Cast the first stone and all that jazz, Fox.
Habbo Hotel? racist admin who hated blacks, so we stormed their 'universe' with black charachters. Hal Turner, ultra racist white supremicist who calls for the death of congressmen and federal judges because they dont like his views? We shut his sorry excuse for a radio program down for 4-5 months because he was a pompous, self righteous, fool. Hell, we even took our rage out against VNN and other white supremicist websites that associated with him, flooding them infiltrating their infrastructure and spreading counter-information against users, turning them inside out and watching their hate-mongering websites rip themselves apart from the inside out.
The superbowl hoax, yes, was in bad taste, I'll agree there. But seriously folks, when you look at where the thing began, why in gods name would you believe ANYTHING on the internet from those sites?
All in all, Fox, you're probably now being flooded on your message boards and such by anon's who have heard about your little piece of 'news' you decided to publish. Grin, bear it, and ride it out. We'll get tired of you soon enough.
Peace out, Fox. I hope you learn something.
Back to the story...
Soon after Anonymous gained mainstream attention, he himself began to be the subject of attacks and deliberation began on whether "Project Chanology" had lost it's way. Indeed, many have broken Rules 1 & 2 - the cardinal fucking rules. However, by the time Anonymous was able to regroup, it seemed that "Project Chanology" had taken on a life and meaning of it's own. Anonymous did not anticipate such widespread support for it. So now, it seems at the very least, "Project Chanology" will be tolerated by Anonymous for the sake of these people who see deeper meaning in it's cause.
And now that it is "officially" endorsed. Here's the low-down.
February 10th If you do plan on participating follow these rules of conduct and Xenuspeed.
On February 10:th, 2008, there will be worldwide protests against the Church of Scientology. We will hold peaceful protests outside Church of Scientology buildings, informing the public and CoS members about the secrets and deeply immoral practices of the Church.
Due to our decentralized nature, nobody knows in exactly how many places protests will be held. We have confirmations from the following cities: USA: Albuquerque, Buffalo, Anchorage, Phoenix, Tucson, Huntington Beach, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Santa Rosa, Sacramento, San Diego, Santa Barbara, Santa Cruz, Boulder, Denver, New Haven, Clearwater, Orlando, Miami, Atlanta, Honolulu, Boise, Chicago, Indianapolis, Kansas, Louisville, Boston, Detroit, Grand Rapids, Minneapolis, St.Louis, Nashville, Las Vegas, New York, New York, Long Island, Charlotte, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Columbus, Portland, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Richmond, San Antonio, Austin, Houston, Memphis, Dallas, Salt Lake City, Seattle, Milwaukee, Washington D.C., Denver Canada: Kitchener, Montreal, Quebec City, Vancouver, Toronto, Halifax, Ottawa, Calgary, Winnipeg, Edmonton Europe: London, Brighton, Leeds, York, Birmingham, Manchester, Edinburgh, Dublin, Hamburg, Berlin, Duesseldorf, Paris, Oslo, Stockholm, Goteborg, Malmo, Amsterdam, Vienna, Basel, Zuerich, Helsinki, Copenhagen, Brussels, Rome Oceania: Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Canberra, Adelade, Perth, Auckland South America: Buenos Aires, Santiago, Sao Paulo
On February 10 2008 06:05 Sadir wrote: sry can you sum up what anonymous is? I don't want to read your 5 page spoiler, or did I miss sth? non the less good post
some guys from 4chonebaums world
incidentally, I dont care at all about this protest...so
That's some crazy shit. On both sides. This Anonymous guy talks about the Church of Scientology using scare tactics, but he's doing the same thing with his dramatic music and video clips and his computerized voice.
On February 10 2008 06:23 sith wrote: The spoiler makes the chans sound so righteous and epic. Here is what came up in a google image search of the word "4chan"
lol, I like how the girl and internet circles never meet
Thanks for posting, I totally agree that CoS is crazy and dangerous, but these Anonymous looks pretty crazy too. Showing a Saw-like doll. and a computer voice saying "WE ARE LEGION" ... oh come on. They might get some more serious people to their demonstrations if they didn't do it in such a geeky way.
On February 10 2008 08:59 jtan wrote: Thanks for posting, I totally agree that CoS is crazy and dangerous, but these Anonymous looks pretty crazy too. Showing a Saw-like doll. and a computer voice saying "WE ARE LEGION" ... oh come on. They might get some more serious people to their demonstrations if they didn't do it in such a geeky way.
Eh, that isn't an "official" video. Though I guess by definition, none of this is "official", the videos I posted in OP are pretty much the only official videos, though even they are a bit overdramaticized, sometimes that is necessary I guess.
I also love how everyone is immediately superior to Anonymous because they're a bunch of "nerds", this is coming from people who stay up all night watching starcraft. If you look past the Anonymous and youtube videos you might realize this could be an important moment and will probably be the first time ever a religion gets dismantled due to kids on the internet.
Pah, I think the only reason people act "superior" to Anonymous in this thread is because at least our bunch of nerds realize that making spooky movies in Windows Conspiracy Movie Maker about a tank push is not the right way to be taken seriously.
I wouldn't mind seeing Scientology in ruins, but fark if I'm gonna be persuaded to protest by 3 minutes of slasher flick music in a YouTube video.
On February 10 2008 10:31 ManaBlue wrote: Sorry for being "not geeky enough", but am I the only one that doesn't know what rules 1 and 2 are?
1. Don't mess with football 2. Don't mess with football
hint: think fight club
Oh.
Well that's kind of boring.
God I hate 4chan.
actually: 1. You do not talk about /b/. 2. You do not talk about /b/. 3. When someone yells "Stop" or goes limp, or taps out, the fight is over. 4. Only two guys to a fight. 5. One fight at a time. 6. No tits, no -chan. 7. Fights go on as long as they have to. 8. If this is your first night at /b/, you have to fight.
funny thing is, no one used to take them seriously. now every third post is RULES ONE AND TWO ONLY APPLY TO RAIDS!!!W
its sad really
4chan has gotten really, really lame in the past year.
you arent missing anything. except reposts reposts
I have to admit, hacking a loved site which could promote your cause and signing it with your name on the eve of a huge demonstration that pivots on the media's opinion of you would be pretty damn stupid, eh? almost the worst thing they could have done...
anyways, a slow-loading map of planned events shows the scale of it
On February 10 2008 16:07 fusionsdf wrote: just an fyi
if you see ebaumsworld claim credit for ANYTHING, its 4chan
not ebaums
4chan
rule 2a. it was ebaums (the do it in the name of ebaums world rule)
4chan is stupid anyways
You are wrong as you have had the tendency of being in this thread.
no, I'm not.
4chan has been blaming raids on ebaums since long before habbo, probably since the ytmnd alliance vs ebaums
/facepalm Do you understand why rules 1 & 2 exist? This is why. Anybody with the capabilities to do so can hack a site, blame it on ebaums, and subsequently post accounts on 4chan. Generating bad press for Anonymous on a day when they would receive the most press coverage seems foolish does it not? There has been zero talk about this, I still doubt it was done by Anonymous.
On February 10 2008 16:07 fusionsdf wrote: just an fyi
if you see ebaumsworld claim credit for ANYTHING, its 4chan
not ebaums
4chan
rule 2a. it was ebaums (the do it in the name of ebaums world rule)
4chan is stupid anyways
You are wrong as you have had the tendency of being in this thread.
no, I'm not.
4chan has been blaming raids on ebaums since long before habbo, probably since the ytmnd alliance vs ebaums
/facepalm Do you understand why rules 1 & 2 exist? This is why. Anybody with the capabilities to do so can hack a site, blame it on ebaums, and subsequently post accounts on 4chan. Generating bad press for Anonymous on a day when they would receive the most press coverage seems foolish does it not? There has been zero talk about this, I still doubt it was done by Anonymous.
I remember soviet_russia. I remember waha and zimmer and /g/. I remember terminator dog and duck. dont lecture me about 4chan. Ive spent far too much time on it.
I think this is all pretty funny, although I wonder who is really instigating this whole thing. Since 'anonymous" doesn't have any leaders, it could really be anybody that is causing this.
what's up with this thread? rule 1 and 2 - really these from fight club wtf is 4chon - only this stragen picture website? stage6 got hacked wtf? ebaum lol never heard of that before
I just have absolutely no clue what you guys are talking about
O_o
edit: stage6 really hacked why the fuck would you do that? not because of CoS
Well I read every fucking thing in this thread and came to a few conclusions. I also have a few questions. First I'd like to say Tom Cruise is a fucking insane rambling nut job. Second while I still don't really have a clue what the ideas and messages behind Scientology are. It seems like its pretty fucking crazy with that allien shit, and does take on many aspects of a classic cult. So while I'd like more infromation from maybe someone who really knows about Scientology. I'd say form the information at hand this group Anonymous has a legit beef. The one thing I'd really like to know is how much power does this group of hackers really have? While shuting down a webpage and faxs are annoying. I fail to see how this can really hurt or change anything for the COS.
I guess every littil bit helps, but it just seems like a waste of time. I think the webpages that talk about the criminal activitys and deaths surrounding the COS help alot more then crashing some webpages. Until i saw those websites i just thought of Scientology as some strange new religion. Its infromation like that that can change peoples minds and make people look at Scientology more as a cult then a religion.
I'm saying these retarded "activists" should leave Scientology alone
Man, these kind of activists are usually quite insane and think they have the true answers and I don't think they are better than Scientologists. I think it's a bunch of psychopaths who just happened to have chosen Scientology as their target so that they can wreak havoc and create chaos for the fun of it. They might as well have chosen another cult or whatever, I think they just think it's a fun thing to do to be honest although they might not admit to it.
This is all bullshit and I bet those guys called Anonymous all look like big fat nerds and think they're cool when they post a video with a robotic voice
There is freedom of religion and yes betaben I mean people can believe what they want
Anyways, it's not up to some anonymous group on the internet to fucking decide what's right or wrong I think this all is so retarded tbh
On February 10 2008 19:49 JensOfSweden wrote: Isn't there a fucking freedom of religion
there is freedom of religion of course everybody is free to believe whatever he wants to, but the institution itself CoS sucks; but if you are not free to leave the curch without severe consequences you really have to do something against it;
you have to read about persons who want to quit and what they had to endure because of the curch
in this respect CoS is definitely dangerous and I really don't envy the ppl, who are in such a situation
edit: I think I read the most about CoS in german and in newspapers, but maybe this helps to inform you a little bit more http://www.xenu.net/
Yeah I know all about xenu.net and I've read alot of shit about scientology HOWEVER it's not up to some random people on the internet to decide what's right and wrong
But you have to see everything in context, people get so focused on just one thing, in this case Scientology
What about Christianity, Islam and the other major religions. Don't you think they got alot more blood on their hands compared to Scientology all in all?
On February 10 2008 21:22 JensOfSweden wrote: Yeah I know all about xenu.net and I've read alot of shit about scientology HOWEVER it's not up to some random people on the internet to decide what's right and wrong
But you have to see everything in context, people get so focused on just one thing, in this case Scientology
What about Christianity, Islam and the other major religions. Don't you think they got alot more blood on their hands compared to Scientology all in all?
If no one else is doing anything about it, why not "some random people on the internet".
I think Scientology is still in such an infant age, that there is still hope to supress it before it gets out of hand, as outrageous as Scientology is to us now, it could very well be the norm in 50 years time. But maybe its just another system of control, as more and more people are turning away from the traditional religions, perhaps they had to come up with something new.
I sort of have a theory as to why people are attracted to Scientology and it might have something to do with the fact that you pay, maybe people are in such a mindset that if you're paying for it, it must be real.
On February 10 2008 10:31 ManaBlue wrote: Sorry for being "not geeky enough", but am I the only one that doesn't know what rules 1 and 2 are?
1. Don't mess with football 2. Don't mess with football
hint: think fight club
Oh.
Well that's kind of boring.
God I hate 4chan.
actually: 1. You do not talk about /b/. 2. You do not talk about /b/. 3. When someone yells "Stop" or goes limp, or taps out, the fight is over. 4. Only two guys to a fight. 5. One fight at a time. 6. No tits, no -chan. 7. Fights go on as long as they have to. 8. If this is your first night at /b/, you have to fight.
funny thing is, no one used to take them seriously. now every third post is RULES ONE AND TWO ONLY APPLY TO RAIDS!!!W
its sad really
4chan has gotten really, really lame in the past year.
you arent missing anything. except reposts reposts
"4 chan has gotten really, really lame in the past year" Or maybe you've finally grown up enough to realize how lame it is?
People who bother to "protest" scientology clearly have nothing better to do.
Who the fuck cares if a bunch of idiots waste their money on a bullshit religion. Its not like they're going to harm you or take over the world or anything.
Freedom of Religion is one thing. But honestly, pick your fucking battles people. Is scientology really the worst thing you have to worry about? Pretty sad really.
Now I understand that there are some who have been directly and adversely affected by scientology. Maybe a mother who's son has fallen into that trap and wastes a shitload of his money on it and can't really support himself because of it. But, not to sound like a dick (although I probably am), this son is obviously a huge idiot, and scientology is probably one of the better things he could be into. As opposed to meth, or heroine. Or sniffing glue. Or any other retarded thing people do to waste time/money/ or their lives. At least scientology provides some structure and a feeling of acceptance. And who knows maybe one day he'll become a famous actor and marry a beautiful actress so nobody thinks hes gay. You know, just to throw them off.
Sydney's protest was highly amusing from any perspective. It was a shame I wasn't able to be there tbh. Nevertheless, being 12.52 on the 11th in Darwin, Australia ... I suppose it's time to read the reports of protests everywhere else.
Also, JensofSweden, I would argue a significant amount of the push by anonymous in this situation isn't as much to adjudicate a right or wrong as it is to inform people of what the CoS has done. Both the partvan wiki and a lot of the discussion on the chans themselves seems to reinforce this is as much about informing people of what the Church of Scientology has done so they can decide for themselves as it is creating chaos and misery for the CoS itself.
On February 10 2008 18:17 Sadir wrote: what's up with this thread? rule 1 and 2 - really these from fight club wtf is 4chon - only this stragen picture website? stage6 got hacked wtf? ebaum lol never heard of that before
I just have absolutely no clue what you guys are talking about
O_o
edit: stage6 really hacked why the fuck would you do that? not because of CoS
rules 1 and 2 are from fight club yes. They used to be semi-joke rules. Now they are taken seriously and are constantly repeated by 14 year olds. Its also been warped so it only applies during raids, which is of course stupid, but 4chan is so full of new users that people pretend thats how its always been.
4chon = 4chan. Came from some shitty convention movie where these people tried to throw around memes, failed, and pronounced 4chan wrong.
4chan started as an anime/hentai site and quickly started growing a lot of memes. For a long time, 4chan was just college students acting dumb, and you would see really clever macros and joke posts. We started getting a whole bunch of underage (or mentally underage users) especially after the habbo raids and lost a lot of old posters. We lost even more after desu. Meanwhile, 4chan became more and more oriented to the new users - instead of clever posts, we had meaningless raids -habbo, stickam, random anime forums. Now 4chan is just repeating memes. The new user is the reason threads like "This is my /b/ face" exist.
Instead of smart people acting dumb, its now dumb people acting dumb.
ebaumsworld is a video site basically. They find other people's content, steal it, take it for their own. Basically what happened is ebaums world stole a lohan gif. this one, but it didnt have the ytmnd tags then. Then ytmnd got together with SA, fark, lue, and a couple of 4channers, and like ddosed ebaums. 4chan didnt really have that much involvement, but we got a lot of users from ytmnd. Most were total idiots, and promoted more raids. They started raiding random sites, and everytime they raided a site, they would come back with more idiots. Habbo was the biggest raid, and is probably the biggest marker of a shift in quality on 4chan.
As for why 4chan would hack stage6? Anonymous isnt unified, and never has been. So it doesnt surprise me.
On February 10 2008 20:40 JensOfSweden wrote: I'm saying these retarded "activists" should leave Scientology alone
Man, these kind of activists are usually quite insane and think they have the true answers and I don't think they are better than Scientologists. I think it's a bunch of psychopaths who just happened to have chosen Scientology as their target so that they can wreak havoc and create chaos for the fun of it. They might as well have chosen another cult or whatever, I think they just think it's a fun thing to do to be honest although they might not admit to it.
This is all bullshit and I bet those guys called Anonymous all look like big fat nerds and think they're cool when they post a video with a robotic voice
There is freedom of religion and yes betaben I mean people can believe what they want
Anyways, it's not up to some anonymous group on the internet to fucking decide what's right or wrong I think this all is so retarded tbh
Gotta agree with Jens. Until they start actually effecting those who don't want to join, who gives a shit? Let people chose to be fucking idiots. It doesn't effect you.
I don't like scientology because they hate psychology and psyciatry.
I'm a psych major, so...... yea.
Other than that I don't really like scientology because there are a lot of fishy things that go down around it; like how L. Ron Hubbard's wife was charged with breaking and entering(among other things) in the IRS building to steal personal information on their enemies at the time. I believe she is still serving time for that one. I don't like how they purposly spread lies and misinformation about anybody who has a bad word to say about CoS, critics exist to keep a (duh) critical eye on everything. I don't like that their front group Narcanon uses bad techniques to get people to break drug habits (cold turkey). It is excruiciatingly painful (and sometimes fatal) for heroin addicts to go cold turkey, so weening them off is the proven best way to do it; Narcanon doesn't think so.
Also, I don't like any organization that makes you pay for salvation. Or, for that matter, encourages you to serperate yourself from your family network if they are not part of the scientologist movement.
The above is what Anonymous is protesting, not the fact that its a new religion. Anon would not get any traction if they were simply protesting a quirky new religion, they are protesting the conduct of the "church".
Congratulations, if we put this much effort against criminal organizations such as FARC, or Al-Qaeda, many more in Pakistan, Iran terrorism would be long dead?
come on people, this aint a darwin contest, stop being so fucking greedy, how can u acknowledge and not care that a Cult is destroying lives here. They take advantage of weak people, most who are in dificult stages of their lives. Their test is based on ''personality defects'', and trying to find traumas in your past to use it against you. Alot of you have not gone through any real traumas, so don`t understand any of this, and alot of you are just spoiled bitches who act on greed and think that darwin is a pimp.
and for the people saying this is sad and geeky, and that you have to choose your battles?? against islam and christianity? what have you done recently to say such a thing?
Let me give you an example of people trying to take advantage, in which most of you people dont understand how people can be so ''stupid''. Someone close to me, very smart person, healthy and all, was a teacher in High School, discovers a very late and serious breast cancer. Now someone close to her, some card reader, one of those people that can read the past and future and bla bla bullshit. Now no one really believes these people, but when your life is coming to a near, and medical science cant guarantee you a safe exit, people tend to be weak and gulable and attach itself to some ''hope''. Obviously the sorceress knew that the cancer was there and that it will be gone if she does some things, and bla bla. Scientology works on the same principle. Actually all religion works on that principle, their harbour fear for their profit. its all bullshit, and a bunch of internet nerds deciding to use their time to take down a group of scavengers is great. Now for sure these arent the worst of scavengers out there, but its a start.
On February 10 2008 19:49 JensOfSweden wrote: Isn't there a fucking freedom of religion
CoS isn't a fucking religion, its a fucking scam/politcal group that looks to make a huge amount of money. I have family in it and THEY CANNOT GET OUT. My moms aunt and her 2 sons are in DEEP. Hell one of them married the presidents daughter but he got divorced and he now lives in isolation and is watched VERY carefully by the organization. He does special effects for the company they own (he did the war of the worlds special effects). He is not allowed to see his mother or his brother for christ sakes and they MAKE sure it doesn't happen. This great aunt of mine has tried at least twice to get out and she was terrified as hell. Both times she agreed to leave but then her other son (who now does all the "churches" major business deals) dragged her down to clearwater for reconditioning. This is something that needs to die...
On February 10 2008 19:49 JensOfSweden wrote: Isn't there a fucking freedom of religion
CoS isn't a fucking religion, its a fucking scam/politcal group that looks to make a huge amount of money. I have family in it and THEY CANNOT GET OUT. My moms aunt and her 2 sons are in DEEP. Hell one of them married the presidents daughter but he got divorced and he now lives in isolation and is watched VERY carefully by the organization. He does special effects for the company they own (he did the war of the worlds special effects). He is not allowed to see his mother or his brother for christ sakes and they MAKE sure it doesn't happen. This great aunt of mine has tried at least twice to get out and she was terrified as hell. Both times she agreed to leave but then her other son (who now does all the "churches" major business deals) dragged her down to clearwater for reconditioning. This is something that needs to die...
How do they keep your aunt and her son from leaving btw?
On February 10 2008 19:49 JensOfSweden wrote: Isn't there a fucking freedom of religion
CoS isn't a fucking religion, its a fucking scam/politcal group that looks to make a huge amount of money. I have family in it and THEY CANNOT GET OUT. My moms aunt and her 2 sons are in DEEP. Hell one of them married the presidents daughter but he got divorced and he now lives in isolation and is watched VERY carefully by the organization. He does special effects for the company they own (he did the war of the worlds special effects). He is not allowed to see his mother or his brother for christ sakes and they MAKE sure it doesn't happen. This great aunt of mine has tried at least twice to get out and she was terrified as hell. Both times she agreed to leave but then her other son (who now does all the "churches" major business deals) dragged her down to clearwater for reconditioning. This is something that needs to die...
How do they keep your aunt and her son from leaving btw?
Read something a few weeks ago. If you leave Scientology they cut you off completely, you can't see any friends you made because they are told to never talk to you again. You are pretty much cut off from the outside world. I would think that makes the idea of leaving a bit less desirable.
On February 10 2008 19:49 JensOfSweden wrote: Isn't there a fucking freedom of religion
Yes, but there's also freedom of speech. Anyone, or any group, can go out and protest any religion they like. As long as they don't harm anyone or hack their websites, etc, all these protests are absolutely fine.
On February 10 2008 19:49 JensOfSweden wrote: Isn't there a fucking freedom of religion
CoS isn't a fucking religion, its a fucking scam/politcal group that looks to make a huge amount of money. I have family in it and THEY CANNOT GET OUT. My moms aunt and her 2 sons are in DEEP. Hell one of them married the presidents daughter but he got divorced and he now lives in isolation and is watched VERY carefully by the organization. He does special effects for the company they own (he did the war of the worlds special effects). He is not allowed to see his mother or his brother for christ sakes and they MAKE sure it doesn't happen. This great aunt of mine has tried at least twice to get out and she was terrified as hell. Both times she agreed to leave but then her other son (who now does all the "churches" major business deals) dragged her down to clearwater for reconditioning. This is something that needs to die...
How do they keep your aunt and her son from leaving btw?
Read something a few weeks ago. If you leave Scientology they cut you off completely, you can't see any friends you made because they are told to never talk to you again. You are pretty much cut off from the outside world. I would think that makes the idea of leaving a bit less desirable.
So if:
- I'm a member of Scientology and; - I no longer want to be a member;
they will:
- Not talk to me
That sounds like a pretty fucking good deal to me.
On a serious note, though, Slaughter, I hope things work out for your family. You could always consider professional involvement.
On February 10 2008 19:49 JensOfSweden wrote: Isn't there a fucking freedom of religion
CoS isn't a fucking religion, its a fucking scam/politcal group that looks to make a huge amount of money. I have family in it and THEY CANNOT GET OUT. My moms aunt and her 2 sons are in DEEP. Hell one of them married the presidents daughter but he got divorced and he now lives in isolation and is watched VERY carefully by the organization. He does special effects for the company they own (he did the war of the worlds special effects). He is not allowed to see his mother or his brother for christ sakes and they MAKE sure it doesn't happen. This great aunt of mine has tried at least twice to get out and she was terrified as hell. Both times she agreed to leave but then her other son (who now does all the "churches" major business deals) dragged her down to clearwater for reconditioning. This is something that needs to die...
How do they keep your aunt and her son from leaving btw?
Read something a few weeks ago. If you leave Scientology they cut you off completely, you can't see any friends you made because they are told to never talk to you again. You are pretty much cut off from the outside world. I would think that makes the idea of leaving a bit less desirable.
So if:
- I'm a member of Scientology and; - I no longer want to be a member;
they will:
- Not talk to me
That sounds like a pretty fucking good deal to me.
On a serious note, though, Slaughter, I hope things work out for your family. You could always consider professional involvement.
The weak people that they prey on don't have anyone else, and/or they destroy outside relationships the deeper they get pulled into the cult.
Once a cult becomes your entire world, it's not hard to believe that you feel suffocated and unable to leave.
Physically holding someone somewhere pales in conparison to a malicious mind fuck.
Her son is very into it and so is her husband so everytime she dissents they drag her down there for a week and bam shes back to being fine with it. But when she was wanting to get out she was TERRIFIED. I have also heard a rumor that some government agents that have been sent in have turned up dead/missing but that one seems a little far fetched.
I really don't know that part of the family well heh, apparently they lived in beverly hills with a lot of movie stars and shit most of the time then moved to florida since they have their head quarters there. Its funny because that family has been insanely successful but yet they are part of that shit.
More news this time from Tampa. Quick FYI the article I read last time from a former scientologist about being isolated from the outside work while being a scientologist and then being completely shunned by her scientologist friends when she left was from Clearwater. http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/feb/10/scientology-protesters-take-streets-clearwater/
Also:
A media release from the Church of Scientology said Anonymous' actions are simply acts of religious bigotry and ploys to gain attention and that Anonymous' guiding materials are the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf.
Nussbaum said he was offended by the church's comments about his group's guiding materials.
"I don't know where they got that from, but I don't think that's true considering that I am a capitalist and a Jew," he said.
before 200 netizens in protest of the madness of scientology From Washington DC, the face of courage
This little gal, called me last month, for the first time, in a timid voice, that grew stronger with every word she spoke...it was the first time she had ever spoken out about scientology, she is an ex scientologist, her father was a lifelong, scientology "minister".
She brought before and after pictures of her father, the young handsome Scientology minister, and 25 years later, a broken man.
She had more guts than anyone today. She walked up to Sue Taylor, Director of Special Affairs for OSA DC, and said Hi sue, remember me? (she used to play with Sue Taylor's kids at her home) Sue said hello... untill she told Sue Taylor that her father committed suicide 3 years ago.
She came up to me after I managed to spout off a few words of encouragement to the crowd, explaining operations snow white and operation freakout, and I suggested that she tell the picketers her story...
She did..
And told a crowd of 200 strangers on the street about her life, growing up in scientology and then about her father, a 25 year long "Minister" in scientology, who hung himself 3 years ago.
Sorry for triple posting, but this definietly deserves it's own post!
perhaps to show it's not just teenagers with no idea - the 10th is a traditional picketing day for scientology critics that really know what they are talking about:
I have to admit, though, anon will have to define exactly what they are against which will be difficult because 'religion' 'belief' and 'church', 'criticism' and 'hatred' are difficult to for the lay person to define and differentiate - a fact that scientology often uses to it's advantage.
I'm not sure if this site is sponsored by anon, but from http://www.xenu.net/ it seems that they're not really against the religion itself, rather just the organization based around scientology that seems dedicated on brainwashing people to fork over their money.
On February 11 2008 15:14 Falcynn wrote: I'm not sure if this site is sponsored by anon, but from http://www.xenu.net/ it seems that they're not really against the religion itself, rather just the organization based around scientology that seems dedicated on brainwashing people to fork over their money.
xenu.net has been around since scientology took the usenet group to court in the early 1990's. the organisation is the church.
so yes, the church is the main problem.
beyond the scope of the protests, and not hatred, just criticism:
unfortunately, since the religion was founded on the premise of making money, many of the practices lend themselves to corruption making the chuch and the beliefs difficult to separate.
for instance, auditing (basically lie detecting on very personal and legal matters) is used later to blackmail people when they leave, one of the reasons they cannot get out. It's a bit like confessionals, but actually used. and many of the practices employ hypnotic techniques such as chanting and repetition (not unlike other religions in some ways, but done to the extreme), which is prone to misuse.
remember, Ron used other religions for templates; he was trying to make money; he has simulated and honed the most manipulative practices.
On February 11 2008 15:14 Falcynn wrote: I'm not sure if this site is sponsored by anon, but from http://www.xenu.net/ it seems that they're not really against the religion itself, rather just the organization based around scientology that seems dedicated on brainwashing people to fork over their money.
Well thats bullshit, they basically wanna bring down Scientology. Also it's not a religion per definition since they don't obey any gods, instead it's more of a cult because they worship a person, Ron L Hubbard
I dislike Scientology too but I gotta admit, I think their quirkiness is kind of funny
I can't help to think that these protests is more some kind of internet hype and attempt to see how much you can organize this way than an actual genuine interest in bringing down scientology.
Besides I think some of these guys just totally overdo it. Referring to Lisa McPherson who was one person who died, what 30-40 years ago? wtf besides I'm not sure that anyone really knows the exact version of what happened to her
Of course it's sad but really...does that warrant the "Scientology kills" signs? And why do they start acting up now?? Because of Tom Cruise?
I can see the protesters becoming more and more zealous and extreme and soon they will start to mimick the quirky behavior of the people they want to bring down, the scientologists.
Now banners like those are just retarded cuz normal people won't really get what they are saying and it just makes them look like juvenile gangsters
I disagree, I have received a few office forwards already with images of people hurting them selves or dumb shit happening with the typical "Fail" and "Epic Fail" plastered all over the images, and the emails have often been sent my people in their 40 and 50s. So I think the gap between the real world and internet world is starting to close, specially with things like wow where millions of regular people play it and get attuned to these memes.
That been said, even with a full costume, I wouldn't hold a sign like that up, because its just nerdy.
I have another theory of why these protests are happening, god is clearly pissed and is manifesting itself through 4chan.
2I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Well thats bullshit, they basically wanna bring down Scientology.
they claim to be ok with 'the free zone' a break off group that practice free scientology. so they claim to be ok with scientology existing, just not the church. they claim.
for example,
at 2:04 there is a placard "google tech outside COS" - a reference to the free zone.
Also it's not a religion per definition since they don't obey any gods, instead it's more of a cult because they worship a person, Ron L Hubbard
but they get more tax breaks and favor from the US government (due to legal actions) than any other religion, including all the abrahamic ones, etc.
Besides I think some of these guys just totally overdo it. Referring to Lisa McPherson who was one person who died, what 30-40 years ago? wtf besides I'm not sure that anyone really knows the exact version of what happened to her
Of course it's sad but really...does that warrant the "Scientology kills" signs?
there are claims of many suspcious deaths: http://www.whyaretheydead.net/ scientology are renowned for having their own medical treatments in the form of 'rundowns' which are not medically assured as safe.
I can't help to think that these protests is more some kind of internet hype and attempt to see how much you can organize this way than an actual genuine interest in bringing down scientology.
this is what I find most interesting. my generation are completely apathetic in terms of acitvism for good - I feel ashamed of it. maybe this will encourage more people to organize and stand up using this as a template.
Oh, really? Oh well I think I'm mixing her up with someone else who died longer ago then
Yeah Energies I guess you're right actually. I can also see the gap between internet and the real world closing in fast and also older people are fucking updated!
Like my dad shows me new shit on youtube that I don't even know about rofl so I guess you're right actually
That's why I'm saying it's looks to be more about the thing that people actually gather through the internets than a genuine interest in bringing down Scientology. They have found their cause, but they might as well have found another one. I think this is kind of silly to be honest, authorities should do more about scientology not some random internet people
Besides, are all scientologists REALLY that bad? I think not. It's incredibly easy to become very biased when reading about some phenomenon that the general consensus feels is bad. I think many critics to scientology fail to see anything good about the church and that's a dangerous position which will make you a fanatic, just like they are.
Scientology is weird and shit, but really, how much do they hurt people all in all? They are not THAT big of a deal lol....seriously
My only real life contact with Scientology is walking past their churches in Stockholm/Malmoe/Copenhagen and I just thought it was kind of funny.
Then again of course I acknowledge that there is some serious brainwashing and shit going in order to keep their members but then again, who defines what brainwashing is? Isn't that what the christian church or Islam or any religion always has been doing?
Indoctrination people. Scientology is not the enemy really, they have just happened to become the target I think mainly because of Tom Cruise's weird behaviour
I think the issue here Jens, is that this cult/religion, what have you, could potentially become a big social problem if it becomes as powerful as the traditional religions in terms of numbers and social influence.
Can you imagine how dangerous Islam or Christianity would be if they were all unified under a handful of leaders? That is the potential Scientology has, thus making it very dangerous.
Wow, how cant you understand rules 1&2? They were made in order not to get 4chan hacked in return, after 4chan makes a raid. Basically 4chan /i/nvades a website and spams it with the trash and the owners/users of the website have no clue who the fuck owned them, unless some moron spoils everything and reveals that "you got owned by 4chan". The idea is to OWN and make them wonder who owned them.
If they know 4chan did the raid, they might sue, or come back and spam 4chan (if this is even possible)
I used to participate on a small, private board that would make raids and the whole idea was not to reveal who did the raid. With TRUSTED people (which is like impossible on 4chan), you could set up an attack on a heavily fortified forum, by saying "today we make accounts, next week we attack" - while 4chan is "here and now" cuz some damn faggot has to spoil everything and reveal the boards name (well, they hacked 4chan few times, but whatever)
Scientology also had a "fair game" rule that basically tells them do anything to people who are opposing the church.
The homes, property, places and abodes of persons who have been active in attempting to: suppress Scientology or Scientologists are all beyond any protection of Scientology Ethics, unless absolved by later Ethics or an amnesty ... this Policy Letter extends to suppressive non-Scientology wives and husbands and parents, or other family members or hostile groups or even close friends.
On February 11 2008 21:24 JensOfSweden wrote: I think this is kind of silly to be honest, authorities should do more about scientology not some random internet people
That's kinda the point of the protests, to bring more attention to the problem. "Authorities" clearly aren't doing enough.
the leader of scientology's mother in law committed suicide by shooting herself three times in the chest and then once in the head with an automatic rifle.
this clip reminds me rather vividly of a scene from the simpsons; in the episode where bart is slated to inherit mr burns' fortune. burns and bart are watching an episode of "itchy and scratchy", and by the time the episode is finished, burns is laughing uncontrollably, gasping out "that cartoon mouse butchered that cat like a hog i tell you, butchered him a like a hog!". bart is pretty unsettled after witnessing this, and asks to leave.
honestly, after hearing cruise recount a tale like that, i wouldn't have blamed dave if he had asked for permission to leave his own show
edit: i know cruise is in all likelihood making this up as a funny anecdote or something, but the way he tells the story is a little strange