EPT[H] Getting high - Page 5
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BombSniffingDog
Turkmenistan107 Posts
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nA.Inky
United States794 Posts
Many people here make light of marijuana use. Of course many of these (not all) are the same people who are bragging about their latest bong or glass pipe, how much weed they smoked last week, how stoned they are right now, and so on. Do you trust an alcoholic who tells you the health benefits of wine consumption? Are these stoners really concerned about your health and mental well being, or are they interested in rationalizing and justifying their own drug habit? To be sure, marijuana is not tobacco or heroin, but that doesn't make it harmless. One can probably use marijuana occasionally and be basically safe. But does your common sense tell you it's safe and responsible to be using daily, or even weekly? The first time I smoked dope (the first time out of probably over 1,000 - 2,000 times), I was sore all night. My lungs felt raped - so burned. My mind was sluggish for hours after my high. What does this mean? I don't think it means anything good. After smoking for a long time, I developed a chronic cough. I wonder what that means? It went away after a few weeks of not smoking. Some things to watch for: - If you are smoking daily or close to daily - If you require more weed to get the same high you used to get - If you find yourself getting nervous or anxious when your weed is running out - If most of your social interactions revolve around weed - If you use weed to help you sleep or escape from life's struggles - If you are experiencing unpleasant mental or physical effects - If you feel weed is necessary to enhance life's pleasures - If you worry that you might have a problem, or ought to cut back You probably have a problem. You should look into a course correction. Weed is one of those drugs that, for many people, is not really a big deal in and of itself, but it has a way of slowly taking over your life. True, it is PROBABLY not physically addictive (I could always quit with no physical effects), but what difference does that make if you find yourself doing it all the time and having a hard time quitting? Consider too that for so long - possibly even to the present - the "experts" would not say tobacco CAUSES cancer. In science, it is difficult to make an absolute claim. This is why scientists won't say the theory of evolution is absolutely correct, just that it is almost definitely correct. ALMOST. Well, the same way, don't you think all these people who claim marijuana never killed a single person are playing on that same kind of scientific "uncertainty?" Of course marijuana will kill you if you smoke it all the time. You WILL get cancer. You will get infections. You can't put burning smoke, full of radioactive and other active compounds into your lungs and be healthy. It will catch up to you. Just be smart about it, folks. | ||
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nA.Inky
United States794 Posts
Many popular foods impact your physical health, causing obesity, heart problems, diabetes, and various degenerative diseases. Refined sugar impacts the mind and weakens the immune system. Artificial sweeteners like Aspartame cause brain damage (your diet coke is probably worse for your brain than weed!), memory loss, cancer, and much, much more. So, in many ways, the silly comparison of weed with various crap foods is useful. We should, indeed, pay attention to our whole lifestyle, and not merely the drugs we consume. Good point! | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32049 Posts
On December 19 2007 13:51 BombSniffingDog wrote: Weed is very addictive and can destroy your future if you fall into the addiction. Like this one stand up comedian said, "Weed doesn't lead to harder drugs or violence, it leads to construction work." Although I would have to disagree that weed doesn't lead to harder drugs. I lack of a lot of common sense and good judgement abilities ( or at least I did in high school ) and weed led me to cocaine, ecstasy, meth, crack, etc. But that's just me, one case of many. Smoking weed everyday is no way to live. Like an earlier poster said, it is a pathetic life. I guess if you're from rich roots and don't have to worry about money for the rest of your life, you should spark up every chance you get. But most people who have to eventually grow up and support themselves learn that marijuana and all other form of mind altering substances can sabatoge your ambitions and passions in life. I think alot of the blatant pro-drug users have either smoked themselves retarded, or haven't seen the sinister effects marijuana and other drugs can have on youth. There is nothing worse than a pseudo-intellectual pothead pontificating about the intricate and delicate nature of the 'crazy and trippy' universe around us, ya know? addictive lawl goodness, you all need to get high! | ||
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intotherainx
United States504 Posts
On December 19 2007 15:00 nA.Inky wrote: ... Many people here make light of marijuana use. Of course many of these (not all) are the same people who are bragging about their latest bong or glass pipe, how much weed they smoked last week, how stoned they are right now, and so on. Do you trust an alcoholic who tells you the health benefits of wine consumption? Are these stoners really concerned about your health and mental well being, or are they interested in rationalizing and justifying their own drug habit? ... this man speaks the truth | ||
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nA.Inky
United States794 Posts
Hawk! I appreciate your humor and your posts, but dude!!!! Maybe you should get sober! LOL1111!! | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
PS- the cold hands thing could be totally unrelated (maybe has something to do with the weather or your computer fans when you happen to be high). But the Pounding heart and forced breathing thing I have had before. I used to have this old spring bed and I would sometimes lay down after smoking mad bowls and just listen to the spring creak and the bed shake to my heart beat. Its really cool/scary at the same time. PPS- Also Weed has evolved considerably in the last couple decades. bBack in our parents day it was just the average home grown weak shit. So they could smoke every day for 30 years and be normal. Nowadays they have scientists and botonists and college horticulturists growing it hydroponically in a lab for maximum potency etc. Here in california the weed is always super dank nobody even wants "BCs" anymore which is now a lower form of 'chronic' weed. So that is another reason why its so hard to speculate how much a person can handle because they are not always getting the same dosages all the time and its not even the same dosage at all as some kid in the midwest or newyork cause its always shittier weed no matter what. (you get what I'm saying?) PPPS - odd, firefox thinks I spelled occurence wrong. Thats like the 6th word its done this to me for since I've been using the firefox spellcheck. | ||
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baal
10540 Posts
On December 19 2007 13:51 BombSniffingDog wrote: Weed is very addictive No it is not and stop pulling facts out of your ass, its absolutely no physiologically adictive. Pepsi is in fact even more addictive than weed so dont spill that bs again. Unlike others i dont defend drugs because im a heavy user or anything, actually im a very mild recreational user who can (and has) go as long as 6 months withouth a single touch, so stop insisting that its only druggies justifying their habit. Im a rational and WELL INFORMED person about drugs, who has tried and used the drug. If his problem is physical about the smoke then he should get rid of the smoke not the weed. | ||
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nA.Inky
United States794 Posts
A lot of people here talk about smoking for 4 or 5 years with no problems. How do you know the next time you get stoned out of your mind won't be the straw that breaks the camels back? That's how it was for me... Many of the potheads here are very young. They do not know yet what the consequences of their behavior will be. When you play with your brain chemistry and your health, you are rolling the dice... I hope those of you that have been lucky remain lucky. | ||
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iloveHieu
United States1919 Posts
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nA.Inky
United States794 Posts
I don't think it's the governments business, and the drug war exemplifies foolishness. People should be free to choose. But it's also important that people know what they are getting into, and many people are not like you, Baal - they do not control themselves, or they cannot control themselves. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On December 19 2007 15:32 nA.Inky wrote: Good post Charlie Murphy. My experience and my research have shown the exact same thing. At some point, maybe a year into your habit, or maybe 20 years into your habit, you turn a corner and bam, feelings of impending doom (oh that sounds dreadfully familiar), horror, emptiness, meaninglessness.... And many pot heads realize that these feelings persist BEYOND their high. I suffered an intense panic/depressive disorder that I attribute primarily to weed. A lot of people here talk about smoking for 4 or 5 years with no problems. How do you know the next time you get stoned out of your mind won't be the straw that breaks the camels back? That's how it was for me... Many of the potheads here are very young. They do not know yet what the consequences of their behavior will be. When you play with your brain chemistry and your health, you are rolling the dice... I hope those of you that have been lucky remain lucky. The problem with this is that most people who smoke weed are 'cool' and if you don't smoke you're a 'pussy' etc. So there is a bit of a stigma when you are quitting or people just generally thinking that the facts only apply to 'bitches'. They apply to everyone, just everyones chemistry and point is a different place just like all drugs/alcohol. It took me probably 4 years of almost daily smoking before I started to get the bad highs (I started when i was 11). And after words I didn't realize it at the time I had a mild anxiety disorder until I was about 21. It wasn't until I was in this college class one day that was painfully akward and silent that I realized I was having a panic attack. Luckily for me I knew ahead of time how to deal with such things (without drugs) and they have stopped since that day. I have been meaning to get high out of curiousity just to see if its fun or whatever one afternoon. I've been to lazy to try and get some weed. It also probably doesn't help that most people who start smoking weed are teenagers and their minds are not fully developed yet. So if they were sober 24/7 they might have a slight shyness or anxiety that would probably go away in a year or 2, but since they smoke weed it just intesifies it and can often result in real problems. Some kids don't even realize too that they are self medicating their disorders. I knew a girl who was doing that. PS- Sorry if Inka and my posts seem scary to readers. These probably only apply to chronic users. If you are just smoking like 1-5 times a month or less you're probably ok. I'm talking about people who smoke like 10-30 times a month or more. | ||
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BombSniffingDog
Turkmenistan107 Posts
On December 19 2007 15:30 baal wrote: No it is not and stop pulling facts out of your ass, its absolutely no physiologically adictive. Pepsi is in fact even more addictive than weed so dont spill that bs again. Unlike others i dont defend drugs because im a heavy user or anything, actually im a very mild recreational user who can (and has) go as long as 6 months withouth a single touch, so stop insisting that its only druggies justifying their habit. Im a rational and WELL INFORMED person about drugs, who has tried and used the drug. If his problem is physical about the smoke then he should get rid of the smoke not the weed. lol you dont know shit | ||
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intotherainx
United States504 Posts
On December 19 2007 15:30 baal wrote: No it is not and stop pulling facts out of your ass, its absolutely no physiologically adictive. Pepsi is in fact even more addictive than weed so dont spill that bs again. Unlike others i dont defend drugs because im a heavy user or anything, actually im a very mild recreational user who can (and has) go as long as 6 months withouth a single touch, so stop insisting that its only druggies justifying their habit. Im a rational and WELL INFORMED person about drugs, who has tried and used the drug. If his problem is physical about the smoke then he should get rid of the smoke not the weed. there can easily be mental addiction, ie what inky mentions in his post at top of page 5 (social smoking, using it to escape from life's problems, etc etc) which can be much stronger than a physiological addiction. | ||
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nA.Inky
United States794 Posts
I think my pot smoking peaked when all my friends were pot smokers. I had quit BW and fell into a pot smoking community. Of course, when I developed problems and had to quit weed, all my friends seemed different. They all said they respected me and my decision, but things were not the same. I think many drug users hang out together because they enable and validate each other. This is why it is important to consider how much weed figures into one's social life - if it plays a big part, there is a recipe for trouble. I occasionally go back and smoke - maybe once every couple months or so. It definitely isn't as good as it used to be. Often times I do experience great paranoia or unpleasant mind games, but it can level out and be fun. But like you, I miss it so little that I don't make any effort to get it or try it, and usually turn it down when offered, since I prefer being my normal self now. In my sober state, I can think quickly, creatively, and powerfully, and I have far more motivation and energy. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
On December 18 2007 20:21 gLyo wrote: You could try baking the marijuana into brownies and see if that helps. AhAHa "911? I think we're dying" | ||
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nA.Inky
United States794 Posts
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Skew
United States1019 Posts
I know some might jump on me for saying that, but you're fighting an already lost battle. Find any knowledgeable neurobiologist and ask them the effects that marijuana can have on your brain. You're bound to find out some scary shit. Luckily most people don't have bad reactions to it, and that's why it's so popular (unfortunately people who don't have a reaction are too stupid to understand that their experience doesn't mean it's safe in general). I never personally had any heart racing/cold hands/paranoia problems, but I had some others. Still can't understand why you'd ever continue something that causes worry like this. It's not that great. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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