I'm not sure if this is anything, it could just be me getting way too stoned, but i'm getting a little worried about it now.
I've been smoking cannabis for a little over 4 years now and i've kinda been noticing something. It seems that sometimes when i get high, my body goes a little weird. Firstly my hands just freeze, they go so cold that it gets a bit hard to move them around. At first i thought it was because i had been outside a lot when we used to get high and so they are just cold naturally, but i've been indoors on hot days and they still just get really cold. Sometimes my heart just races. I can feel it thumping and it's a little odd. Finally it feels like the bottom of my lungs just go dead. When i breathe it seems like i only intake half as much air as usual and this leaves me a bit exhausted at times so i then have to manually breathe for a bit.
I dunno really, does anyone else get this? Is there perhaps something a little off with me or is it that i'm just getting too high?
I used to get a weird upper back pain whenever I got high but never when I wasn't. I don't know if it was just in my head or not as I doubt weed can cause upper back pain.
Also pot increases heart rate.
Good weed will sometimes give you a "body high" which will make your body feel weird (great to have sex on )
These are simply the results of having smoked marijuana for an extended period of time. Decreased circulation, and poor lung capacity. A racing heart happens everytime you get high, but perhaps you are noticing it more because your heart is having to work harder and harder.
The decision you need to make now is whether you are willing to live with these side effects and continue to get high (ensuring that they will also get worse) or if you are willing to make a change in lifestyle for a healthier body (but less high-ness).
On December 18 2007 20:15 ToT)OjKa( wrote: I'm not sure if this is anything, it could just be me getting way too stoned, but i'm getting a little worried about it now.
I've been smoking cannabis for a little over 4 years now and i've kinda been noticing something. It seems that sometimes when i get high, my body goes a little weird. Firstly my hands just freeze, they go so cold that it gets a bit hard to move them around. At first i thought it was because i had been outside a lot when we used to get high and so they are just cold naturally, but i've been indoors on hot days and they still just get really cold. Sometimes my heart just races. I can feel it thumping and it's a little odd. Finally it feels like the bottom of my lungs just go dead. When i breathe it seems like i only intake half as much air as usual and this leaves me a bit exhausted at times so i then have to manually breathe for a bit.
I dunno really, does anyone else get this? Is there perhaps something a little off with me or is it that i'm just getting too high?
On December 18 2007 20:15 ToT)OjKa( wrote: I'm not sure if this is anything, it could just be me getting way too stoned, but i'm getting a little worried about it now.
I've been smoking cannabis for a little over 4 years now and i've kinda been noticing something. It seems that sometimes when i get high, my body goes a little weird. Firstly my hands just freeze, they go so cold that it gets a bit hard to move them around. At first i thought it was because i had been outside a lot when we used to get high and so they are just cold naturally, but i've been indoors on hot days and they still just get really cold. Sometimes my heart just races. I can feel it thumping and it's a little odd. Finally it feels like the bottom of my lungs just go dead. When i breathe it seems like i only intake half as much air as usual and this leaves me a bit exhausted at times so i then have to manually breathe for a bit.
I dunno really, does anyone else get this? Is there perhaps something a little off with me or is it that i'm just getting too high?
first topic yay
ur a towel
No, I'm a big book publisher who's not the least bit interested in your stony memoirs. You're a towel.
I'm sort of in the same situation as you. I used to have long smoke sessions with my friends normally tobacco and a few times weed. I weigh 145 lbs and had surgery which mighta affected my lungs too but it's harder for me to breathe now as well compared to say before 10th grade(before i started smoking).
Sometimes its hard for me to sleep at night because my lungs or throat or w/e just doesnt feel as clean as it used to be and its a bit diff from how i was breathing before i smoked. Argh the really only time i smoke is when im at a party or when im stressed out. But i havent done either of those in months now. But yea Smoking is horrendous for your health and its one of the things that i wish my body had more tolerance level for. It's hard to pass off smoking when with nice ladies, group of friends, etc and everyones doing it. I suggest you stop completely sell all your cannabis put away your lighters somewher and dont buy anymore to smoke.
Don't be too frightened, like others have said this is typical of prolonged marijuana use. I get some of these symptoms when I am high, particularly numb/uncontrolled fingers and the feeling like your lungs collapsed. The latter usually comes when I take a monster hit, the previous usually comes when I smoked more than I usually do and my fingers just become retarded. Overall, having cold fingers even when not under the influence is typical of smokers of both reefer and cigarettes alike, because of decreased circulation, as Manifesto said. I've been smoking a little over 5 years, and I don't have that yet, but I do feel that my hands get colder before those of others.
Perhaps you should give smoking a few month break, do some cardio exercises to get a little of those limitations loosened a bit, and then start up again and see how you feel.
Edit: After reading the above post, I'd have to say that seems like a pretty harsh case. If it's that bad, perhaps you SHOULD stop. I don't get any of those problems myself - I still perform just as well in sports and running, but who knows if I would be better if I hadn't smoked? It just matters if you are putting a serious detriment to your day-to-day health, in which case I think getting high is not worth it. As for stress, although substance abuse is the easiest and most entertaining way to get rid of it, there are many other ways as well. I never smoke alone (just seems lame to me), so when I'm stressed and no friends are available, I listen to some good music and play some low-level SC or read my favorite books. Watch your favorite movie, eat your favorite food, etc. Good luck [:
mani said it best. pot smoking will effect you mentally and physically; although many people live successful lives and still smoke everyday. just remember: you control the pot, it doesn't control you.
It sounds like the marijuana is causing an anxiety reaction in you. I believe this is fairly common, and would explain your cold hands. Whenever your body goes into fight or flight mode, it pulls blood into your core so that you are less likely to bleed from injuries to the extremities. It is preparing you for damage, essentially. Your increased heart rate is also likely a result of anxiety. However, it is also known that marijuana greatly increases the heart rate, and is consequently not recommended for people with heart trouble.
You might try to avoid getting so high.
Also, many smokers do not realize that long term abuse of marijuana can lead to serious mental problems. I have read much pro-marijuana material, and it is rarely mentioned that marijuana is associated with very serious anxiety and depressive disorders. Unfortunately for me, I learned how profoundly marijuana can affect the mind when my long term heavy abuse caught up to me in the form of an extreme anxiety disorder, which has taken a year or two to get over.
You might do some searches on "marijuana, anxiety" and see what you come up with. Increasingly it is recognized that some people have developed serious disorders from abusing marijuana. Like me, they were fine day after day, getting extremely high, and then one day, out of the blue, they are in "bat country" - scared out of their minds, whether sober or not.
Beware, I tell you. Do not abuse marijuana. Use it in extreme moderation. Appreciate it as a special treat. I recommend not using it at all.
Also, people ought to consider that if they are smoking daily (not sure if this is the case with the original poster), they have a drug problem. There is no reason why you should be augmenting your brain chemistry on a daily basis. Occasionally? If you wish. But daily? This is unwise, and it WILL catch up to you one way or the other.
Remember that marijuana has some 420 compounds (lol!) and something like 60 active compounds within the smoke. 60 active compounds working in isolation and synergistically. No one knows precisely how this will affect your brain when you take the drug frequently.
Yeah, they theorize that Cannabis stays in your fat (brain is made of fat). Personally, I used to smoke quite a bit, maybe not like every day, but at the minimum every 2-3 days. I gave up on it because burning out is shitty and boring, I had low body fat so I could stay that way into the next day easily. I just found some better things to do, books to read and stuff, than be that kind of useless and hungry all the time. My advice: maybe find something better to do, intellectually at least, and don't hangout with those stoner friends as much. Once you become disconnected from that scene you'll see how kind of sad they all look sitting around on a couch all day eating chips. I'm not saying it completely bad, I'll still smoke a bowl or w.e every once in a while, but its a pretty shitty life style.
I have to agree with everyone who says not to do it. I've seen both tobacco and MJ "ruin lives." Even in it's most simplistic use (IE - original poster) it obviously causes problems. Although as against smoking as I am, i still learned a thing or two from some people in this thread.
sometimes when i smoke REAL good stuff parts of my body go numb, like my eyebrow area and it feels really weird.. so having only smoked like 6 months i'm surprised these feelings are new to you for having smoked for so long
On December 19 2007 01:40 Hawk wrote: You have to be a pretty big retard to let weed ruin your life. If you do, chances are, you would have done it without it anyway .
Dude, I'm so high right now.
And yeah, weed makes me anxious - to which the only cure is to eat a bag of doritos and pass out on the couch ;-). Sucks for the OP.
you're just paranoid. weed is harmless. i was a heroin addict for 4 years and i've also smoked pot for long periods of time (before and after getting clean from heroin) and i've dealt with the side effects of both. Side effects of smoking pot, even for very extended periods, are nothing to really worry about as far as serious health risks go, just make sure you do cardio exercise once in a while and don't smoke cigarettes.... when you deal with the incresed heart rate and difficulty breathing from speedballing (which is really scary) weed is really nothing...
Of course staying off drugs completely is always the best choice.. like everyone says. But seriously if all you do is smoke weed it's really less hazardous to your health than even smoking cigarettes.
On December 19 2007 02:12 stk01001 wrote: you're just paranoid. weed is harmless. i was a heroin addict for 4 years and i've also smoked pot for long periods of time (before and after getting clean from heroin) and i've dealt with the side effects of both. Side effects of smoking pot, even for very extended periods, are nothing to really worry about as far as serious health risks go, just make sure you do cardio exercise once in a while and don't smoke cigarettes.... when you deal with the incresed heart rate and difficulty breathing from speedballing (which is really scary) weed is really nothing...
Of course staying off drugs completely is always the best choice.. like everyone says. But seriously if all you do is smoke weed it's really less hazardous to your health than even smoking cigarettes.
what kind of heroin?
everyone is always like "shit shane, tar heroin is nastyyyy" but i'm like "whaaaa"
On December 19 2007 02:12 stk01001 wrote: you're just paranoid. weed is harmless. i was a heroin addict for 4 years and i've also smoked pot for long periods of time (before and after getting clean from heroin) and i've dealt with the side effects of both. Side effects of smoking pot, even for very extended periods, are nothing to really worry about as far as serious health risks go, just make sure you do cardio exercise once in a while and don't smoke cigarettes.... when you deal with the incresed heart rate and difficulty breathing from speedballing (which is really scary) weed is really nothing...
Of course staying off drugs completely is always the best choice.. like everyone says. But seriously if all you do is smoke weed it's really less hazardous to your health than even smoking cigarettes.
On December 19 2007 02:12 stk01001 wrote: you're just paranoid. weed is harmless. i was a heroin addict for 4 years and i've also smoked pot for long periods of time (before and after getting clean from heroin) and i've dealt with the side effects of both. Side effects of smoking pot, even for very extended periods, are nothing to really worry about as far as serious health risks go, just make sure you do cardio exercise once in a while and don't smoke cigarettes.... when you deal with the incresed heart rate and difficulty breathing from speedballing (which is really scary) weed is really nothing...
Of course staying off drugs completely is always the best choice.. like everyone says. But seriously if all you do is smoke weed it's really less hazardous to your health than even smoking cigarettes.
aside from the fact that 1 blunt = 5 cigarettes ?
i forgot i smoke a whole pack of blutns a dah, Doh!
On December 19 2007 02:12 stk01001 wrote: you're just paranoid. weed is harmless. i was a heroin addict for 4 years and i've also smoked pot for long periods of time (before and after getting clean from heroin) and i've dealt with the side effects of both. Side effects of smoking pot, even for very extended periods, are nothing to really worry about as far as serious health risks go, just make sure you do cardio exercise once in a while and don't smoke cigarettes.... when you deal with the incresed heart rate and difficulty breathing from speedballing (which is really scary) weed is really nothing...
Of course staying off drugs completely is always the best choice.. like everyone says. But seriously if all you do is smoke weed it's really less hazardous to your health than even smoking cigarettes.
what kind of heroin?
everyone is always like "shit shane, tar heroin is nastyyyy" but i'm like "whaaaa"
On December 19 2007 02:12 stk01001 wrote: you're just paranoid. weed is harmless. i was a heroin addict for 4 years and i've also smoked pot for long periods of time (before and after getting clean from heroin) and i've dealt with the side effects of both. Side effects of smoking pot, even for very extended periods, are nothing to really worry about as far as serious health risks go, just make sure you do cardio exercise once in a while and don't smoke cigarettes.... when you deal with the incresed heart rate and difficulty breathing from speedballing (which is really scary) weed is really nothing...
Of course staying off drugs completely is always the best choice.. like everyone says. But seriously if all you do is smoke weed it's really less hazardous to your health than even smoking cigarettes.
aside from the fact that 1 blunt = 5 cigarettes ?
rofl so now it's one blunt = 5 cigs?
i remember like 2-3 years ago when they said one joint = 5 cigs
edit: has anyone ever tried 5 cigs back to back? yeah, you want to throw up. when have you ever wanted to trow up after a blunt? all i ever want to do after a blunt is eat, fuck, and sleep ;/
On December 19 2007 02:12 stk01001 wrote: you're just paranoid. weed is harmless. i was a heroin addict for 4 years and i've also smoked pot for long periods of time (before and after getting clean from heroin) and i've dealt with the side effects of both. Side effects of smoking pot, even for very extended periods, are nothing to really worry about as far as serious health risks go, just make sure you do cardio exercise once in a while and don't smoke cigarettes.... when you deal with the incresed heart rate and difficulty breathing from speedballing (which is really scary) weed is really nothing...
Of course staying off drugs completely is always the best choice.. like everyone says. But seriously if all you do is smoke weed it's really less hazardous to your health than even smoking cigarettes.
what kind of heroin?
everyone is always like "shit shane, tar heroin is nastyyyy" but i'm like "whaaaa"
don't do h rockkkk homie =[
nah i don't touch that stuff. i know like 7 people from highschool who are still in and out of rehab for it. that was more me calling bullshit on this guy.
On December 19 2007 02:12 stk01001 wrote: you're just paranoid. weed is harmless. i was a heroin addict for 4 years and i've also smoked pot for long periods of time (before and after getting clean from heroin) and i've dealt with the side effects of both. Side effects of smoking pot, even for very extended periods, are nothing to really worry about as far as serious health risks go, just make sure you do cardio exercise once in a while and don't smoke cigarettes.... when you deal with the incresed heart rate and difficulty breathing from speedballing (which is really scary) weed is really nothing...
Of course staying off drugs completely is always the best choice.. like everyone says. But seriously if all you do is smoke weed it's really less hazardous to your health than even smoking cigarettes.
aside from the fact that 1 blunt = 5 cigarettes ?
rofl so now it's one blunt = 5 cigs?
i remember like 2-3 years ago when they said one joint = 5 cigs
edit: has anyone ever tried 5 cigs back to back? yeah, you want to throw up. when have you ever wanted to trow up after a blunt? all i ever want to do after a blunt is eat, fuck, and sleep ;/
On December 19 2007 02:12 stk01001 wrote: you're just paranoid. weed is harmless. i was a heroin addict for 4 years and i've also smoked pot for long periods of time (before and after getting clean from heroin) and i've dealt with the side effects of both. Side effects of smoking pot, even for very extended periods, are nothing to really worry about as far as serious health risks go, just make sure you do cardio exercise once in a while and don't smoke cigarettes.... when you deal with the incresed heart rate and difficulty breathing from speedballing (which is really scary) weed is really nothing...
Of course staying off drugs completely is always the best choice.. like everyone says. But seriously if all you do is smoke weed it's really less hazardous to your health than even smoking cigarettes.
what kind of heroin?
everyone is always like "shit shane, tar heroin is nastyyyy" but i'm like "whaaaa"
don't do h rockkkk homie =[
nah i don't touch that stuff. i know like 7 people from highschool who are still in and out of rehab for it. that was more me calling bullshit on this guy.
lols plenty of people smoke 1 pack a day.
I don't care if you smoke, i'm just stating a fact.
i wasn't attacking you, i just find it funny how (in the US anyways) the only way we hear anything about weed and how bad it is is on some government endorsed anti-weed (not anti-drug LOL) commercial that always depicts a bunch of highschool boys being mischievous while being high. then they throw these numbers at us like "ONE BLUNT.. 5 CIGARETTES. STILL WORTH IT??". ok, that's fine, but at least cite your fucking sources or give me some reference since i try and make it a point NOT to believe everything i hear on government funded commercials.
Hawk says: "You have to be a pretty big retard to let weed ruin your life. If you do, chances are, you would have done it without it anyway."
The thing is, everyone thinks they have things under control. Of course no one is going to say "yeah, I am a retard, so I'm gonna end up screwing myself over with drugs." But it happens. I would rather err on the side of caution. Best to treat marijuana as a threat to your health, and I believe firmly that it is, and that is after using it for years.
There is very little reasoned thought with regard to the drug issues. The government and the medical people exaggerate risks to the point of ridiculousness, and the pro-drug people are in love with their drugs and tend to make drugs out to be harmless and safe (particularly marijuana). It is hard to find a reasoned perspective on the issue. Having looked at things as honestly as I can, the best I can come up with is this: marijuana is not an extreme threat, especially when used in moderation, but the potential for its abuse is very high, and repeatedly changing your brain chemistry and inhaling thick smoke cannot possibly be good for your mental or physical health.
So I think users need to ask "why am I doing this every day?" "Why do I turn to dope to have fun with friends, to enjoy food and music, to enjoy sex?" Because that, I think, is how it is for a lot of people. I've known many pot heads - and been one myself - and the norm is daily or near daily use. How can this not qualify as a drug problem? How can this possibly be safe?
The black and white stance on drugs leads people to have this all or nothing way of handling drugs, and that is simply idiotic.
The best thing you can do if you smoke weed regularly would be to cut way back. The best thing is to not use it at all.
im not sure of the specific details, but i know hash does that to you. should maybe stop for a while.. and if u cant stop, then at least use it as an ingrediant
On December 19 2007 02:12 stk01001 wrote: you're just paranoid. weed is harmless. i was a heroin addict for 4 years and i've also smoked pot for long periods of time (before and after getting clean from heroin) and i've dealt with the side effects of both. Side effects of smoking pot, even for very extended periods, are nothing to really worry about as far as serious health risks go, just make sure you do cardio exercise once in a while and don't smoke cigarettes.... when you deal with the incresed heart rate and difficulty breathing from speedballing (which is really scary) weed is really nothing...
Of course staying off drugs completely is always the best choice.. like everyone says. But seriously if all you do is smoke weed it's really less hazardous to your health than even smoking cigarettes.
aside from the fact that 1 blunt = 5 cigarettes ?
i dont get it.. who the hell smokes blunts with the tobacco still in? O_o
and theres only as much tobacco as you put in your joint..
Hey guys, i've been smoking for almost 8 years now, and i do not experience those sort of side effects. This could be a result of marijuana effecting different people in a different way, but it could also indicate that there could be another cause / partial cause for these side effects. Good luck with your decision
On December 19 2007 02:53 psyCrowe wrote: i bet its hash your smoking alot
im not sure of the specific details, but i know hash does that to you. should maybe stop for a while.. and if u cant stop, then at least use it as an ingrediant
On December 19 2007 02:12 stk01001 wrote: you're just paranoid. weed is harmless. i was a heroin addict for 4 years and i've also smoked pot for long periods of time (before and after getting clean from heroin) and i've dealt with the side effects of both. Side effects of smoking pot, even for very extended periods, are nothing to really worry about as far as serious health risks go, just make sure you do cardio exercise once in a while and don't smoke cigarettes.... when you deal with the incresed heart rate and difficulty breathing from speedballing (which is really scary) weed is really nothing...
Of course staying off drugs completely is always the best choice.. like everyone says. But seriously if all you do is smoke weed it's really less hazardous to your health than even smoking cigarettes.
aside from the fact that 1 blunt = 5 cigarettes ?
i dont get it.. who the hell smokes blunts with the tobacco still in? O_o
and theres only as much tobacco as you put in your joint..
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The Tar content is equal to 5 cigarettes which tbh depends on how its cured
On December 19 2007 02:12 stk01001 wrote: you're just paranoid. weed is harmless. i was a heroin addict for 4 years and i've also smoked pot for long periods of time (before and after getting clean from heroin) and i've dealt with the side effects of both. Side effects of smoking pot, even for very extended periods, are nothing to really worry about as far as serious health risks go, just make sure you do cardio exercise once in a while and don't smoke cigarettes.... when you deal with the incresed heart rate and difficulty breathing from speedballing (which is really scary) weed is really nothing...
Of course staying off drugs completely is always the best choice.. like everyone says. But seriously if all you do is smoke weed it's really less hazardous to your health than even smoking cigarettes.
aside from the fact that 1 blunt = 5 cigarettes ?
rofl so now it's one blunt = 5 cigs?
i remember like 2-3 years ago when they said one joint = 5 cigs
edit: has anyone ever tried 5 cigs back to back? yeah, you want to throw up. when have you ever wanted to trow up after a blunt? all i ever want to do after a blunt is eat, fuck, and sleep ;/
On December 19 2007 02:12 stk01001 wrote: you're just paranoid. weed is harmless. i was a heroin addict for 4 years and i've also smoked pot for long periods of time (before and after getting clean from heroin) and i've dealt with the side effects of both. Side effects of smoking pot, even for very extended periods, are nothing to really worry about as far as serious health risks go, just make sure you do cardio exercise once in a while and don't smoke cigarettes.... when you deal with the incresed heart rate and difficulty breathing from speedballing (which is really scary) weed is really nothing...
Of course staying off drugs completely is always the best choice.. like everyone says. But seriously if all you do is smoke weed it's really less hazardous to your health than even smoking cigarettes.
what kind of heroin?
everyone is always like "shit shane, tar heroin is nastyyyy" but i'm like "whaaaa"
don't do h rockkkk homie =[
nah i don't touch that stuff. i know like 7 people from highschool who are still in and out of rehab for it. that was more me calling bullshit on this guy.
ah ok =]. Yeah, I've seen a few people who I knew were on that shit, but no one personally close to me. Shit fucks you up.
anyway, back to op... I seriously question if anyone here who is relaly against weed has smoked it more than once in a blue moon.
mj messes with the ceretonin level of your bran (which makes you feel good etc). Having the brain bumping this up and down over and over again is not good. It's just like eating a lot of sugary food (but a lot more extreme) and the effect on insulin, leading to diabetes.
When the ceretonin levels are tampered with too much, this will lead to sleep problems, anxiety and ultimately depression.
This won't happen to everyone ofc. But it's just a matter of what quantities and luck/bad luck.
And if you smoke at least once every three days. That's about the time you have until you "need" more, due to addiction. Try to stay away from it more, see how you feel after that. And anything funny happening then, it is the mj. Not any other excuses.
If you get stoned every third day year after year. What do you call a guy getting drunk every third day, year after year? He's an alcoholic.
And you really can't compare cigarettes to mj. They do different stuff. Mj mostly messes with your brain, cigarettes mostly messes with lungs and heart. Comparing the "danger levels" is kinda funny when they do so different things.
Then their are the effects that aren't really harmful. Basicly you get stupid during month or so after every time you get stoned. Takes a long time to get that poison out of your body and you ability to perform WILL be lowered. But perhaps that's worth having the experience of getting high. Your choice. It won't really kill you, but it sucks for you if you are studying.
Sure, you can go smoking a lot without ever getting affected negatively.. or at least not any major negative effects. I know ppl who have smoken 15 cigarettes a day and lived til 90 without ever having any lung or heart disease. But seriously, that won't happen everyone..
Hawk: incorrect, dude! I smoked weed off and on from age 15 to 22. At age 22, I began a 6 month period of smoking pot all day every day, going literally only one day in that whole time that I didn't get high.
I consider myself essentially against marijuana, even though I will still smoke it once every couple months. The life of regular drug use is pathetic. I hope I never return to that.
Of course I am pro-legalization. People have to make decisions for themselves.
On December 19 2007 02:45 AmorVincitOmnia wrote: i wasn't attacking you, i just find it funny how (in the US anyways) the only way we hear anything about weed and how bad it is is on some government endorsed anti-weed (not anti-drug LOL) commercial that always depicts a bunch of highschool boys being mischievous while being high. then they throw these numbers at us like "ONE BLUNT.. 5 CIGARETTES. STILL WORTH IT??". ok, that's fine, but at least cite your fucking sources or give me some reference since i try and make it a point NOT to believe everything i hear on government funded commercials.
yay there's my little drug induced rant.
anybody with a brain knows the anti-drug ads are a piece of shit.
I guess i'm not credible enough to have my word count as something.
well, i don't smoke as much as i use to anyway so when i do get the chance, it is possible that i go a little overboard. It's not all the time i get the way that i described before so i guess it is a little to do with getting way too high, especially because the last green i smoked was fucking po...nothing like screaming "fuuuCKKKK YEEAAHHH!!!" as you start a game of solitaire :[]
one thing for definate though, i will start up some cardio vascular exercises and see how that goes. I should be doing it anyway, even more so that i smoke pot...
I will be more aware of some of the things that have been posted though. I should try pick up some other things to do other than stone
I smoke a lot of weed the last 2 years..and ya i do feel depressed alot which is why i keep smoking up. It's just a vicious cycle i can't seem to get out of.
Mr. Emo: I appreciate where you are, since I've been there myself. It seems like weed alleviates emotional pain. With many drugs there is that feeling that the drugs are helping, even as they are actually digging you even deeper into your problems.
In life, we must be careful to distinguish between pleasure and happiness. Pleasure does not equal happiness. Happiness comes through effort and discipline - it must be cultivated over time. Pleasure outside of happiness is empty and fleeting.
Identify what it is in your life that is deficient, and gradually take steps to address those things. Give yourself time.
If the path you are on isn't working, don't stay on that path.
On December 19 2007 03:41 Lord_of_Chaos wrote: mj messes with the ceretonin level of your bran (which makes you feel good etc). Having the brain bumping this up and down over and over again is not good. It's just like eating a lot of sugary food (but a lot more extreme) and the effect on insulin, leading to diabetes.
When the ceretonin levels are tampered with too much, this will lead to sleep problems, anxiety and ultimately depression.
like wtf r you talking about?where did you get this info from?YOUR BIOLOGY BOOK?
since when thc affects your brain through serotonin? one of the drugs having insane impact on the serotonin is mdma (also known as extasy) but not mj.
I see nothing worong with smoking other than legality issues here in teh states.Personaly I prefer having weed legal and beer/wine illegal(personal prefrence).With having kids i dont smoke to much but once in awhile i will while not at home or in seattle with wcg i did alot OO.
edit: i need to use some type f spell check grammer thing when posting in a weed thread, it doesnt help me at all. hahahha
On December 19 2007 04:28 LonelyMargarita wrote: So we delete any topic on file sharing because it's illegal, but drug use/possession threads are ok? Just to clarify...
On December 19 2007 04:28 LonelyMargarita wrote: So we delete any topic on file sharing because it's illegal, but drug use/possession threads are ok? Just to clarify...
yes
ad people don't care about drug threads, but they care about whether a site supports pirating shit
On December 19 2007 03:41 Lord_of_Chaos wrote: mj messes with the ceretonin level of your bran (which makes you feel good etc). Having the brain bumping this up and down over and over again is not good. It's just like eating a lot of sugary food (but a lot more extreme) and the effect on insulin, leading to diabetes.
When the ceretonin levels are tampered with too much, this will lead to sleep problems, anxiety and ultimately depression.
like wtf r you talking about?where did you get this info from?YOUR BIOLOGY BOOK?
since when thc affects your brain through serotonin? one of the drugs having insane impact on the serotonin is mdma (also known as extasy) but not mj.
ye, its xtc, not mj. xtc takes most of ur serotonin resources and uses them during the "trip/high", afterwards your brain lacks of serotonin, leading to bad mood and negative feelings. mj does not have these effects. doesnt happen to everyone tho, e.g. they dont have negative mood days after xtc trip.
talking about file sharing: specific sites you can go to to break the law, guides on how to break the law, actual links to illegal things
talking about drugs equivalent: specific addresses you can go to to buy illegal drugs, guides on how to actually get drugs, being able to actually offer a link that, when clicked, gives you drugs
we wouldn't allow either, but we do allow general discussions. this topic is the equivalent of "my finger is sore from clicking on torrents all day" or "i have no hd space because i downloaded the entire series of gilmore girls"--topics which I think we would probably allow.
therefore i do not think there is a double standard here. we would close topics where people ask for or give out drugs, wouldn't we? but not topics where we debate or talk about drug experiences, or ask for help with them. for instance someone might ask for help getting a file sharing program to work; even though most likely they will use it to break the law, we would probably allow it
Weak advice Amber. Just because prolonged drug use effects you in one way, doesn't mean it is the same for everyone. Different people react in different ways.
OP, I suggest reading what Inky has written, and then decide if you are willing to bear the side effects of your passtime, or if it is bad enough to motivate you to change.
SOme of the head shops in so cal were having a fire sale, I scored a 7-chamber Zob for 320, complete with ashcatcher.
It's a massive bong, just, a fucking tank. Everytime I hit it, it's like operating a piece of heavy machinery. I love to name my pieces with female names, but I gotta give this one a guys name, it's simply too girthy.
pics when I get home!
oh damn this isn't the regular "high" thread /ducks out
On December 19 2007 08:12 Manifesto7 wrote: Weak advice Amber. Just because prolonged drug use effects you in one way, doesn't mean it is the same for everyone. Different people react in different ways.
OP, I suggest reading what Inky has written, and then decide if you are willing to bear the side effects of your passtime, or if it is bad enough to motivate you to change.
sarrrrrrrcasmmmmmmmmmmm
Everybody has their own side-effects to marijuana use. Most are short-term and actually end up breaking down when you stop.
I think the only recognizable side-effect I've developed is... uhhh... er.... fuck.... ...
... ah memory loss!!!
Seriously though I would reduce your use and see how you're reacting. I would mark everything down. Use yourself as an experiment.
Inky talks about how bad black/white approach to drugs is and then finishes his post with "best is to never do it again"..
What in the fuck.... best is to never eat bacon again but who in the fuck cares... if you would truly believe what you said you wouldnt suggest that.
Maybe you should try and see if a cigarrette causes the same effect to see if its actually the smoke what is harming you, if its not its probably mental.
And its its the smoke well u got a weak organism bitch... deal with it, dont smoke as much and excersize more.
Weed is very addictive and can destroy your future if you fall into the addiction. Like this one stand up comedian said, "Weed doesn't lead to harder drugs or violence, it leads to construction work."
Although I would have to disagree that weed doesn't lead to harder drugs. I lack of a lot of common sense and good judgement abilities ( or at least I did in high school ) and weed led me to cocaine, ecstasy, meth, crack, etc. But that's just me, one case of many.
Smoking weed everyday is no way to live. Like an earlier poster said, it is a pathetic life. I guess if you're from rich roots and don't have to worry about money for the rest of your life, you should spark up every chance you get. But most people who have to eventually grow up and support themselves learn that marijuana and all other form of mind altering substances can sabatoge your ambitions and passions in life. I think alot of the blatant pro-drug users have either smoked themselves retarded, or haven't seen the sinister effects marijuana and other drugs can have on youth. There is nothing worse than a pseudo-intellectual pothead pontificating about the intricate and delicate nature of the 'crazy and trippy' universe around us, ya know?
On December 18 2007 20:41 MarklarMarklar wrote: stop for 1-2 months then your body goes back to normal
never go back again
this should work
fix'd really stop smoking, ruins lives =/
ruins lives...? ...... its not cocaine, heroin, or meth. It's weed, a herb. how does it ruin your life?
That's some retarded question right there. I have a friend who has been smoking weed for over 10 years now, he said his head hurts and he thinks really slow, it fuked up his brain somehow. He gave up his education because he feels lazy all the time (I keep encouraging him to quit & go to school though). If that's not ruining life I dunno wtf is.
I'll just say that when I took my girlfriend home about 1 hour ago I saw a tweaker ( a person who abuses meth for those unfamiliar with the term ) at the bus stop, shadowboxing in front of all the traffic. He really thought he was so hard. It's funny, my gf asked me if it was really that neccasary to act tough while waiting for the bus to come by yourself. I guess the fella had so much energy within that he couldn't contain himself, and had to refine some boxing skills. Too bad his eyes are too dilated to read a book, or else that's what I would have advised. To the Original poster, I really say you should stop smoking all together, and take the advice of this video to the heart:
Consider this: which is better, to use drugs to have fun and be happy, or to be able to have fun and be happy without any expensive drugs? I'd take the latter any day, and I'm not an ignorant person who hasn't experienced both worlds. Do you have to agree with me? Of course not. But I encourage you to think about these issues carefully, because when you smoke weed, you are putting 60 active chemical compounds into your brain, and you are putting thick, tar filled smoke into your lungs. Do you believe this is truly safe? Do you believe this won't have consequences?
Many people here make light of marijuana use. Of course many of these (not all) are the same people who are bragging about their latest bong or glass pipe, how much weed they smoked last week, how stoned they are right now, and so on. Do you trust an alcoholic who tells you the health benefits of wine consumption? Are these stoners really concerned about your health and mental well being, or are they interested in rationalizing and justifying their own drug habit?
To be sure, marijuana is not tobacco or heroin, but that doesn't make it harmless.
One can probably use marijuana occasionally and be basically safe. But does your common sense tell you it's safe and responsible to be using daily, or even weekly?
The first time I smoked dope (the first time out of probably over 1,000 - 2,000 times), I was sore all night. My lungs felt raped - so burned. My mind was sluggish for hours after my high. What does this mean? I don't think it means anything good. After smoking for a long time, I developed a chronic cough. I wonder what that means? It went away after a few weeks of not smoking.
Some things to watch for:
- If you are smoking daily or close to daily - If you require more weed to get the same high you used to get - If you find yourself getting nervous or anxious when your weed is running out - If most of your social interactions revolve around weed - If you use weed to help you sleep or escape from life's struggles - If you are experiencing unpleasant mental or physical effects - If you feel weed is necessary to enhance life's pleasures - If you worry that you might have a problem, or ought to cut back
You probably have a problem. You should look into a course correction.
Weed is one of those drugs that, for many people, is not really a big deal in and of itself, but it has a way of slowly taking over your life. True, it is PROBABLY not physically addictive (I could always quit with no physical effects), but what difference does that make if you find yourself doing it all the time and having a hard time quitting?
Consider too that for so long - possibly even to the present - the "experts" would not say tobacco CAUSES cancer. In science, it is difficult to make an absolute claim. This is why scientists won't say the theory of evolution is absolutely correct, just that it is almost definitely correct. ALMOST. Well, the same way, don't you think all these people who claim marijuana never killed a single person are playing on that same kind of scientific "uncertainty?" Of course marijuana will kill you if you smoke it all the time. You WILL get cancer. You will get infections. You can't put burning smoke, full of radioactive and other active compounds into your lungs and be healthy. It will catch up to you.
For those who make light of marijuana use by comparing it to bacon or potato chips, I'll say this: I highly recommend against consuming bacon and potato chips, for many reasons. Some of those reasons are the same as weed, although I doubt chips or bacon will affect your mental health much, or at all, compared to weed. But some foods will potentially impact your thinking, and certainly many foods will have ill impacts on your physical health. In the same way I encourage a rational approach to marijuana (and extreme moderation or abstinance), I encourage a rational approach to food.
Many popular foods impact your physical health, causing obesity, heart problems, diabetes, and various degenerative diseases. Refined sugar impacts the mind and weakens the immune system. Artificial sweeteners like Aspartame cause brain damage (your diet coke is probably worse for your brain than weed!), memory loss, cancer, and much, much more.
So, in many ways, the silly comparison of weed with various crap foods is useful. We should, indeed, pay attention to our whole lifestyle, and not merely the drugs we consume. Good point!
On December 19 2007 13:51 BombSniffingDog wrote: Weed is very addictive and can destroy your future if you fall into the addiction. Like this one stand up comedian said, "Weed doesn't lead to harder drugs or violence, it leads to construction work."
Although I would have to disagree that weed doesn't lead to harder drugs. I lack of a lot of common sense and good judgement abilities ( or at least I did in high school ) and weed led me to cocaine, ecstasy, meth, crack, etc. But that's just me, one case of many.
Smoking weed everyday is no way to live. Like an earlier poster said, it is a pathetic life. I guess if you're from rich roots and don't have to worry about money for the rest of your life, you should spark up every chance you get. But most people who have to eventually grow up and support themselves learn that marijuana and all other form of mind altering substances can sabatoge your ambitions and passions in life. I think alot of the blatant pro-drug users have either smoked themselves retarded, or haven't seen the sinister effects marijuana and other drugs can have on youth. There is nothing worse than a pseudo-intellectual pothead pontificating about the intricate and delicate nature of the 'crazy and trippy' universe around us, ya know?
On December 19 2007 15:00 nA.Inky wrote: ... Many people here make light of marijuana use. Of course many of these (not all) are the same people who are bragging about their latest bong or glass pipe, how much weed they smoked last week, how stoned they are right now, and so on. Do you trust an alcoholic who tells you the health benefits of wine consumption? Are these stoners really concerned about your health and mental well being, or are they interested in rationalizing and justifying their own drug habit? ...
I know I got to this thread late but there is a well documented occurence that long time users of MJ report 'turning a corner' in their MJ use. Instead of the fun euphoric normal experience from using the drug, they report things like this and other forms of paranoia, anxiety, panic attacks, or feelings of impending doom etc. This is part of the reason why I stopped smoking (which also just included my general laziness and health). The main reason however was that it just wasn't fun anymore. The first 20-30 times I did it, it was totally nuts, head trips, unorthodox abstract thinking, non stop laughter, etc. but with every time after that it just got progressively less fun and seemed more like I was just getting high to get high or because my friends were offering (I know that sounds cliche but its true). I still smoke occasionally when i'm really drunk or friends force me to (bribes or threats) but usually that just ends in me getting way too stoned and that coupled with me being way too drunk results in the spins. And we all know where that leads to, lol.
PS- the cold hands thing could be totally unrelated (maybe has something to do with the weather or your computer fans when you happen to be high). But the Pounding heart and forced breathing thing I have had before. I used to have this old spring bed and I would sometimes lay down after smoking mad bowls and just listen to the spring creak and the bed shake to my heart beat. Its really cool/scary at the same time.
PPS- Also Weed has evolved considerably in the last couple decades. bBack in our parents day it was just the average home grown weak shit. So they could smoke every day for 30 years and be normal. Nowadays they have scientists and botonists and college horticulturists growing it hydroponically in a lab for maximum potency etc. Here in california the weed is always super dank nobody even wants "BCs" anymore which is now a lower form of 'chronic' weed. So that is another reason why its so hard to speculate how much a person can handle because they are not always getting the same dosages all the time and its not even the same dosage at all as some kid in the midwest or newyork cause its always shittier weed no matter what. (you get what I'm saying?)
PPPS - odd, firefox thinks I spelled occurence wrong. Thats like the 6th word its done this to me for since I've been using the firefox spellcheck.
On December 19 2007 13:51 BombSniffingDog wrote: Weed is very addictive
No it is not and stop pulling facts out of your ass, its absolutely no physiologically adictive.
Pepsi is in fact even more addictive than weed so dont spill that bs again.
Unlike others i dont defend drugs because im a heavy user or anything, actually im a very mild recreational user who can (and has) go as long as 6 months withouth a single touch, so stop insisting that its only druggies justifying their habit.
Im a rational and WELL INFORMED person about drugs, who has tried and used the drug.
If his problem is physical about the smoke then he should get rid of the smoke not the weed.
Good post Charlie Murphy. My experience and my research have shown the exact same thing. At some point, maybe a year into your habit, or maybe 20 years into your habit, you turn a corner and bam, feelings of impending doom (oh that sounds dreadfully familiar), horror, emptiness, meaninglessness.... And many pot heads realize that these feelings persist BEYOND their high. I suffered an intense panic/depressive disorder that I attribute primarily to weed.
A lot of people here talk about smoking for 4 or 5 years with no problems. How do you know the next time you get stoned out of your mind won't be the straw that breaks the camels back? That's how it was for me...
Many of the potheads here are very young. They do not know yet what the consequences of their behavior will be. When you play with your brain chemistry and your health, you are rolling the dice... I hope those of you that have been lucky remain lucky.
Baal: sounds like you have been smart about it. Perhaps lucky, too. Many people end up not controlling themselves, and what starts out as a recreational activity becomes a daily routine. This cannot be healthy or good.
I don't think it's the governments business, and the drug war exemplifies foolishness. People should be free to choose. But it's also important that people know what they are getting into, and many people are not like you, Baal - they do not control themselves, or they cannot control themselves.
On December 19 2007 15:32 nA.Inky wrote: Good post Charlie Murphy. My experience and my research have shown the exact same thing. At some point, maybe a year into your habit, or maybe 20 years into your habit, you turn a corner and bam, feelings of impending doom (oh that sounds dreadfully familiar), horror, emptiness, meaninglessness.... And many pot heads realize that these feelings persist BEYOND their high. I suffered an intense panic/depressive disorder that I attribute primarily to weed.
A lot of people here talk about smoking for 4 or 5 years with no problems. How do you know the next time you get stoned out of your mind won't be the straw that breaks the camels back? That's how it was for me...
Many of the potheads here are very young. They do not know yet what the consequences of their behavior will be. When you play with your brain chemistry and your health, you are rolling the dice... I hope those of you that have been lucky remain lucky.
The problem with this is that most people who smoke weed are 'cool' and if you don't smoke you're a 'pussy' etc. So there is a bit of a stigma when you are quitting or people just generally thinking that the facts only apply to 'bitches'. They apply to everyone, just everyones chemistry and point is a different place just like all drugs/alcohol. It took me probably 4 years of almost daily smoking before I started to get the bad highs (I started when i was 11). And after words I didn't realize it at the time I had a mild anxiety disorder until I was about 21. It wasn't until I was in this college class one day that was painfully akward and silent that I realized I was having a panic attack. Luckily for me I knew ahead of time how to deal with such things (without drugs) and they have stopped since that day. I have been meaning to get high out of curiousity just to see if its fun or whatever one afternoon. I've been to lazy to try and get some weed.
It also probably doesn't help that most people who start smoking weed are teenagers and their minds are not fully developed yet. So if they were sober 24/7 they might have a slight shyness or anxiety that would probably go away in a year or 2, but since they smoke weed it just intesifies it and can often result in real problems.
Some kids don't even realize too that they are self medicating their disorders. I knew a girl who was doing that.
PS- Sorry if Inka and my posts seem scary to readers. These probably only apply to chronic users. If you are just smoking like 1-5 times a month or less you're probably ok. I'm talking about people who smoke like 10-30 times a month or more.
On December 19 2007 13:51 BombSniffingDog wrote: Weed is very addictive
No it is not and stop pulling facts out of your ass, its absolutely no physiologically adictive.
Pepsi is in fact even more addictive than weed so dont spill that bs again.
Unlike others i dont defend drugs because im a heavy user or anything, actually im a very mild recreational user who can (and has) go as long as 6 months withouth a single touch, so stop insisting that its only druggies justifying their habit.
Im a rational and WELL INFORMED person about drugs, who has tried and used the drug.
If his problem is physical about the smoke then he should get rid of the smoke not the weed.
On December 19 2007 13:51 BombSniffingDog wrote: Weed is very addictive
No it is not and stop pulling facts out of your ass, its absolutely no physiologically adictive.
Pepsi is in fact even more addictive than weed so dont spill that bs again.
Unlike others i dont defend drugs because im a heavy user or anything, actually im a very mild recreational user who can (and has) go as long as 6 months withouth a single touch, so stop insisting that its only druggies justifying their habit.
Im a rational and WELL INFORMED person about drugs, who has tried and used the drug.
If his problem is physical about the smoke then he should get rid of the smoke not the weed.
there can easily be mental addiction, ie what inky mentions in his post at top of page 5 (social smoking, using it to escape from life's problems, etc etc) which can be much stronger than a physiological addiction.
I think my pot smoking peaked when all my friends were pot smokers. I had quit BW and fell into a pot smoking community. Of course, when I developed problems and had to quit weed, all my friends seemed different. They all said they respected me and my decision, but things were not the same. I think many drug users hang out together because they enable and validate each other. This is why it is important to consider how much weed figures into one's social life - if it plays a big part, there is a recipe for trouble.
I occasionally go back and smoke - maybe once every couple months or so. It definitely isn't as good as it used to be. Often times I do experience great paranoia or unpleasant mind games, but it can level out and be fun. But like you, I miss it so little that I don't make any effort to get it or try it, and usually turn it down when offered, since I prefer being my normal self now. In my sober state, I can think quickly, creatively, and powerfully, and I have far more motivation and energy.
Also, for young people, it is important to consider that your brain is not fully developed until about the age of 23. You should be especially careful in choosing to use mind altering drugs before that age. Remember, just because scientists haven't proven that marijuana can do X Y Z to your body or mind, doesn't mean that it's not doin those things. When you smoke dope, you truly are acting as a guinea pig, and unfortunately, there aren't a lot of official studies of these things out there, so much of the "research" is hidden in the underground. Don't be a forgotten drug casualty/burnout/what have you.
Marijuana can have some very bad effects on certain people, apart from the general health concerns that it brings up. If you've never done it before, I'd always encourage you not to even try it. It's not worth it (but I do believe it should be legalized as I've said before, with every other drug).
I know some might jump on me for saying that, but you're fighting an already lost battle. Find any knowledgeable neurobiologist and ask them the effects that marijuana can have on your brain. You're bound to find out some scary shit. Luckily most people don't have bad reactions to it, and that's why it's so popular (unfortunately people who don't have a reaction are too stupid to understand that their experience doesn't mean it's safe in general).
I never personally had any heart racing/cold hands/paranoia problems, but I had some others. Still can't understand why you'd ever continue something that causes worry like this. It's not that great.
Inka, just out of curiousity have you ever done any other drugs during that time before or during chronic smoking? My friends for a while kept saying I didn't like to smoke because I got 'acid flashbacks' but I wasn't sure if it was related to me having smoked laced (PCP) weed or doing acid, etc.
Oh, and about the joint = 5 ciggaraettes thing. It just has to do with the fact that weed burns hotter than tobacco so it burns your lungs and causes temporary problems or more susceptability to bronchitis or whatever. Its not even remotely close to as bad as smoking ciggarettes though which can cause cancer among other things. You can not die from weed (although you can die being high/stupid).
On December 19 2007 15:50 nA.Inky wrote: Also, for young people, it is important to consider that your brain is not fully developed until about the age of 23. You should be especially careful in choosing to use mind altering drugs before that age. Remember, just because scientists haven't proven that marijuana can do X Y Z to your body or mind, doesn't mean that it's not doin those things. When you smoke dope, you truly are acting as a guinea pig, and unfortunately, there aren't a lot of official studies of these things out there, so much of the "research" is hidden in the underground. Don't be a forgotten drug casualty/burnout/what have you.
Good point I forgot to talk about. Every study that has shown marijuana can have indefinite effects on certain makeups, has shown that it will 99% happen under a certain age because of brain development.
And I don't think most of the information is "underground", it's just the problem that people who do take certain drugs think they know more since they had no problem, and in general real studies never get shown, but instead bias opinions.
CharlieMurphy, around the time I developed my mental problems, in addition to weed I had taken 2 intense, difficult mushroom trips (though not all bad), and 2 intense and nightmarish salvia trips (I most sincerely advise people to stay far clear of salvia - hands down the worst experiences of my entire life, by far!)
I was also a vegan during this time. As a vegan, and in general, I made many dietary mistakes (just to be clear, veganism can be very healthy, but the way I practiced it was not). I ate MUCH microwaved food (which is profoundly bad for you in many ways), drank much soy milk (soy is quite bad for you - but this fact is not often acknowledged because soy is one of America's cash crops) and did not eat enough foods that provide essential fats (which are necessary for healthy brain functioning.)
So, truthfully, my troubles resulted from a combination of bad lifestyle choices. But I do firmly believe marijuana was a key ingredient in my troubles, in part because a year later, after becoming symptom free, I suffered another anxiety disorder without using any other drugs, and with a different diet. The symptoms were not as severe, however.
It is true that after intense or bad trips, marijuana can often spark a flashback.
It is true that many of the pro drug people aren't aware of the negative research or self reports. Too many rely on pro-drug texts or resources like Erowid (I was one such person.) After I developed problems, I began digging deeper, and sure enough, lots of people out there have gotten f*cked up by weed, and a good bit of research does show some negative effects, including the apparent gradual degradation of the hippocampus (which is associated with memory!)
Marijuana (surprise!) is also linked to depression, anxiety, and schizophrenia. Is weed the cause of these disorders, or do people turn to the drug for help? I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't take a chance on it, and my personal experience gives me a very definite feeling...
But I never had a bad trip on acid or coke or any other hard drugs before the 'turning a corner'. It just slowly turned into crappy high, negative thinking high, semi-scary high, etc.
I have also smoked/snorted meth a few dozen times and Its totally not the high that most people get and totally different than the high I got from it the first 10 times or so. Its like a bad MJ high x10 because my mind/body is racing as well.
PS- I feel the need to post my first real high when I was 11, its easily one of my top 10 moments in life. Basically I had this fuzzy feeling in my head which turned into me thinking my head was a ballon and static electricity was bouncing around in my balloon head. Which eventually turned into gravity seemingly pulling me side to side. Which eventually turned into random laughter which eventually turned into non stop laughter and laughing at other people's laughter which made me laugh so hard my tear ducts dried out and my chest hurt the whole rest of the night. I would seriously pay to relive this day. Maybe thats what people hope for when they smoke every day and where the 'mental addiction' comes into play.
Like ChoboCop said above me, Too much of a good thing is probably a bad thing.
I smoke marijuana since 2002. To 2006 i smoked 20 times per year or something like that... Not much, because the shit in Bulgaria is a real SHIT! They are two options:
a) The marijuana isn't strong enough to get you high with only one roll; b) They put some extra shits in it (chemical ofc) and they sell it to you on a high prize.
I had to pick one of those two options. Well i pick a), because i didn't want any synthetic drugs.
Since then i start to smoke joint more and more... Not to mention that i have unlimited source (i am not paying for this).
So from 2006 in 1 week they are 2-3-4 days, which i don't even thought about any joint, because of work, studding, etc, etc... In days when i am smoking i smoke from 2 to 10 grams for lets say... 6-7 hours... Pure THC!
The result:
Well every day from Monday to Friday i get early in morning (6:30 am CET) to get to work and i always feel sleepy all day. But when i smoke a joint of my own (OCB Long slim) in morning before work i feel great all day! I work as i should, nobody notice my red eyes, the day is great!
So i don't know how to explain this, but instead of getting me slow i am starting to focusing more. Thats why i am a really good driver! Really! And i always drive high... :D
So one nice joint early in morning - makes your day! Hooray!
P.S. I don't smoke cigarettes. I eat Mexican, cubensis, psylocybin mushrooms and i also smoke Salvya Duvinorium. I've tried once: 2ci, 2cc, foxy, LSD, DMT, 5 MeO DMT, MDMA, Ayahuasca. All because i want it to explore my mind. Well foxy and MDMA was because we want it to try some things with my girl friend .
On December 19 2007 16:51 HeadBangaa wrote: It's funny, all the people who don't smoke herb yet act like they have something useful to say in this topic.
They do... they are the wisest of all..
For me, marijuanan lowers the immune system and causes acid reflux (or at least an increase in acid levels in the body). I think it's well known that marijuana fucks with the immune system and causes increased acid levels. For those reasons, overuse can make u look pale, make u lose apetite and not to mention the coughing.
However, infrequent use actually has a healing effect. I smoke, I munch out, I get better. Simple. So, I smoke here and there... abuse is an action.. not a substance.
On December 19 2007 13:51 BombSniffingDog wrote: Weed is very addictive
No it is not and stop pulling facts out of your ass, its absolutely no physiologically adictive.
Pepsi is in fact even more addictive than weed so dont spill that bs again.
Unlike others i dont defend drugs because im a heavy user or anything, actually im a very mild recreational user who can (and has) go as long as 6 months withouth a single touch, so stop insisting that its only druggies justifying their habit.
Im a rational and WELL INFORMED person about drugs, who has tried and used the drug.
If his problem is physical about the smoke then he should get rid of the smoke not the weed.
there can easily be mental addiction, ie what inky mentions in his post at top of page 5 (social smoking, using it to escape from life's problems, etc etc) which can be much stronger than a physiological addiction.
Food can create a mental addiction.... drinking water can create mental addiction... plucking ur hair can create a mental addiction.
The problem is not the substance... its the moron using it.
On December 19 2007 13:51 BombSniffingDog wrote: Weed is very addictive
No it is not and stop pulling facts out of your ass, its absolutely no physiologically adictive.
Pepsi is in fact even more addictive than weed so dont spill that bs again.
Unlike others i dont defend drugs because im a heavy user or anything, actually im a very mild recreational user who can (and has) go as long as 6 months withouth a single touch, so stop insisting that its only druggies justifying their habit.
Im a rational and WELL INFORMED person about drugs, who has tried and used the drug.
If his problem is physical about the smoke then he should get rid of the smoke not the weed.
there can easily be mental addiction, ie what inky mentions in his post at top of page 5 (social smoking, using it to escape from life's problems, etc etc) which can be much stronger than a physiological addiction.
Food can create a mental addiction.... drinking water can create mental addiction... plucking ur hair can create a mental addiction.
The problem is not the substance... its the moron using it.
ding ding ding ding! we have a winna!
so many people here are demonizing it... there are so many people who smoke on a regular basis (5 times a week +) that live very successful lives. shit, i work and go to school full time, pull a's and smoke daily...just dont let the stuff get in the way of what you got to do. and no people, you can't od on weed.
the mental addiction is just based completely on your personality, like baal said. same thing for the mental disorders. youre only going to be affected if you're predisposed. people don't 'go insane' from weed, that's the most ridiculous thing ive heard. you w3ere crazy to begin with, and youre body was a time bomb ready to explode. any number of things could have triggered it.
the only true negative side effects are:
lowered immune system
your lungs take more abuse than they would as a non smoker... seeing that most people don't smoke 5 blunts a day, it's efffect isnt too great. the biggest difference i notice (i dont touch cigs at all either) is that im a little shorter on breath than i used to be 4-5 years ago. then again, i also dont play sports anymore either.
On December 19 2007 13:51 BombSniffingDog wrote: Weed is very addictive
No it is not and stop pulling facts out of your ass, its absolutely no physiologically adictive.
Pepsi is in fact even more addictive than weed so dont spill that bs again.
Unlike others i dont defend drugs because im a heavy user or anything, actually im a very mild recreational user who can (and has) go as long as 6 months withouth a single touch, so stop insisting that its only druggies justifying their habit.
Im a rational and WELL INFORMED person about drugs, who has tried and used the drug.
If his problem is physical about the smoke then he should get rid of the smoke not the weed.
lol you dont know shit
There is _NO_ study that proves marijuana is addictive. There is _NO_ study that proves marijuana leads to criminal acts There is _NO_ study that proves marijuana is a "gateway drug"
This is all speculation and you bought into it. Stop acting ignorant and read a fucking book for once.
i just can't accept the fact that weed slowes my reaction time permanently and my short time memory gets worse as well. i need my fucking reactions for like ANYTHING.. i'm not paranoid, but there can always be a situation where split seconds count and i don't wanna die in a car accident e.g. because i smoked too much pot.
i want my mental agility as long as possible.
for the health thingy.. it's like with everything else: stop doing it for a while (or preferably completely), change your lifestyle (as far as health is concerned: sleep 8 hours per NIGHT regularly, do some sport, eat vegetables etc. etc.) and just WATCH how the difference is displayed to you. maybe it's surprising how much better you feel. but it needs a little time. bio rythm isn't changed that easily if you aren't for the hard way (don't sleep for a night or two and then make "a clean start") and if your body isn't used to sports you also need some time to feel good doing it (you're young, not much of a prob).
This deviates from the OP completely but this topic is long so this is a response to a lot of the current arguing. I am all for personal responsibility. You have numerous options to create experiences that aren't really possible without drugs. Whether these opportunities interest you, and for what purpose, is your business. Nothing is without risks, and there's no free lunch.
Most people seem to do drugs for "fun", which rings suspect to me. It's a word people say to describe all kinds of positive experiences. It's basically saying "this is good." So when people turn "fun" into an end in itself, that worries me. You should be finding ways to have fun in your real life, not segmenting off part of your life as "fun time", esp. with extra costs to achieve it. The danger of thinking of "fun" as an end in itself is obvious; you can easily fool yourself and keep calling the associated acts "fun" while you are using them as a coping mechanism that may really have nothing to do with the experience being good anymore. In other words, it might stop being fun, but you will still act like it is or say it is or tell yourself it is.
On December 19 2007 23:19 iloveHieu wrote: somehow it occurs to me some people thinking smoking weed is so cool wtf?
what in godsname does that have to do with anything
how about one of the reason some retards are doing it?
I'm pretty sure that only applies to young high schoolers... I sincerely doubt that anyone with any shred of maturity does it only because 'it's cool'. I mean, they couldn't possibly like it, could they?
On December 19 2007 23:19 iloveHieu wrote: somehow it occurs to me some people thinking smoking weed is so cool wtf?
what in godsname does that have to do with anything
how about one of the reason some retards are doing it?
srlsy i know how is this going to sound like but wtf, i dont care just try to think about it:
if someone does this once (ima talking about shrooms at the moment) sure it can be only for fun...
but if the person decides to do it again and again its not because its fun - ITS NOT!
it's a really serious thing that can be compared only to deep stage meditation and if you know nothing about it just stfu couse you'll just make an idiot out of yourself. shrooms are not a toy.
On December 19 2007 23:19 iloveHieu wrote: somehow it occurs to me some people thinking smoking weed is so cool wtf?
what in godsname does that have to do with anything
how about one of the reason some retards are doing it?
srlsy i know how is this going to sound like but wtf, i dont care just try to think about it:
if someone does this once (ima talking about shrooms at the moment) sure it can be only for fun...
but if the person decides to do it again and again its not because its fun - ITS NOT!
it's a really serious thing that can be compared only to deep stage meditation and if you know nothing about it just stfu couse you'll just make an idiot out of yourself. shrooms are not a toy.
Don't try arguing with ilovehieu, it's a waste of time.
OT: The cold hands have to do with your blood circulation, i get it all the time when im smoking. Just do some stretches using all that you can (fingers, wrist, arm, knees, legs) and you will be fine. On smoking weed, don't do it when you have shit to do, don't use it as an excuse for anything.
On December 19 2007 13:51 BombSniffingDog wrote: Weed is very addictive
No it is not and stop pulling facts out of your ass, its absolutely no physiologically adictive.
Pepsi is in fact even more addictive than weed so dont spill that bs again.
Unlike others i dont defend drugs because im a heavy user or anything, actually im a very mild recreational user who can (and has) go as long as 6 months withouth a single touch, so stop insisting that its only druggies justifying their habit.
Im a rational and WELL INFORMED person about drugs, who has tried and used the drug.
If his problem is physical about the smoke then he should get rid of the smoke not the weed.
there can easily be mental addiction, ie what inky mentions in his post at top of page 5 (social smoking, using it to escape from life's problems, etc etc) which can be much stronger than a physiological addiction.
Food can create a mental addiction.... drinking water can create mental addiction... plucking ur hair can create a mental addiction.
The problem is not the substance... its the moron using it.
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so many people here are demonizing it... there are so many people who smoke on a regular basis (5 times a week +) that live very successful lives. shit, i work and go to school full time, pull a's and smoke daily...just dont let the stuff get in the way of what you got to do. and no people, you can't od on weed.
the mental addiction is just based completely on your personality, like baal said. same thing for the mental disorders. youre only going to be affected if you're predisposed. people don't 'go insane' from weed, that's the most ridiculous thing ive heard. you w3ere crazy to begin with, and youre body was a time bomb ready to explode. any number of things could have triggered it.
the only true negative side effects are:
lowered immune system
your lungs take more abuse than they would as a non smoker... seeing that most people don't smoke 5 blunts a day, it's efffect isnt too great. the biggest difference i notice (i dont touch cigs at all either) is that im a little shorter on breath than i used to be 4-5 years ago. then again, i also dont play sports anymore either.
Actually you can OD on weed. Its just not gonna kill you or anything. When you OD you just get a headache and throw up or whatever. Its nothing serious. Its not actually known how much THC it would take to have a fatal overdose.
The only way you can die from directly ingesting or smoking weed is if its got fungus or some bacteria growing in/on it. I've actually seen some weed with some fungus and you can be pretty sure you'll notice when weed has gone bad.
all I meant was smoking weed with the reason being it makes you cool is retarded.
Hawk: well I did say some, of course not all weed smokers are retards.. still there's a thin line. drug_vict1m: I have nothing to say to you considering you name. Xeofreestyler: I read it couple days ago, was just dropping by and say something keke.
personally I never tried weed, I'd like to do it at least once to see what's it all about too but some bad stuff happened to my friend so I figured I better stay off of it.
edit: guess I just had some negative first impression with weed.
On December 20 2007 09:44 iloveHieu wrote: all I meant was smoking weed with the reason being it makes you cool is retarded.
Hawk: well I did say some, of course not all weed smokers are retards.. still there's a thin line. drug_vict1m: I have nothing to say to you considering you name. Xeofreestyler: I read it couple days ago, was just dropping by and say something keke.
personally I never tried weed, I'd like to do it at least once to see what's it all about too but some bad stuff happened to my friend so I figured I better stay off of it.
edit: guess I just had some negative first impression with weed.
stop voicing strong opinions about things you've never tried
and i guess i like 2ci about the same as mescaline, it's just so much easier to find 2ci on the east coast so when i find mescaline it's like OH SHIT MESCALINE
On December 20 2007 09:50 AmorVincitOmnia wrote: and i guess i like 2ci about the same as mescaline, it's just so much easier to find 2ci on the east coast so when i find mescaline it's like OH SHIT MESCALINE
what is 2ci? I've been wanting to try 2-CB since I read about it, you know that?
well there are too many books to try to look into every single one of them, so whatever appears to your eyes first will likely get judged, why do you think people dress nice coming into an interview?
ok no more further off topic I don't want to get in trouble, just pm me if interested -_-;;;;
On December 20 2007 09:44 iloveHieu wrote: all I meant was smoking weed with the reason being it makes you cool is retarded.
Hawk: well I did say some, of course not all weed smokers are retards.. still there's a thin line. drug_vict1m: I have nothing to say to you considering you name. Xeofreestyler: I read it couple days ago, was just dropping by and say something keke.
personally I never tried weed, I'd like to do it at least once to see what's it all about too but some bad stuff happened to my friend so I figured I better stay off of it.
edit: guess I just had some negative first impression with weed.
stop voicing strong opinions about things you've never tried
On December 20 2007 09:50 AmorVincitOmnia wrote: and i guess i like 2ci about the same as mescaline, it's just so much easier to find 2ci on the east coast so when i find mescaline it's like OH SHIT MESCALINE
what is 2ci? I've been wanting to try 2-CB since I read about it, you know that?
2ci is a lot more mental than 2cb i guess. it's also a lot more dangerous, less tested, and can potentially kill you a lot easier than 2cb haha. i've never had any problems though
2cb (we call it bromo-mescaline here heh) is more of a rave drug really. it's like taking LSD and x i guess. i can't ever seem to find it (it's not like i really look) in the states though. the only time i ever tried 2cb was when i went to amsterdam over the summer, and i'd much rather have that than the 2ci. so, yeah, if one day you're offered the choice between 2ci and 2cb, go for the 2cb.
On December 20 2007 09:50 AmorVincitOmnia wrote: and i guess i like 2ci about the same as mescaline, it's just so much easier to find 2ci on the east coast so when i find mescaline it's like OH SHIT MESCALINE
what is 2ci? I've been wanting to try 2-CB since I read about it, you know that?
2ci is a lot more mental than 2cb i guess. it's also a lot more dangerous, less tested, and can potentially kill you a lot easier than 2cb haha. i've never had any problems though
2cb (we call it bromo-mescaline here heh) is more of a rave drug really. it's like taking LSD and x i guess. i can't ever seem to find it (it's not like i really look) in the states though. the only time i ever tried 2cb was when i went to amsterdam over the summer, and i'd much rather have that than the 2ci. so, yeah, if one day you're offered the choice between 2ci and 2cb, go for the 2cb.
I see. Cool, I'll tell my friend who often goes to amsterdam.
@MPXMX, well since i organize Psychedelic Open Air parties (always in forests, mountains, lakes, etc, etc...) and i also play Dark Mystical Mushroom LSD Psychedelic Trance (You know Glowing Flame records?) you should know how i feel .
@To all, about the mental addiction shit...
People should start exploring their minds. Mostly only 3% of your brain is used... With more exploring you can learn things in life, science by your own, by all the things around you, no need to go to school, etc, etc... Trust me, i am doing this. The most important is to control your mind. If you do that, this words "Bad Trips" do not exist! Drugs like Mushrooms or LSD or Cacti or ... blah they are many... can really help you with your consciousness.
@CharlieMurphy, yep, once i've got a problem with my plants... There were a lot of bugs after i harvest all the plants. I don't know their name in English, but they eat all the plant if you let them... They way that i use to kill them was with vacuum .
@AmorVincitOmnia, 2ci is more for parties. Once in the middle of the night in Transylvania Calling Festival 2007 i went for several minutes in my car to roll one (i was on 2ci) and lots of dead and scary faces start to knock the windows of the car, trying to say something. It was one of my scariest trips, but i ignore my fear and said to me "Hey, i like twisted azian horror movies, so whats the problem with this trip? And everything turn into a forests, peace nature and many more things i love... Lots of hallucinations for sure .On Mescaline you can just sit on one spot and traveling in unknown worlds, just like on Salvia divinorum (well here is shorter).
@Xeofreestyler, 2,5-dimethoxy-4-iodophenethylamine a.k.a 2-ci. On festivals you can see it in purple capsules, like MDMA. N,N-diisopropyl-5-methoxy-tryptamine a.k.a Foxy, you can see it in red capsules. 2,5-dimethoxy-4-chlorophenethylamine a.k.a 2-cc, you can see it in orange capsules. They are many more formules but i want to keep them underground .
@All again, about Mushrooms <> LSD <> Mescaline and everything else... There is no "<" or ">", they are different drugs, with different effects, with different purpose. I won't tell you any trips, or experience on all of those above, i will just say that EVERYTIME IT'S DIFFERENT, BUT depends where you are taking them. If you take LSD only on parties every time, your trips will start being the same again and again. A little is same with mushrooms too... About Mescaline, i can't tell anything... Imo it's not for parties.
Now i won't tell you either which drugs is bad for your body and which not... I will just tell you one thing ORGANIC > synthetic, when we are talking about bad effects on your body. You just have to be carefful. Don't take too much you might get crazy for life.
On December 19 2007 15:27 CharlieMurphy wrote: I know I got to this thread late but there is a well documented occurence that long time users of MJ report 'turning a corner' in their MJ use. Instead of the fun euphoric normal experience from using the drug, they report things like this and other forms of paranoia, anxiety, panic attacks, or feelings of impending doom etc. This is part of the reason why I stopped smoking (which also just included my general laziness and health). The main reason however was that it just wasn't fun anymore. The first 20-30 times I did it, it was totally nuts, head trips, unorthodox abstract thinking, non stop laughter, etc. but with every time after that it just got progressively less fun and seemed more like I was just getting high to get high or because my friends were offering (I know that sounds cliche but its true). I still smoke occasionally when i'm really drunk or friends force me to (bribes or threats) but usually that just ends in me getting way too stoned and that coupled with me being way too drunk results in the spins. And we all know where that leads to, lol.
PS- the cold hands thing could be totally unrelated (maybe has something to do with the weather or your computer fans when you happen to be high). But the Pounding heart and forced breathing thing I have had before. I used to have this old spring bed and I would sometimes lay down after smoking mad bowls and just listen to the spring creak and the bed shake to my heart beat. Its really cool/scary at the same time.
PPS- Also Weed has evolved considerably in the last couple decades. bBack in our parents day it was just the average home grown weak shit. So they could smoke every day for 30 years and be normal. Nowadays they have scientists and botonists and college horticulturists growing it hydroponically in a lab for maximum potency etc. Here in california the weed is always super dank nobody even wants "BCs" anymore which is now a lower form of 'chronic' weed. So that is another reason why its so hard to speculate how much a person can handle because they are not always getting the same dosages all the time and its not even the same dosage at all as some kid in the midwest or newyork cause its always shittier weed no matter what. (you get what I'm saying?)
PPPS - odd, firefox thinks I spelled occurence wrong. Thats like the 6th word its done this to me for since I've been using the firefox spellcheck.
same with me. ive been getting bad highs now, always having to do with me concerned about getting a heart attack, but its not as bad as my friend has it. im extremely paranoid when im sober and under the influence and i think my OCD is getting worse, so i try to cut back, but its hard to stop when ur friends are doing it all the time and weed is a part of your social time. so to the non blazers out there, try not to make friends who smoke so much that ur forced to smoke weed everytime u hang out.
@ cold hands thing : lol i got that in my first high and was complaning aobut how my hands were so cold. it was not just cold hands but feeling cold shivers around the body too. i forgot i had that until i experienced it again recently with some super dank stuff. and charlie is right, i dont know about any other country//state, but california has some strong weed and my friend introduced some lab made weed to some hippie who used to smoke pot in the 60's and he was absolutely mind blown. i think the dank is what might change your personality and make you lazier, i say this from experience, but maybe its because im kinda young and my mind isnt fully developed yet.
On December 20 2007 16:34 InfectedMind wrote: @MPXMX, well since i organize Psychedelic Open Air parties (always in forests, mountains, lakes, etc, etc...) and i also play Dark Mystical Mushroom LSD Psychedelic Trance (You know Glowing Flame records?) you should know how i feel .
@To all, about the mental addiction shit...
People should start exploring their minds. Mostly only 3% of your brain is used... With more exploring you can learn things in life, science by your own, by all the things around you, no need to go to school, etc, etc... Trust me, i am doing this. The most important is to control your mind. If you do that, this words "Bad Trips" do not exist! Drugs like Mushrooms or LSD or Cacti or ... blah they are many... can really help you with your consciousness.
@CharlieMurphy, yep, once i've got a problem with my plants... There were a lot of bugs after i harvest all the plants. I don't know their name in English, but they eat all the plant if you let them... They way that i use to kill them was with vacuum .
@AmorVincitOmnia, 2ci is more for parties. Once in the middle of the night in Transylvania Calling Festival 2007 i went for several minutes in my car to roll one (i was on 2ci) and lots of dead and scary faces start to knock the windows of the car, trying to say something. It was one of my scariest trips, but i ignore my fear and said to me "Hey, i like twisted azian horror movies, so whats the problem with this trip? And everything turn into a forests, peace nature and many more things i love... Lots of hallucinations for sure .On Mescaline you can just sit on one spot and traveling in unknown worlds, just like on Salvia divinorum (well here is shorter). @Xeofreestyler, 2,5-dimethoxy-4-iodophenethylamine a.k.a 2-ci. On festivals you can see it in purple capsules, like MDMA. N,N-diisopropyl-5-methoxy-tryptamine a.k.a Foxy, you can see it in red capsules. 2,5-dimethoxy-4-chlorophenethylamine a.k.a 2-cc, you can see it in orange capsules. They are many more formules but i want to keep them underground .
@All again, about Mushrooms <> LSD <> Mescaline and everything else... There is no "<" or ">", they are different drugs, with different effects, with different purpose. I won't tell you any trips, or experience on all of those above, i will just say that EVERYTIME IT'S DIFFERENT, BUT depends where you are taking them. If you take LSD only on parties every time, your trips will start being the same again and again. A little is same with mushrooms too... About Mescaline, i can't tell anything... Imo it's not for parties.
Now i won't tell you either which drugs is bad for your body and which not... I will just tell you one thing ORGANIC > synthetic, when we are talking about bad effects on your body. You just have to be carefful. Don't take too much you might get crazy for life.
Please. Drugs are handed out in whatever form they are in. There are no predesignated rules about what drugs go in what colored capsules -- I've never ever seen MDMA in anything but pill form and in many, many colors. Also, dude, no "formulas" (you aren't giving us formulas, those are simply the chemical names of drugs) are "underground." You can find just about any drug that's ever been done on erowid.com.
Further, organic being better than synthetic is just a superstitious notion. There are countless natural things that will kill you just as dead as anything synthetic.
@Xeofreestyler, 2,5-dimethoxy-4-iodophenethylamine a.k.a 2-ci. On festivals you can see it in purple capsules, like MDMA. N,N-diisopropyl-5-methoxy-tryptamine a.k.a Foxy, you can see it in red capsules. 2,5-dimethoxy-4-chlorophenethylamine a.k.a 2-cc, you can see it in orange capsules. They are many more formules but i want to keep them underground
everyone being able to use wikipedia can give u those names, they r not underground lol. and wtf with the colours of those capsules...thats pure bs.
Lol, dudes... First you understand me wrong. Those aren't underground. Maybe it's even very populer in USA, since the first 13th foxy capsules were made in Chicago, as far as i know... Anyway they are other, which i am 100% sure are underground for you. I was speaking about them, and thats why i won't spell their names. I will just say that they are made in Japan. About the "Formula" don't take it in your USA language. I just don't know the right word to tell it, and i tought that this is the most common one. Well i am wrong. Chemical shitz, whatever you want call them, i don't care.
About the colors, well i've been on many psychedelic festivals around Europe and every drug has his specific color. Maybe in USA is different.
FFS i am sure you haven't sell any drugs on festivals, so please don't try to correct me.
Further, organic being better than synthetic is just a superstitious notion. There are countless natural things that will kill you just as dead as anything synthetic.
On December 20 2007 19:10 InfectedMind wrote: Lol, dudes... First you understand me wrong. Those aren't underground. Maybe it's even very populer in USA, since the first 13th foxy capsules were made in Chicago, as far as i know... Anyway they are other, which i am 100% sure are underground for you. I was speaking about them, and thats why i won't spell their names. I will just say that they are made in Japan. About the "Formula" don't take it in your USA language. I just don't know the right word to tell it, and i tought that this is the most common one. Well i am wrong. Chemical shitz, whatever you want call them, i don't care.
About the colors, well i've been on many psychedelic festivals around Europe and every drug has his specific color. Maybe in USA is different.
FFS i am sure you haven't sell any drugs on festivals, so please don't try to correct me.
Further, organic being better than synthetic is just a superstitious notion. There are countless natural things that will kill you just as dead as anything synthetic.
Have it your way...
Erowid covers pretty much any drug that's out there, with extremely comprehensive detail on the most common ones. I wouldn't doubt that there are any beyond that, but they are probably closely related to another drug and have similar effects. There are no drugs that are "secret" and only made in Japan. Sorry to burst your bubble, but drugs, due to their illicit nature, have no universal truths. Any drug user should be able to to tell you that. Nothing in secluded to Japan (especially not manufacture, which almost always takes place in developing nations) or anywhere else. I don't disbelieve that at your festivals drugs are color coded, and that's a terrific idea, but the fact of the matter is that color coding doesn't hold true throughout the world and it seems like a terrifically poor idea to tell people that it does. The essential anonymity of manufacturing assures users that, really, nothing is certain about their drugs.
As a side note: 5-MeO-DMT, or, as you call it, "Foxy," is an ancient drug that's been used by shaman in S. America for at least a few hundred years. It was not first produced in Chicago, as it occurs naturally in many things.
Or really, i didn't know that... I just read it somewhere in I-net... "The Story of drugs" and such...
Anyway it's much more safer when someone comes to you and tell you "give me a orange one" on festivals. And i really hate when someone ask me whats this and that, and believe me nationals like Greece, Romania, Serbia and other close friends near, THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW what is 2-ci. So the color codes are really one of the best ideas.
Ive been smoking weed almost every day since the end of the summer I quit smoking about 2-3 weeks ago. Had problems sleeping etc last few weeks but now I can think clearly again. I'm not tired all the time and my memory is getting much better
I've done shrooms plenty of times and they are insanely awesome, but I'm afraid to do LSD or acid. I juts can't imagine a more intense and longer trip =p
If you think you may have a drug problem, first of all, you probably do, and second of all, you ought to consider whether your drug using friends are helping you or hurting you.
Think about this. There have been several examples here, myself included, of people who smoked pot regularly and developed some kind of mental health problem from it. If you do searches on the subject, you'll find out about many more. People like me post about this because I hate to think of anyone going through what I went through. It is HELL. And even if you never get it as bad as I did, the fact is, weed can't possibly be good for your health, certainly not if used regularly, as MANY users use it.
Now consider most of the drug users here. They are perfectly content to see you roll the dice with your mental and physical health. Do they care about what happens to you? Do they care if you wind up with a hellish panic disorder, or a clinical depression? They don't care at all what happens to you. They are interested in justifying their own lifestyle choices. Smoking weed can be a lot of fun, and rather than face that it can be truly dangerous, the drug abusers would rather make their "hobby" out to be harmless. They don't care about you.
To be sure, some people can smoke pot for many years and wind up with no problems (at least no obvious ones.) But some people smoke only a year and wind up with serious problems. Do you know whether you are the ticking time bomb or not? How would you? You know, I had no history of mental illness in my family. I've always been in pretty good health. But it got me. I've been contacted privately by a few TL.netters who had the same thing! This does happen to people.
Anyway, whether or not to use drugs is a very personal decision. I only hope that you make that decision carefully and intelligently. If you must use drugs, I urge you to never let yourself fall into the daily or even weekly pattern of use that so many do.
And if your friends are working against your goals, pressuring you directly or indirectly to abuse drugs, then you need to think about getting yourself some new friends. IT can be hard, but I've been there too. In retrospect, having moved on from that lifestyle, I pity my drug using friends. I really do. I would much rather face life soberly, directly, and share my life with people who feel the same!
On December 21 2007 04:13 Hawk wrote: I've done shrooms plenty of times and they are insanely awesome, but I'm afraid to do LSD or acid. I juts can't imagine a more intense and longer trip =p
it's not necessarily more intense and i find the overall experience to be a little more enjoyable
you can always try half a dose at first and see where that takes you!
On December 21 2007 04:13 Hawk wrote: I've done shrooms plenty of times and they are insanely awesome, but I'm afraid to do LSD or acid. I juts can't imagine a more intense and longer trip =p
it's not necessarily more intense and i find the overall experience to be a little more enjoyable
you can always try half a dose at first and see where that takes you!
Liek what's the difference though? I only know of a few friends personally who've done it and they described LSD as having more bright lights and sounds etc. More of a clean trip, where you can see very graphic hallucinations.
Many drug users, particularly users of the more intense mind altering drugs (the psychedelics such as mushrooms, LSD, mescaline, DMT, and so on) will tell you that drug use is the ticket to enlightenment, great insight, information, and so on.
It is true that the more powerful psychedelic drugs can deliver all kinds of powerful experiences. But it is also true that you do not need drugs to gain insight or enlightenment. People have gained wisdom, insight, and enlightenment for thousands of years without drugs. I would argue that it is far better to learn yourself and your world directly, soberly, than through a drug.
It is not that I am squarely against psychedelics either. I have used them, and it is possible I will use them in the future on very rare occasion. But to embrace drugs as the ticket to wisdom and deep experience is very foolhardy.
These drugs, and we should include weed in this discussion, can give powerful experiences, but for all that they MAY give, they can also very much take away. They can leave you mentally shattered. They can leave you burned out.
LSD as the ticket to wisdom and enlightenment? Oh... how many hippies and druggies I have known that seemed no wiser than anyone else, despite their many LSD trips and mushroom trips.
Enlightenment and wisdom are written all over how you actively live your life, day by day. How many drug users do you see that are the epitome of enlightenment? Most of them I know are average or below average folks who liked to party a lot. Many are depressed, without any sense of direction, and lonely. They do not inspire me with their thoughts, their "insights," or their way of life.
Enlightenment comes through serious contemplation, dedication, discipline, and work. If you think you can truly touch the deepest things in life through a few drug trips, you are a fool.
On December 21 2007 04:13 Hawk wrote: I've done shrooms plenty of times and they are insanely awesome, but I'm afraid to do LSD or acid. I juts can't imagine a more intense and longer trip =p
it's not necessarily more intense and i find the overall experience to be a little more enjoyable
you can always try half a dose at first and see where that takes you!
Liek what's the difference though? I only know of a few friends personally who've done it and they described LSD as having more bright lights and sounds etc. More of a clean trip, where you can see very graphic hallucinations.
Yeah, the hallucinations are a bit brighter and more vivid, plus it has the effect of making your senses kind of flow into one another, e.g. perceiving a smell as a feeling or vice versa. Also, imo, it gives a more enjoyable bodily feeling and your thoughts tend to run more clearly.
I tend to agree with Inky, although I feel that responsible use of hallucinogenics can definitely bring extra value to a person's life. In my experience, people who have tripped tend to be more relaxed and don't let themselves be stressed out by problems as easily. I've also seen more than enough examples of the opposite though, where they treat it as a purely recreational thing and they sometimes push themselves over the edge. This is mostly true for minors, though.
with the amount of hate weed threads get i understand now why theirs no mushroom thread or cocaine thread lol..... kids would get their souls devoured by tlnetters
On December 21 2007 04:45 nA.Inky wrote: Many drug users, particularly users of the more intense mind altering drugs (the psychedelics such as mushrooms, LSD, mescaline, DMT, and so on) will tell you that drug use is the ticket to enlightenment, great insight, information, and so on.
It is true that the more powerful psychedelic drugs can deliver all kinds of powerful experiences. But it is also true that you do not need drugs to gain insight or enlightenment. People have gained wisdom, insight, and enlightenment for thousands of years without drugs. I would argue that it is far better to learn yourself and your world directly, soberly, than through a drug.
It is not that I am squarely against psychedelics either. I have used them, and it is possible I will use them in the future on very rare occasion. But to embrace drugs as the ticket to wisdom and deep experience is very foolhardy.
These drugs, and we should include weed in this discussion, can give powerful experiences, but for all that they MAY give, they can also very much take away. They can leave you mentally shattered. They can leave you burned out.
LSD as the ticket to wisdom and enlightenment? Oh... how many hippies and druggies I have known that seemed no wiser than anyone else, despite their many LSD trips and mushroom trips.
Enlightenment and wisdom are written all over how you actively live your life, day by day. How many drug users do you see that are the epitome of enlightenment? Most of them I know are average or below average folks who liked to party a lot. Many are depressed, without any sense of direction, and lonely. They do not inspire me with their thoughts, their "insights," or their way of life.
Enlightenment comes through serious contemplation, dedication, discipline, and work. If you think you can truly touch the deepest things in life through a few drug trips, you are a fool.
He is absolutly right. They are other ways to gain all this information like meditation, etc, etc...
Thats why i took LSD once, a full doze. I was tripping 24 hours nearly... I was in Rodopy mountain in Bulgaria in the forest. Most of the time i was alone with the idea to go on my deepest spots in my mind. Well i did it. And i am really happy for that. I really know a lot more things now, but people should control their minds, and don't let the mind control your body and hunger for more LSD, for more enlightenment, etc, etc/..
Thats why for me, the drugs aren't bad if you use them wise. Also people should prepare them selfs and they really should know which drug they need to get the experience they need for real life.
Even if i don't like LSD so much i get my enlightenment from it, not from mushrooms. In now days i use only mushrooms and marijuana, but i am open for different trips and ofc - once at a special place for my soul and mind.
took 3 tabs and waited for like 2 hours i thought the shit wasnt gonna work and then it hit me like a brick wall. complete loss of all reality and logical thinking. felt like the last 5 minutes of my life was looping over and over forever.. each time gradualy getting higher and higher like a rollercoaster.. and i mean HIGH like fucked up out of your mind high.
and everything melted uncontrollably. it was impossible to focus on something for very long cause it would just melt into nothing and it was very.. frustrating. eventualy i lost all sense of time/space
InfectedMind says: "He is absolutly right. They are other ways to gain all this information like meditation, etc, etc...
Thats why i took LSD once, a full doze. I was tripping 24 hours nearly... I was in Rodopy mountain in Bulgaria in the forest. Most of the time i was alone with the idea to go on my deepest spots in my mind. Well i did it. And i am really happy for that. I really know a lot more things now, but people should control their minds, and don't let the mind control your body and hunger for more LSD, for more enlightenment, etc, etc/..
Thats why for me, the drugs aren't bad if you use them wise. Also people should prepare them selfs and they really should know which drug they need to get the experience they need for real life.
Even if i don't like LSD so much i get my enlightenment from it, not from mushrooms. In now days i use only mushrooms and marijuana, but i am open for different trips and ofc - once at a special place for my soul and mind."
--------------------------- I essentially agree with you. It is possible to use psychedelics for deep purposes. The problem is that people too often take a consumerist approach to these drugs. "I'll buy my way to enlightenment." People so often have no respect for what they are getting into.
If you approach enlightenment with hard work and deep contemplation and discipline, your gains will be earned and you will know your capabilities because you will have tested yourself. If you rely on a drug, you may not be ready for the experience you receive, and this can leave you mentally shattered. You played level 10 when you should have been working on level 1 or 2. I believe the internal doors should be opened in sequence, and taking a drug can cause you to do things well out of sequence, with potentially very nasty consequences.
Many of the people who get into these drugs are teenagers. These people do not even have the slightest clue what they are after, because they have virtually no wisdom of their own yet. They think that by dropping some acid or taking some shrooms that all this magical stuff will open to them. It is like a baby playing with a gun. It's too much.
I believe that the psychedelic revolution of the 60's failed because it was carried out so irresponsibly. Drugs can't be expected to do all the work for us. For every one person who uses psychedelics responsibly, how many do not?
So, I do not advocate the use of psychedelics. It is far easier to use them foolishly than it is to use them responsibly.
And yes, when talking about psychedelics, we are getting into the deepest aspects of existence itself. These experiences are profound. Now look on this board, at all the silly words spoken of psychedelics. "I got so high! Lol11111" "oh man, I OD'd on such and such, Lol!1111"
This is stupidity. There is no respect for the power of these drugs.
It's almost like an anxiety attack. I start to become really paranoid and nervous about everything. I feel like i'm having an "outer-body experience" Everything seems unreal and i feel terrified.
But that's only when i smoke a ridiculous amount with people i don't feel 100% comfortable with. After i took salvia for the first time, my first couple bud sessions after were all like this, but it slowly gradually went away and now once in a while.
I really really really hate when it happens though...you just feel awful in every way.
On December 22 2007 02:11 Coagulation wrote: stfu inky not everyone does drugs because they want to be "Enlightend" or fucking "Empowerd"
some people just enjoy an altered state of mind.
No need to be harsh, Coagulation - it's not my goal to piss you off, only to speak in a friendly and intelligent way.
I understand what you are saying. If you use drugs recreationally with good results, I am happy for you. However, what concerns me is the fact that a lot of young people hear how grand these powerful drugs are, and they jump in and start using them without respect for how powerful they really are, and how potentially difficult the aftermath can be.
The mistake many recreational drug users make is assuming that everyone will have a fantastically good time and have good results like they do. The fact is, these drugs can bring out all kinds of latent conditions, and they can cause all kinds of psychological conditions. No one knows who is going to have a problem until the problem is created. Therefore, what I am getting at is that it is irresponsible to take these drugs lightly, even if you do only use them for "an altered state of mind." When people laugh about how high they got, or how fun such and such drug is, they are making it out to be harmless fun, when it is potentially very harmful.
I'm not against skydiving or playing with fire, but you have to know what you are getting into. You have to respect what you are getting into. It is hard to respect something if you don't know anything about it, and if all you hear are druggies talking about how fun it is to get wasted, you aren't going to know anything about drugs. See what I'm saying?
On December 22 2007 02:11 Coagulation wrote: stfu inky not everyone does drugs because they want to be "Enlightend" or fucking "Empowerd"
some people just enjoy an altered state of mind.
No need to be harsh, Coagulation - it's not my goal to piss you off, only to speak in a friendly and intelligent way.
I understand what you are saying. If you use drugs recreationally with good results, I am happy for you. However, what concerns me is the fact that a lot of young people hear how grand these powerful drugs are, and they jump in and start using them without respect for how powerful they really are, and how potentially difficult the aftermath can be.
The mistake many recreational drug users make is assuming that everyone will have a fantastically good time and have good results like they do. The fact is, these drugs can bring out all kinds of latent conditions, and they can cause all kinds of psychological conditions. No one knows who is going to have a problem until the problem is created. Therefore, what I am getting at is that it is irresponsible to take these drugs lightly, even if you do only use them for "an altered state of mind." When people laugh about how high they got, or how fun such and such drug is, they are making it out to be harmless fun, when it is potentially very harmful.
I'm not against skydiving or playing with fire, but you have to know what you are getting into. You have to respect what you are getting into. It is hard to respect something if you don't know anything about it, and if all you hear are druggies talking about how fun it is to get wasted, you aren't going to know anything about drugs. See what I'm saying?
you sounded incredibly condescending. like im a bad person if i dont do yoga before i smoke a joint.
but on second thought it is to get a good important message across.
Yep, not everyone take drugs for exploring their minds, a lot of people take drugs for the party trip. In time, those people will become with toasted brains.
Sorry...
And don't get me wrong, those people who are searching for knowledge only in drugs will toast their brains too, but slower, because they have the ability to control the drug.\
At lest thats my point of view... I know A LOT of people from both sides, people from 18 to 64 years old, shamans too. But in this culture some things are too complicated to explain... And with my bad English will be really hard .
i have this problem up to date, its anxiety from smoking pot which is normal ^^. dont be afraid that will only make all these feelings of anxiety more intence and thus u will feel like i did and go toa hospital for nothing more than once. lol. just chill its all grave just anxiety and i cant eat when i smoke pot to this day thats the only flaw to anxiety on weed makes ur throat all swollen feeling. buts its not really its just in ur brain stress rises when u worry so thinking ur about to die is the worst thing for anxiety lol,. gday get stoned smoke two for us pce !
honest to god, the most anxiety ive ever experienced from weed was me flipping out at my friends for being idiots and blasting his music in his car in my driveway at like 230Am when we were smoking. ive really only seen one person TRULY bug out and that was my ex gf.
i came back from jamaica and managed to get some bud back. a bunch of us smoked in a car, along with her. my one friend—who is a douchebag—was fuckin with her the whole time (this is just how he was). He stopped, then all the sudden 10 minutes later she starts yelling, opens the car door and runs dow nthe street and i had to chase after her. apparently, she thought he kept on saying stuff to her, when he wasn't haha.
It was pretty odd, considering this girl was a big pothead. I never saw that happen again from her, or anyone else.
I've had some bad experiences with weed, but I can say that each and every time was either because of a completely empty stomach, thus making me feel bad by just having too much effect at once or when I eat too much before smoking, thus making me almost throw up.(depends on which food aswel, lasagna is pure evil) Hasn't happened since I figured that out though hahah
The worst flipout I've witnessed was also form a girl. She called the cops because she "got too high" and thought she needed a medic. When the medics showed, she was stuck in a trance-like, and we were calling her name out and *SLAP* she walloped my buddy in the face. The medics looked annoyed but nobody got in trouble.
hi all, i am an 18 yr old drug addict. Smoked pot since i was 14 (growed it my mom was cool with it - 3x400watt hps lamps + outdoor living in switzerland). I am not addicted to any drug in particular; wether it be weed, alcohol, xanax, dxm, mdma, or lsd i have a need to be under the effect of one. OFC this all started with weed, but i do believe there is a genetic pre-disposition to drug addiction (just like it has been proved with cigarettes), my mother was and still is but not as much addicted to codeine (doctor) and my father was an alcoholic. When i first smoked i was like OMG I LOVE THIS STUFF. So.. yeah.. Growing my own is what screwed me over basically; having dozens of jars full of weed under my bed at all times did not help; i was expelled at the age of 14 from school and was at home all day for 3 months. I pretty much smoked all day then. My drug problem as i said aboce goes further than with weed; if i have no weed i need to take SOMETHING. I either get drunk or take xanax. Taking lsd works but cannot be done regularly (tolerance issue). I have a anxiety disorder which is NOT linked to weed but doesn't help my life ^^.
I have literally taken hundrends of acid drops (not proud of it ;/) and can tell you taht the effects vary a lot on the person. A friend of mine would TRIP OUT sooooo hard on one drop when i would need atleast 3-5 for similar effects (begining of taking lsd). I dont get "HUGE" hallucinations but rather subtle ones that really trip me out; as if i dont really notice im hallucinating when i am. For me shrooms have always been more "harcore" and visual, lsd is more emotional / spiritual. Put it this way; ur emotions x200 is how u feel on lsd. So if ur happy ur 200x happy and if ur scared ur 200x as scared.
Weed does make one anxious if not paranaoid(during the high) that is a common fact. Also to the person that said only stupid people would fuck their life up with weed is even more retarded for talking about something he doesnt know about. I believe i fucked my life up or atleast didnt help it through cannabis but my father commited suicide when i was 12 and i have deeper reasons to smoke weed than just to HAHA get high or w.e some people think, im a fucking good looking guy that is damn smart (excuse the cockyness but trying to give more detail ;p) and i shouldnt (have to?) take drugs to b happy.
Now i am finally out of school (which i h8ted soooo much) and am starting to be happy again!! I stopped growing for 6 months but recently started again because it makes not much of a difference since in a city(in switzerland) not far from where i live (1hr train) weed is "tolerated" and they have small shops with covers selling it at decent prices. So ive begun growing again to save some cash. I got 5 female blue mystics out of 8 :D and they are looking good.
If i wasn't addicted to drugs it would be something else (like diablo 2 or sc when i was young 10-14, spent all money on phone (be4 adsl) so i wonder if i just have an addictive personality.. Anyways this is my story mb it will help.
yeah i did that for a little over a year, where i wasn't having "fun" unless i was fucked up. it got boring for me personally, and i had to take a little break.
i preach about moderation too much, but the best thing to do (even if you have to force yourself/get someone to help) is to give yourself limits. see if you can smoke every other day, and i bet the highs will be a lot more enjoyable too. my highs tend to get really bland if i smoke 24/7, but if i go a day or two without smoking i get high as fuck.
when you're older you'll be able to blame your mom for all of your problems, so at least you've got that to fall back on. good luck.
I know, not smoking a J for even just 24 hours makes that next J fuck me up SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO bad lol its not even funny. But no i will never blame my mother because honestly she is the best mom i could have, the nicest most caring mom ever. Shes the type i can tell ANYTHING and she will not get mad and will help me. She is the sweetest person i know and all the fucked up shit in my life is a result of my bad judgment. She has always been there for me and believed in me when other people havnt. Actually if there is anything good/correct in my life its my mother . <3 u mom .
On December 21 2007 04:42 zer0das wrote: Am I the only one who pictures Last Romantic as getting high before every KTF match? I figure it's the only way he can make it through hahahaha.
On December 22 2007 04:22 HeadBangaa wrote: Hahaha that's funny.
The worst flipout I've witnessed was also form a girl. She called the cops because she "got too high" and thought she needed a medic. When the medics showed, she was stuck in a trance-like, and we were calling her name out and *SLAP* she walloped my buddy in the face. The medics looked annoyed but nobody got in trouble.
I had one bad one, but it wasn't a flip out. This was probably more due to inexperience than anything. This was within the first 3 months of me starting to smoke, when it was a once in a while thing. I went over my friends house and she was there with her brother and his gf, who were all smoking outta a bong. This would be my first time doing so~~~
Prior to this, all my experiences were J's, Blunts and bowls, so I had no idea what I was getting into. Looking back at it now, I can say it was not the right thing for a rookie haha. It was a 2 ft something ceramic bong, with a slider. The weed was some real dank haze. The guy told me to just pull and he would do the rest....so I pulled real hard like it was a bong. Then he pulled the slider out (I had no idea what this was for ><) next thing i know, I'm on the ground choking.
Shit felt like someone punched me in the gut. I went to the bathroom cuz I thought I was gonna throw up but came back in five minutes. After that I was a mess. Shit was popping out of the tv, I couldn't even sit up, let alone talk. Then everyones like, HOLY SHIT YOU'RE GREEN!. Coincidently, I felt like throwing up, so I ran to the bathroom and sure enough, I actually looked green. Threw up a few times and then passed out.
I woke up around 5 am in my boxers in my friends bed. She was more or less nekked too. Never really found out what happened that day, but yeah, that's really the only 'bad' time I've had that was soley brought on by smoking.
if weed is causing you to worry about your consumption of it, perhaps it's a good idea to experiment not smoking it. If you find out that you miss it, or it wasn't related to your problems, or whatever, go back to it! It's not like taking a month break from weed is a commitment to quitting.
I've been smoking weed since i was 14. I am 22 now. I've gone through similar periods of distress/emptiness/anxiety. My use of marijuana ranges. When i lived with my best friend for 2 years - major pothead - i smoked it nearly every day. Coincidentally these were also some of the biggest years my life as i was transitioning between a kid and an adult.
It was comforting to know that weed wasn't in control of my life. Other than my best friend (who was my age), i also smoked it with his mother, who is a very successful manager. She in turn introduced me to her circle of friends - lawyers, principals, writers, artists, doctors, nurses, all of whom smoked weed responsibly. Knowing that they were people who were in control of their lives and were more successful than i ever even hope to be and they smoked pot? I knew that the only reason i wasn't going anywhere was because a lack of my own volition. Marijuana would just have been an empty excuse.
After moving out of my best friends i pretty much stopped smoking weed altogether for about 6 months. I moved to a new city and didn't know anyone i could really buy off of, and to be honest, the change in my lifestyle was stimulating.
It's now 2 years since then, and i smoke every day again. I'm still loving life, still in control, and the responsible use of marijuana gives me satisfaction. I still work (and excel) 40 hours a week. I'm going to the gym 5 days a week. I'm distancing myself from other distractions in my life (computer games).
Treat your life responsibly. The WoW junkie that has no job and no life (but doesn't smoke weed), is no better than the pothead that sits on the couch eating chips and watching TV. If you're not where you want to be in life, figure out what steps you need to take to get there. If the majority of your time is spent on something else other than those steps - whether it be drugs, studying, video games, working, etc - then you're not satiating your dreams or desires, dicontent will (and should!) set in.
edit - i waffled a bit. marijuana is relatively harmless if you're aware of yourself and have control. Marijuana irritates the lungs (depends on how you smoke it and how big your tokes are), can bring forth a propensity to paranoia, and increases heart rate. If your lungs, heart, or brain has problems - perhaps you shouldn't irritate them further!
edit edit - now that i am actually thinking about it... i know WAY more successful potheads than unsuccessful potheads. I'm not trying to say that pot is a gateway for success, but more was just reflecting on the choice i made to surround myself with people who are stimulating, engaging, and inspiring. Since most (if not all) of the people in my life are those things, the ones that smoke pot definitely represent pot smokers exemplarily. So that's my advice: surround yourself with people who inspire you! And smoke pot with them or don't! lol
On December 22 2007 06:01 Hawk wrote: Ah cool. That's weird man, everyone tests nowadays =[
Hmmm... i can't remember the last time i heard of a Canadian company drug testing. Then again... i can't remember the last time anyone i knew was applying for a new job. lol
wait. like 2 years ago my friend Brendon got drug tested when he applied for a Refrigeration Technician Apprentice position. He passed! <3
On December 22 2007 06:00 EvilTeletubby wrote: Mora makes things look pretty!
Heh, it's way different in America. Conservative and power hungry bosses desperately need to know what I'm doing outside of the office. Like as if it's not hard enough to tell if someone's ripped at work, heh =p
On December 21 2007 04:45 nA.Inky wrote: Many drug users, particularly users of the more intense mind altering drugs (the psychedelics such as mushrooms, LSD, mescaline, DMT, and so on) will tell you that drug use is the ticket to enlightenment, great insight, information, and so on.
It is true that the more powerful psychedelic drugs can deliver all kinds of powerful experiences. But it is also true that you do not need drugs to gain insight or enlightenment. People have gained wisdom, insight, and enlightenment for thousands of years without drugs. I would argue that it is far better to learn yourself and your world directly, soberly, than through a drug.
It is not that I am squarely against psychedelics either. I have used them, and it is possible I will use them in the future on very rare occasion. But to embrace drugs as the ticket to wisdom and deep experience is very foolhardy.
These drugs, and we should include weed in this discussion, can give powerful experiences, but for all that they MAY give, they can also very much take away. They can leave you mentally shattered. They can leave you burned out.
LSD as the ticket to wisdom and enlightenment? Oh... how many hippies and druggies I have known that seemed no wiser than anyone else, despite their many LSD trips and mushroom trips.
Enlightenment and wisdom are written all over how you actively live your life, day by day. How many drug users do you see that are the epitome of enlightenment? Most of them I know are average or below average folks who liked to party a lot. Many are depressed, without any sense of direction, and lonely. They do not inspire me with their thoughts, their "insights," or their way of life.
Enlightenment comes through serious contemplation, dedication, discipline, and work. If you think you can truly touch the deepest things in life through a few drug trips, you are a fool.
I don't know if entirely agree with your position here.
While i defnitely agree that wisdom and enlightenment can be garnered through hard work, dedication, and contemplation, i wholly believe that someone who has all those things and experiences mind-altered states of consciousness will have learned far more. (i say mind-altered instead of drug in this case, as i am including meditation, runners-high, fasting, etc, in addition to being un-sober). It is incredibly difficult for a person to take themselves outside of their regular ways of thinking, percieving, and experiencing. I believe a person begins to know themself far better through experiencing their person when they are not themself.
However, i may just be a fool. I'm cool with that.
Nothing beats reading what I wrote or seeing what I drew when I was tripping. Writing I do damn fine sober, but art doesn't come as easily =p.
While I think you're taking a little hardline stance on drugs Inky, I do agree that people get themselves into shit—coke, shrooms, weed WHATEVER—without knowing what they are doing. People in general are fucking irresponsible in all aspects of life. I kinda realize this more and more as I get older =[
Well, you guys may be right that I am taking a bit of a hardline stance on the subject. The fact is, while I mostly feel I have no use for marijuana now, I do still have a rather large interest in psychedelics, namely psilocybin (I would never use it more than once or twice a year tho, just to keep things in perspective, and I am more inclined to very small doses than Terrence Mckenna style "heroic doses"). So I do know where you guys are coming from.
The thing is, I would rather people err on the side of caution. These drugs, particularly the psychedelics, are very powerful. I do not believe teenagers should be using them at all, period. I think these are for responsible adults. If there is any doubt about whether you ought to be using them or whether it is safe, then you shouldn't use them.
The attitude of the 60's, and the attitudes of the modern druggies are highly irresponsible. Very few people I have known that use these drugs seem responsible enough by my standards. That might sound pretty arrogant or condescending (sorry for seeming that way to you, Coagulation - I mean it!), but keep in mind that I am pro legalization. I am all about freedom to choose in this regard, but I still think we ought to be clear about the dangers and we should encourage the utmost in responsibility.
Well I think if you wanna talk about the real dangers and what not, the government would have to play a major role in that. I'd say I'm not off base when I say that most teenagers and 20-somethings have little to no trust in what the government tells them about drugs, be it street or pharmacuetical.
The dangers are constantly overexaggerated, and quite honestly, I'd like it if instead of the 'say no' and all of the exaggerated dangers, they gave real facts. (look at reefer madness and so many of the Govt. sponsored 'studies', that's what I'm talkin about). Kind of like how sex ed is taught. Yeah, they tell you the best bet and safest way is to just wait until your married. But instead of pretending that if you just say no kids aren't going to do it, you give them real information.
I'm sure that idea has plenty of flaws on it's own, but currently, I don't think DARE and above the influence and all that is really doing a whole lot for our youth. They desrve to be educated, not scared shitless with lies.
Hawk, you are absolutely right. The government's approach to drugs is beyond retarded. It is pathetic.
Much of the demonization of drugs has to do with diverting attention from systemic flaws in the American system (poverty, racial injustice, etc). With each new drug scare, there is some problem lurking in the background that the government does not want us to deal with. A lot of it really is based in racism.
The government does spread a lot of misinformation about drugs, and this causes people to lose trust in the government. Unfortunately, it also creates an environment where it is difficult to know what is true and what is not true about drugs. This is a dangerous situation.
Hawk says: "They [the students, the public] desrve to be educated, not scared shitless with lies."
Yeah Amber, I think heroin and cocaine should be legalized. I think much of the problems surrounding those drugs would evaporate if they were legal. Of course I don't think people should be doing them, but people shouldn't be smoking weed either, or doing lots of other things for that matter. I just don't see it as the governments business to regulate this stuff.
But this is waaaaaaay off topic. Guess we've been off topic for awhile now.
To bring it back, when I used to smoke weed a lot, I would get shortness of breath, a racing heart, and cold hands too! Truly not healthy stuff, that marijuana. Glad I don't do it anymore.
On December 22 2007 12:04 nA.Inky wrote: Yeah Amber, I think heroin and cocaine should be legalized. I think much of the problems surrounding those drugs would evaporate if they were legal. Of course I don't think people should be doing them, but people shouldn't be smoking weed either, or doing lots of other things for that matter. I just don't see it as the governments business to regulate this stuff.
But this is waaaaaaay off topic. Guess we've been off topic for awhile now.
To bring it back, when I used to smoke weed a lot, I would get shortness of breath, a racing heart, and cold hands too! Truly not healthy stuff, that marijuana. Glad I don't do it anymore.
So you think the effects of heroin will become less addictive if it was legalized? ;p Those are proved to be a direct result of use of the drug.
I'm gonna take it you're a strong meth supporter as well =D
On December 22 2007 12:04 nA.Inky wrote: Yeah Amber, I think heroin and cocaine should be legalized. I think much of the problems surrounding those drugs would evaporate if they were legal. Of course I don't think people should be doing them, but people shouldn't be smoking weed either, or doing lots of other things for that matter. I just don't see it as the governments business to regulate this stuff.
But this is waaaaaaay off topic. Guess we've been off topic for awhile now.
To bring it back, when I used to smoke weed a lot, I would get shortness of breath, a racing heart, and cold hands too! Truly not healthy stuff, that marijuana. Glad I don't do it anymore.
So you think the effects of heroin will become less addictive if it was legalized? ;p Those are proved to be a direct result of use of the drug.
I'm gonna take it you're a strong meth supporter as well =D
I think he's talking about how the criminal element would more or less disappear if they were legalized. Think like how it was during the prohibition back in the early 1900s. Making alchy illegal gave rise to organized crime.
Honestly, I'm not sure I'd want it all legalized. I just think the current system is pretty dumb. Weed 100% should be, I'm not too sure about everythin else.
On December 22 2007 12:04 nA.Inky wrote: Yeah Amber, I think heroin and cocaine should be legalized. I think much of the problems surrounding those drugs would evaporate if they were legal. Of course I don't think people should be doing them, but people shouldn't be smoking weed either, or doing lots of other things for that matter. I just don't see it as the governments business to regulate this stuff.
But this is waaaaaaay off topic. Guess we've been off topic for awhile now.
To bring it back, when I used to smoke weed a lot, I would get shortness of breath, a racing heart, and cold hands too! Truly not healthy stuff, that marijuana. Glad I don't do it anymore.
So you think the effects of heroin will become less addictive if it was legalized? ;p Those are proved to be a direct result of use of the drug.
I'm gonna take it you're a strong meth supporter as well =D
ehh.. legalization of harder drugs is definitely a two sided blade, you've got the obvious negatives such as.. well, heroin being legal and junkies being able to go into wal-mart to get their fix.
but on the other hand, the most dangerous thing about drugs, not even just hard drugs, is that you really don't know what you're getting unless you made it yourself. i'll be honest, i like my cocaine. i've seen some people try and sell me some NASTY shit, shit i wouldn't give to my worst fucking enemy. i ask em what they cut it with, and half the time they didn't even cut it themselves.
anyways, legalization eliminates that problem because then you're getting your drugs from the same reliable source every time. i don't think Tylenol will cut their shit with motor oil just to weigh it down a little more.
one more point, weed is always called a gateway drug. if you smoke weed, you'll be shooting up in no time. why is that? because of the people you tend to meet once you start buying weed. if we eliminated the need to go into a black market, we'd never have to meet those shady people that introduce us to harder drugs.
On December 22 2007 12:04 nA.Inky wrote: Yeah Amber, I think heroin and cocaine should be legalized. I think much of the problems surrounding those drugs would evaporate if they were legal. Of course I don't think people should be doing them, but people shouldn't be smoking weed either, or doing lots of other things for that matter. I just don't see it as the governments business to regulate this stuff.
But this is waaaaaaay off topic. Guess we've been off topic for awhile now.
To bring it back, when I used to smoke weed a lot, I would get shortness of breath, a racing heart, and cold hands too! Truly not healthy stuff, that marijuana. Glad I don't do it anymore.
So you think the effects of heroin will become less addictive if it was legalized? ;p Those are proved to be a direct result of use of the drug.
I'm gonna take it you're a strong meth supporter as well =D
one more point, weed is always called a gateway drug. if you smoke weed, you'll be shooting up in no time. why is that? because of the people you tend to meet once you start buying weed. if we eliminated the need to go into a black market, we'd never have to meet those shady people that introduce us to harder drugs.
That would turn Walmart/Tylenol into the "Shady people" and im pretty sure they have a much larger influence on the public then that crack head on the corner
i'll be a faggot and reference prohibition: alcohol was illegal at one point, and now businesses carry it in their stores without being called "shady". i realize there's a lot more of a stigma behind most drugs, but in terms of legality/morales (i've seen alcohol fuck up more people than i have any drug) there really is no difference.
i mean, it's no secret that Bayer made heroin. yet they're still around?
Amber: no doubt there would be tragic cases that arise from legalization of heroin and cocaine. You are absolutely right, those substances are very addictive.
However, tragic cases arise from the availability and acceptance of alcohol. There will always be sad stories, whether these drugs are legal or illegal, just as there are sad stories that have nothing to do with drugs.
Hawk is right, much of my reasoning has to do with taking the crime aspect out of drug issues. Illegal drugs undermine the government, respect for the law, and cause law enforcement to be corrupted (see prohibition for a key example.)
Furthermore (as was the case with the alcohol prohibition), prohibition tends to cause drugs to increase in potency (more bang for your buck) and decrease in safety. People went blind from some of the alcohol during the prohibition era because it was improperly made.
Today, people cut heroin and cocaine with all kinds of nasty stuff in order to increase profit. This makes the drugs more dangerous.
Also, drugs are more expensive via the black market than they would be if the drugs were legal. Part of paying for illegal drugs is paying for the risk that the growers, movers, and dealers have to take on to get the drugs to you.
Much of the problem with heroin (not necessarily coke) is that people can't afford the habit. They turn to crime and they also sacrifice healthy interests for the sake of their habit. Making the drug cheaper and more available for addicts would arguably ease these problems.
A perfect solution? Hardly. But the world is dangerous no matter how we slice it, and I say let people decide for themselves how to deal with life.
On December 23 2007 07:14 nA.Inky wrote: Much of the problem with heroin (not necessarily coke) is that people can't afford the habit. They turn to crime and they also sacrifice healthy interests for the sake of their habit. Making the drug cheaper and more available for addicts would arguably ease these problems.
Can't you get heroin as cheap as like 3-5$ for a fix? A gram of coke costs a lot more than that. It's always been viewed as the 'rich' drug?
inky you need to update yourself on your drug info. heroine is cheaper then pot. and honestly i think drug use is great as long as you can have self control. i've done almost everyone one you can name. you will have incredible thoughts on most drugs you do and find much inspiration. i actually decided to become a sc caster after an awesome magic mushroom trip i had.
most ppl who don't do drugs are simply afraid of what would happen. i think life is about taking risks and trying new things. i'm not interested in wearing a seat belt or using a helmet wherever i go.
I said: "Much of the problem with heroin (not necessarily coke) is that people can't afford the habit. They turn to crime and they also sacrifice healthy interests for the sake of their habit. Making the drug cheaper and more available for addicts would arguably ease these problems."
What I meant to say was that the prob with heroin is the cost, while the problem with cocaine is potentially much more health related. See, you can (apparently) have a heroin habit for life with no health problems, as long as you get clean heroin. So the problem is not the health risks of the drug (except for OD risk... granted), but rather the fact that many people cannot financially sustain the habit, and turn to crime. They also get impure heroin which is a health problem.
Cocaine, as far as I know, is much more iffy as far as health effects. It may be that it is a far more costly drug as well. On those matters, you guys seem to know more than I.
I wasn't clear enough in what I was saying. Thanks for calling me on it.
Cocaine, cost wise. Doesn't even come close to heroine. Not many street drugs do. (Around here anyways.) Heroine, along with Oxycotins (Synthetic Heroine pretty much) are top of the line drugs.
Also the health risks of cocaine are much higher as you stated. Even doing coke once, you're putting your health at risk. I've been having lots of health problems lately. The doctors think I have nerve damage in the left side of my neck which is causing my chest to randomly tighten, along with my left arm to tingle. I can't work or do much really because of it. Sadly I missed my appointment last Thursday to find out if that's the case. Now I have to wait until next Thursday. He said that even doing cocaine once can cause it. You can also suffer from a stroke, or a heart attack. My heart has spasmed before when I did to much cocaine in one night on a few occasions.
I don't know. Drugs are just not worth it. I've completely stopped everything other than drinking. But even that is getting hard to do. I'm only 23. You have any idea how much that would suck if I do have nerve damage.
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thats the only flaw to anxiety on weed makes ur throat all swollen feeling. buts its not really its just in ur brain stress rises when u worry so thinking ur about to die is the worst thing for anxiety lol,. gday get stoned smoke two for us pce !
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