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On December 19 2007 15:50 nA.Inky wrote:
Also, for young people, it is important to consider that your brain is not fully developed until about the age of 23. You should be especially careful in choosing to use mind altering drugs before that age. Remember, just because scientists haven't proven that marijuana can do X Y Z to your body or mind, doesn't mean that it's not doin those things. When you smoke dope, you truly are acting as a guinea pig, and unfortunately, there aren't a lot of official studies of these things out there, so much of the "research" is hidden in the underground. Don't be a forgotten drug casualty/burnout/what have you.
Good point I forgot to talk about. Every study that has shown marijuana can have indefinite effects on certain makeups, has shown that it will 99% happen under a certain age because of brain development.
And I don't think most of the information is "underground", it's just the problem that people who do take certain drugs think they know more since they had no problem, and in general real studies never get shown, but instead bias opinions.
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CharlieMurphy, around the time I developed my mental problems, in addition to weed I had taken 2 intense, difficult mushroom trips (though not all bad), and 2 intense and nightmarish salvia trips (I most sincerely advise people to stay far clear of salvia - hands down the worst experiences of my entire life, by far!)
I was also a vegan during this time. As a vegan, and in general, I made many dietary mistakes (just to be clear, veganism can be very healthy, but the way I practiced it was not). I ate MUCH microwaved food (which is profoundly bad for you in many ways), drank much soy milk (soy is quite bad for you - but this fact is not often acknowledged because soy is one of America's cash crops) and did not eat enough foods that provide essential fats (which are necessary for healthy brain functioning.)
So, truthfully, my troubles resulted from a combination of bad lifestyle choices. But I do firmly believe marijuana was a key ingredient in my troubles, in part because a year later, after becoming symptom free, I suffered another anxiety disorder without using any other drugs, and with a different diet. The symptoms were not as severe, however.
It is true that after intense or bad trips, marijuana can often spark a flashback.
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Good posts, Skew.
It is true that many of the pro drug people aren't aware of the negative research or self reports. Too many rely on pro-drug texts or resources like Erowid (I was one such person.) After I developed problems, I began digging deeper, and sure enough, lots of people out there have gotten f*cked up by weed, and a good bit of research does show some negative effects, including the apparent gradual degradation of the hippocampus (which is associated with memory!)
Marijuana (surprise!) is also linked to depression, anxiety, and schizophrenia. Is weed the cause of these disorders, or do people turn to the drug for help? I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't take a chance on it, and my personal experience gives me a very definite feeling...
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So the moral is everything with balance.
Stuff is cool till it gets out of proportion then the very nature of the thing has changed.
Smoke weed till you (as we've colloquialized in this thread) 'turn the corner.'
Drink alchohol till you 'turn the corner.'
But, don't confuse 'turn the corner' with 'hitting rock bottom.'
Just be wise. Ignorance is to ignore the truth. You know whether you have a problem or not because of how it effects the balance of your life's goals.
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But I never had a bad trip on acid or coke or any other hard drugs before the 'turning a corner'.
It just slowly turned into crappy high, negative thinking high, semi-scary high, etc.
I have also smoked/snorted meth a few dozen times and Its totally not the high that most people get and totally different than the high I got from it the first 10 times or so. Its like a bad MJ high x10 because my mind/body is racing as well.
PS- I feel the need to post my first real high when I was 11, its easily one of my top 10 moments in life.
Basically I had this fuzzy feeling in my head which turned into me thinking my head was a ballon and static electricity was bouncing around in my balloon head. Which eventually turned into gravity seemingly pulling me side to side. Which eventually turned into random laughter which eventually turned into non stop laughter and laughing at other people's laughter which made me laugh so hard my tear ducts dried out and my chest hurt the whole rest of the night. I would seriously pay to relive this day. Maybe thats what people hope for when they smoke every day and where the 'mental addiction' comes into play.
Like ChoboCop said above me, Too much of a good thing is probably a bad thing.
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It's funny, all the people who don't smoke herb yet act like they have something useful to say in this topic.
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Well what can i say...
I smoke marijuana since 2002. To 2006 i smoked 20 times per year or something like that... Not much, because the shit in Bulgaria is a real SHIT! They are two options:
a) The marijuana isn't strong enough to get you high with only one roll;
b) They put some extra shits in it (chemical ofc) and they sell it to you on a high prize.
I had to pick one of those two options. Well i pick a), because i didn't want any synthetic drugs.
Since then i start to smoke joint more and more... Not to mention that i have unlimited source (i am not paying for this).
So from 2006 in 1 week they are 2-3-4 days, which i don't even thought about any joint, because of work, studding, etc, etc... In days when i am smoking i smoke from 2 to 10 grams for lets say... 6-7 hours... Pure THC!
The result:
Well every day from Monday to Friday i get early in morning (6:30 am CET) to get to work and i always feel sleepy all day. But when i smoke a joint of my own (OCB Long slim) in morning before work i feel great all day! I work as i should, nobody notice my red eyes, the day is great!
So i don't know how to explain this, but instead of getting me slow i am starting to focusing more. Thats why i am a really good driver! Really! And i always drive high... :D
So one nice joint early in morning - makes your day! Hooray!
P.S. I don't smoke cigarettes. I eat Mexican, cubensis, psylocybin mushrooms and i also smoke Salvya Duvinorium. I've tried once: 2ci, 2cc, foxy, LSD, DMT, 5 MeO DMT, MDMA, Ayahuasca. All because i want it to explore my mind. Well foxy and MDMA was because we want it to try some things with my girl friend  .
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On December 19 2007 16:51 HeadBangaa wrote:
It's funny, all the people who don't smoke herb yet act like they have something useful to say in this topic.
They do... they are the wisest of all..
For me, marijuanan lowers the immune system and causes acid reflux (or at least an increase in acid levels in the body). I think it's well known that marijuana fucks with the immune system and causes increased acid levels. For those reasons, overuse can make u look pale, make u lose apetite and not to mention the coughing.
However, infrequent use actually has a healing effect. I smoke, I munch out, I get better. Simple. So, I smoke here and there... abuse is an action.. not a substance.
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smoking weed once in a while is great
no side effects in that
unless you're mentally ill, but then you shouldnt smoke weed or even drink.
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I got no healthy problems connected with marijuana, but marijuana really lowers the immune system! Maybe it's just me and my body...
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i hate to beat on this dead horse but...
nothing's good for you in excess.
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On December 19 2007 15:45 intotherainx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2007 15:30 baal wrote:On December 19 2007 13:51 BombSniffingDog wrote:
Weed is very addictive No it is not and stop pulling facts out of your ass, its absolutely no physiologically adictive. Pepsi is in fact even more addictive than weed so dont spill that bs again. Unlike others i dont defend drugs because im a heavy user or anything, actually im a very mild recreational user who can (and has) go as long as 6 months withouth a single touch, so stop insisting that its only druggies justifying their habit. Im a rational and WELL INFORMED person about drugs, who has tried and used the drug. If his problem is physical about the smoke then he should get rid of the smoke not the weed. there can easily be mental addiction, ie what inky mentions in his post at top of page 5 (social smoking, using it to escape from life's problems, etc etc) which can be much stronger than a physiological addiction.
Food can create a mental addiction.... drinking water can create mental addiction... plucking ur hair can create a mental addiction.
The problem is not the substance... its the moron using it.
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Masturbation can create a mental addiction ... being an asshole can create a mental addiction ...
Shit son, InfectedMind, I really want to try LSD and psy mushrooms. How did you like it?
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Wassup with all the drug users?:p 3/4 of TL smokes weed I guess? Lol nice
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On December 19 2007 18:28 baal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2007 15:45 intotherainx wrote:On December 19 2007 15:30 baal wrote:On December 19 2007 13:51 BombSniffingDog wrote:
Weed is very addictive No it is not and stop pulling facts out of your ass, its absolutely no physiologically adictive. Pepsi is in fact even more addictive than weed so dont spill that bs again. Unlike others i dont defend drugs because im a heavy user or anything, actually im a very mild recreational user who can (and has) go as long as 6 months withouth a single touch, so stop insisting that its only druggies justifying their habit. Im a rational and WELL INFORMED person about drugs, who has tried and used the drug. If his problem is physical about the smoke then he should get rid of the smoke not the weed. there can easily be mental addiction, ie what inky mentions in his post at top of page 5 (social smoking, using it to escape from life's problems, etc etc) which can be much stronger than a physiological addiction. Food can create a mental addiction.... drinking water can create mental addiction... plucking ur hair can create a mental addiction. The problem is not the substance... its the moron using it.
ding ding ding ding! we have a winna!
so many people here are demonizing it... there are so many people who smoke on a regular basis (5 times a week +) that live very successful lives. shit, i work and go to school full time, pull a's and smoke daily...just dont let the stuff get in the way of what you got to do. and no people, you can't od on weed.
the mental addiction is just based completely on your personality, like baal said. same thing for the mental disorders. youre only going to be affected if you're predisposed. people don't 'go insane' from weed, that's the most ridiculous thing ive heard. you w3ere crazy to begin with, and youre body was a time bomb ready to explode. any number of things could have triggered it.
the only true negative side effects are:
lowered immune system
your lungs take more abuse than they would as a non smoker... seeing that most people don't smoke 5 blunts a day, it's efffect isnt too great. the biggest difference i notice (i dont touch cigs at all either) is that im a little shorter on breath than i used to be 4-5 years ago. then again, i also dont play sports anymore either.
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On December 19 2007 15:39 BombSniffingDog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2007 15:30 baal wrote:On December 19 2007 13:51 BombSniffingDog wrote:
Weed is very addictive No it is not and stop pulling facts out of your ass, its absolutely no physiologically adictive. Pepsi is in fact even more addictive than weed so dont spill that bs again. Unlike others i dont defend drugs because im a heavy user or anything, actually im a very mild recreational user who can (and has) go as long as 6 months withouth a single touch, so stop insisting that its only druggies justifying their habit. Im a rational and WELL INFORMED person about drugs, who has tried and used the drug. If his problem is physical about the smoke then he should get rid of the smoke not the weed. lol you dont know shit
There is _NO_ study that proves marijuana is addictive.
There is _NO_ study that proves marijuana leads to criminal acts
There is _NO_ study that proves marijuana is a "gateway drug"
This is all speculation and you bought into it. Stop acting ignorant and read a fucking book for once.
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i just can't accept the fact that weed slowes my reaction time permanently and my short time memory gets worse as well. i need my fucking reactions for like ANYTHING.. i'm not paranoid, but there can always be a situation where split seconds count and i don't wanna die in a car accident e.g. because i smoked too much pot.
i want my mental agility as long as possible.
for the health thingy.. it's like with everything else: stop doing it for a while (or preferably completely), change your lifestyle (as far as health is concerned: sleep 8 hours per NIGHT regularly, do some sport, eat vegetables etc. etc.) and just WATCH how the difference is displayed to you. maybe it's surprising how much better you feel. but it needs a little time. bio rythm isn't changed that easily if you aren't for the hard way (don't sleep for a night or two and then make "a clean start") and if your body isn't used to sports you also need some time to feel good doing it (you're young, not much of a prob).
+ Show Spoiler +an item dropped: Cunning Sword of Willpower +1 - use it wisely!
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somehow it occurs to me some people thinking smoking weed is so cool wtf?
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. Thats why i have plans to change that and i will do it in near future.
