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On August 01 2022 11:30 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2022 10:04 WestTaiwan wrote:On August 01 2022 01:50 Manit0u wrote:On July 31 2022 22:14 WestTaiwan wrote:
Interesting. For the non-Chinese people discussing in this thread, has anyone been to mainland China before? I'm curious about your experience. China isn't really a place where I'd like to go. I'd love to do some sightseeing but having your facial recognition in their database and using weechat or some other app for everything is a big no for me. If my own country introduced such measures I'd be forced to move out to a different country I guess. What countries have you been to before? Does it really matter? I've been all over Europe and lived for 3 years in Lybia.
Haha, it's just a chat between people from all walks of life, like friends. Getting to know one another better to understand the views of people across the world. It's not about the matter, it's just one of the ways I interact with my peers/colleagues at school/work. As you responded to me, naturally I would like to know more from you.
Living in Lybia is interesting. Were you staying there when the civil war was on-going?
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On August 01 2022 18:15 Silvanel wrote:I have been to China (Chengdu, Leshan, Dujiangyan, Beijing): - I have felt safe walking around alone in city center -There are police/party men in uniform/military everywhere (especially on plazas with Mao statues  ) -A lot of two language signs (english/mandarin) but hardly anyone speaks english (even when it says so on the sign! lol ) -I guess it can be a nice place to live if You dont care about politics and are ok with having no influence on main decisions of Your country/city etc.
Awesome, glad to know that you have been to mainland China (Chengdu, Leshan, Dujiangyan, Beijing) before.
May I know what year/s (eg. 1998, 2017 etc) that you went over to the different areas?
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That was one, two week trip, in 2017 I think.
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On August 01 2022 19:55 WestTaiwan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2022 11:30 Manit0u wrote:On August 01 2022 10:04 WestTaiwan wrote:On August 01 2022 01:50 Manit0u wrote:On July 31 2022 22:14 WestTaiwan wrote:
Interesting. For the non-Chinese people discussing in this thread, has anyone been to mainland China before? I'm curious about your experience. China isn't really a place where I'd like to go. I'd love to do some sightseeing but having your facial recognition in their database and using weechat or some other app for everything is a big no for me. If my own country introduced such measures I'd be forced to move out to a different country I guess. What countries have you been to before? Does it really matter? I've been all over Europe and lived for 3 years in Lybia. Haha, it's just a chat between people from all walks of life, like friends. Getting to know one another better to understand the views of people across the world. It's not about the matter, it's just one of the ways I interact with my peers/colleagues at school/work. As you responded to me, naturally I would like to know more from you. Living in Lybia is interesting. Were you staying there when the civil war was on-going?
No, it was back in the 80's. One of the few "friendly" countries towards USSR that people from Poland were able to travel to for work.
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On July 31 2022 00:16 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Yes, not surprising that continuing with the insane covid zero strategy almost 3 years on and even now locking down massive cities for months on end is having huge economic impact.Seems like a very dangerous time, China could do something unpredictable.
Is Pelosi still going to visit Taiwan?
The latest news according to cnn is that she will visit taiwan tomorrow and the day after.
Curious about China,s reaction to this when it actually does happen.
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The way i see it, china knew pelosi wouldn't budge and its just grandstanding. Theres no way they expected the us to cave to such threats.
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I can understand different perspectives on the practicality and righteousness of Pelosi going to Taiwan, but it is also a pretty naked provocation diplomatically. I expect a response, the severity of which is uncertain.
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In the light of recent events, maybe we should stop thinking about how to not hurt some dictator's feelings.
What will China do ? Shoot down the plane and start a war with the entire world ? Launch an invasion with a collapsing economy and lack of means to complete it successfully ?
It is the usual barking of a dictator that is trying to not look weak in the eyes of his enslaved population.
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On August 02 2022 01:55 GreenHorizons wrote:
I can understand different perspectives on the practicality and righteousness of Pelosi going to Taiwan, but it is also a pretty naked provocation diplomatically. I expect a response, the severity of which is uncertain.
It is similarly provocative for a woman to wear a bikini, even knowing some Saudi guy is at the beach and he thinks its sinful. But no one should give a shit what the Saudi guy thinks, because his views are insane and not worth accommodating. Same thing with China in this instance.
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On August 02 2022 04:55 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2022 01:55 GreenHorizons wrote:
I can understand different perspectives on the practicality and righteousness of Pelosi going to Taiwan, but it is also a pretty naked provocation diplomatically. I expect a response, the severity of which is uncertain.
It is similarly provocative for a woman to wear a bikini, even knowing some Saudi guy is at the beach and he thinks its sinful. But no one should give a shit what the Saudi guy thinks, because his views are insane and not worth accommodating. Same thing with China in this instance.
I disagree with comparing someone wearing a bikini to clear provocations against long established international diplomatic agreements for a myriad of reasons, not the least of which being size and scope.
That said, if the beach is a public one in Saudi Arabia, it's prudent they give a shit.
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On August 02 2022 05:30 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2022 04:55 Mohdoo wrote:On August 02 2022 01:55 GreenHorizons wrote:
I can understand different perspectives on the practicality and righteousness of Pelosi going to Taiwan, but it is also a pretty naked provocation diplomatically. I expect a response, the severity of which is uncertain.
It is similarly provocative for a woman to wear a bikini, even knowing some Saudi guy is at the beach and he thinks its sinful. But no one should give a shit what the Saudi guy thinks, because his views are insane and not worth accommodating. Same thing with China in this instance. I disagree with comparing someone wearing a bikini to clear provocations against long established international diplomatic agreements for a myriad of reasons, not the least of which being size and scope. That said, if the beach is a public one in Saudi Arabia, it's prudent they give a shit.
I think it is fair to ask ourselves: Why is China mad? What does China lose by Taiwan having recognized sovereignty away from China? When you answer that question (China wants to take over Taiwan), it feels easy to brush off China being mad. They are mad that they can't be dicks and they want to be dicks.
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Just to be clear, long established official US policy is that Taiwan is part of one China. Trump basically began the departure from that policy and Biden is continuing to escalate it.
People can rationalize or justify it all however they like, but the fact is that the US is on an escalatory path against China in contradiction to long established official US policy and the consequences (of the ongoing bipartisan escalatory path against China) could be catastrophic. Not just for China, the US, and/or Taiwan but the entire world.
Even if people think it's wholly righteous (nothing the US does ever is), disregarding the potential ramifications so haphazardly is irresponsibly dangerous.
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On August 02 2022 08:00 GreenHorizons wrote:
Just to be clear, long established official US policy is that Taiwan is part of one China. Trump basically began the departure from that policy and Biden is continuing to escalate it.
People can rationalize or justify it all however they like, but the fact is that the US is on an escalatory path against China in contradiction to long established official US policy and the consequences (of the ongoing bipartisan escalatory path against China) could be catastrophic. Not just for China, the US, and/or Taiwan but the entire world.
Even if people think it's wholly righteous (nothing the US does ever is), disregarding the potential ramifications so haphazardly is irresponsibly dangerous.
That's one way to frame it. But you could make very similar arguments with abolishing slavery. The US was totally cool with slavery for a long time, and then suddenly, one group decided we needed to not have slavery. Was this a drastic escalation of a culture war? A huge shift in policy? You could say that, but it was also just doing the right thing. It is possible to do the wrong thing and then do a more right thing later. You can't pretend any change in policy that ends up ruffling feathers is directly bad. Supporting Taiwan is the very obviously ethical answer in the debate. This a change, an ethical one. Saying its for some sort of nefarious reason is just weird deflection.
Are you saying support for Taiwan is unethical? What are your views on it? Should Taiwan have permanent separation from China?
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Something being ethical and something being a good idea practically are two different things.
It's like seeing a robber robbing another person in an alley with a gun. Do you run in and try to stop him? Sure it's ethical to try to stop the crime, but there's a possibility you won't live to tell the tale.
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I think the answer depends heavily on whether Americans are ready to send their sons to die for Taiwan.
So far this question hasn't even really been discussed on news.
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