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WestTaiwan
Profile Joined July 2022
Hong Kong5 Posts
August 01 2022 10:55 GMT
#621
On August 01 2022 11:30 Manit0u wrote:
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On August 01 2022 10:04 WestTaiwan wrote:
On August 01 2022 01:50 Manit0u wrote:
On July 31 2022 22:14 WestTaiwan wrote:
Interesting. For the non-Chinese people discussing in this thread, has anyone been to mainland China before? I'm curious about your experience.


China isn't really a place where I'd like to go. I'd love to do some sightseeing but having your facial recognition in their database and using weechat or some other app for everything is a big no for me. If my own country introduced such measures I'd be forced to move out to a different country I guess.


What countries have you been to before?


Does it really matter? I've been all over Europe and lived for 3 years in Lybia.


Haha, it's just a chat between people from all walks of life, like friends. Getting to know one another better to understand the views of people across the world. It's not about the matter, it's just one of the ways I interact with my peers/colleagues at school/work. As you responded to me, naturally I would like to know more from you.

Living in Lybia is interesting. Were you staying there when the civil war was on-going?
WestTaiwan
Profile Joined July 2022
Hong Kong5 Posts
August 01 2022 11:00 GMT
#622
On August 01 2022 18:15 Silvanel wrote:
I have been to China (Chengdu, Leshan, Dujiangyan, Beijing):
- I have felt safe walking around alone in city center
-There are police/party men in uniform/military everywhere (especially on plazas with Mao statues )
-A lot of two language signs (english/mandarin) but hardly anyone speaks english (even when it says so on the sign! lol )
-I guess it can be a nice place to live if You dont care about politics and are ok with having no influence on main decisions of Your country/city etc.


Awesome, glad to know that you have been to mainland China (Chengdu, Leshan, Dujiangyan, Beijing) before.

May I know what year/s (eg. 1998, 2017 etc) that you went over to the different areas?
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4769 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-01 11:22:52
August 01 2022 11:22 GMT
#623
That was one, two week trip, in 2017 I think.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17850 Posts
August 01 2022 11:26 GMT
#624
On August 01 2022 19:55 WestTaiwan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2022 11:30 Manit0u wrote:
On August 01 2022 10:04 WestTaiwan wrote:
On August 01 2022 01:50 Manit0u wrote:
On July 31 2022 22:14 WestTaiwan wrote:
Interesting. For the non-Chinese people discussing in this thread, has anyone been to mainland China before? I'm curious about your experience.


China isn't really a place where I'd like to go. I'd love to do some sightseeing but having your facial recognition in their database and using weechat or some other app for everything is a big no for me. If my own country introduced such measures I'd be forced to move out to a different country I guess.


What countries have you been to before?


Does it really matter? I've been all over Europe and lived for 3 years in Lybia.


Haha, it's just a chat between people from all walks of life, like friends. Getting to know one another better to understand the views of people across the world. It's not about the matter, it's just one of the ways I interact with my peers/colleagues at school/work. As you responded to me, naturally I would like to know more from you.

Living in Lybia is interesting. Were you staying there when the civil war was on-going?


No, it was back in the 80's. One of the few "friendly" countries towards USSR that people from Poland were able to travel to for work.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1416 Posts
August 01 2022 16:26 GMT
#625
On July 31 2022 00:16 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Yes, not surprising that continuing with the insane covid zero strategy almost 3 years on and even now locking down massive cities for months on end is having huge economic impact.Seems like a very dangerous time, China could do something unpredictable.

Is Pelosi still going to visit Taiwan?


The latest news according to cnn is that she will visit taiwan tomorrow and the day after.
Curious about China,s reaction to this when it actually does happen.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
August 01 2022 16:34 GMT
#626
The way i see it, china knew pelosi wouldn't budge and its just grandstanding. Theres no way they expected the us to cave to such threats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 01 2022 16:38 GMT
#627
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24382 Posts
August 01 2022 16:55 GMT
#628
I can understand different perspectives on the practicality and righteousness of Pelosi going to Taiwan, but it is also a pretty naked provocation diplomatically. I expect a response, the severity of which is uncertain.

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Vinekh
Profile Joined September 2021
131 Posts
August 01 2022 17:14 GMT
#629
In the light of recent events, maybe we should stop thinking about how to not hurt some dictator's feelings.
What will China do ? Shoot down the plane and start a war with the entire world ? Launch an invasion with a collapsing economy and lack of means to complete it successfully ?

It is the usual barking of a dictator that is trying to not look weak in the eyes of his enslaved population.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
August 01 2022 19:55 GMT
#630
On August 02 2022 01:55 GreenHorizons wrote:
I can understand different perspectives on the practicality and righteousness of Pelosi going to Taiwan, but it is also a pretty naked provocation diplomatically. I expect a response, the severity of which is uncertain.



It is similarly provocative for a woman to wear a bikini, even knowing some Saudi guy is at the beach and he thinks its sinful. But no one should give a shit what the Saudi guy thinks, because his views are insane and not worth accommodating. Same thing with China in this instance.
BroodwarDota2
Profile Joined August 2022
3 Posts
August 01 2022 19:57 GMT
#631
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24382 Posts
August 01 2022 20:30 GMT
#632
On August 02 2022 04:55 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2022 01:55 GreenHorizons wrote:
I can understand different perspectives on the practicality and righteousness of Pelosi going to Taiwan, but it is also a pretty naked provocation diplomatically. I expect a response, the severity of which is uncertain.



It is similarly provocative for a woman to wear a bikini, even knowing some Saudi guy is at the beach and he thinks its sinful. But no one should give a shit what the Saudi guy thinks, because his views are insane and not worth accommodating. Same thing with China in this instance.

I disagree with comparing someone wearing a bikini to clear provocations against long established international diplomatic agreements for a myriad of reasons, not the least of which being size and scope.

That said, if the beach is a public one in Saudi Arabia, it's prudent they give a shit.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 01 2022 21:29 GMT
#633
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
August 01 2022 22:00 GMT
#634
On August 02 2022 05:30 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2022 04:55 Mohdoo wrote:
On August 02 2022 01:55 GreenHorizons wrote:
I can understand different perspectives on the practicality and righteousness of Pelosi going to Taiwan, but it is also a pretty naked provocation diplomatically. I expect a response, the severity of which is uncertain.



It is similarly provocative for a woman to wear a bikini, even knowing some Saudi guy is at the beach and he thinks its sinful. But no one should give a shit what the Saudi guy thinks, because his views are insane and not worth accommodating. Same thing with China in this instance.

I disagree with comparing someone wearing a bikini to clear provocations against long established international diplomatic agreements for a myriad of reasons, not the least of which being size and scope.

That said, if the beach is a public one in Saudi Arabia, it's prudent they give a shit.


I think it is fair to ask ourselves: Why is China mad? What does China lose by Taiwan having recognized sovereignty away from China? When you answer that question (China wants to take over Taiwan), it feels easy to brush off China being mad. They are mad that they can't be dicks and they want to be dicks.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 01 2022 22:09 GMT
#635
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24382 Posts
August 01 2022 23:00 GMT
#636
Just to be clear, long established official US policy is that Taiwan is part of one China. Trump basically began the departure from that policy and Biden is continuing to escalate it.

People can rationalize or justify it all however they like, but the fact is that the US is on an escalatory path against China in contradiction to long established official US policy and the consequences (of the ongoing bipartisan escalatory path against China) could be catastrophic. Not just for China, the US, and/or Taiwan but the entire world.

Even if people think it's wholly righteous (nothing the US does ever is), disregarding the potential ramifications so haphazardly is irresponsibly dangerous.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
August 01 2022 23:28 GMT
#637
On August 02 2022 08:00 GreenHorizons wrote:
Just to be clear, long established official US policy is that Taiwan is part of one China. Trump basically began the departure from that policy and Biden is continuing to escalate it.

People can rationalize or justify it all however they like, but the fact is that the US is on an escalatory path against China in contradiction to long established official US policy and the consequences (of the ongoing bipartisan escalatory path against China) could be catastrophic. Not just for China, the US, and/or Taiwan but the entire world.

Even if people think it's wholly righteous (nothing the US does ever is), disregarding the potential ramifications so haphazardly is irresponsibly dangerous.


That's one way to frame it. But you could make very similar arguments with abolishing slavery. The US was totally cool with slavery for a long time, and then suddenly, one group decided we needed to not have slavery. Was this a drastic escalation of a culture war? A huge shift in policy? You could say that, but it was also just doing the right thing. It is possible to do the wrong thing and then do a more right thing later. You can't pretend any change in policy that ends up ruffling feathers is directly bad. Supporting Taiwan is the very obviously ethical answer in the debate. This a change, an ethical one. Saying its for some sort of nefarious reason is just weird deflection.

Are you saying support for Taiwan is unethical? What are your views on it? Should Taiwan have permanent separation from China?
gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
August 02 2022 01:39 GMT
#638
Something being ethical and something being a good idea practically are two different things.
It's like seeing a robber robbing another person in an alley with a gun. Do you run in and try to stop him? Sure it's ethical to try to stop the crime, but there's a possibility you won't live to tell the tale.
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 02 2022 01:51 GMT
#639
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gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
August 02 2022 03:44 GMT
#640
I think the answer depends heavily on whether Americans are ready to send their sons to die for Taiwan.
So far this question hasn't even really been discussed on news.
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
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