EPTUnfortunately, in both cases, it seems like something that can work over a very long time horizon, I'm talking 2 years minimum, given the political outlook for Europe and Trump being there for the full duration, it makes me worried what will happen in Ukraine if they run out of money first.
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Jankisa
Croatia1807 Posts
Unfortunately, in both cases, it seems like something that can work over a very long time horizon, I'm talking 2 years minimum, given the political outlook for Europe and Trump being there for the full duration, it makes me worried what will happen in Ukraine if they run out of money first. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8280 Posts
On October 25 2025 00:28 Jankisa wrote: I hope the strategy works, from the "the population will be fed up and do something" angle, I'm not so sure, from the "fuck up the Russian economy to the point where they can't finance the war anymore" I'm more optimistic. Unfortunately, in both cases, it seems like something that can work over a very long time horizon, I'm talking 2 years minimum, given the political outlook for Europe and Trump being there for the full duration, it makes me worried what will happen in Ukraine if they run out of money first. As Putin made it literally illegal for the Russian central bank to disclose anything about their or the country's economy, it's really difficult to tell what any kind of time aspect is here. Too many variables have changed to be able to extrapolate educated guesses from even just this spring, which was the last time they disclosed anything. It could be months, or, like you said, years. One thing's for certain, it'll happen quickly once it does, as Putin has made sure there will be no warning signs. Despite daily heavy battles, things does seem to have stabilised a little bit on the Ukrainian side. We just need to make sure to continue to supply them with what they need. The EU needs to continue picking up the slack from the Orange traitor | ||
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Yurie
12175 Posts
On October 25 2025 00:28 Jankisa wrote: I hope the strategy works, from the "the population will be fed up and do something" angle, I'm not so sure, from the "fuck up the Russian economy to the point where they can't finance the war anymore" I'm more optimistic. Unfortunately, in both cases, it seems like something that can work over a very long time horizon, I'm talking 2 years minimum, given the political outlook for Europe and Trump being there for the full duration, it makes me worried what will happen in Ukraine if they run out of money first. There isn't much risk for Europe affording it or political will on the eastern side closer to Russia. The risk would be that nations like Spain or Italy (which shouldn't feel threatened by Russia) focus more domestically due to running out of interest in the overall conflict. Luckily France will likely stay in since they want to be a major player and this allows them to be one and aligns with their long term strategic goals. Europe can afford this much longer than Russia can as it is still within promised military budgets for all nations. The risk is as you say political, though I think you overstate that. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17852 Posts
In my opinion Russia is on its last legs when it comes to economy. Even if the war ended tomorrow, even with Russian victory they'd probably be crippled for many years. But they refuse to accept defeat and instead grit their teeth and dig deeper, regardless of sacrifices they have to make. This might propel them on this path some more but will have even more dramatic consequences down the line. The question is how long can they endure it and can Ukraine hold on long enough. The problem with analyzing anything when it comes to Russia is that it's never as strong as it seems but it's also never as weak as it looks. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5884 Posts
Russians are terrorizing/murdering Ukrainian farmers. When you think those filthy fuckers can't get any lower, they always prove you wrong. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8280 Posts
Here's hoping we are nearing an end, rather than a middle | ||
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Excludos
Norway8280 Posts
On October 26 2025 04:34 maybenexttime wrote: https://www.reddit.com/r/digitalflatulence/comments/1ofbjjc/ukrainian_farmers_targeted_by_russian_fpv_drones/ Russians are terrorizing/murdering Ukrainian farmers. When you think those filthy fuckers can't get any lower, they always prove you wrong. Makes sense. Russia is just trying to protect their tanks | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5884 Posts
On October 27 2025 02:57 Excludos wrote: https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/10/25/8004379/ Here's hoping we are nearing an end, rather than a middle Even Russia's budget allocated less funds for the military for 2026. They won't last much longer, I hope. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1807 Posts
In regards to "we can outlast them" from the European perspective, I'm a pessimist here because of a few factors: - I believe that one of the reasons why US elected Trump is because right wingers successfully sold the "we are financing Ukraine instead of people at home" - I think that Trump is for one reason or another, deliberately or not going to cause an economic downturn world wide - this, even more then the current "vibes recession" will radicalize more and more people, Czechs just elected their "Ukraine skeptical" populist, those are the best case scenario, look at NL, look at France, look at Germany - in such economic and political climate, the Russian propaganda machine has and will even more join hands with the US propaganda machine and their export of anti immigrant pro authoritarian politics will be accelerated - over the next 3 years of Trump's reign the political face of Europe has a chance to slide into such a place where EU turns its back on Ukraine completely So yeah, I might be pretty pessimistic because of these factors, I do, however, understand that I was scarred shitless that LaPen (directly financed by Russa) might win last French elections and while it was close, it wasn't quite there. I was scarred what the first reign of Geert Wilders will do in NL but no one wanted to go in to a coalition with that freak, but, regardless of that LePen is still (even after the court judgement) polling good, Geert is as well, France is in a full blown fiscal crises, it's looking pretty bad. AfD is the most popular German party, their early start was heavily encouraged by Russia, now it's being boosted by JD Vance, Trump, Musk etc. I'm not sure how it's all going to be played out, I hope there are angels I'm not seeing, that some sort of a left wave will sweep the West soon and save us from all this stupid shit, but since 2020 it's hard to be optimistic. | ||
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Billyboy
2563 Posts
He is just completely unpredictable in the long term. | ||
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0x64
Finland4649 Posts
On October 29 2025 08:12 Billyboy wrote: There is no logic for the Trump MAGA folk, they just gave 40 bn to Argentina and no one batted an eye, even after they bought a bunch of beef which screwed American ranchers from Argentina, no one is switching who they voted for. They will be swayed by whatever Trump says and he swayed by whoever talks to him last with the biggest compliment. So he is a complete wild card. It would be just as likely as your scenario that Trump decides (gets paid personally by military companies) that Ukraine needs the most and bestest stuff. He is just completely unpredictable in the long term. To be fair, in the long term, he is dead... | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
edit: Massive cope dumps incoming over the next few days. | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1451 Posts
On October 29 2025 20:46 zeo wrote: Hey guys, don't know if you've noticed but the word 'Pokrovsk' hasn't been mentioned in this thread for over a month. Just thought you'd like to know. Russia was supposed to be victorious in less than a month. We're approaching four years of fighting. Just thought you'd like to know.  EDIT: On October 29 2025 20:46 zeo wrote: edit: Massive cope dumps incoming over the next few days. I'm pretty sure that the only people who are coping are the ones who are trying to find a silver lining in Russia's "special military operation" lasting almost four years lmao.  | ||
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Excludos
Norway8280 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14211 Posts
Some people legiitmatly believe that russia is the good guy and them winning is good acording to their understanding. There will always be ignorance in the world and being ignorant of ignorance only makes you part of the problem. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1807 Posts
You can really see how shittily Russia is doing militarily by the fact that our resident #1 Putin fan boy only comes to this thread 2-3 times a year when he fails for some Russian propaganda bait to gloat how they *might* take a town of 50 k they've been breaking their teeth on for 2 years. I'm definitely opposed to banning him, it's not his fault he's the way he is, he's brainwashed and a walking example of dunning kruger effect, plus, he's not doing any harm to anyone other then himself. Leave him be, it's fun to laugh at his bad arguments and tactics. | ||
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Billyboy
2563 Posts
On October 29 2025 20:46 zeo wrote: Hey guys, don't know if you've noticed but the word 'Pokrovsk' hasn't been mentioned in this thread for over a month. Just thought you'd like to know. edit: Massive cope dumps incoming over the next few days. Most of the Ukrainian war bloggers (at least the ones I watch) have been saying it was lost for sometime and well that is not good that the plan was to make it cost Russia as much as possible. Then the last while they have been posting these long groups of armor getting blown up by FPV drones, not to mention all the infantry. This seems like a Bakhmut level losses for Russia and will accomplish the same thing, some more square KM's and no major break through? So was it worth it? Have you mathed the cost of Ukraine based on what is happening? Is Russia going to be stronger or weaker after this war? | ||
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Excludos
Norway8280 Posts
On October 29 2025 21:25 Sermokala wrote: Eh part of proving you're superior to authoritarian regimes like russia is being able to tolerate the existence of others. If this were russia he would have been conscripted to the front. In the west he is free to express his opinons so we can be reminded of what work society still has to do. Some people legiitmatly believe that russia is the good guy and them winning is good acording to their understanding. There will always be ignorance in the world and being ignorant of ignorance only makes you part of the problem. I don't care about his opinions. I've tolerated those until now. But ducking into a thread once a month to go "hur hur what about THIS place, eeeeeeeh?!" isn't an opinion, it's low level trolling. I'm bored of him coming i here to derail the thread once a month and duck out until the next time he can come in and spew his low effort garbage | ||
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ahavacounseling
United States1 Post
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Manit0u
Poland17852 Posts
Also, not sure what happened there but a power plant in Sakhalin got struck. It's 6.8k km from Ukraine, right next to Japan. | ||
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