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Russian Federation193 Posts
Spend 20 minutes of your life to warch it. There's an intervirw from 2014 in the video about the reasons and US actions.
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On August 26 2025 14:25 EEk1TwEEk wrote:Spend 20 minutes of your life to warch it. There's an intervirw from 2014 in the video about the reasons and US actions.
Why waste 20 minutes of your life? You say "no Russian propaganda" and then post a video of a guy known for peddling Russian propaganda hosted by a guy known for platforming Russian propaganda. xD
Is he saying anything we haven't already discussed? I watched an episode from this year and he was pushing the same old tired bullshit. Let me guess: broken promises, NATO expansion, Nazi coup?
On August 26 2025 12:40 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2025 12:30 spets1 wrote:On August 26 2025 11:46 Husyelt wrote:On August 26 2025 11:28 spets1 wrote:there is something called sovereignt From Putin's Russia point of view : US and the west has pumped a lot of money into Ukraine through NGOs that promoted russophobia and anti Russian mentality. This money and covert leadership from CIA caused Ukraine elected government to be overthrown in 2014 which started the recent events. There is proof where Americans including Nuland phone call is leaked where they talk about it including who will be the replacement after the coup. So there's proof of the coup, if you look thru Putin's Russia eyes. Putin and Russia have invaded their neighbors every 5 years because they are an imperialist country its really not that confusing. Putin tried to tilt the scales by making Ukraine another puppet state and in 2013 (and onwards) they fought to maintain their independence. Im a "usa empire bad" guy, and theres zero compelling reasons to justify Russia's invasion in 2014, or 2022. Well so far (as an opposing view) we were not talking about that, i was trying to talk about if the war was unprovoked. But either way according to grok russia has invaded 1 country since 1990 (i mean 2 if you count ukraine). Not sure where you get 1 every 5 years from They rolled tanks into Georgia.
Installed puppet regimes in all Soviet Bloc nations. Rolled tanks into Hungary and Czechoslovakia during the USSR. Rolled tanks into the Baltics as the Soviet Union was falling apart. Invaded Moldova, Georgia, and Ukraine (twice). Also breakaway Chechnya.
On August 26 2025 09:12 spets1 wrote:
So I'm going to speak from the point of view of Putin's Russia, Russian wanting to protect their country. Brainwashed or not, under propaganda or not. And possibly the Russian elites around Putin.
You guys keep saying that Russia is the one who breaks it's word all the time and it's word means nothing.
Without going too far
Let's go back to the break up of Soviet union.
Ok so question to you is after the break of Soviet union who first broke their agreements? There was an agreement that NATO will not move an inch eastward. Was that agreement broken? It wasn't only broken it was abused the hell out of. Completely ignoring Russian protests. All protests ignored. Now I know what you will say and from a Russian perspective it doesn't matter what excuses you're going to make to expand NATO. The agreement was broken and abused. Weapons deployed, aimed at Russia shortly after these countries joined NATO.
Noe at this point Russia is very weak, it just went thru hyperinflation a, economy is in shambles, people are struggling, government is run by mafia. Russia has no choice but to accept the expansion because US and NATO are the stronger empire and they dictate terms.
Ok I'll stop here because I'm sure there will be so many rebuttals posted here about sovereignty and other excuses that anyone can join NATO and Russia can't say them to stop. It doesn't matter to Russia. It is a military bloc, formed as an anti USSR, now anti Russia and it's deploying more and more weapons next to Russia, aimed at russia. This is not good for Russia therefore Russia protests against it. Full stop
I already debunked most of that. I linked an article showing that Yeltsin and Putin had no issues with NATO expansion. Putin even helped establish American military bases in Central Asia. Wanna talk James Baker? We can talk James Baker. Gorbachev himself said that there were no such promises at any point, several times.
On August 26 2025 11:28 spets1 wrote:From Putin's Russia point of view : US and the west has pumped a lot of money into Ukraine through NGOs that promoted russophobia and anti Russian mentality. This money and covert leadership from CIA caused Ukraine elected government to be overthrown in 2014 which started the recent events. There is proof where Americans including Nuland phone call is leaked where they talk about it including who will be the replacement after the coup. So there's proof of the coup, if you look thru Putin's Russia eyes.
None of that is true. Why should we treat it as such? You keep bringing up made-up nonsense that Putin doesn't actually believe is true as if they were some real concerns that the West is refusing to address and expect us to entertain that nonsense. You're not presenting anything from Putin's point of view. You're just regurgitating tired talking points, lies that have already been debunked. Are you aware, for example, that since 2014 Ukraine had two elections and they were recognized by Russia itself as legitimate?
What compromise between genocide and leaving Ukraine the fuck alone do you propose?
You present Russia's invasion as a proxy war between Russia and the US. Now that America is openly siding with Russia, who is Russia fighting against? Why haven't they withdrawn yet?
And you still haven't come even an inch closer to justifying Russia invading Ukraine to push against NATO. If you're unhappy with NATO, don't invade a neutral country. As was already pointed out to you several times, before Russia invaded Ukraine had no intention to join NATO, no prospects of that happening (and certainly after Russia's initial invasion), and had an overwhelmingly positive view of Russia. You're peddling lies which are completely removed from reality.
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Russian Federation193 Posts
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Russian Federation193 Posts
On August 26 2025 15:29 EEk1TwEEk wrote:Spend 20 minutes of your life to warch it. There's an intervirw from 2014 in the video about the reasons and US actions. Show nested quote +
Why waste 20 minutes of your life? You say "no Russian propaganda" and then post a video of a guy known for peddling Russian propaganda hosted by a guy known for platforming Russian propaganda. xD
But there's a substract from an interview back from 2014 of Gideon Rose to Brian Colbert, he basically explains why Russian invaded Ukraine, that happened 8 years from then.
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Russian Federation193 Posts
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On August 26 2025 14:25 EEk1TwEEk wrote:Spend 20 minutes of your life to warch it. There's an intervirw from 2014 in the video about the reasons and US actions.
lol for multiple reasons here:
1. You think he will accept eyewitness accounts, media footage or anything dated 2013/2014/2015. People back then simply didn't have our modern sensibilities and interpretations of the events that they were going through. You cannot have the correct interpretation if you base your opinions on things like solid evidence.
2. You think he will listen to someone telling him what he doesn't want to hear for 20min
3. You think he has the attention span to watch something for 20min and not in 15sec tiktok soundbites telling him what he needs to think.
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United States44384 Posts
Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. But in any case, that link also doesn't say what you're asserting it does.
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Russian Federation193 Posts
On August 26 2025 15:44 KwarK wrote:Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. But in any case, that link also doesn't say what you're asserting it does.
Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014?
So it was Russia who overthrew the elected government in 2014?
Wow, you really are a Kamala voter
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United States44384 Posts
On August 26 2025 15:47 EEk1TwEEk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2025 15:44 KwarK wrote:Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. But in any case, that link also doesn't say what you're asserting it does. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014?
Literally yes. It did. Russian troops marched into Crimea.
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Russian Federation193 Posts
On August 26 2025 15:49 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2025 15:47 EEk1TwEEk wrote:On August 26 2025 15:44 KwarK wrote:Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. But in any case, that link also doesn't say what you're asserting it does. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014? Literally yes. It did. Russian troops marched into Crimea.
No battle, not a single person died, just a referendum with 98% of ppl returning to Russia
Anyways, watch the video please, you can't defend your position unless you listen to what opposing to your argument person is saying.
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United States44384 Posts
On August 26 2025 15:58 EEk1TwEEk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2025 15:49 KwarK wrote:On August 26 2025 15:47 EEk1TwEEk wrote:On August 26 2025 15:44 KwarK wrote:Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. But in any case, that link also doesn't say what you're asserting it does. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014? Literally yes. It did. Russian troops marched into Crimea. No battle, not a single person died, just a referendum with 98% of ppl returning to Russia.
Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014.
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Wow, it's kind of sad to see the consistently debunked and fake arguments getting posted over and over again.
You see KwarK, those weren't Russian troops, they had no markings on their uniforms, so they were just local patriots that wanted a Crimea free from the Ukrainian regime. Same patriots who overthrew local goverments in Luhansk and Doneck and tried to do the same in Mariupol and a bunch of other places in Ukraine.
Also, how can you be so blind, the American ambassador discussing with their EU colleague who they think would be a good successor to the overthrown president who had snipers shooting at protestors and who's mansion revealed insane levels of stealing and corruption after he fled to Russia and who lost control of the country after he re-negged on his promise of EU direction for the country is absolute proof that Americans organized everything, it's so simple, why are you guys so blind.
And then, since 2014, in a country which was in active conflict with separatist forces within its borders, these blood thirsty Ukrainian Nazis elected this coked up Jewish maniac on a platform of making peace with Russia, this maniac won 70 % of the vote and was very obviously put there to provoke Russia, by going and trying to make peace in Minsk, the same peace that was broken by Russian separatists every time.
He then made Putin do troop buildups on his borders 3 times until he finally, in a act of pure, unprovoked aggression made Russians invade his country and send a column of tanks 100 kilometers long to their capital, committing numerous war crimes on the way because this was necessary to liberate the repressed Ukrainian people from this warmongering Nazi Jew maniac Zlenskyy.
Dave Smith and John Meshimer said as much, have you guys even watched Dave Rubin and Tim Pool? Why would Rogan who is a neutral arbiter of truth and justice ever side with Russia if they weren't absolutely in the right? Wake up sheeple!
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Russian Federation193 Posts
On August 26 2025 16:01 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2025 15:58 EEk1TwEEk wrote:On August 26 2025 15:49 KwarK wrote:On August 26 2025 15:47 EEk1TwEEk wrote:On August 26 2025 15:44 KwarK wrote:Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. But in any case, that link also doesn't say what you're asserting it does. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014? Literally yes. It did. Russian troops marched into Crimea. No battle, not a single person died, just a referendum with 98% of ppl returning to Russia. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014.
Yeah that sums up the politics discussion on TL.
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United States44384 Posts
On August 26 2025 16:05 EEk1TwEEk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2025 16:01 KwarK wrote:On August 26 2025 15:58 EEk1TwEEk wrote:On August 26 2025 15:49 KwarK wrote:On August 26 2025 15:47 EEk1TwEEk wrote:On August 26 2025 15:44 KwarK wrote:Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. But in any case, that link also doesn't say what you're asserting it does. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014? Literally yes. It did. Russian troops marched into Crimea. No battle, not a single person died, just a referendum with 98% of ppl returning to Russia. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. Yeah that sums up the politics discussion on TL.
They literally invaded Ukraine in 2014. You can pretend otherwise in Russia while the secret police read your posts but you can’t change what happened.
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Russian Federation193 Posts
They literally invaded Ukraine in 2014. You can pretend otherwise in Russia while the secret police read your posts but you can’t change what happened.
Secret police
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United States44384 Posts
I’m beginning to think I know much more about Russia than you do.
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Russian Federation193 Posts
On August 26 2025 16:11 KwarK wrote:
I’m beginning to think I know much more about Russia than you do.
Yeah, CNN agrees with you
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theres no point in trying to present information to some people in here, even if you show them black and point at it, they will still say its white
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You guys are living in a post truth society.
You are living under a government who's been using the firehose of falsehood as their official government communication tool for decades.
It's very telling that the guys who are here defending Russia are 1. Serbian, 2. Chinese and 3. Russian + one who is too cowardly to reveal where they are posting from, but one of the 3 seems likely.
The countries famous for strict control of the information in the country, taking over and giving to allies their TV stations and news papers, having laws prohibiting certain speech or certain information, having a literal "the great Chinese firewall", banning social media etc.
And you have the gall to come over here and pretend like we are the one susceptible to propaganda, I guess after a while you guys internalize your government's tactics, it's actually pretty sad.
I hate my government, so do most posters on these forums, hell, at this point I'm not even a big fan of Zelenskyy as a politician, but he's a hell of a war time leader and 100 x times the man and human compared to Putin, Vučić or Xi, and by extension you guys.
If my country or any country in the west was doing 1 % of what Russia was doing I'd condemn them immediately. In fact my country counts Israel as an ally and I spend a good chunk of my posting trying to bring attention to all the monstrous shit they do. Too bad you guys are incapable of such nuance.
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On August 26 2025 15:49 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2025 15:47 EEk1TwEEk wrote:On August 26 2025 15:44 KwarK wrote:Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. But in any case, that link also doesn't say what you're asserting it does. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014? Literally yes. It did. Russian troops marched into Crimea.
How is this possibly a point of contention WHEN PUTIN HIMSELF ADMITTED IT?!
This is why one can't have a discussion with these people. There is never any semblance of trying to argue in good faith to begin with
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