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On March 04 2025 20:01 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2025 19:52 ETisME wrote:
There is no peace deal that last forever, or else we would have solved war.
I think Europe post-WW2 kinda got it out of their system (at least when it comes to fighting within Europe itself). Turns out in the modern world everyone benefits more if there is no war. Who would've thought?
So far that is.
We are in the era of degloblisation because protectionism/localism and state led market (but hyper capitalism) seems to
have worked extremely well in both China and India.
as long as we are in a world with limited resources, benefits don't flow equally and that includes critical supplies.
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On March 04 2025 20:39 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2025 10:08 Falling wrote:
Well sure, but Russia has a track record of not honouring agreements, so it follows that Zelensky's number one question is... okay, so what happens if Russia doesn't honour the deal?
Even if Trump is right- that Putin will never attack because of Trump's personal guarantee. Who cares, Russia seems to take a five year pause to build up and take the next swing... by then Trump's out of office and Putin's ready to go again. And even if Trump is going for a third term, unless Trump plans to live forever, Trump's say so as the single guarantee that Putin won't do nothing means nothing. You also cannot force other country to give security guarantee, especially up against a nuclear arm bearing nation. Similarly, I have no problem with Ukraine not taking it and hope for better. When people are talking about security guarantees they are not talking about Russia.
Russia giving guarantees is meaningless because Russia's word is meaningless as they have repeatedly demonstrated.
What Ukraine needs is to be part of Western mutual defence agreements as a security guarantee.
Which is also why "Ukraine can't do that" is part of every Russian acceptable deal.
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On March 04 2025 20:01 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2025 19:52 ETisME wrote:
There is no peace deal that last forever, or else we would have solved war.
I think Europe post-WW2 kinda got it out of their system (at least when it comes to fighting within Europe itself). Turns out in the modern world everyone benefits more if there is no war. Who would've thought?
And all it took was to be split into US and Soviet spheres of control with no independence to wage war among themselves.
After all, this war could only have happened due to collapse of Soviet power.
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On March 04 2025 22:19 pmp10 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2025 20:01 Manit0u wrote:On March 04 2025 19:52 ETisME wrote:
There is no peace deal that last forever, or else we would have solved war.
I think Europe post-WW2 kinda got it out of their system (at least when it comes to fighting within Europe itself). Turns out in the modern world everyone benefits more if there is no war. Who would've thought? And all it took was to be split into US and Soviet spheres of control with no independence to wage war among themselves. After all, this war could only have happened due to collapse of Soviet power.
There’s also really no appetite for it.
I think it goes pretty understated quite how much of a policy and cultural triumph that actually was/is.
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