EPTTusk said the idea needs to be considered carefully but first we need to know what exactly is proposed, especially who will get to to control those bombs and how much would it cost. He also claimed the UK has a problem today because they can't use their own nuclear weapons without American help (I would be surprised if that's true), which suggests he's probably not interested in paying for merely enlarging the French arsenal.
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Poland9331 Posts
Tusk said the idea needs to be considered carefully but first we need to know what exactly is proposed, especially who will get to to control those bombs and how much would it cost. He also claimed the UK has a problem today because they can't use their own nuclear weapons without American help (I would be surprised if that's true), which suggests he's probably not interested in paying for merely enlarging the French arsenal. | ||
KwarK
United States44361 Posts
On March 08 2025 01:55 Sent. wrote: Tusk was indeed referring to the French proposal and didn't say anything that made it look like he wants to start an independent nuclear program. Tusk said the idea needs to be considered carefully but first we need to know what exactly is proposed, especially who will get to to control those bombs and how much would it cost. He also claimed the UK has a problem today because they can't use their own nuclear weapons without American help (I would be surprised if that's true), which suggests he's probably not interested in paying for merely enlarging the French arsenal. The UK controls the triggers but not the tech. If the US cut off the UK then the UK would have to develop the tech again independently which would be a lot of work and money. But the US cannot stop the UK from destroying all major cities of any adversary. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9246 Posts
On March 07 2025 23:07 Excludos wrote: This is something that is literally hurting US, in favour of helping Russia. I know this is said often, but how can there be any doubts left that Krasnov is a Russian agent? And how can anyone within the US still believe this is somehow making America great again? I still don't think that. He's completely immune to blackmail, there's so much shit about him that's public already that hasn't hurt him at all so I don't see what Russia could be holding over him. And he holds no allegiance to anyone or anything except his ego. So the Russian agent theory makes no sense to me, I see no reason why he would deliberately work for them. This particular decision can be easily explained by his usual pettiness. He's hindering Ukraine because he's upset about his 'peace plan' not being accepted and the Zelensky meeting blowing up in his face. | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1967 Posts
Now he is posting that he may sanction Russia, as if, so that it looks like he is forcing both sides to compromise and that's enough for the spineless and the uninformed... | ||
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Poland5872 Posts
On March 08 2025 02:27 Dan HH wrote: I still don't think that. He's completely immune to blackmail, there's so much shit about him that's public already that hasn't hurt him at all so I don't see what Russia could be holding over him. And he holds no allegiance to anyone or anything except his ego. So the Russian agent theory makes no sense to me, I see no reason why he would deliberately work for them. This particular decision can be easily explained by his usual pettiness. He's hindering Ukraine because he's upset about his 'peace plan' not being accepted and the Zelensky meeting blowing up in his face. While I was of the opinion that he's immune to blackmail, I can't explain his behavior in any other way than being a Russian asset. He's giving them everything for free before any negotiations while attacking America's allies. It doesn't make any sense. Maybe the kompromats are something extreme, like sex with children or some fecal fetish or such. I have no idea. Maybe he's just that easily manipulated and there are Russian agents on his team. | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2892 Posts
Say he handed over one piece of top secret material, that's the rest of his life in prison. It's usually how it goes. The original kompromat is kind of small but as soon as you start working for them that's a crime and pretty soon you are stuck. If Putin blows the lid and provides solid evidence that's a real threat. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22646 Posts
But it could also just as easily that Russia knows how to stroke Trumps ego combined with, as Zelensky said a bit ago, that he is stuck in a Russian disinformation bubble. Saying stuff like Zelensky being a dictator might just be because that is what he keeps seeing/hearing from whatever bubble he is in. | ||
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Hat Trick of Today
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Russia has signalled that it’s open to a ceasefire, presumably due to reports that its economy is overheating, but they’re not really asking for anything additional. Ukraine is also open to a ceasefire but they are also asking for Russia to provide territory concessions so to speak. They’re also the weaker party in this dispute. Even ignoring the potential pettiness reasons for this administration leaning on Ukraine, they want the weakest party to fold so they can claim their foreign policy victory. It doesn’t go much further than that for most of these guys in my opinion. | ||
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Poland5872 Posts
On March 08 2025 05:47 Sent. wrote: I don't think Trump's people consider what they're doing "giving Russians everything for free". To them, giving resources or intel to Ukraine are expenses they don't need to make and the stuff America gets in return for doing that is worthless. You can say that it's a short-sighted, egoistic or naive view but it's possible Trump is not a Russian agent and really believes throwing Ukraine under the bus and getting into tariff wars with everyone is the right path. What about lifting sanctions on Russia (the US is an oil exporter, so Trump is helping his competitor), suspending cyber operations against Russia with no reciprocity, banning Maxar from selling satellite images to Ukraine, or withholding intel from Ukraine? None of those benefit Trump or the US. They only benefit Russia. Not to mention banning Ukraine from joining NATO. Trump could've used that as a bargaining chip in his benefit, not even necessarily to get any concessions for Ukraine. | ||
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Poland5872 Posts
https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2025/03/07/outcry-as-united-russia-gifts-meat-grinder-to-mother-of-dead-russian-soldier-en-news xD | ||
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
On March 08 2025 06:48 maybenexttime wrote: Russia is giving meatgrinders to the families of fallen soldiers. https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2025/03/07/outcry-as-united-russia-gifts-meat-grinder-to-mother-of-dead-russian-soldier-en-news xD This is at "Sims" levels of incompetence and unattachment from reality. Does Russia have a requirement that you can only have a maximum of 60IQ to join the government? | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17850 Posts
On March 08 2025 00:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote: you can not rely on any agreements made by previous US Presidents. It is part of the fundamental nature of the US government system. Since 1988 the USA has been contravening free trade deals with Canada. Every time a new President is elected and sometimes even when a new Governor in a certain state gets elected Americans will start breaking whatever Free Trade Deal that was made a year or two earlier. The US Navy gets completely upended whenever a new Prez is elected. I imagine it is like that with many other government agencies... not just the US Navy. So its not just Trump. The US Democracy creates unstable decision makers. Interestingly, Trump has threatened to contravene the USMCA about 10,000 times since January 21, 2025 and yet he has actually adhered to it. Mere threats have scared investment away from Canada and into the USA though. Smart move by Trump. Whatever deal any USA President makes ... do not expect it to stick. It is not a Trump thing... its a USA thing. It is very much a Trump thing. No other president in the US history has been influenced so much by foreign powers. There's a book that describes it pretty well: https://www.amazon.com/Putins-People-Took-Back-Russia/dp/0374238715 How easy Trump is to influence and manipulate was discovered by the Russians back in the 80's. They started working on him in 1987 during his visit in Moscow. Using his "immense interest in slavic women", propositions to build a massive hotel in Moscow, naming a vodka after him etc. Russians have saved his failing financial empire on numerous occasions, they bought him the right to use his name on the hotels, bought real estate at inflated prices, "lost" large sums of money in his hotel casinos. This way they've created an image of "good, helpful friend Russian" in Trump's mind and basically turned him into an unaware puppet. And we have no idea if they don't have some real dirt on him either, I would suspect they do. Trump is not intelligent enough or willing to learn much so it's pretty much incorrigible. | ||
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Poland17850 Posts
On March 08 2025 07:29 Excludos wrote: This is at "Sims" levels of incompetence and unattachment from reality. Does Russia have a requirement that you can only have a maximum of 60IQ to join the government? No, this is what decades if not centuries of sheepification does to people. Ever since the tzar's Russia has made huge efforts to keep their population docile and willing to accept whatever the government tells them to or asks of them. One of the biggest contributors to this was creating the (false) notion that vodka is the traditional Russian drink (original Russian people were more into mead and beer). After that there were a lot of repression and state-influenced propaganda so now most of the Russian population just takes whatever the government says at face value and is gracious for whatever scraps they throw them (hey, at least it's better than being sent to the gulag). | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
On March 08 2025 05:40 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: I mean just being a KGB asset for 30+ years would land you a pretty significant prison sentence, no? Say he handed over one piece of top secret material, that's the rest of his life in prison. It's usually how it goes. The original kompromat is kind of small but as soon as you start working for them that's a crime and pretty soon you are stuck. If Putin blows the lid and provides solid evidence that's a real threat. Sir, this is America. If Putin straight up announced at the UN that Trump was his asset and was working against his own country, and provided 30 years of records proving same... nothing would happen. The maggots would declare that working against the US was a good thing because united states = deep states. The "conservatives" would immediately remove their one remaining collective testicle and present it to him. The dems would make some more tiny signs. It's completely irrelevant. | ||
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pmp10
3400 Posts
Predictably Russia is pushing hard to make gains before any negotiations. I wonder if they timed it just now to make use of US intelligence sharing freeze. Assuming it even mattered. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17850 Posts
Edit: It seems it has a lot to do with the blackout Ukrainians are now experiencing when it comes to intelligence. There are even rumors of US feeding intelligence to the Russians. | ||
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ETisME
12889 Posts
On March 08 2025 16:11 pmp10 wrote: It seems Ukrainian troops in Kursk might be in trouble. Predictably Russia is pushing hard to make gains before any negotiations. I wonder if they timed it just now to make use of US intelligence sharing freeze. Assuming it even mattered. I think both Russia and Ukraine knew this year will be when negotiation starts and ends, even before Trump got into power. Russia did their huge recruitment effort last year, and Ukraine wanted the Kursk to be a bargaining chip. If you only followed mainstream media, you would have thought Kursk showed Ukraine still got some fierce in them. When they failed to encirclement/ capture the strategically important spots like the powerplants, this was a failure more than anything else. They made it worse by choosing to stand ground instead of retreating, this became a meatgrinder on both sides. Ukraine is throwing new recruits with 50-70% survival rate, reported by some of the Ukrainians commanders. The reason why they wanted to stand ground is hoping for a territory swap, which Russia already rejected, hardly a surprise since Russia had been recapturing it consistently. - Ukraine might just land one of the worst position possible on the negotiation table. It started too late, and it has been losing for too long, and is still losing. The worst outcome is if the negotiation drags on long enough to the point where Ukraine's army breaks spirit. Ukraine is not getting enough recruits and some of their armies had been fighting since the invasion began, and no rotation means their spirit are going to collapse sooner or later. Deserters number have reached over 100,000 and this is just the public figure. With all the investments and loans send to Ukraine, it's really time to go all in or just cut loss. France is at least being pro-active (in fact it was the only nation to propose sending troops to aid Ukraine a couple months back). All the big fancy number aids being announced by other nations, unless they can deliver immediately and solve manpower issue, to me it's all PR stunts. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
On March 09 2025 13:00 ETisME wrote: I think both Russia and Ukraine knew this year will be when negotiation starts and ends, even before Trump got into power. Russia did their huge recruitment effort last year, and Ukraine wanted the Kursk to be a bargaining chip. If you only followed mainstream media, you would have thought Kursk showed Ukraine still got some fierce in them. When they failed to encirclement/ capture the strategically important spots like the powerplants, this was a failure more than anything else. They made it worse by choosing to stand ground instead of retreating, this became a meatgrinder on both sides. Ukraine is throwing new recruits with 50-70% survival rate, reported by some of the Ukrainians commanders. The reason why they wanted to stand ground is hoping for a territory swap, which Russia already rejected, hardly a surprise since Russia had been recapturing it consistently. - Ukraine might just land one of the worst position possible on the negotiation table. It started too late, and it has been losing for too long, and is still losing. The worst outcome is if the negotiation drags on long enough to the point where Ukraine's army breaks spirit. Ukraine is not getting enough recruits and some of their armies had been fighting since the invasion began, and no rotation means their spirit are going to collapse sooner or later. Deserters number have reached over 100,000 and this is just the public figure. With all the investments and loans send to Ukraine, it's really time to go all in or just cut loss. France is at least being pro-active (in fact it was the only nation to propose sending troops to aid Ukraine a couple months back). All the big fancy number aids being announced by other nations, unless they can deliver immediately and solve manpower issue, to me it's all PR stunts. You seem to have your history a bit backwards there. Kursk wasn't planned, it was an attack of opportunity. When Russian defence in the area failed, largely manned by conscripts, Ukraine took the opportunity to push as far as they could. It's telling how utterly unprepared Ukraine was for this (and Russia for that matter), having to quickly relocate huge amounts of troops to the area so they could continue to fight. Yes, it's a shame they never reached the powerplants. But it's not a failure as such; they never truly planned for it to begin with. Their initial vector of attack wasn't even in that direction. And lastly, could you actually start reading your own sources? Do you really think up to 70% of Ukranian recruits die within 5 days? That would be utter insanity. The "report" is from 2023, and based off of a single guy's quote. Come on. This isn't Reddit. At least read past the headline | ||
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Poland5872 Posts
The website is some Indian student regurgitating Russian propaganda. | ||
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