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On March 10 2025 21:06 0x64 wrote: The only deal that would had worked, would have been that the USA get right on ressources of territory occupied by Russia. But Putin and Trump being BFFs, we know the plan is to take half for Russia, Half for USA.
We are back to "freeing Iraq"
What would the US offer in an exchange for the territory? Tbh I don't even think the US has that much bargaining power to offer on the table, except for lifting sanctions. Even the EU might have more to offer, given they got that frozen Russia assets.
On March 10 2025 21:06 0x64 wrote: The only deal that would had worked, would have been that the USA get right on ressources of territory occupied by Russia. But Putin and Trump being BFFs, we know the plan is to take half for Russia, Half for USA.
We are back to "freeing Iraq"
What would the US offer in an exchange for the territory?
more support for Ukraine.
The idea would be the US helps Ukraine actually win the war and push Russia out. Then the US gets part of the resources from those area's they helped liberate and it puts US interests directly in front of Russia to further incentivise the US to protect Ukraine in the future.
You don't negotiate with Russia because you can't. Russia wants to control and oppress everyone around them and their word is with absolute shit.
I wonder if they timed it just now to make use of US intelligence sharing freeze. Assuming it even mattered.
I think both Russia and Ukraine knew this year will be when negotiation starts and ends, even before Trump got into power. Russia did their huge recruitment effort last year, and Ukraine wanted the Kursk to be a bargaining chip.
If you only followed mainstream media, you would have thought Kursk showed Ukraine still got some fierce in them. When they failed to encirclement/ capture the strategically important spots like the powerplants, this was a failure more than anything else.
- Ukraine might just land one of the worst position possible on the negotiation table. It started too late, and it has been losing for too long, and is still losing.
The worst outcome is if the negotiation drags on long enough to the point where Ukraine's army breaks spirit. Ukraine is not getting enough recruits and some of their armies had been fighting since the invasion began, and no rotation means their spirit are going to collapse sooner or later.
With all the investments and loans send to Ukraine, it's really time to go all in or just cut loss. France is at least being pro-active (in fact it was the only nation to propose sending troops to aid Ukraine a couple months back). All the big fancy number aids being announced by other nations, unless they can deliver immediately and solve manpower issue, to me it's all PR stunts.
Their negotiating positions are irreconcilable. No negotiations any time soon.
Russia not accepting peace keeping forces or Ukraine joining defensive alliances is the most critical point. The rest I think they could hammer out in a negotiation.
Russia requires that Ukraine surrender national sovereignty because they don’t believe that Ukraine can be allowed sovereignty. Ukraine believes that it has sovereignty and, like any free people, will never give it up willingly. There is no room for compromise, it’s not like they can be sovereign every other day.
The official demands are: 1. no NATO membership for Ukraine; 2. Ukraine’s recognition of Russia’s annexation of four Ukrainian provinces (even though Russia does not physically control all the territory of three of them); 3. Ukraine’s demilitarization and denazification (code for the installation of a pro-Russia puppet in Kyiv); and 4. the lifting of anti-Russia sanctions.
i don't think both sides are seeing this as end all be all for Ukraine. Or else we wouldn't have a peace talk that almost went through in 2022.
So in your world Russia wants Ukraine disarmed and restrained because it doesn’t want to assault it? Kinda like how Hitler wanted Czechoslovakia to cede their defensive lines in the Sudetenland because of how much he wasn’t planning to invade.
These are literally Russia's demands for the peace deal. I have only added a remark that BOTH sides don't see it as end all be all, which is how you see it. Especially the "no room to comprises", which is just silly when they were already thinking about exchanging territory and Ukraine would have to pick which land to exchange and which land they would have to forego
Russia would never accept the current lines to be frozen, they want a lot more to even consider peace, this is already an unacceptable position to start negotiating from
Ukraine asked for return for Crimea as well, that's never going to happen. There's more effort to escalate than negotiation last year, and now the deal has to be made in the worst position. The only bargaining chip Ukraine has left is the Russian's frozen assets. (that is still pending legal matters)
I know that you are a bit stuck in a disinformation bubble, but the biggest bargaining chip is that Ukraine can hold out for longer than Russia can keep up their invasion, barring the USA officially taking sides and supporting Russia itself.
Russia cannot accept any kind of peacekeepers in or security guaranteed for Ukraine because any peace deal or ceasefire is just a break for them to gather and replenish their forces, and then go again later. If a peace deal means that they cannot go again later, it is not a viable peace deal for them. Russia will continue their invasion(s) against anyone who isn't part of a defensive alliance or has other security measures in place, or until it physically cannot do so anymore.
This is why sending additional diplomats does nothing and why sending more ammunition and other hardware is the fastest way to peace. Russia understands no other language. The only reason why Russia is even "entertaining" the thought of peace talks is to look more reasonable in the eyes of the Western world, hoping that this will erode the support for Ukraine.
On March 10 2025 21:06 0x64 wrote: The only deal that would had worked, would have been that the USA get right on ressources of territory occupied by Russia. But Putin and Trump being BFFs, we know the plan is to take half for Russia, Half for USA.
We are back to "freeing Iraq"
What would the US offer in an exchange for the territory?
more support for Ukraine.
The idea would be the US helps Ukraine actually win the war and push Russia out. Then the US gets part of the resources from those area's they helped liberate and it puts US interests directly in front of Russia to further incentivise the US to protect Ukraine in the future.
You don't negotiate with Russia because you can't. Russia wants to control and oppress everyone around them and their word is with absolute shit.
I guess it would be more like US gets allowed access to minerals in russia occupied territory right now and act as a buffer. If the minerals deal is coupled with a win condition first then US will never go for it.
On March 09 2025 13:00 ETisME wrote: [quote] I think both Russia and Ukraine knew this year will be when negotiation starts and ends, even before Trump got into power. Russia did their huge recruitment effort last year, and Ukraine wanted the Kursk to be a bargaining chip.
If you only followed mainstream media, you would have thought Kursk showed Ukraine still got some fierce in them. When they failed to encirclement/ capture the strategically important spots like the powerplants, this was a failure more than anything else.
- Ukraine might just land one of the worst position possible on the negotiation table. It started too late, and it has been losing for too long, and is still losing.
The worst outcome is if the negotiation drags on long enough to the point where Ukraine's army breaks spirit. Ukraine is not getting enough recruits and some of their armies had been fighting since the invasion began, and no rotation means their spirit are going to collapse sooner or later.
With all the investments and loans send to Ukraine, it's really time to go all in or just cut loss. France is at least being pro-active (in fact it was the only nation to propose sending troops to aid Ukraine a couple months back). All the big fancy number aids being announced by other nations, unless they can deliver immediately and solve manpower issue, to me it's all PR stunts.
Their negotiating positions are irreconcilable. No negotiations any time soon.
Russia not accepting peace keeping forces or Ukraine joining defensive alliances is the most critical point. The rest I think they could hammer out in a negotiation.
Russia requires that Ukraine surrender national sovereignty because they don’t believe that Ukraine can be allowed sovereignty. Ukraine believes that it has sovereignty and, like any free people, will never give it up willingly. There is no room for compromise, it’s not like they can be sovereign every other day.
The official demands are: 1. no NATO membership for Ukraine; 2. Ukraine’s recognition of Russia’s annexation of four Ukrainian provinces (even though Russia does not physically control all the territory of three of them); 3. Ukraine’s demilitarization and denazification (code for the installation of a pro-Russia puppet in Kyiv); and 4. the lifting of anti-Russia sanctions.
i don't think both sides are seeing this as end all be all for Ukraine. Or else we wouldn't have a peace talk that almost went through in 2022.
So in your world Russia wants Ukraine disarmed and restrained because it doesn’t want to assault it? Kinda like how Hitler wanted Czechoslovakia to cede their defensive lines in the Sudetenland because of how much he wasn’t planning to invade.
These are literally Russia's demands for the peace deal. I have only added a remark that BOTH sides don't see it as end all be all, which is how you see it. Especially the "no room to comprises", which is just silly when they were already thinking about exchanging territory and Ukraine would have to pick which land to exchange and which land they would have to forego
Russia would never accept the current lines to be frozen, they want a lot more to even consider peace, this is already an unacceptable position to start negotiating from
Ukraine asked for return for Crimea as well, that's never going to happen. There's more effort to escalate than negotiation last year, and now the deal has to be made in the worst position. The only bargaining chip Ukraine has left is the Russian's frozen assets. (that is still pending legal matters)
I know that you are a bit stuck in a disinformation bubble, but the biggest bargaining chip is that Ukraine can hold out for longer than Russia can keep up their invasion, barring the USA officially taking sides and supporting Russia itself.
Russia cannot accept any kind of peacekeepers in or security guaranteed for Ukraine because any peace deal or ceasefire is just a break for them to gather and replenish their forces, and then go again later. If a peace deal means that they cannot go again later, it is not a viable peace deal for them. Russia will continue their invasion(s) against anyone who isn't part of a defensive alliance or has other security measures in place, or until it physically cannot do so anymore.
This is why sending additional diplomats does nothing and why sending more ammunition and other hardware is the fastest way to peace. Russia understands no other language. The only reason why Russia is even "entertaining" the thought of peace talks is to look more reasonable in the eyes of the Western world, hoping that this will erode the support for Ukraine.
Disinformation bubble? I have given plenty of sources to back up my claims. be it morality rate, mass desertion, recruitment issues, the poll numbers. None of these are hidden secrets and have been reported even on mainstream media.
Even Ukraine is in negotiation for peace now, so is this all pointless to you then? If you think all thee diplomatic solution don't matter at all, then you are essentially saying the entire Russia to be taken down.
There's no way you think this is being seriously considered?
Even if Russia slows down for whatever reason, there's no way Ukraine can ever recapture seized lands, Russia has total defender advantages in those area by now.
Well unless the EU or a few European nations deploy troops, and with more foreign volunteers like yourself join the war effort.
On March 10 2025 20:54 KT_Elwood wrote: Russia can't be trusted and (like the US) won't tolerate any ruling body that isn't ruling in their interest.
The only fear that politicans have, is that their donors might have money in russia which then gets seized and they get cut off (as many companies of the west still are doing business in russia).
On March 10 2025 03:40 KwarK wrote: [quote] Their negotiating positions are irreconcilable. No negotiations any time soon.
Russia not accepting peace keeping forces or Ukraine joining defensive alliances is the most critical point. The rest I think they could hammer out in a negotiation.
Russia requires that Ukraine surrender national sovereignty because they don’t believe that Ukraine can be allowed sovereignty. Ukraine believes that it has sovereignty and, like any free people, will never give it up willingly. There is no room for compromise, it’s not like they can be sovereign every other day.
The official demands are: 1. no NATO membership for Ukraine; 2. Ukraine’s recognition of Russia’s annexation of four Ukrainian provinces (even though Russia does not physically control all the territory of three of them); 3. Ukraine’s demilitarization and denazification (code for the installation of a pro-Russia puppet in Kyiv); and 4. the lifting of anti-Russia sanctions.
i don't think both sides are seeing this as end all be all for Ukraine. Or else we wouldn't have a peace talk that almost went through in 2022.
So in your world Russia wants Ukraine disarmed and restrained because it doesn’t want to assault it? Kinda like how Hitler wanted Czechoslovakia to cede their defensive lines in the Sudetenland because of how much he wasn’t planning to invade.
These are literally Russia's demands for the peace deal. I have only added a remark that BOTH sides don't see it as end all be all, which is how you see it. Especially the "no room to comprises", which is just silly when they were already thinking about exchanging territory and Ukraine would have to pick which land to exchange and which land they would have to forego
Russia would never accept the current lines to be frozen, they want a lot more to even consider peace, this is already an unacceptable position to start negotiating from
Ukraine asked for return for Crimea as well, that's never going to happen. There's more effort to escalate than negotiation last year, and now the deal has to be made in the worst position. The only bargaining chip Ukraine has left is the Russian's frozen assets. (that is still pending legal matters)
I know that you are a bit stuck in a disinformation bubble, but the biggest bargaining chip is that Ukraine can hold out for longer than Russia can keep up their invasion, barring the USA officially taking sides and supporting Russia itself.
Russia cannot accept any kind of peacekeepers in or security guaranteed for Ukraine because any peace deal or ceasefire is just a break for them to gather and replenish their forces, and then go again later. If a peace deal means that they cannot go again later, it is not a viable peace deal for them. Russia will continue their invasion(s) against anyone who isn't part of a defensive alliance or has other security measures in place, or until it physically cannot do so anymore.
This is why sending additional diplomats does nothing and why sending more ammunition and other hardware is the fastest way to peace. Russia understands no other language. The only reason why Russia is even "entertaining" the thought of peace talks is to look more reasonable in the eyes of the Western world, hoping that this will erode the support for Ukraine.
Disinformation bubble? I have given plenty of sources to back up my claims. be it morality rate, mass desertion, recruitment issues, the poll numbers. None of these are hidden secrets and have been reported even on mainstream media.
Even Ukraine is in negotiation for peace now, so is this all pointless to you then? If you think all thee diplomatic solution don't matter at all, then you are essentially saying the entire Russia to be taken down.
There's no way you think this is being seriously considered?
Even if Russia slows down for whatever reason, there's no way Ukraine can ever recapture seized lands, Russia has total defender advantages in those area by now.
Well unless the EU or a few European nations deploy troops, and with more foreign volunteers like yourself join the war effort.
There really can't be any peace deals IMO because neither side is going to compromise on their goals.
UKR wants:
Full sovereignty
Return to pre-2014 borders
Guarantees that Russia will not invade ever again
RU wants:
Ukraine to not exist as a country any more pretty much
If above can't be achieved it wants to make sure Ukraine is never able to field an army and defend itself again (so they can take it easier in the future)
Those goals are not really compatible.
The biggest problem for Russia is that they're running out of assets and at the rate they're going now they'll be able to capture Ukraine in about 100 years or so (and I don't think they have enough steam in the tank to go beyond 2025). The biggest problem for Ukraine is that they're willing to withstand this as long as is necessary but this hinges on Western support.
Russia not accepting peace keeping forces or Ukraine joining defensive alliances is the most critical point. The rest I think they could hammer out in a negotiation.
Russia requires that Ukraine surrender national sovereignty because they don’t believe that Ukraine can be allowed sovereignty. Ukraine believes that it has sovereignty and, like any free people, will never give it up willingly. There is no room for compromise, it’s not like they can be sovereign every other day.
The official demands are: 1. no NATO membership for Ukraine; 2. Ukraine’s recognition of Russia’s annexation of four Ukrainian provinces (even though Russia does not physically control all the territory of three of them); 3. Ukraine’s demilitarization and denazification (code for the installation of a pro-Russia puppet in Kyiv); and 4. the lifting of anti-Russia sanctions.
i don't think both sides are seeing this as end all be all for Ukraine. Or else we wouldn't have a peace talk that almost went through in 2022.
So in your world Russia wants Ukraine disarmed and restrained because it doesn’t want to assault it? Kinda like how Hitler wanted Czechoslovakia to cede their defensive lines in the Sudetenland because of how much he wasn’t planning to invade.
These are literally Russia's demands for the peace deal. I have only added a remark that BOTH sides don't see it as end all be all, which is how you see it. Especially the "no room to comprises", which is just silly when they were already thinking about exchanging territory and Ukraine would have to pick which land to exchange and which land they would have to forego
Russia would never accept the current lines to be frozen, they want a lot more to even consider peace, this is already an unacceptable position to start negotiating from
Ukraine asked for return for Crimea as well, that's never going to happen. There's more effort to escalate than negotiation last year, and now the deal has to be made in the worst position. The only bargaining chip Ukraine has left is the Russian's frozen assets. (that is still pending legal matters)
I know that you are a bit stuck in a disinformation bubble, but the biggest bargaining chip is that Ukraine can hold out for longer than Russia can keep up their invasion, barring the USA officially taking sides and supporting Russia itself.
Russia cannot accept any kind of peacekeepers in or security guaranteed for Ukraine because any peace deal or ceasefire is just a break for them to gather and replenish their forces, and then go again later. If a peace deal means that they cannot go again later, it is not a viable peace deal for them. Russia will continue their invasion(s) against anyone who isn't part of a defensive alliance or has other security measures in place, or until it physically cannot do so anymore.
This is why sending additional diplomats does nothing and why sending more ammunition and other hardware is the fastest way to peace. Russia understands no other language. The only reason why Russia is even "entertaining" the thought of peace talks is to look more reasonable in the eyes of the Western world, hoping that this will erode the support for Ukraine.
Disinformation bubble? I have given plenty of sources to back up my claims. be it morality rate, mass desertion, recruitment issues, the poll numbers. None of these are hidden secrets and have been reported even on mainstream media.
Even Ukraine is in negotiation for peace now, so is this all pointless to you then? If you think all thee diplomatic solution don't matter at all, then you are essentially saying the entire Russia to be taken down.
There's no way you think this is being seriously considered?
Even if Russia slows down for whatever reason, there's no way Ukraine can ever recapture seized lands, Russia has total defender advantages in those area by now.
Well unless the EU or a few European nations deploy troops, and with more foreign volunteers like yourself join the war effort.
There really can't be any peace deals IMO because neither side is going to compromise on their goals.
UKR wants:
Full sovereignty
Return to pre-2014 borders
Guarantees that Russia will not invade ever again
RU wants:
Ukraine to not exist as a country any more pretty much
If above can't be achieved it wants to make sure Ukraine is never able to field an army and defend itself again (so they can take it easier in the future)
Those goals are not really compatible.
The biggest problem for Russia is that they're running out of assets and at the rate they're going now they'll be able to capture Ukraine in about 100 years or so (and I don't think they have enough steam in the tank to go beyond 2025). The biggest problem for Ukraine is that they're willing to withstand this as long as is necessary but this hinges on Western support.
It isn't, but that's why negotiation is for. When you raised the stake higher and committed to it, the losing side will always be the one taking the biggest losses.
War is always slow until it isn't. Russia is still on the offensive, hence the heavier losses. As soon as they fortify seized territory, the losses will flip around and then we will see how attrition war plays out.
On March 10 2025 07:30 KwarK wrote: [quote] Russia requires that Ukraine surrender national sovereignty because they don’t believe that Ukraine can be allowed sovereignty. Ukraine believes that it has sovereignty and, like any free people, will never give it up willingly. There is no room for compromise, it’s not like they can be sovereign every other day.
The official demands are: 1. no NATO membership for Ukraine; 2. Ukraine’s recognition of Russia’s annexation of four Ukrainian provinces (even though Russia does not physically control all the territory of three of them); 3. Ukraine’s demilitarization and denazification (code for the installation of a pro-Russia puppet in Kyiv); and 4. the lifting of anti-Russia sanctions.
i don't think both sides are seeing this as end all be all for Ukraine. Or else we wouldn't have a peace talk that almost went through in 2022.
So in your world Russia wants Ukraine disarmed and restrained because it doesn’t want to assault it? Kinda like how Hitler wanted Czechoslovakia to cede their defensive lines in the Sudetenland because of how much he wasn’t planning to invade.
These are literally Russia's demands for the peace deal. I have only added a remark that BOTH sides don't see it as end all be all, which is how you see it. Especially the "no room to comprises", which is just silly when they were already thinking about exchanging territory and Ukraine would have to pick which land to exchange and which land they would have to forego
Russia would never accept the current lines to be frozen, they want a lot more to even consider peace, this is already an unacceptable position to start negotiating from
Ukraine asked for return for Crimea as well, that's never going to happen. There's more effort to escalate than negotiation last year, and now the deal has to be made in the worst position. The only bargaining chip Ukraine has left is the Russian's frozen assets. (that is still pending legal matters)
I know that you are a bit stuck in a disinformation bubble, but the biggest bargaining chip is that Ukraine can hold out for longer than Russia can keep up their invasion, barring the USA officially taking sides and supporting Russia itself.
Russia cannot accept any kind of peacekeepers in or security guaranteed for Ukraine because any peace deal or ceasefire is just a break for them to gather and replenish their forces, and then go again later. If a peace deal means that they cannot go again later, it is not a viable peace deal for them. Russia will continue their invasion(s) against anyone who isn't part of a defensive alliance or has other security measures in place, or until it physically cannot do so anymore.
This is why sending additional diplomats does nothing and why sending more ammunition and other hardware is the fastest way to peace. Russia understands no other language. The only reason why Russia is even "entertaining" the thought of peace talks is to look more reasonable in the eyes of the Western world, hoping that this will erode the support for Ukraine.
Disinformation bubble? I have given plenty of sources to back up my claims. be it morality rate, mass desertion, recruitment issues, the poll numbers. None of these are hidden secrets and have been reported even on mainstream media.
Even Ukraine is in negotiation for peace now, so is this all pointless to you then? If you think all thee diplomatic solution don't matter at all, then you are essentially saying the entire Russia to be taken down.
There's no way you think this is being seriously considered?
Even if Russia slows down for whatever reason, there's no way Ukraine can ever recapture seized lands, Russia has total defender advantages in those area by now.
Well unless the EU or a few European nations deploy troops, and with more foreign volunteers like yourself join the war effort.
There really can't be any peace deals IMO because neither side is going to compromise on their goals.
UKR wants:
Full sovereignty
Return to pre-2014 borders
Guarantees that Russia will not invade ever again
RU wants:
Ukraine to not exist as a country any more pretty much
If above can't be achieved it wants to make sure Ukraine is never able to field an army and defend itself again (so they can take it easier in the future)
Those goals are not really compatible.
The biggest problem for Russia is that they're running out of assets and at the rate they're going now they'll be able to capture Ukraine in about 100 years or so (and I don't think they have enough steam in the tank to go beyond 2025). The biggest problem for Ukraine is that they're willing to withstand this as long as is necessary but this hinges on Western support.
It isn't, but that's why negotiation is for. When you raised the stake higher and committed to it, the losing side will always be the one taking the biggest losses.
War is always slow until it isn't. Russia is still on the offensive, hence the heavier losses. As soon as they fortify seized territory, the losses will flip around and then we will see how attrition war plays out.
On March 10 2025 07:30 KwarK wrote: [quote] Russia requires that Ukraine surrender national sovereignty because they don’t believe that Ukraine can be allowed sovereignty. Ukraine believes that it has sovereignty and, like any free people, will never give it up willingly. There is no room for compromise, it’s not like they can be sovereign every other day.
The official demands are: 1. no NATO membership for Ukraine; 2. Ukraine’s recognition of Russia’s annexation of four Ukrainian provinces (even though Russia does not physically control all the territory of three of them); 3. Ukraine’s demilitarization and denazification (code for the installation of a pro-Russia puppet in Kyiv); and 4. the lifting of anti-Russia sanctions.
i don't think both sides are seeing this as end all be all for Ukraine. Or else we wouldn't have a peace talk that almost went through in 2022.
So in your world Russia wants Ukraine disarmed and restrained because it doesn’t want to assault it? Kinda like how Hitler wanted Czechoslovakia to cede their defensive lines in the Sudetenland because of how much he wasn’t planning to invade.
These are literally Russia's demands for the peace deal. I have only added a remark that BOTH sides don't see it as end all be all, which is how you see it. Especially the "no room to comprises", which is just silly when they were already thinking about exchanging territory and Ukraine would have to pick which land to exchange and which land they would have to forego
Russia would never accept the current lines to be frozen, they want a lot more to even consider peace, this is already an unacceptable position to start negotiating from
Ukraine asked for return for Crimea as well, that's never going to happen. There's more effort to escalate than negotiation last year, and now the deal has to be made in the worst position. The only bargaining chip Ukraine has left is the Russian's frozen assets. (that is still pending legal matters)
I know that you are a bit stuck in a disinformation bubble, but the biggest bargaining chip is that Ukraine can hold out for longer than Russia can keep up their invasion, barring the USA officially taking sides and supporting Russia itself.
Russia cannot accept any kind of peacekeepers in or security guaranteed for Ukraine because any peace deal or ceasefire is just a break for them to gather and replenish their forces, and then go again later. If a peace deal means that they cannot go again later, it is not a viable peace deal for them. Russia will continue their invasion(s) against anyone who isn't part of a defensive alliance or has other security measures in place, or until it physically cannot do so anymore.
This is why sending additional diplomats does nothing and why sending more ammunition and other hardware is the fastest way to peace. Russia understands no other language. The only reason why Russia is even "entertaining" the thought of peace talks is to look more reasonable in the eyes of the Western world, hoping that this will erode the support for Ukraine.
Disinformation bubble? I have given plenty of sources to back up my claims. be it morality rate, mass desertion, recruitment issues, the poll numbers. None of these are hidden secrets and have been reported even on mainstream media.
Even Ukraine is in negotiation for peace now, so is this all pointless to you then? If you think all thee diplomatic solution don't matter at all, then you are essentially saying the entire Russia to be taken down.
There's no way you think this is being seriously considered?
Even if Russia slows down for whatever reason, there's no way Ukraine can ever recapture seized lands, Russia has total defender advantages in those area by now.
Well unless the EU or a few European nations deploy troops, and with more foreign volunteers like yourself join the war effort.
There really can't be any peace deals IMO because neither side is going to compromise on their goals.
UKR wants:
Full sovereignty
Return to pre-2014 borders
Guarantees that Russia will not invade ever again
RU wants:
Ukraine to not exist as a country any more pretty much
If above can't be achieved it wants to make sure Ukraine is never able to field an army and defend itself again (so they can take it easier in the future)
Those goals are not really compatible.
The biggest problem for Russia is that they're running out of assets and at the rate they're going now they'll be able to capture Ukraine in about 100 years or so (and I don't think they have enough steam in the tank to go beyond 2025). The biggest problem for Ukraine is that they're willing to withstand this as long as is necessary but this hinges on Western support.
It isn't, but that's why negotiation is for. When you raised the stake higher and committed to it, the losing side will always be the one taking the biggest losses.
War is always slow until it isn't. Russia is still on the offensive, hence the heavier losses. As soon as they fortify seized territory, the losses will flip around and then we will see how attrition war plays out.
There are two big problems for Russias offensive.
1) their forces are too weak and tired for a breakthrough. They don't have enough tanks and IFVs and the average age or their soldiers is very high (50-60). They have trouble exploiting breakthroughs because of this unless all there is a complete collapse. 2) Russia is forcing a war off attrition by destroying the weak Ukrainian manpower. Ukraine is trying to tank the Russian economy. If you are not under attack you can hold a trench with 1 person. If the attacks stop Ukrainian manpower needs and losses both drop. Sure, Russian losses also get much better but logistics and backline targets will still be hit on both sides. But more importantly the war and its drain on the economy does not stop. Simply put, if not under assault Ukraine can just wait Russia out with EU money alone (as long as Trump doesn't drop sanctions).
On March 10 2025 03:40 KwarK wrote: [quote] Their negotiating positions are irreconcilable. No negotiations any time soon.
Russia not accepting peace keeping forces or Ukraine joining defensive alliances is the most critical point. The rest I think they could hammer out in a negotiation.
Russia requires that Ukraine surrender national sovereignty because they don’t believe that Ukraine can be allowed sovereignty. Ukraine believes that it has sovereignty and, like any free people, will never give it up willingly. There is no room for compromise, it’s not like they can be sovereign every other day.
The official demands are: 1. no NATO membership for Ukraine; 2. Ukraine’s recognition of Russia’s annexation of four Ukrainian provinces (even though Russia does not physically control all the territory of three of them); 3. Ukraine’s demilitarization and denazification (code for the installation of a pro-Russia puppet in Kyiv); and 4. the lifting of anti-Russia sanctions.
i don't think both sides are seeing this as end all be all for Ukraine. Or else we wouldn't have a peace talk that almost went through in 2022.
So in your world Russia wants Ukraine disarmed and restrained because it doesn’t want to assault it? Kinda like how Hitler wanted Czechoslovakia to cede their defensive lines in the Sudetenland because of how much he wasn’t planning to invade.
These are literally Russia's demands for the peace deal. I have only added a remark that BOTH sides don't see it as end all be all, which is how you see it. Especially the "no room to comprises", which is just silly when they were already thinking about exchanging territory and Ukraine would have to pick which land to exchange and which land they would have to forego
Russia would never accept the current lines to be frozen, they want a lot more to even consider peace, this is already an unacceptable position to start negotiating from
Ukraine asked for return for Crimea as well, that's never going to happen. There's more effort to escalate than negotiation last year, and now the deal has to be made in the worst position. The only bargaining chip Ukraine has left is the Russian's frozen assets. (that is still pending legal matters)
I know that you are a bit stuck in a disinformation bubble, but the biggest bargaining chip is that Ukraine can hold out for longer than Russia can keep up their invasion, barring the USA officially taking sides and supporting Russia itself.
Russia cannot accept any kind of peacekeepers in or security guaranteed for Ukraine because any peace deal or ceasefire is just a break for them to gather and replenish their forces, and then go again later. If a peace deal means that they cannot go again later, it is not a viable peace deal for them. Russia will continue their invasion(s) against anyone who isn't part of a defensive alliance or has other security measures in place, or until it physically cannot do so anymore.
This is why sending additional diplomats does nothing and why sending more ammunition and other hardware is the fastest way to peace. Russia understands no other language. The only reason why Russia is even "entertaining" the thought of peace talks is to look more reasonable in the eyes of the Western world, hoping that this will erode the support for Ukraine.
Even Ukraine is in negotiation for peace now, so is this all pointless to you then? If you think all thee diplomatic solution don't matter at all, then you are essentially saying the entire Russia to be taken down.
Of course they are. They don't want to be seen as the assholes who don't want peace! I don't see an actual peace deal made any time soon. Earliest in winter when it gets cold again and the conflict would be frozen anyway. Lets see what happens until then
First reports and images comming in of Russian units entering central Sudza. Remains to be seen how far into Ukraine the rout will go but for certain the pipe operation will go down as one of the great military operations in human history.
Its difficult to comprehend in our modern times that we, as a species, are decendants of those that pulled off the heroic and epic feats from Gilgamesh and the Iliad through the chivalry of the middle ages and both World Wars. Yet here we are, the Trojan Horse in real life and on camera. Eight hundred men traversing for four days through 16km of a pipeline 1.4m in diameter caused the collapse of the Sudza pocket in days.
Watching the footage and the post interviews maybe Achilles and Odysseus are not so far removed from us after all. The human spirit is an incredible thing.
edit: here is a video with a good general insight into the pipe operation:
The Kursk salient has been compressing for months and in recent weeks the road in has been under Russian fire control. Ukraine has been steadily pulling back.
On March 11 2025 21:10 zeo wrote: First reports and images comming in of Russian units entering central Sudza. Remains to be seen how far into Ukraine the rout will go but for certain the pipe operation will go down as one of the great military operations in human history.
Its difficult to comprehend in our modern times that we, as a species, are decendants of those that pulled off the heroic and epic feats from Gilgamesh and the Iliad through the chivalry of the middle ages and both World Wars. Yet here we are, the Trojan Horse in real life and on camera. Eight hundred men traversing for four days through 16km of a pipeline 1.4m in diameter caused the collapse of the Sudza pocket in days.
Watching the footage and the post interviews maybe Achilles and Odysseus are not so far removed from us after all. The human spirit is an incredible thing.
On March 11 2025 21:10 zeo wrote: First reports and images comming in of Russian units entering central Sudza. Remains to be seen how far into Ukraine the rout will go but for certain the pipe operation will go down as one of the great military operations in human history.
Its difficult to comprehend in our modern times that we, as a species, are decendants of those that pulled off the heroic and epic feats from Gilgamesh and the Iliad through the chivalry of the middle ages and both World Wars. Yet here we are, the Trojan Horse in real life and on camera. Eight hundred men traversing for four days through 16km of a pipeline 1.4m in diameter caused the collapse of the Sudza pocket in days.
Watching the footage and the post interviews maybe Achilles and Odysseus are not so far removed from us after all. The human spirit is an incredible thing.
I hope all those Russians get turned into paste. Wastes of life.
Remember that homophobic Russia call their heros Gay-Roy :D, probably easier to sacrifice them that way.
Zeo sounded totally unhinged on this one, like he was masturbating while writing that post. I hope I get warned for my post or banned, my brain can't take it anymore.
On March 11 2025 21:10 zeo wrote: First reports and images comming in of Russian units entering central Sudza. Remains to be seen how far into Ukraine the rout will go but for certain the pipe operation will go down as one of the great military operations in human history.
Its difficult to comprehend in our modern times that we, as a species, are decendants of those that pulled off the heroic and epic feats from Gilgamesh and the Iliad through the chivalry of the middle ages and both World Wars. Yet here we are, the Trojan Horse in real life and on camera. Eight hundred men traversing for four days through 16km of a pipeline 1.4m in diameter caused the collapse of the Sudza pocket in days.
Watching the footage and the post interviews maybe Achilles and Odysseus are not so far removed from us after all. The human spirit is an incredible thing.
On March 11 2025 21:10 zeo wrote: First reports and images comming in of Russian units entering central Sudza. Remains to be seen how far into Ukraine the rout will go but for certain the pipe operation will go down as one of the great military operations in human history.
Its difficult to comprehend in our modern times that we, as a species, are decendants of those that pulled off the heroic and epic feats from Gilgamesh and the Iliad through the chivalry of the middle ages and both World Wars. Yet here we are, the Trojan Horse in real life and on camera. Eight hundred men traversing for four days through 16km of a pipeline 1.4m in diameter caused the collapse of the Sudza pocket in days.
Watching the footage and the post interviews maybe Achilles and Odysseus are not so far removed from us after all. The human spirit is an incredible thing.
I hope all those Russians get turned into paste. Wastes of life.
Remember that homophobic Russia call their heros Gay-Roy :D, probably easier to sacrifice them that way.
Zeo sounded totally unhinged on this one, like he was masturbating while writing that post. I hope I get warned for my post or banned, my brain can't take it anymore.
And to think its only going to get worse for you as the hugbox walls start closing in. lol
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