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KT_Elwood
Germany1200 Posts
You'll get a 1:1 talk over dinner at Mar-a-Lago - hospitality fees and room not included. He is not hiding corruption. | ||
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Vivax
22415 Posts
On March 12 2025 23:47 KT_Elwood wrote: You can buy access to trump for 5 Million dollars donation to "Maga Inc." PAC. You'll get a 1:1 talk over dinner at Mar-a-Lago - hospitality fees and room not included. He is not hiding corruption. Corruption among a certain ‚tier‘ of people is not uncommon at all. No matter where. You can easily blackmail governments into looking away in countries where you own a lot of critical businesses. I don‘t want to say that Trump isn‘t doing it, but he certainly is one of many among what could be a systemic issue. Re: Capitalism | ||
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pmp10
3400 Posts
On March 12 2025 16:23 maybenexttime wrote: What are you even on about. Ukraine doesn't target cities to kill civilians. There are valid military targets in Moscow and the surrounding areas. I'm saying that Ukraine can't destroy anything worthwhile around Moscow with their drones. Targets there will be not only defended but also reinforced. Hence why this raid is a political move rather than a military one. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27462 Posts
On March 12 2025 23:58 Vivax wrote: Corruption among a certain ‚tier‘ of people is not uncommon at all. No matter where. You can easily blackmail governments into looking away in countries where you own a lot of critical businesses. I don‘t want to say that Trump isn‘t doing it, but he certainly is one of many among what could be a systemic issue. Re: Capitalism The difference between Trump and others who benefit from the structural flaws innate to the intersection of liberal democracies and capitalism, is he doesn’t even pretend. Nor do his supporters (who moan incessantly about it elsewhere), remotely care. There’s corruption, and there’s like a 50 date stadium rock tour level of corruption. It’s kinda like when people take the line ‘there is no ethical consumption under capitalism’ and come to the conclusion, ‘ok I won’t even bother to consider ethics then’, which isn’t really the point, at all. One can’t hope to deal with the grey, or ‘legitimate’ corruption enabled by such systems if you can’t even deal with the guy waving sparklers while wearing a big sign going ‘I am doing the corruption, what you going to do cucks?’ Although yes, you are correct, and I agree as an anti-capitalist in personal politics. However I do somewhat assess the world through how it’s currently structured. Even within that lens, the man’s aggrandisement is beyond the fucking pale, it’s ridiculous. | ||
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Vivax
22415 Posts
On March 13 2025 00:15 WombaT wrote: The difference between Trump and others who benefit from the structural flaws innate to the intersection of liberal democracies and capitalism, is he doesn’t even pretend. Nor do his supporters (who moan incessantly about it elsewhere), remotely care. There’s corruption, and there’s like a 50 date stadium rock tour level of corruption. It’s kinda like when people take the line ‘there is no ethical consumption under capitalism’ and come to the conclusion, ‘ok I won’t even bother to consider ethics then’, which isn’t really the point, at all. One can’t hope to deal with the grey, or ‘legitimate’ corruption enabled by such systems if you can’t even deal with the guy waving sparklers while wearing a big sign going ‘I am doing the corruption, what you going to do cucks?’ Although yes, you are correct, and I agree as an anti-capitalist in personal politics. However I do somewhat assess the world through how it’s currently structured. Even within that lens, the man’s aggrandisement is beyond the fucking pale, it’s ridiculous. Still. It‘s not the US invading a country here. At least not at the moment. Apparently they‘ve decided that Russia is the blueprint for how they should become in order to be able to compete. The US also created an upper class that is able to operate outside of the law if it somehow serves the country. At least that‘s how I‘m reading it. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27462 Posts
On March 13 2025 01:32 Vivax wrote: Still. It‘s not the US invading a country here. At least not at the moment. Apparently they‘ve decided that Russia is the blueprint for how they should become in order to be able to compete. The US also created an upper class that is able to operate outside of the law if it somehow serves the country. At least that‘s how I‘m reading it. Aye fair, I’d initially responded thinking this was in USPol | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5872 Posts
On March 13 2025 00:03 pmp10 wrote: I'm saying that Ukraine can't destroy anything worthwhile around Moscow with their drones. Targets there will be not only defended but also reinforced. Hence why this raid is a political move rather than a military one. How exactly do you "reinforce" oil refineries and such? Ukraine has previously hit numerous other supposedly protected targets, such as various bases in Crimea, the Engels airbase stationing strategic bombers, or numerous refineries. | ||
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ETisME
12889 Posts
On March 12 2025 23:58 Vivax wrote: Corruption among a certain ‚tier‘ of people is not uncommon at all. No matter where. You can easily blackmail governments into looking away in countries where you own a lot of critical businesses. I don‘t want to say that Trump isn‘t doing it, but he certainly is one of many among what could be a systemic issue. Re: Capitalism it's a matter and the nature of power and wealth. Thousands of years in recorded history across all culture, same story. The battle is always individual vs the powerful, be it companies or the government. Not sure why some always come to conclusion this is the fault of capitalism, it's like walking into a wall and thinking the floor is the problem | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1200 Posts
De-Regulation and money hoarding isn't necessarily a part of capitalism. Wealth for all was built from regulation and from taxation. Wealth inequality in the US is reaching european aristocracy levels again, capitalism is nothing more but a face worn by a wealth-aristocracy that wants to project any regulation and taxation of their wealth as "Communism" and "affecting the little businessowner". We either need inflation of multiple ten thousand percent, so that it's "normal" for persons owning hundreds of thousands of millions of dollars again, or you need to implement significant wealth tax above 100,200,1000 million dollars. If the wealth is held in stock shares, it's super easy, sell them and pay taxes. | ||
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Vivax
22415 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On March 13 2025 08:12 ETisME wrote: it's a matter and the nature of power and wealth. Thousands of years in recorded history across all culture, same story. The battle is always individual vs the powerful, be it companies or the government. Not sure why some always come to conclusion this is the fault of capitalism, it's like walking into a wall and thinking the floor is the problem Sure. Calling it unregulated would be more accurate. If you regulate it and other participants do, it can even be sustainable. But it‘s still same old stupid. It‘s turbocapitalism that‘s wrecking every balance left and right and itself too. I don‘t have to fight companies, I need to make sure they can be trusted. It‘s a bit of an issue when they begin merging with foreign governments who operate on ideology. A purely capitalistic company is more trustworthy than one that is pushing a government agenda. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5872 Posts
Totally not a Russian asset. ;-) | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22646 Posts
On March 26 2025 05:14 maybenexttime wrote: To play devils advocate. He doesn't need to be an assets to repeat Russian propaganda. He could just be neck deep in said Russian propaganda which is everywhere on twitter.https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1ji0hux/trump_is_repeating_kremlin_propaganda_talking/ Totally not a Russian asset. ;-) | ||
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Yurie
12175 Posts
On March 26 2025 05:19 Gorsameth wrote: To play devils advocate. He doesn't need to be an assets to repeat Russian propaganda. He could just be neck deep in said Russian propaganda which is everywhere on twitter. Also seen some people say he is a narcissist that is looking for external validation from people he respects. Them respecting him back is how he sees himself as successful. Putin and similar people being the ones his specific condition needs validation from. So he isn't an asset. He is just a borderline functional narcissist that people somehow elected. If true, it is also how to manage him for the people nearby. Play on his need to be respected since he has very little internal steering. It is also a worrying trend since it opens the door for people with worse conditions (such as Putin) to get elected. | ||
KwarK
United States44361 Posts
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Falling
Canada11607 Posts
It's possible it's just because Trump watches Tucker Carlson or something because that guy is spewing pure Russian propaganda these days as far as how the war got started and that Euromaidan was actually a CIA coup, etc. I was reading a report that noted that Russian propaganda has been framing themselves as 'alternative media' for awhile now. I can very much see people falling down the rabbit hole of becoming disillusioned with mainstream media, then finding various alternative narratives in the alternative media spaces before eventually stumbling into the 'seeding' phase of Russia's disinformation warfare. And then some of the alt media was taking Russian money... It's a wild west out there and Russia has been capitalizing. | ||
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0x64
Finland4647 Posts
Both miss the cold war and having too answer to no one on that reason. So while the Kremlin speech comes out of trump's mouth. I believe it's far from there result of Russian manipulation but more of a case of a Zeo brain. Great minds think alike... | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On March 26 2025 05:19 Gorsameth wrote: To play devils advocate. He doesn't need to be an assets to repeat Russian propaganda. He could just be neck deep in said Russian propaganda which is everywhere on twitter. Its not propaganda if its true *shrugs* | ||
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Luolis
Finland7196 Posts
Trusting Donald Trump to speak the truth? That might be the biggest cope you've ever said here (and thats saying a lot). | ||
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Falling
Canada11607 Posts
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” | ||
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Billyboy
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