Russo-Ukrainian War Thread

Russo-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 793

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WombaT

Northern Ireland23942 Posts

13 hours ago

#15841

I’m not especially a fan of rooting for deaths in most instances, but hey I can get it coming from a place of fury.

Zeo seems to take an almost happy gleefulness in his cheerleading that is fucking gross.

hexhaven

Finland918 Posts

12 hours ago

#15842

You can tell how the FSB funding cycles work pretty well by now.

maybenexttime

Poland5453 Posts

11 hours ago

#15843

On March 12 2025 01:19 pmp10 wrote:
Apparently Ukraine has hit Moscow with a massive drone raid.
Their strategic gain is nil so it's almost certainly a sign of defiance to Trump.
Still a big waste of war material.

And you say that based on what?

ZeroByte13

745 Posts

8 hours ago

#15844

On March 11 2025 23:11 0x64 wrote:
Remember that homophobic Russia call their heros Gay-Roy :D, probably easier to sacrifice them that way.

I understand it's just an attempt at humor but
1. It's not pronounced this way, it's distinctly different
2. Ukranians use the exactly same word for "hero"

Picking on language isn't very efficient in this situation in general, as Russian and Ukranian languages share a lot of words / lexemes, just like in this particular case.

And as far as I know, unfortunately most post-USSR countries have somewhat similar levels of homophobia - though of course it has been amplified a lot in Russia since 2022. But before 2022 - I would guess Ukraine had similar level homophobia to Russia, maybe a bit less.

Though I guess "how it used to be" doesn't matter nearly as much as "how it will be in future", and this is where Russia has a grim outlook in that regard.

ETisME

12305 Posts

13 minutes ago

#15845

On March 11 2025 17:19 Harris1st wrote:

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On March 10 2025 22:53 ETisME wrote:

On March 10 2025 22:03 Nezgar wrote:

On March 10 2025 20:37 ETisME wrote:

On March 10 2025 18:03 sertas wrote:

On March 10 2025 11:13 ETisME wrote:

On March 10 2025 10:01 KwarK wrote:

On March 10 2025 09:03 ETisME wrote:

On March 10 2025 07:30 KwarK wrote:

On March 10 2025 05:03 Yurie wrote:
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Russia not accepting peace keeping forces or Ukraine joining defensive alliances is the most critical point. The rest I think they could hammer out in a negotiation.

Russia requires that Ukraine surrender national sovereignty because they don’t believe that Ukraine can be allowed sovereignty. Ukraine believes that it has sovereignty and, like any free people, will never give it up willingly. There is no room for compromise, it’s not like they can be sovereign every other day.

The official demands are:
1. no NATO membership for Ukraine;
2. Ukraine’s recognition of Russia’s annexation of four Ukrainian provinces (even though Russia does not physically control all the territory of three of them);
3. Ukraine’s demilitarization and denazification (code for the installation of a pro-Russia puppet in Kyiv); and
4. the lifting of anti-Russia sanctions.

i don't think both sides are seeing this as end all be all for Ukraine. Or else we wouldn't have a peace talk that almost went through in 2022.

So in your world Russia wants Ukraine disarmed and restrained because it doesn’t want to assault it? Kinda like how Hitler wanted Czechoslovakia to cede their defensive lines in the Sudetenland because of how much he wasn’t planning to invade.

These are literally Russia's demands for the peace deal.
I have only added a remark that BOTH sides don't see it as end all be all, which is how you see it.
Especially the "no room to comprises", which is just silly when they were already thinking about exchanging territory and Ukraine would have to pick which land to exchange and which land they would have to forego

Russia would never accept the current lines to be frozen, they want a lot more to even consider peace, this is already an unacceptable position to start negotiating from

Ukraine asked for return for Crimea as well, that's never going to happen.
There's more effort to escalate than negotiation last year, and now the deal has to be made in the worst position.
The only bargaining chip Ukraine has left is the Russian's frozen assets. (that is still pending legal matters)

I know that you are a bit stuck in a disinformation bubble, but the biggest bargaining chip is that Ukraine can hold out for longer than Russia can keep up their invasion, barring the USA officially taking sides and supporting Russia itself.

Russia cannot accept any kind of peacekeepers in or security guaranteed for Ukraine because any peace deal or ceasefire is just a break for them to gather and replenish their forces, and then go again later. If a peace deal means that they cannot go again later, it is not a viable peace deal for them.
Russia will continue their invasion(s) against anyone who isn't part of a defensive alliance or has other security measures in place, or until it physically cannot do so anymore.

This is why sending additional diplomats does nothing and why sending more ammunition and other hardware is the fastest way to peace. Russia understands no other language. The only reason why Russia is even "entertaining" the thought of peace talks is to look more reasonable in the eyes of the Western world, hoping that this will erode the support for Ukraine.

Even Ukraine is in negotiation for peace now, so is this all pointless to you then?
If you think all thee diplomatic solution don't matter at all, then you are essentially saying the entire Russia to be taken down.

Of course they are. They don't want to be seen as the assholes who don't want peace!
I don't see an actual peace deal made any time soon. Earliest in winter when it gets cold again and the conflict would be frozen anyway. Lets see what happens until then

Ukraine and the US reached a ceasefire under the condition Russia agrees, but Viktor Sobolev from Russia has refused it, saying Ukraine would just spend the time to regroup and rearm up.
I guess we are about to see whether the pro Ukraine crowd is right or Russia will just finish Ukraine off in a couple of months.

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