EPTNew version of the minerals deal. About as bad as the previous ones. I hope Ukraine tells the US to fuck off.
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maybenexttime
Poland5656 Posts
New version of the minerals deal. About as bad as the previous ones. I hope Ukraine tells the US to fuck off. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21952 Posts
On March 28 2025 07:53 maybenexttime wrote: The previous deal didn't actually do anything, if this one is similarly empty paper then Ukraine loses nothing by signing it and helping Trump feel good about himself.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/03/27/revealed-trump-plan-force-ukraine-restore-putin-gas-empire/ New version of the minerals deal. About as bad as the previous ones. I hope Ukraine tells the US to fuck off. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5656 Posts
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9517 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26028 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21952 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23464 Posts
On March 29 2025 02:54 Gorsameth wrote: ok yeah that one is completely insane and will never be accepted. "be our slave for perpetuity and we still won't protect you". I haven't been following this closely, are we sending Ukraine to a US prison? | ||
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Yurie
11929 Posts
On March 29 2025 03:24 GreenHorizons wrote: I haven't been following this closely, are we sending Ukraine to a US prison? You are trying to. It seems to not be working thus far since you aren't willing to get a swat team to take them into custody. Strangely the "criminal" isn't walking up to the prison. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16097 Posts
On March 28 2025 18:52 Gorsameth wrote: The previous deal didn't actually do anything, if this one is similarly empty paper then Ukraine loses nothing by signing it and helping Trump feel good about himself. The next time a Democrat is in office, the mineral deal will be cancelled anyway. Zelenskey has to know this. The biggest reason to not do it is because it gives Donald Trump a short term political win. That's good enough reason for most, but not for Zelenskey. He's trying to win a war, not cater to American and European political interests. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9136 Posts
On March 29 2025 08:49 Vindicare605 wrote: The next time a Democrat is in office, the mineral deal will be cancelled anyway. Zelenskey has to know this. The biggest reason to not do it is because it gives Donald Trump a short term political win. That's good enough reason for most, but not for Zelenskey. He's trying to win a war, not cater to American and European political interests. That's assuming you're gonna have free elections. The current admin isn't acting like a group concerned about votes or public perception. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16097 Posts
On March 29 2025 09:00 Dan HH wrote: That's assuming you're gonna have free elections. The current admin isn't acting like a group concerned about votes or public perception. Well that's another issue entirely. One that Zelenskeyy can't really do anything about either way. That's also few years from now and he needs help now, and this is the dance Trump is making him dance to get that help. But if Trump does cross that line, that's bad news for Ukraine and everyone else in the world for that matter and it won't matter what kind of deal he makes at that point. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6250 Posts
On March 29 2025 08:49 Vindicare605 wrote: The next time a Democrat is in office, the mineral deal will be cancelled anyway. Zelenskey has to know this. The biggest reason to not do it is because it gives Donald Trump a short term political win. That's good enough reason for most, but not for Zelenskey. He's trying to win a war, not cater to American and European political interests. Will it? Many of the policies from Trump's first term were never (fully) rolled back by Biden. The US has become increasingly unreliable. Zelensky has to make policy on the basis that the deal sticks. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14047 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5656 Posts
On March 30 2025 22:28 Sermokala wrote: Does anyone know for sure what exactly are the minerals that they're negotaiting for are, or if they're worth mineing? I read a story that its based off of USSR serveys in the 60's and the ecology is pretty different to other regions where it would take a long time to get the chemistry up to the level of other deposits. All minerals, as well as gas and oil, plus control over all related infrastructure and priority when it comes to any profits. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8159 Posts
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20le8jn282o "Kyiv estimates that about 5% of the world's "critical raw materials" are in Ukraine. This includes some 19m tonnes of proven reserves of graphite, which the Ukrainian Geological Survey state agency says makes the nation "one of the top five leading countries" for the supply of the mineral. Graphite is used to make batteries for electric vehicles. Ukraine has 7% of Europe's supplies of titanium, a lightweight metal used in the construction of everything from aeroplanes to power stations. It is also home to a third of all European lithium deposits, the key component in current batteries. Other elements found in Ukraine include beryllium and uranium, which are both crucial for nuclear weapons and reactors. Deposits of copper, lead, zinc, silver, nickel, cobalt and manganese are also significant. Further, Ukraine has significant deposits of rare earth metals. These are a group of 17 elements that are used to produce weapons, wind turbines, electronics and other products vital in the modern world." | ||
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Sermokala
United States14047 Posts
Its like how they just found new helium deposits in Minnesota and white hydrogen in the Alsace region of France. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6994 Posts
On March 31 2025 10:28 Sermokala wrote: Yeah but who has done those surveys and when? The only sources I have for those claims are from soviet union mapping and before any recent science was developed. Most modern foundry process's relies on site specific chemistry that has been refined for years and years. Some sources I have found say that the surveys might have been from the 60's to 80's at the latest. Do we have any sources for the numbers everyone is throwing around and the types of minerals that may or may not be there? Its like how they just found new helium deposits in Minnesota and white hydrogen in the Alsace region of France. If you don't pay shit for it, it doesn't matter what is actually found. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8159 Posts
On April 06 2025 05:07 Mohdoo wrote: So with this big shift with Europe doing their best to distance themselves from American military purchases by buying European military assets, I’m curious if anyone knows of how European stuff compares to an F35 or Russian aircraft. I’m not sure if any actual information exists or if it’s basically just each side’s propaganda. Anyone know? Realistically, propaganda aside, F35 is currently the only fifth gen fighter in the world. China and Russia claims to have them, but from the little information we've gleamed it doesn't really paint the picture the propaganda is claiming. But at the end of the day, they can claim whatever they can't, and we can't really refute it. The definition is vague to begin with. It's not like stealth and battlespace communication is a binary "yes or no" feature. You can have a "slightly stealthy aircraft that talks with other jets in close proximity" and pretend it's fifth gen. But realistically, it doesn't stack up. Europe has no fifth gen fighter, but Sweden is developing one. So does Turkey but.. barely an ally to begin with there, so wouldn't rely on that. Both Sweden and Turkey uses American engines as well. If we look outside of Europe, Japan is also developing their own, but who knows if anything is ever going to come out of these prototypes. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
On April 06 2025 05:25 Excludos wrote: Realistically, propaganda aside, F35 is currently the only fifth gen fighter in the world. China and Russia claims to have them, but from the little information we've gleamed it doesn't really paint the picture the propaganda is claiming. But at the end of the day, they can claim whatever they can't, and we can't really refute it. The definition is vague to begin with. It's not like stealth and battlespace communication is a binary "yes or no" feature. You can have a "slightly stealthy aircraft that talks with other jets in close proximity" and pretend it's fifth gen. But realistically, it doesn't stack up. Europe has no fifth gen fighter, but Sweden is developing one. So does Turkey but.. barely an ally to begin with there, so wouldn't rely on that. Both Sweden and Turkey uses American engines as well. If we look outside of Europe, Japan is also developing their own, but who knows if anything is ever going to come out of these prototypes. I thought France was the assumed other option? It sounded like countries were considering purchasing fighter jets from France rather than the US F35? | ||
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