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{CC}StealthBlue
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maybenexttime
Poland5914 Posts
On February 13 2023 08:02 Manit0u wrote: He said 8 million crossed the border with a few million staying. I haven't kept up with the numbers for a while. Apparently, it's been 9 million as of Jan 2023, although only about 1.5 million have stayed in Poland. I thought his statement was rather exaggerated, but it turns out that it's wasn't nearly as bad. Only the part about millions staying is somewhat incorrect. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17872 Posts
On February 14 2023 01:23 maybenexttime wrote: I haven't kept up with the numbers for a while. Apparently, it's been 9 million as of Jan 2023, although only about 1.5 million have stayed in Poland. I thought his statement was rather exaggerated, but it turns out that it's wasn't nearly as bad. Only the part about millions staying is somewhat incorrect. I don't really expect a member of the military to be super up to date on refugee situation and demographics. I'm not sure many people can speak about specifics in this matter considering how chaotic the situation has been in the beginning and I doubt there's a lot of updated info with so many people moving about from city to city or to other countries. 1.5 million might be somewhat accurate for Ukrainians who managed to find some semblence of more permanent shelter, a job etc. Even I can tell there's a lot of them in Poland now as I see them everywhere. I've also had my friend's son over for the weekend and he says that at universities in the capital there's a significant percentage of Ukrainians in almost every class. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6326 Posts
On February 14 2023 02:35 plasmidghost wrote: Completely personal anecdote but I'm starting Dutch NT2 classes in my city (Leuven) and over half of the class is Ukrainian Good luck they can be pretty tough. NT2 classes are usually full of refugees so not too surprising. When my girlfriend did it in the Netherlands it was mostly Syrians and Afghans. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5914 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10990 Posts
These classes are usually pretty small and used to decide which "normal" classes the children should attend once they have gotten some language proficiency. Are they doing similar stuff in your countries? | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17872 Posts
On February 14 2023 15:06 Velr wrote: In Switzerland they try to separate Ukrainian refugees from other refugees in the early integration/language classes, probably to appease right wing folks. All the teachers i know hate the idea and assured me it's not done due to former education or language level. It's mostly done to grant the illusion that these refugees will return home soon, which we know won't happen, the balkan wars thought us that. These classes are usually pretty small and used to decide which "normal" classes the children should attend once they have gotten some language proficiency. Are they doing similar stuff in your countries? That's kinda weird. I know that Swiss people can be a bit xenophobic/isolationist but they're also usually very conscious politically. Ukrainian refugees are one of the best things that could happen to most European countries actually, since most of them are highly developed countries and have bad demographic curve (too many old people, not enough young ones, bad for economy). Compared to refugees from further away Ukrainians are much easier to integrate into western society since they mostly share the same values and are actually eager to be a part of it. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17872 Posts
This is crazy... Also, some leaked calls state that average life expectancy at the front for Russians is about 4h. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4769 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany7459 Posts
On February 14 2023 18:47 Manit0u wrote: That's kinda weird. I know that Swiss people can be a bit xenophobic/isolationist but they're also usually very conscious politically. Ukrainian refugees are one of the best things that could happen to most European countries actually, since most of them are highly developed countries and have bad demographic curve (too many old people, not enough young ones, bad for economy). Compared to refugees from further away Ukrainians are much easier to integrate into western society since they mostly share the same values and are actually eager to be a part of it. Since they don't do anything for UA, at least they could help some refugees... FFS come on Switzerland | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17872 Posts
On February 14 2023 21:25 Harris1st wrote: Since they don't do anything for UA, at least they could help some refugees... FFS come on Switzerland I mean, I fully understand their strong desire to preserve national identity and such and I can respect that but looking down on refugees when they're actually great for country's economy and future just doesn't seem very smart. Especially when you consider that, like I mentioned, Ukrainians are one of the best kinds of immigrants/refugees you'd like in Europe and to top it off most that made it to the west are those who were well off and educated in the first place. So it's not like your country is suddenly flooded with uneducated and unskilled masses that you'll have a hard time finding a place for. Those are the kinds of refugees that drive Mercedes. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
BERLIN (AP) — Germany has signed a deal for new ammunition for self-propelled anti-aircraft guns it provided to Ukraine to be produced at home after it ran into difficulties securing supplies from elsewhere, the defense minister said Tuesday. Germany has supplied 32 of the Gepard anti-aircraft guns since it first agreed to send them to Ukraine in late April, and has pledged 37 in total. The German military hasn’t used them since 2012, so they came from stocks held in reserve by the defense industry. Securing more ammunition for the guns has been a challenge, a matter of mounting concern as defense against repeated barrages of Russian missile and drone strikes has become a top priority for Kyiv. Germany so far has been unsuccessful in months of efforts to persuade neutral Switzerland to approve exports to Ukraine of stockpiles in the Alpine country of Gepard ammunition, which was manufactured there by a subsidiary of German defense company Rheinmetall. There are also stocks of the ammunition in Brazil, but President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva made clear when German Chancellor Olaf Scholz visited last month that his country wants no involvement of any kind in the war in Ukraine and wouldn’t provide Germany with any. Defense Minister Boris Pistorius said as he arrived at a meeting with counterparts from other allies of Ukraine in Brussels on Tuesday that contracts have now been signed to produce new ammunition in Germany. “That means we will now start our own production of Gepard ammunition at Rheinmetall without delay,” Pistorius told reporters. “I am very happy that this succeeded because it better secures our independence and faster delivery.” The minister said that “the negotiations with Switzerland took time, and in the end we were of the opinion that it is better to go our own way faster so as not to be dependent on them.” Source edit: ..... | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10990 Posts
On February 14 2023 21:25 Harris1st wrote: Since they don't do anything for UA, at least they could help some refugees... FFS come on Switzerland I think you missunderstood. No refugees are sent back as long as the conflict is going on. I somewhat hope the policy was inacted at a point were there was hope that this was a quick conflict, because it makes 0 sense. If anything people, among them other refugees, here argue that ukrainians are treated better than others. The no help thing is also just plain untrue. There are no weapons, plenty of other help. | ||
KwarK
United States44450 Posts
On February 14 2023 21:17 Silvanel wrote: This indeed looks crazy, if this footage is true than I dont know what to think... Even most stubborn and reckless people should understand what a minefield is... Mines aren’t killing the crew, just the tank. If they get nearer the UAF they’ll eat a javelin and get burned alive. Mines are a great way to keep your tank from putting you in danger. As long as you’re not a true believer in the cause it makes perfect sense to lose your tank and tell command you tried your best. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
On February 15 2023 00:34 KwarK wrote: Mines aren’t killing the crew, just the tank. If they get nearer the UAF they’ll eat a javelin and get burned alive. Mines are a great way to keep your tank from putting you in danger. As long as you’re not a true believer in the cause it makes perfect sense to lose your tank and tell command you tried your best. It's probably still going to injure the driver, and now that all the tanks are disabled, it's a pretty good target for a drone to go out and permanently kill half a dozen vehicles. Russia has a ton of armor, but that is a hugely wasteful way to use it. | ||
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KwarK
United States44450 Posts
On February 15 2023 01:37 Lmui wrote: It's probably still going to injure the driver, and now that all the tanks are disabled, it's a pretty good target for a drone to go out and permanently kill half a dozen vehicles. Russia has a ton of armor, but that is a hugely wasteful way to use it. Yeah, it’s not a good military tactic, just like shooting yourself in the foot isn’t a good military tactic. But when you have no confidence in commanders, don’t believe in the mission, and don’t feel like dying today you shoot yourself in the foot to get out of going over the top. I’m saying this is the tank equivalent of that. You don’t care about the loss of the tank, you just don’t want to be in it when it gets into javelin range. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8281 Posts
On February 15 2023 01:37 Lmui wrote: Russia has a ton of armor OT, but it's funny how bad this idiom is in this context. A ton of armor is only 1/42 of a T72 | ||
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