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NOTE: When providing a source, please provide a very brief summary on what it's about and what purpose it adds to the discussion. The supporting statement should clearly explain why the subject is relevant and needs to be discussed. Please follow this rule especially for tweets.

Your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
October 03 2022 12:38 GMT
#5221
On October 03 2022 20:46 Silvanel wrote:
Well. He is a guy famous for his predictions not coming true... so I don't know what exactly are You expecting.

Ah, so he's one of those guys. I had never heard of him before I saw that post lol
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4742 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-03 12:59:37
October 03 2022 12:59 GMT
#5222
You are kidding, right?
In case You are not, here is his Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Fukuyama#The_End_of_History_and_the_Last_Man
In 1992 he published a book in which he claimed that we are approaching an "End of History" meaning that soon liberal democracy will triumph all over the World and not much will every happen again: the ages of war, revolutions, struggle and major shifts in global order are coming to an end.
Obviously, it turned out to be a bunch of bollocks, but he became known all over the World.
Pathetic Greta hater.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43673 Posts
October 03 2022 13:06 GMT
#5223
On October 03 2022 17:15 r00ty wrote:
Is Russia investigating the Nordstream leaks? I mean it's their property as well.

Unfortunately most NATO vessels have stopped broadcasting their AIS, you can't see them on shipping radar sites anymore. German navy and coastguard vessels have disappeared, but they are there.
But not everybody stopped, you can see the Danes are investigating the southern leak and the Swedes the northern one since yesterday.

Why investigate? They knew the answer the moment it happened. The Biden story with him saying Nordstream wouldn’t be allowed was all over the usual places minutes after the leak.
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plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
October 03 2022 14:13 GMT
#5224
On October 03 2022 21:59 Silvanel wrote:
You are kidding, right?
In case You are not, here is his Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Fukuyama#The_End_of_History_and_the_Last_Man
In 1992 he published a book in which he claimed that we are approaching an "End of History" meaning that soon liberal democracy will triumph all over the World and not much will every happen again: the ages of war, revolutions, struggle and major shifts in global order are coming to an end.
Obviously, it turned out to be a bunch of bollocks, but he became known all over the World.

Good lord this guy's a fucking dumbass. I'm just going to remove that post
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-03 15:08:26
October 03 2022 15:02 GMT
#5225
So it appears the rumors that millions of Russian Winter Uniforms have disappeared is true. Via Google Translate.

A member of the State Duma Committee on Defense, Lieutenant General Andrei Gurulev, said that 1.5 million sets of military uniforms for the mobilized were missing from the points of reception of personnel. This is reported by the Telegram channel "Rise" .

As the deputy said, at the moment the Russian military has problems “with uniforms, then with something else.”

“It is still unclear to me where the 1.5 million sets that were stored at the points of reception of personnel have gone,” Gurulev said.

He noted that no one and nowhere can explain this problem.

According to a member of the State Duma Committee on Defense, the question of the loss of a military uniform should be asked to the dismissed Deputy Minister of Defense Dmitry Bulgakov .

“[Bulgakov] should not be sent to another job, but one should specifically ask where, where and why it happened that our mobilized do not receive uniforms,” Gurulev said.

Dmitry Bulgakov served as Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation from December 2, 2008 to September 24, 2022. He oversaw the logistics of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Colonel-General Mikhail Mizintsev took his place .

Earlier, Izvestia wrote that prices for a number of goods for mobilized and volunteers increased by 10-20%. According to Kommersant , the flow of visitors to military stores has also grown significantly - in some cases, stores with military equipment report a 40% increase in traffic.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11772 Posts
October 03 2022 15:20 GMT
#5226
"He noted that no one and nowhere can explain this problem."

I am pretty sure that i can explain it.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 03 2022 15:40 GMT
#5227
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Psychotikah
Profile Joined January 2015
Canada101 Posts
October 03 2022 15:56 GMT
#5228
On October 04 2022 00:02 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So it appears the rumors that millions of Russian Winter Uniforms have disappeared is true. Via Google Translate.

Show nested quote +
A member of the State Duma Committee on Defense, Lieutenant General Andrei Gurulev, said that 1.5 million sets of military uniforms for the mobilized were missing from the points of reception of personnel. This is reported by the Telegram channel "Rise" .

As the deputy said, at the moment the Russian military has problems “with uniforms, then with something else.”

“It is still unclear to me where the 1.5 million sets that were stored at the points of reception of personnel have gone,” Gurulev said.

He noted that no one and nowhere can explain this problem.

According to a member of the State Duma Committee on Defense, the question of the loss of a military uniform should be asked to the dismissed Deputy Minister of Defense Dmitry Bulgakov .

“[Bulgakov] should not be sent to another job, but one should specifically ask where, where and why it happened that our mobilized do not receive uniforms,” Gurulev said.

Dmitry Bulgakov served as Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation from December 2, 2008 to September 24, 2022. He oversaw the logistics of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Colonel-General Mikhail Mizintsev took his place .

Earlier, Izvestia wrote that prices for a number of goods for mobilized and volunteers increased by 10-20%. According to Kommersant , the flow of visitors to military stores has also grown significantly - in some cases, stores with military equipment report a 40% increase in traffic.


Source


This all sounds like a very grim repeat of the Fyre Festival...
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
October 03 2022 16:12 GMT
#5229
Manitou, Stealthblue, and others who post videos: Could you include one or two sentences of text? Some of us are not in a position to watch videos while we browse the thread. As simple as “so-and-so says such-and-such.” Cheers.
May the BeSt man win.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-03 16:31:37
October 03 2022 16:31 GMT
#5230
On October 04 2022 01:12 Djabanete wrote:
Manitou, Stealthblue, and others who post videos: Could you include one or two sentences of text? Some of us are not in a position to watch videos while we browse the thread. As simple as “so-and-so says such-and-such.” Cheers.


60 Minutes interviews Ukraine's first lady.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Ryzel
Profile Joined December 2012
United States545 Posts
October 03 2022 16:45 GMT
#5231
On October 04 2022 01:31 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2022 01:12 Djabanete wrote:
Manitou, Stealthblue, and others who post videos: Could you include one or two sentences of text? Some of us are not in a position to watch videos while we browse the thread. As simple as “so-and-so says such-and-such.” Cheers.


60 Minutes interviews Ukraine's first lady.


I think he means a sentence or two explaining why it’s relevant…
Hakuna Matata B*tches
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9530 Posts
October 03 2022 17:22 GMT
#5232
Yeah, all video (and other) sources should have a TLDR attached to them.
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
October 03 2022 18:14 GMT
#5233
You all have probably already heard the good news, but it's actually HUGE how much progress Ukraine has made today! Also, Russian troops are being encircled and trapped in Kherson, so there'll be even more of this in the near future.

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If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17692 Posts
October 03 2022 18:29 GMT
#5234
On October 04 2022 01:12 Djabanete wrote:
Manitou, Stealthblue, and others who post videos: Could you include one or two sentences of text? Some of us are not in a position to watch videos while we browse the thread. As simple as “so-and-so says such-and-such.” Cheers.


I have amended the post with some snippets. Is it better now?
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
October 03 2022 19:02 GMT
#5235
On October 04 2022 03:29 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2022 01:12 Djabanete wrote:
Manitou, Stealthblue, and others who post videos: Could you include one or two sentences of text? Some of us are not in a position to watch videos while we browse the thread. As simple as “so-and-so says such-and-such.” Cheers.


I have amended the post with some snippets. Is it better now?

Much appreciated, thanks! :-)
May the BeSt man win.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-03 19:30:44
October 03 2022 19:27 GMT
#5236
Ukrainian military photos showing that they are in Shevchenkivka of Kherson... giving credence that the entire Southern defense of Kherson seems to have collapsed. Also someone needs to tell Elon to stop tweeting.



Also Turkey is building ships for the Ukrainian, newly reformed obviously, Navy.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-03 20:00:57
October 03 2022 19:59 GMT
#5237


This seems pretty big and is a good reason why (I forgot who) was saying all the stuff about the pipeline might be all internally driven. So long as the dictator can keep the citizens under their spell, the work can continue. Focus on short term, make it to the next month. But now that isn't working. Need to fire up the country with stuff like the "US blowing up the pipeline".



Also, this is really interesting too because it highlights the same thing. Its all about messaging. The results don't matter for now. Just make sure there isn't widescale revolt. But I think its coming sooner than most of us have expected. After Ukraine takes a bunch of land, Lavrov is saying "We are doing really well and we are about to take over more land"???

???

?????????????
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12058 Posts
October 03 2022 20:08 GMT
#5238
On October 04 2022 04:59 Mohdoo wrote:
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1576842127572881408

This seems pretty big and is a good reason why (I forgot who) was saying all the stuff about the pipeline might be all internally driven. So long as the dictator can keep the citizens under their spell, the work can continue. Focus on short term, make it to the next month. But now that isn't working. Need to fire up the country with stuff like the "US blowing up the pipeline".

https://twitter.com/WhereisRussia/status/1576971245786398721

Also, this is really interesting too because it highlights the same thing. Its all about messaging. The results don't matter for now. Just make sure there isn't widescale revolt. But I think its coming sooner than most of us have expected. After Ukraine takes a bunch of land, Lavrov is saying "We are doing really well and we are about to take over more land"???

???

?????????????


If they want messaging like that to keep going they will need to implement more state censorship. Right now they are only doing it a lot instead of fully making a Russian Internet without connections to the outside.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9179 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-03 20:30:45
October 03 2022 20:29 GMT
#5239
On October 04 2022 04:59 Mohdoo wrote:
This seems pretty big and is a good reason why (I forgot who) was saying all the stuff about the pipeline might be all internally driven. So long as the dictator can keep the citizens under their spell, the work can continue. Focus on short term, make it to the next month. But now that isn't working. Need to fire up the country with stuff like the "US blowing up the pipeline".

I view these recent events more about dissuading a coup. A few weeks ago if Putin got thrown under the bus as the sole person responsible for the whole mess, the West would have been more than happy to work with that white lie if it meant a Russian retreat and and slowly resuming trade.

But now on top of a retreat, his would be successors would have to put their name on ceding official Russian territory and with destroyed gas export infrastracture, so getting rid of him is no longer as tempting of a way back to normal for Russia.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-03 21:15:07
October 03 2022 21:14 GMT
#5240
On October 04 2022 05:29 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2022 04:59 Mohdoo wrote:
This seems pretty big and is a good reason why (I forgot who) was saying all the stuff about the pipeline might be all internally driven. So long as the dictator can keep the citizens under their spell, the work can continue. Focus on short term, make it to the next month. But now that isn't working. Need to fire up the country with stuff like the "US blowing up the pipeline".

I view these recent events more about dissuading a coup. A few weeks ago if Putin got thrown under the bus as the sole person responsible for the whole mess, the West would have been more than happy to work with that white lie if it meant a Russian retreat and and slowly resuming trade.

But now on top of a retreat, his would be successors would have to put their name on ceding official Russian territory and with destroyed gas export infrastracture, so getting rid of him is no longer as tempting of a way back to normal for Russia.


Fair assessment. I think if Crimea gets retaken (which appears very likely right now), Putin is gone. Right now he seems to be relying on "this is a problem that only I can fix", but once that problem is too big, they'll just can him.
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