Russo-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 255

The motion called for “an immediate and noticeable increase in German support in terms of quantity and quality”.

Ralf Stegner, MP of Germany's ruling Social Democratic Party (SDP), described the motion as “unnecessary”.

In turn, Johann Wadephul, CDU/CSU parliamentary group vice-chair, stressed that, in view of Russia’s partial mobilisation, Ukraine now needs decisive support.

“This also requires additional weapons systems, especially armoured personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles and tanks from industrial stocks that are ready for export,” he told the DPA agency.

To date, no NATO country has supplied Ukraine with Western-designed tanks.

On October 01 2022 19:01 maybenexttime wrote:
Any good summaries of Putin's speech? I couldn't suffer more than 15 min of it...

On October 01 2022 18:54 KlaCkoN wrote:
I honestly think Russia will use nukes in Ukraine. The sanctions on tech exports mean that they cant sustain a war of attrition, and they dont have the time to rebuild their own industry.

(side note - thats why i always thought the sanctions on gas and oil were dumb beyond belief - the Russian military industrial complex need tech, not paper money, and outside of RTS games those two are not fungible. But too be fair the Russians figured that part out on their own after a few months and shut down the exports themselves, so it wouldn't have mattered very much I guess.)

The people of importance in Russia who would rather make just money in a 'normal' Russia have been murdered and the leaders remaining seem to be all-in on glory or death. I think they will drop nukes until Ukraine agrees to recognize the annexed regions as Russian and then stop the war. Relations between the west and Russia will remain frozen and the world will move on in much the same configuration as the past 6 months, with the West shouting about sanctions and the rest of the world saying 'yea whatever'.
Im not sure if the US has enough diplomatic clout to prevent European countries neighboring Russia getting their own nukes in response. Probably not.
I also really really wish we hadn't let the US pressure us into giving up our nukes in the 60s.

On October 01 2022 18:54 KlaCkoN wrote:
I honestly think Russia will use nukes in Ukraine. The sanctions on tech exports mean that they cant sustain a war of attrition, and they dont have the time to rebuild their own industry.

(side note - thats why i always thought the sanctions on gas and oil were dumb beyond belief - the Russian military industrial complex need tech, not paper money, and outside of RTS games those two are not fungible. But too be fair the Russians figured that part out on their own after a few months and shut down the exports themselves, so it wouldn't have mattered very much I guess.)

The people of importance in Russia who would rather make just money in a 'normal' Russia have been murdered and the leaders remaining seem to be all-in on glory or death. I think they will drop nukes until Ukraine agrees to recognize the annexed regions as Russian and then stop the war. Relations between the west and Russia will remain frozen and the world will move on in much the same configuration as the past 6 months, with the West shouting about sanctions and the rest of the world saying 'yea whatever'.
Im not sure if the US has enough diplomatic clout to prevent European countries neighboring Russia getting their own nukes in response. Probably not.
I also really really wish we hadn't let the US pressure us into giving up our nukes in the 60s.

On October 01 2022 22:27 GoTuNk! wrote:


This is certainly an alternative, some people here seem to almost cheer for Russia to use nukes so Nato can "retaliate". It seems clear Russia is defeated and their army in shambles, level headed leaders should be working on giving them an out.
As if they forget a few nukes will turn a large swath of ukraine into a wasteland.

The US Pentagon plans to set up a command in the western German city of Wiesbaden to pull together the threads of its training and assistance program for the Ukrainian army, The New York Times reported on Thursday.

The newspaper cited US military and administration officials as saying the mission would be led by a high-ranking US general.

The planned command suggests that Washington expects the threat of Russian aggression toward Ukraine and neighboring countries to be of long duration, current and former senior US officials said, according to the paper.

What would the new command do?

The newspaper said the new command would report to General Christopher G. Cavoli, the top US officer in Europe, and would execute decisions made by the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, a 40-country coalition created by the Defense Department to help Ukraine.

Among other things, it would oversee the instruction of Ukrainian troops at training ranges in Germany in addition to coordinating technical support centers, such as those involved in repairing weapons provided by the US, in other countries, the report said.

The project is modeled on train-and-assist schemes instigated by the US in Iraq and Afghanistan over the past two decades, according to the Times.

Wiesbaden is the US Army's headquarters in Europe.

The Times said the proposal had not yet been discussed by US officials in public partly because it was still not completely honed, but also because they did not want to give further fuel to Russian President Vladimir Putin's narrative that his war is against the US and NATO, not Ukraine.

The US has already provided billions in military assistance to Ukraine as it faces a monthslong invasion by Russian forces.

On October 01 2022 22:27 GoTuNk! wrote:


This is certainly an alternative, some people here seem to almost cheer for Russia to use nukes so Nato can "retaliate". It seems clear Russia is defeated and their army in shambles, level headed leaders should be working on giving them an out.
As if they forget a few nukes will turn a large swath of ukraine into a wasteland.

On October 01 2022 23:34 Sent. wrote:
Would love to see Russian troops encircled in Lyman but I guess it's better for civilians there that they managed to leave the city. Wonder if that story about the Russian command denying their request to retreat from the city was fake or if the command just changed its mind few days later.

France is preparing to supply Ukraine with a new series of Caesar guns, taken from an order originally intended for Denmark. This supply could relate to 6 to 12 howitzers out of the fifteen requested by Kyiv. While the technical discussions are being finalized, the maneuver is the subject of a political agreement in principle between the three governments.