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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-30 23:05:44
September 30 2022 23:04 GMT
#5081
German Parliament has voted down a resolution to increase armaments to Ukraine. Not sure if was actual legislation or just a resolution.

The motion called for “an immediate and noticeable increase in German support in terms of quantity and quality”.

Ralf Stegner, MP of Germany's ruling Social Democratic Party (SDP), described the motion as “unnecessary”.

In turn, Johann Wadephul, CDU/CSU parliamentary group vice-chair, stressed that, in view of Russia’s partial mobilisation, Ukraine now needs decisive support.

“This also requires additional weapons systems, especially armoured personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles and tanks from industrial stocks that are ready for export,” he told the DPA agency.

To date, no NATO country has supplied Ukraine with Western-designed tanks.


Source

Also the Russian attempt to break the encirclement of Lyman has failed and now Ukraine is pushing into Luhansk region.

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Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5617 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-01 09:32:30
October 01 2022 00:12 GMT
#5082
On October 01 2022 04:26 npnl19 wrote:
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Hey KwarK, seems you don't bother did the research, repeating your news propaganda, better go work your cash register ~~
Summary, real people living under shelling, voted. Those who do not believe, go.

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NATO go home :/

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mod edit: ASL spoiler




User was warned for this post


Maybe nuke this ASL spoiler?
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Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
October 01 2022 08:54 GMT
#5083
--- Nuked ---
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22704 Posts
October 01 2022 09:25 GMT
#5084
presumably the hope is that they surrender now that the attempted breakout and rescue has failed.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
October 01 2022 09:54 GMT
#5085
I honestly think Russia will use nukes in Ukraine. The sanctions on tech exports mean that they cant sustain a war of attrition, and they dont have the time to rebuild their own industry.

(side note - thats why i always thought the sanctions on gas and oil were dumb beyond belief - the Russian military industrial complex need tech, not paper money, and outside of RTS games those two are not fungible. But too be fair the Russians figured that part out on their own after a few months and shut down the exports themselves, so it wouldn't have mattered very much I guess.)

The people of importance in Russia who would rather make just money in a 'normal' Russia have been murdered and the leaders remaining seem to be all-in on glory or death. I think they will drop nukes until Ukraine agrees to recognize the annexed regions as Russian and then stop the war. Relations between the west and Russia will remain frozen and the world will move on in much the same configuration as the past 6 months, with the West shouting about sanctions and the rest of the world saying 'yea whatever'.
Im not sure if the US has enough diplomatic clout to prevent European countries neighboring Russia getting their own nukes in response. Probably not.
I also really really wish we hadn't let the US pressure us into giving up our nukes in the 60s.
"Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5913 Posts
October 01 2022 10:01 GMT
#5086
Any good summaries of Putin's speech? I couldn't suffer more than 15 min of it...
0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4659 Posts
October 01 2022 10:02 GMT
#5087
When you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Dump of assembler code from 0xffffffec to 0x64: End of assembler dump.
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3401 Posts
October 01 2022 11:43 GMT
#5088
On October 01 2022 19:01 maybenexttime wrote:
Any good summaries of Putin's speech? I couldn't suffer more than 15 min of it...

There was a decent summary at twitter.
But if you've seen 5 minutes then you've seen it all.
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2914 Posts
October 01 2022 11:51 GMT
#5089
On October 01 2022 18:54 KlaCkoN wrote:
I honestly think Russia will use nukes in Ukraine. The sanctions on tech exports mean that they cant sustain a war of attrition, and they dont have the time to rebuild their own industry.

(side note - thats why i always thought the sanctions on gas and oil were dumb beyond belief - the Russian military industrial complex need tech, not paper money, and outside of RTS games those two are not fungible. But too be fair the Russians figured that part out on their own after a few months and shut down the exports themselves, so it wouldn't have mattered very much I guess.)

The people of importance in Russia who would rather make just money in a 'normal' Russia have been murdered and the leaders remaining seem to be all-in on glory or death. I think they will drop nukes until Ukraine agrees to recognize the annexed regions as Russian and then stop the war. Relations between the west and Russia will remain frozen and the world will move on in much the same configuration as the past 6 months, with the West shouting about sanctions and the rest of the world saying 'yea whatever'.
Im not sure if the US has enough diplomatic clout to prevent European countries neighboring Russia getting their own nukes in response. Probably not.
I also really really wish we hadn't let the US pressure us into giving up our nukes in the 60s.


The US/Nato have already informed Russia exactly what will happen if they use a tactical nuke in Ukraine. That much we know from offical statements.

Best guess from experts is Ukraine turning into a no fly zone and air and missile strikes on Russian soldiers untill there are no more left in Ukraine. But there are also rumors about that + sinking all Russian surface ships.

Regardless its likely that tactical nukes would only make them lose the war faster.

Putin migth be desperate and hope for a bluff tho.
Unity, support, family, and kneecapping bitches.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5913 Posts
October 01 2022 12:40 GMT
#5090
Or Putin might hope to lose the war faster but to NATO instead of Ukraine. He might feel incentivised to use nukes as losing against NATO may very well be the only he can stay in power. :<
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17872 Posts
October 01 2022 12:50 GMT
#5091
https://www-bbc-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-63079868.amp

US Army doctor accused of spying for Russia.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-01 12:59:37
October 01 2022 12:58 GMT
#5092
Supposedly a daily map uploaded by pro Russian Rybar. Shows Lyman completed taken over by Ukraine.

[image loading]


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GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
October 01 2022 13:27 GMT
#5093
On October 01 2022 18:54 KlaCkoN wrote:
I honestly think Russia will use nukes in Ukraine. The sanctions on tech exports mean that they cant sustain a war of attrition, and they dont have the time to rebuild their own industry.

(side note - thats why i always thought the sanctions on gas and oil were dumb beyond belief - the Russian military industrial complex need tech, not paper money, and outside of RTS games those two are not fungible. But too be fair the Russians figured that part out on their own after a few months and shut down the exports themselves, so it wouldn't have mattered very much I guess.)

The people of importance in Russia who would rather make just money in a 'normal' Russia have been murdered and the leaders remaining seem to be all-in on glory or death. I think they will drop nukes until Ukraine agrees to recognize the annexed regions as Russian and then stop the war. Relations between the west and Russia will remain frozen and the world will move on in much the same configuration as the past 6 months, with the West shouting about sanctions and the rest of the world saying 'yea whatever'.
Im not sure if the US has enough diplomatic clout to prevent European countries neighboring Russia getting their own nukes in response. Probably not.
I also really really wish we hadn't let the US pressure us into giving up our nukes in the 60s.


This is certainly an alternative, some people here seem to almost cheer for Russia to use nukes so Nato can "retaliate". It seems clear Russia is defeated and their army in shambles, level headed leaders should be working on giving them an out.
As if they forget a few nukes will turn a large swath of ukraine into a wasteland.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22704 Posts
October 01 2022 13:32 GMT
#5094
On October 01 2022 22:27 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2022 18:54 KlaCkoN wrote:
I honestly think Russia will use nukes in Ukraine. The sanctions on tech exports mean that they cant sustain a war of attrition, and they dont have the time to rebuild their own industry.

(side note - thats why i always thought the sanctions on gas and oil were dumb beyond belief - the Russian military industrial complex need tech, not paper money, and outside of RTS games those two are not fungible. But too be fair the Russians figured that part out on their own after a few months and shut down the exports themselves, so it wouldn't have mattered very much I guess.)

The people of importance in Russia who would rather make just money in a 'normal' Russia have been murdered and the leaders remaining seem to be all-in on glory or death. I think they will drop nukes until Ukraine agrees to recognize the annexed regions as Russian and then stop the war. Relations between the west and Russia will remain frozen and the world will move on in much the same configuration as the past 6 months, with the West shouting about sanctions and the rest of the world saying 'yea whatever'.
Im not sure if the US has enough diplomatic clout to prevent European countries neighboring Russia getting their own nukes in response. Probably not.
I also really really wish we hadn't let the US pressure us into giving up our nukes in the 60s.


This is certainly an alternative, some people here seem to almost cheer for Russia to use nukes so Nato can "retaliate". It seems clear Russia is defeated and their army in shambles, level headed leaders should be working on giving them an out.
As if they forget a few nukes will turn a large swath of ukraine into a wasteland.
Russia has an out. They can withdraw back into pre-2014 Russia. Putin will not be given a different out because that would involve Ukraine ceding territory.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
dekka88
Profile Joined October 2022
1 Post
October 01 2022 13:44 GMT
#5095
Well looks like Putin has gone all democratic, held a referendum and feels bound to support the will of the people, when will he give the russian people a choice about having a him in charge.

His army is crumbling and he's hiding behind Nuclear weapons because the Ukrainian army is giving him a thorough trouncing he's causing death and destruction to a peaceful democratic state but don't worry his Saddam Hussain, Colonel Gadaffi, Ceausescu moment is coming soon and would come even sooner if our Russian friends took to the streets en masse.

{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-01 13:52:11
October 01 2022 13:50 GMT
#5096
Whether it likes it or not it seems the war will soon come to Germany and they will have to help. Now whether that means Command decisions, or more material help is anyone's guess.

The US Pentagon plans to set up a command in the western German city of Wiesbaden to pull together the threads of its training and assistance program for the Ukrainian army, The New York Times reported on Thursday.

The newspaper cited US military and administration officials as saying the mission would be led by a high-ranking US general.

The planned command suggests that Washington expects the threat of Russian aggression toward Ukraine and neighboring countries to be of long duration, current and former senior US officials said, according to the paper.

What would the new command do?

The newspaper said the new command would report to General Christopher G. Cavoli, the top US officer in Europe, and would execute decisions made by the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, a 40-country coalition created by the Defense Department to help Ukraine.

Among other things, it would oversee the instruction of Ukrainian troops at training ranges in Germany in addition to coordinating technical support centers, such as those involved in repairing weapons provided by the US, in other countries, the report said.

The project is modeled on train-and-assist schemes instigated by the US in Iraq and Afghanistan over the past two decades, according to the Times.

Wiesbaden is the US Army's headquarters in Europe.

The Times said the proposal had not yet been discussed by US officials in public partly because it was still not completely honed, but also because they did not want to give further fuel to Russian President Vladimir Putin's narrative that his war is against the US and NATO, not Ukraine.

The US has already provided billions in military assistance to Ukraine as it faces a monthslong invasion by Russian forces.


Source
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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16344 Posts
October 01 2022 14:18 GMT
#5097
On October 01 2022 22:27 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2022 18:54 KlaCkoN wrote:
I honestly think Russia will use nukes in Ukraine. The sanctions on tech exports mean that they cant sustain a war of attrition, and they dont have the time to rebuild their own industry.

(side note - thats why i always thought the sanctions on gas and oil were dumb beyond belief - the Russian military industrial complex need tech, not paper money, and outside of RTS games those two are not fungible. But too be fair the Russians figured that part out on their own after a few months and shut down the exports themselves, so it wouldn't have mattered very much I guess.)

The people of importance in Russia who would rather make just money in a 'normal' Russia have been murdered and the leaders remaining seem to be all-in on glory or death. I think they will drop nukes until Ukraine agrees to recognize the annexed regions as Russian and then stop the war. Relations between the west and Russia will remain frozen and the world will move on in much the same configuration as the past 6 months, with the West shouting about sanctions and the rest of the world saying 'yea whatever'.
Im not sure if the US has enough diplomatic clout to prevent European countries neighboring Russia getting their own nukes in response. Probably not.
I also really really wish we hadn't let the US pressure us into giving up our nukes in the 60s.


This is certainly an alternative, some people here seem to almost cheer for Russia to use nukes so Nato can "retaliate". It seems clear Russia is defeated and their army in shambles, level headed leaders should be working on giving them an out.
As if they forget a few nukes will turn a large swath of ukraine into a wasteland.

Can you give an example for someone here cheering for Russia to use nukes? I am sure you didn't just make that up.

Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9336 Posts
October 01 2022 14:34 GMT
#5098
Would love to see Russian troops encircled in Lyman but I guess it's better for civilians there that they managed to leave the city. Wonder if that story about the Russian command denying their request to retreat from the city was fake or if the command just changed its mind few days later.
You're now breathing manually
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12185 Posts
October 01 2022 15:04 GMT
#5099
On October 01 2022 23:34 Sent. wrote:
Would love to see Russian troops encircled in Lyman but I guess it's better for civilians there that they managed to leave the city. Wonder if that story about the Russian command denying their request to retreat from the city was fake or if the command just changed its mind few days later.


You also have the option of them just ignoring the command. Though I don't think that is what happened, they tried a breakout with support from the other side of the lines at least once.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 01 2022 15:11 GMT
#5100
France preparing to deliver a number of howitzer guns to Ukraine that were originally set for Denmark.

Google Translate:

France is preparing to supply Ukraine with a new series of Caesar guns, taken from an order originally intended for Denmark. This supply could relate to 6 to 12 howitzers out of the fifteen requested by Kyiv. While the technical discussions are being finalized, the maneuver is the subject of a political agreement in principle between the three governments.


Source

Reports of explosions at Belbek airport in Crimea:




Evidence that the Russian retreat wasn't orderly.

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