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On October 01 2022 22:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Whether it likes it or not it seems the war will soon come to Germany and they will have to help. Now whether that means Command decisions, or more material help is anyone's guess. Show nested quote +The US Pentagon plans to set up a command in the western German city of Wiesbaden to pull together the threads of its training and assistance program for the Ukrainian army, The New York Times reported on Thursday.
The newspaper cited US military and administration officials as saying the mission would be led by a high-ranking US general.
The planned command suggests that Washington expects the threat of Russian aggression toward Ukraine and neighboring countries to be of long duration, current and former senior US officials said, according to the paper.
What would the new command do?
The newspaper said the new command would report to General Christopher G. Cavoli, the top US officer in Europe, and would execute decisions made by the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, a 40-country coalition created by the Defense Department to help Ukraine.
Among other things, it would oversee the instruction of Ukrainian troops at training ranges in Germany in addition to coordinating technical support centers, such as those involved in repairing weapons provided by the US, in other countries, the report said.
The project is modeled on train-and-assist schemes instigated by the US in Iraq and Afghanistan over the past two decades, according to the Times.
Wiesbaden is the US Army's headquarters in Europe.
The Times said the proposal had not yet been discussed by US officials in public partly because it was still not completely honed, but also because they did not want to give further fuel to Russian President Vladimir Putin's narrative that his war is against the US and NATO, not Ukraine.
The US has already provided billions in military assistance to Ukraine as it faces a monthslong invasion by Russian forces. Source
I might be misreading your intentions, but are you insinuating that germany doesn't help / is not very involved in the war? Apart from continuously shipping weapons (not all the systems ukraine asks for but germany does make meaningful contributions), wounded ukrainians are treated at german hospitals (I live near a hospital, after the start of the ukrainian counter offensive their chopper was constantly flying), germany provides financial aid and was the only country that could train the ukrainian soldiers on the PzH2000. There are also ukrainian refugees that are taken it, I volunteered and help to build some facilities for them at the start of the war and volunteered there. The war has come to germany a long time ago.
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On October 02 2022 00:53 Artesimo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2022 22:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Whether it likes it or not it seems the war will soon come to Germany and they will have to help. Now whether that means Command decisions, or more material help is anyone's guess. The US Pentagon plans to set up a command in the western German city of Wiesbaden to pull together the threads of its training and assistance program for the Ukrainian army, The New York Times reported on Thursday.
The newspaper cited US military and administration officials as saying the mission would be led by a high-ranking US general.
The planned command suggests that Washington expects the threat of Russian aggression toward Ukraine and neighboring countries to be of long duration, current and former senior US officials said, according to the paper.
What would the new command do?
The newspaper said the new command would report to General Christopher G. Cavoli, the top US officer in Europe, and would execute decisions made by the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, a 40-country coalition created by the Defense Department to help Ukraine.
Among other things, it would oversee the instruction of Ukrainian troops at training ranges in Germany in addition to coordinating technical support centers, such as those involved in repairing weapons provided by the US, in other countries, the report said.
The project is modeled on train-and-assist schemes instigated by the US in Iraq and Afghanistan over the past two decades, according to the Times.
Wiesbaden is the US Army's headquarters in Europe.
The Times said the proposal had not yet been discussed by US officials in public partly because it was still not completely honed, but also because they did not want to give further fuel to Russian President Vladimir Putin's narrative that his war is against the US and NATO, not Ukraine.
The US has already provided billions in military assistance to Ukraine as it faces a monthslong invasion by Russian forces. Source I might be misreading your intentions, but are you insinuating that germany doesn't help / is not very involved in the war? Apart from continuously shipping weapons (not all the systems ukraine asks for but germany does make meaningful contributions), wounded ukrainians are treated at german hospitals (I live near a hospital, after the start of the ukrainian counter offensive their chopper was constantly flying), germany provides financial aid and was the only country that could train the ukrainian soldiers on the PzH2000. There are also ukrainian refugees that are taken it, I volunteered and help to build some facilities for them at the start of the war and volunteered there. The war has come to germany a long time ago.
No I am implying that German military command could find themselves discussing to their Ukrainian counterparts where they need to hit, and where to focus in certain battles, as well as what to use. Along with about 29 other NATO countries. And 10 non ones.
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Great to see Ukraine making big progress again after some relative calm. I think they're gaining more or less as much as during the Kharkiv offensive. Lets hope Putin has been bluffing the whole time.
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Apparently the retreat from Lyman was a route that some Ukrainian soldiers are feeling trauma from the amount of bodies, and killing that was done.
Meanwhile Armenia is threatening to leave the CSTO
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Would be funny if Armenia rounded off the war that looks likely to start and then applies to Nato. Seems unlikely to happen since it would stretch Nato into an area it isn't really manning or projecting force on now. Adding a lot of risks for few benefits. Personally I would love it though, a global defence pact would be nice. The multi block ones are kind of risky though and I don't see China or modern Russia joining Nato...
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On October 02 2022 04:13 Yurie wrote:
Would be funny if Armenia rounded off the war that looks likely to start and then applies to Nato. Seems unlikely to happen since it would stretch Nato into an area it isn't really manning or projecting force on now. Adding a lot of risks for few benefits. Personally I would love it though, a global defence pact would be nice. The multi block ones are kind of risky though and I don't see China or modern Russia joining Nato...
I mean that would certainly be a scenario when we ignore the eternal territorial disputes and the fact that the main opponent is basically a proxy of the NATO member Turkey and that it would require agreement of all NATO nations and I doubt you would even find a handful in favor of IT...
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So now it appears Kreminna is now in artillery range of the forces of Ukraine.
Germany's Defense Minister has landed in Ukraine.
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Thanks {CC}StealthBlue for keeping this thread, and others updated. I don't always agree with your sources but i appreciate how you consistently give them.
Now it's been a few days, Plasmidghost has made their stance clear, But I haven't heard a lot from the rest of the forum. besides the massive life loss of UK/RU in this war, That is frankly worrying. Who do you all think blew up the pipline?
Id bet against Russia on it but I'm open to hear others opinions.
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United States43232 Posts
Well on the one side there’s the guys who constantly shout in the Duma about how they need to start targeting western infrastructure to punish the west for aiding Ukraine, who brag about hitting power plants, dams etc. and who have been blowing shit up for 6 months. And on the other there’s every other nation. So yeah, it’s going to be tough to narrow down the suspects.
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Have you seen this video Kwark?
+ Show Spoiler +https://www.newsweek.com/video-biden-saying-end-nord-stream-resurfaces-after-pipeline-leak-1747005
I didn't read the article I just grabbed it for the video, would that maybe re-narrow the suspects for you?
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On October 02 2022 06:40 Taelshin wrote:Have you seen this video Kwark? + Show Spoiler +https://www.newsweek.com/video-biden-saying-end-nord-stream-resurfaces-after-pipeline-leak-1747005 I didn't read the article I just grabbed it for the video, would that maybe re-narrow the suspects for you?
I don't get your point. Nord Stream 2 was ended. It never opened. Not 1 mm3 was traded through it. Why would the US then blow up Nord Stream 1.
I'm not saying they couldn't do it, just that just because Biden said something vaguely related in a different context is... irrelevant.
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United States43232 Posts
On October 02 2022 06:40 Taelshin wrote:Have you seen this video Kwark? + Show Spoiler +https://www.newsweek.com/video-biden-saying-end-nord-stream-resurfaces-after-pipeline-leak-1747005 I didn't read the article I just grabbed it for the video, would that maybe re-narrow the suspects for you?
Biden doesn’t need to bomb shit to shut it down. If Biden wanted to force Germany to do shit they’d twist Germany’s arm long before they bombed it and they’d bomb it in public if it came to that.
The idea that Biden secretly attacked it is absurd.
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The US has by far been the most openly hostile and insistent they would not let it exist. The US is clearly the most capable (it being Russia also indicates a significant strategic vulnerability). US LNG businesses stand to benefit substantially. There is too much motive, capacity, and impunity to dismiss the potential it was orchestrated by the US.
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Also, Nordstream (1 and 2) were already shut down before that happening. The whole thing is really weird imo. Which makes me believe Russia, because Russia has a tendency to do really weird stuff, especially when it is under pressure.
I simply don't see the gain in this for Biden, especially not one worth the risks if it could be proven it was the US. For exactly the reasons Kwark mentioned.
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United States43232 Posts
Bombing things in secret is the last resort of a nation that lacks the soft power to get what they want. Russia has been doing this nonsense for years. Secret wars in Ukraine. Chemical weapon attacks in England. The US does it’s work in public.
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On October 02 2022 07:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
The US has by far been the most openly hostile and insistent they would not let it exist. The US is clearly the most capable (it being Russia also indicates a significant strategic vulnerability). US LNG businesses stand to benefit substantially. There is too much motive, capacity, and impunity to dismiss the potential it was orchestrated by the US.
Poland and the Baltics would like to have a word with you. ;-)
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I do think the US clearly benefits from the destruction of the pipes and they're one of the few countries capable of doing that without getting caught, but that's still not enough to put them anywhere close to Russia on the "most likely perpetrator" list.
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On October 02 2022 06:29 Taelshin wrote:
Thanks {CC}StealthBlue for keeping this thread, and others updated. I don't always agree with your sources but i appreciate how you consistently give them.
Now it's been a few days, Plasmidghost has made their stance clear, But I haven't heard a lot from the rest of the forum. besides the massive life loss of UK/RU in this war, That is frankly worrying. Who do you all think blew up the pipline?
Id bet against Russia on it but I'm open to hear others opinions.
Makes no sense for Russia to blow it up when they control the flow.They can turn it off and use it as a bargaining chip against Europe later in the winter, full gas flow resumption on lifting of sanctions etc.
I don’t see how it benefits them more to blow it up.
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I really worry that the higher up the chain of command the terror goes, the more likely it is that Putin makes an unprecedented escalation. I bet other high-ranking generals are saying similar in private.
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