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NOTE: When providing a source, please provide a very brief summary on what it's about and what purpose it adds to the discussion. The supporting statement should clearly explain why the subject is relevant and needs to be discussed. Please follow this rule especially for tweets.

Your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source.
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
September 30 2022 16:04 GMT
#5061
On October 01 2022 00:43 DropBear wrote:
Can someone give a summary when the NATO presser is done please, I'm not able to watch rn


Seconded.

Seems like it could be some solid information for the thread overall.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 30 2022 16:06 GMT
#5062
NATO does not recognize annexing of held areas, including Crimea. NATO will continue to support Ukraine, if not more. Now taking reporter questions.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43232 Posts
September 30 2022 16:07 GMT
#5063
NATO do not recognize the annexations and positively affirm that in their view all annexed territory, specifically including Crimea, is Ukrainian. NATO pledge to continue providing support to Ukraine as they defend themselves for as long as it takes.

My reading of that is that if Ukraine continue the war into Crimea there will be no change in the NATO backing. If they continue into Moscow there would be but as long as they’re defending themselves within the pre 2014 borders they have a full commitment.
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14047 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-30 16:09:23
September 30 2022 16:08 GMT
#5064
Making a statement on Crimea being Ukraine isn't nothing but thats the most new thing I think that came out of it.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1057 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-30 16:22:07
September 30 2022 16:15 GMT
#5065
He also said if Russia stops fighting, the war will end. If Ukraine stops fighting, Ukraine will cease to exist. And that's not an option.

After todays events, I personally think we need to start training the Ukrainians on the Leopards and see what we can pull together. Putin convinced me again.

Edit: He also said, apart from more support for Ukraine, there'll be more support for and troops being moved to eastern countries of the alliance.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-30 16:22:20
September 30 2022 16:20 GMT
#5066
NATO is increasing troops in Eastern Europe. Also he ducked the Ukraine applying for NATO question.

But the big story is not that press conference but whoever the reporter was that asked the Secretary would it be wise to tell Ukraine to stop attacking said annexed territories since it risks nuclear war.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
September 30 2022 16:54 GMT
#5067
Thanks for the summaries y'all.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 30 2022 18:01 GMT
#5068
Counting Canada that makes 5. But besides people seem to forget that Article 11 trumps Article 5 of NATO when it comes to the US.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Artesimo
Profile Joined February 2015
Germany563 Posts
September 30 2022 18:22 GMT
#5069
'Joining as soon as possible' still means not anytime soon as long as the war is still going. As long as there is a territorial conflict it is impossible for ukraine to join... Not to mention that it would make no sense for nato to let ukraine in right now, even if possible. Keeping nato states from becoming an active participant in this war is what has shaped the aid that ukraine is receiving the most imo.

People need to wake up and stop dreaming about ukraine simply joining nato and forcing russia to turn around and go back home peacefully.
npnl19
Profile Joined August 2016
Russian Federation27 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-01 09:33:05
September 30 2022 19:26 GMT
#5070
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Hey KwarK, seems you don't bother did the research, repeating your news propaganda, better go work your cash register ~~
Summary, real people living under shelling, voted. Those who do not believe, go.

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NATO go home :/

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mod edit: ASL spoiler




User was warned for this post
Mikau313
Profile Joined January 2021
Netherlands230 Posts
September 30 2022 19:32 GMT
#5071
On October 01 2022 04:26 npnl19 wrote:

NATO go home :/



The absolute irony.

It would be funny if you weren't actively killing people.

Russians go home.
npnl19
Profile Joined August 2016
Russian Federation27 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-30 19:39:37
September 30 2022 19:36 GMT
#5072
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It would be funny if you weren't actively killing people


tell that to Ukranians plz. Killing their own for 8 years. and still (on new borders - today more than 20 ukranian civilians dead trying to flee from Kherson (UA controlled) to the east (RU controlled), just cause.

Russians go home.


we are on our land. you are on other continent, mind your business, you were not interested in defending people of Donbass.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43232 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-01 09:33:19
September 30 2022 19:39 GMT
#5073
On October 01 2022 04:26 npnl19 wrote:
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Hey KwarK, seems you don't bother did the research, repeating your news propaganda, better go work your cash register ~~
Summary, real people living under shelling, voted. Those who do not believe, go.

+ Show Spoiler +
NATO go home :/

+ Show Spoiler +
mod edit: ASL spoiler



Cash register? What?
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17435 Posts
September 30 2022 19:40 GMT
#5074
On October 01 2022 03:22 Artesimo wrote:
'Joining as soon as possible' still means not anytime soon as long as the war is still going. As long as there is a territorial conflict it is impossible for ukraine to join... Not to mention that it would make no sense for nato to let ukraine in right now, even if possible. Keeping nato states from becoming an active participant in this war is what has shaped the aid that ukraine is receiving the most imo.

People need to wake up and stop dreaming about ukraine simply joining nato and forcing russia to turn around and go back home peacefully.


Well, technically Turkey and Greece (both NATO members) are at war. Also, Canada and Denmark are exchanging control of an island on a weekly basis (decades long territorial dispute).

I think articles might be pertaining to being involved in active conflicts where actual fighting is happening though... International politics can be complex.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Mikau313
Profile Joined January 2021
Netherlands230 Posts
September 30 2022 19:43 GMT
#5075

tell that to Ukranians plz. Killing their own for 8 years. and still (on new borders - today more than 20 ukranian civilians dead trying to flee from Kherson (UA controlled) to the east (RU controlled), just cause.

First of all, I'm sure you can source that?

And second of all, even if that's not a bold faced propaganda lie (which it is), how does that in any way justify the bombing, shooting, raping, torturing and murdering that your military is doing at the moment?



we are on our land. you are on other continent, mind your business, you were not interested in defending people of Donbass.


You are not on your land. You are on Ukraine's land. Ukraine is not Russia. Ukraine doesn't want to be Russia.

npnl19
Profile Joined August 2016
Russian Federation27 Posts
September 30 2022 19:43 GMT
#5076
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Cash register? What?

thats what i imagined you based on your TL posts. lol. dont take too personally though. im just a littlte pissed. ok im off. you guys continue your discussion.


User was temp banned for this post.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 30 2022 19:47 GMT
#5077
US announces immediate weapons support to be sent to Ukraine.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43232 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-30 19:56:07
September 30 2022 19:55 GMT
#5078
On October 01 2022 04:43 npnl19 wrote:
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Cash register? What?

thats what i imagined you based on your TL posts. lol. dont take too personally though. im just a littlte pissed. ok im off. you guys continue your discussion.

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I work from home and average over $100/hr lol. I think you may be projecting.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 30 2022 20:13 GMT
#5079
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Artesimo
Profile Joined February 2015
Germany563 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-30 20:59:27
September 30 2022 20:57 GMT
#5080
On October 01 2022 04:40 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2022 03:22 Artesimo wrote:
'Joining as soon as possible' still means not anytime soon as long as the war is still going. As long as there is a territorial conflict it is impossible for ukraine to join... Not to mention that it would make no sense for nato to let ukraine in right now, even if possible. Keeping nato states from becoming an active participant in this war is what has shaped the aid that ukraine is receiving the most imo.

People need to wake up and stop dreaming about ukraine simply joining nato and forcing russia to turn around and go back home peacefully.


Well, technically Turkey and Greece (both NATO members) are at war. Also, Canada and Denmark are exchanging control of an island on a weekly basis (decades long territorial dispute).

I think articles might be pertaining to being involved in active conflicts where actual fighting is happening though... International politics can be complex.


Neither of those are 'technically wars', and afaik, their nato membership predates the aegean conflict.

Same goes for denmark canada. Its not a war by any definition, and the nato membership of both states predated the conflict. I also think they agreed to split the island last year. You don't get kicked out of nato for having territorial disputes, the rule is to prevent you from joining nato because you want some backup for your dispute.


EDIT: JimmiC coming in with the details. It was just a couple of months ago? Covid times really messed up my perception of time
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