Russo-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 172

On July 24 2022 08:22 plasmidghost wrote:
I had meant to point out the Russians using 85% of their military in Ukraine so far, but that makes me wonder, how accurate would that statement be?

According to diplomats, under the terms of the deal:

Russia will not target ports while shipments are in transit
Ukrainian vessels will guide cargo ships through waters that have been mined
Turkey - supported by the United Nations - will inspect ships, to allay Russian fears of weapons smuggling
Russian exports of grain and fertiliser via the Black Sea will be facilitated.

The deal is valid for 120 days and the United Nations expects it to be renewed unless the war has ended by then. Work is to get underway immediately to establish inspection teams and staffing a Joint Coordination Center (JCC) in Istanbul overseen by members of all four parties to the agreement.

Ukrainian ports require about 10 days to prepare, so it will take a few weeks before vessels are moving in and out. "We are looking at a very quick rate of implementation," the official said.

Negotiations began in April when U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres raised the idea in separate meetings with Russian President Vladimir Putin and Volodymyr Zelenskiy of Ukraine.

On July 24 2022 08:22 plasmidghost wrote:
I had meant to point out the Russians using 85% of their military in Ukraine so far, but that makes me wonder, how accurate would that statement be?

On July 24 2022 19:12 Simberto wrote:
Quantity has a quality of its own.

I wouldn't wanna be in that field while that is going on.

Poland is gearing up to purchase tanks, howitzers and fighter planes from South Korea as it looks to bolster its armed forces.

"We're signing contracts next week," Polish Defense Minister Mariusz Blaszczak said in a tweet on Friday.

The agreement includes 48 FA-50 light combat fighter jets, 180 K2 "Black Panther" tanks and an unspecified number of K9 howitzers, wPolityce website reported, quoting Blaszczak.

"With this contract, we will significantly increase Poland's security and the strength of the Polish Army. Fast delivery and industry development are key! We reconciled the often divergent interests of soldiers and the arms industry," Blaszczak said in his tweet.

On July 24 2022 23:35 Manit0u wrote:


You have to take into account that Russia hasn't sent their regular army there. Mostly just conscripts and regional forces (people they don't have to put casualty reports for public). At the beginning of conflict Russia had what, 200k troops sent there? With 40k dead you'd assume that at least twice that number are wounded or otherwise incapable of fighting, making it around 120k incapacitated troops so I'd estimate it at about 60%. That's just the troops, not sure about vehicles and other assets.



Yeah, but at the same time you don't see any trench lines or burned down armor there. So it seems like an excessive force to saturate an area. We don't really know the context but if it was to say rout a small unit of Ukrainians then it's extremely ineffective (expending thousands of artillery rounds to try and hunt down 20 people or so).

On July 25 2022 01:41 Sent. wrote:
Nah, we're filling up the space left by the Soviet gear we sent Ukraine. The Abrams tank deal was disappointing in certain aspects so decision was made to buy different tanks instead of going all-in on the American tanks.

There were also some talks about nuclear energy cooperation with Korean companies so maybe our government believes there's something to gain from developing a closer relationship with Korea.

On July 24 2022 23:35 Manit0u wrote:


You have to take into account that Russia hasn't sent their regular army there. Mostly just conscripts and regional forces (people they don't have to put casualty reports for public). At the beginning of conflict Russia had what, 200k troops sent there? With 40k dead you'd assume that at least twice that number are wounded or otherwise incapable of fighting, making it around 120k incapacitated troops so I'd estimate it at about 60%. That's just the troops, not sure about vehicles and other assets.



Yeah, but at the same time you don't see any trench lines or burned down armor there. So it seems like an excessive force to saturate an area. We don't really know the context but if it was to say rout a small unit of Ukrainians then it's extremely ineffective (expending thousands of artillery rounds to try and hunt down 20 people or so).

On July 25 2022 02:39 Ardias wrote:

It's the opposite. Russia sent only regular troops there, while conscripts remained in Russia, since it's legally prohibited to use them outside Russian border. That's why I think referendums on Russia-controlled territories are important, they will allow Kremlin to use conscripts in defence of these territories in accordance with Russian law.

On July 25 2022 03:01 Manit0u wrote:


Then how come the people reporting back home or captured by the Ukrainians are saying they were basically drafted and sent to the front without even having any training at all? Most of the Russian forces were people conscripted in the LPR/DNR, conscripts from rural areas or forces of other republics (Chechens, Wagner Group etc.). Aside from a few units of their regular troops in the form of VDV, some marines and spetsnaz there weren't really any signs of their regular army. Most pictures we get are those groups of people with random mismatched equipment and very few wearing any modern gear, body armor or even uniform outfits.

Unless you want to tell me that regular infantrymen in Russia go into combat wearing sneakers and colorful school backpacks?

On July 25 2022 02:39 Ardias wrote:

It's the opposite. Russia sent only regular troops there, while conscripts remained in Russia, since it's legally prohibited to use them outside Russian border. That's why I think referendums on Russia-controlled territories are important, they will allow Kremlin to use conscripts in defence of these territories in accordance with Russian law.

On July 25 2022 04:23 maybenexttime wrote:

Because most Russians are couch patriots by design. They don't mine a genocide next door, as long as they don't have to get their hands dirty.