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Cyro
United Kingdom20286 Posts
On August 05 2021 10:54 Vindicare605 wrote: That's exactly what's going on, I'm surprised that wasn't obvious to everyone lol. More than that, it likely gives Kotick more control over the operation at Blizzard. The title has been downgraded twice when replacing leadership. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7302 Posts
Could wind up seeing Blizzard become a mobile studio looking for more avenues to drain the money from whales as is the predominant money making scheme for games these days, could also potentially see stuff like World of Warcraft get better if they're not as insulated by that layer of Blizzard autonomy. Probably see more microtransaction and mobile stuff no matter what though. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16710 Posts
On August 01 2021 22:20 NewSunshine wrote: I'm really not interested in your excuses. Blizzard leadership has been shown to be almost exclusively shit human beings who treat women like shit. Don't enter the conversation with "but that's just how it is". It's not a good look. no excuses. just facts. you can whine about the facts of reality all you want. When you employ many thousands of people you'll have some criminals in that mix engaged in some bad criminal activity. Disney employs child predators. https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/multiple-disney-world-workers-among-17-nabbed-in-florida-child-predator-bust-sheriff/2520228/ ATVI employs 9,500 people. Disney employs ~50,000. You're going to some criminals in that mix. maybe when i was very young and had very little life experience criminals working at giant entertainment companies would've shocked me. not now, its just how it is man. On August 01 2021 22:20 NewSunshine wrote: Also, thank you for correcting the record and pointing out that Blizzard had 0 female employees in the very beginning. I'm not sure it makes the point you think it does, but you do you. LOL, so i guess 2 or 3 guys getting together to start a company with zero resources is evil. so you have conceded your assertion that there was harassment at the inception of the company in incorrect. Let's just leave it at that. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
"How could Blizzard possibly address predatory behavior when they have 9000 employees" is an excuse. It's the leadership doing it, bro, it's staring them in the face. It trickled down because they set the example that it was ok to be a sexual predator on their watch. And if you're going to strawman my post as only referring to literally the beginning of the company and nothing that happened afterward, just so you can get one up on something I never said, please just stop replying to me altogether. This isn't about winning stupid internet points. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7302 Posts
Not like this was some issue with exclusively rank and file people, these are people with tenure, and with known issues with sexual harassment staying with the company for a long time bred within a horrible company culture. Its not as easily dismissed as, "every big company will have some scumbags in it." | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25353 Posts
Such an ask would be borderline if not outright impossible. Engaging in such behaviour on the clock, with those tasked with preventing it turning a blind eye? Absolutely manageable and desirable to do. ‘That’s how it is’, regardless of the morality only holds as long as well, ‘how it is’. I somewhat doubt even a case of this magnitude and visibility that norms will shift overnight, but the general tide is gradually shifting. Hopefully people can adjust to the unreasonable demands of ‘not treating people terribly’ at least as well as people put up with shitty behaviour for decades. | ||
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CMS_Flash
Hong Kong47 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7302 Posts
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On August 05 2021 23:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote: no excuses. just facts. you can whine about the facts of reality all you want. When you employ many thousands of people you'll have some criminals in that mix engaged in some bad criminal activity. Disney employs child predators. https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/multiple-disney-world-workers-among-17-nabbed-in-florida-child-predator-bust-sheriff/2520228/ ATVI employs 9,500 people. Disney employs ~50,000. You're going to some criminals in that mix. maybe when i was very young and had very little life experience criminals working at giant entertainment companies would've shocked me. not now, its just how it is man. LOL, so i guess 2 or 3 guys getting together to start a company with zero resources is evil. so you have conceded your assertion that there was harassment at the inception of the company in incorrect. Let's just leave it at that. what an interesting post that has no connection to what its employees are demanding of blizz. “These are: (1) an end to forced arbitration in employment agreements, (2) the adoption of inclusive recruitment and hiring practices, (3) increases in pay transparency through compensation metrics, and (4) an audit of ABK policies and practices to be performed by a neutral third-party. Importantly, we demanded that this third party be selected by an employee-led Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion task force.” This is what organised employees want of blizz. That SURELY entails getting rid of toxic leadership. And you can sport that defeatist attitude as long as you want. People are worth being treated as human beings with dignity and as such can easily demand that from their employer. You don't get to tell them that life just sucks for them because some asshole is gonna be an asshole. | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10656 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20286 Posts
On August 06 2021 01:59 Zambrah wrote: Ybarra apparently is a big WoW addict, dudes got all M+ 20s done, so its hard to say there isnt SOME amount of experience and passion with Blizzard games from at least him, lol He's in the top small fraction of 1% of the playerbase, kinda like being low GM on SC2. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16710 Posts
On August 06 2021 02:14 Artisreal wrote: what an interesting post that has no connection to what its employees are demanding of blizz. i think they are demanding things from ATVI and not from Blizzard. I do not think Blizzard is autonomous enough to be able to agree with the demands. Also, i'm not trying to connect it with what employees are demanding of blizz. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25353 Posts
It was J Allen Brack who bought burgers for the GSL studio once right? | ||
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Excludos
Norway8080 Posts
On August 06 2021 22:29 WombaT wrote: Unrelated, but is stirring quite the debate in a group chat. It was J Allen Brack who bought burgers for the GSL studio once right? Pizzas, according to a forum post. About 500 of them | ||
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Zambrah
United States7302 Posts
A nice condensation of major beats of the issues and some info on why Blizzard had developed the kind of culture it did. Some new info too, seems like a former probable successor to Morhaime got the boot for something like sleeping with his assistant, Activision making working at Blizzard shittier via tighter deadlines and making people less likely to speak up about problems lest they draw budget cuts to their project. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-08-06/activision-blizzard-atvi-news-culture-of-misbehavior-festered-before-lawsuit Shortly afterward, they got a supposed explanation during a large staff meeting. Derek Ingalls, now head of the technology department, was asked why his former boss had left. Ingalls told a brief story that concluded with a strange piece of advice: “Don’t sleep with your assistant. But if you’re going to sleep with your assistant, don’t stop.” “It is absolutely a rock-star mentality, and it touched almost every aspect of Blizzard culture,” said Christina Mikkonen, who worked at the company from 2013 to 2019. “These developers were untouchable. Not only could they tell you how to do your job, but they had so much power, they could do whatever they want in line of sight with their other powerful friends.” But people who worked for Morhaime said his warm leadership style could be a blind spot. Some said he was shielded from the misbehavior or that he gave offenders the benefit of the doubt, extended them too many chances or let them walk over him. In a private Facebook post reviewed by Bloomberg, a former assistant to Morhaime wrote that she had informed him and other executives about rampant misconduct. Technology staff sometimes got drunk during work hours or showed up hungover; they vomited in trash cans and held after-work hazing rituals where new recruits were expected to take shots of liquor every half hour, former employees recalled. Finally, in 2019, Blizzard enacted a “two-drink maximum” at after-work functions to stave off some of the problems and cut down on drunk driving. Some Blizzard staff refer to Activision as the Eye of Sauron. With budget cuts constantly looming, managers of each department have jockeyed for resources. As a result, some are reluctant to report internal problems and risk drawing unwanted attention to their teams from corporate overlords, current employees said. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15689 Posts
On August 07 2021 03:37 Zambrah wrote: Schreier has a new article, A nice condensation of major beats of the issues and some info on why Blizzard had developed the kind of culture it did. Some new info too, seems like a former probable successor to Morhaime got the boot for something like sleeping with his assistant, Activision making working at Blizzard shittier via tighter deadlines and making people less likely to speak up about problems lest they draw budget cuts to their project. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-08-06/activision-blizzard-atvi-news-culture-of-misbehavior-festered-before-lawsuit Great example of how cutting corners has unintended consequences. Management tried to make their lives easier and essentially ruined the company. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7302 Posts
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Silvanel
Poland4730 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15689 Posts
On August 07 2021 04:19 Silvanel wrote: Read the article, what I find dubious is this constant mentioning of men-to-women ratio. I don't think this is a contributing factor, this is just a feature of the industry. Every IT company has huge numerical predominance of men, this just the way it is. In my company, the ratio is something like 9-1, but we don't have frat party culture, drinking at work. If the ratio was the cause of abuse, then the entire industry would look like Blizzard, but it does not. Yeah it is nonsense. Every technology company is in the same boat. | ||
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StalkerTL
212 Posts
On August 07 2021 04:19 Silvanel wrote: Read the article, what I find dubious is this constant mentioning of men-to-women ratio. I don't think this is a contributing factor, this is just a feature of the industry. Every IT company has huge numerical predominance of men, this just the way it is. In my company, the ratio is something like 9-1, but we don't have frat party culture, drinking at work. If the ratio was the cause of abuse, then the entire industry would look like Blizzard, but it does not. Because there's a major difference between most other IT companies, which have better working conditions, rights, pay and reputation, and the games industry, which just cannot stop with the abuse of working conditions, rights, pay and reputation for sexual harassment. Stories of this stuff is just rampant through the games industry, people I know have left the games industry for the IT service industry because of how shitty everything is. They're basically different industries despite both being theoretically IT. The gender issue and the type of person the games industry attracts into their workforce go hand in hand. I mean how many IT companies have a Playboy spread of a female video game character framed in their office where they work? I wouldn't say many but apparently CD Projekt Red thinks that's a good idea and its really doubtful that anyone but an emotionally childish and socially awkward male would think that. | ||
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