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On April 08 2024 04:55 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2024 04:43 Gorsameth wrote:On April 08 2024 04:25 WombaT wrote:On April 08 2024 02:57 Elroi wrote:
It makes a lot of sense. Hezbollah has huge capabilities in Lebanon and Syria. Around 100 000 Israelis are already displaced from the northern border because of the threat. Israel has also, historically speaking, had more success when being proactive (ie, the six day war) than being reactive (Jom kippur, oct 7). Aye, I mean war full stop isn’t any kind of desirable state of affairs of course. But despite my heavy misgivings on how the Gazan conflict is being waged I can’t really find this particular move objectionable at all. You think Netanyahu expanding the conflict for his own personal/political goals isn't objectionable? International pressure following the strike on the aid convoy is slowing down the Gaza operation and could force it to end entirely so he goes and opens up another front to keep Israel in a state of war, which he needs to stay in power. (lets be clear, I have nothing against Israel striking Hezbollah, assuming they aim to minimize civilian casualties, my issue is with why Netanyahu is doing this now) It looks more like it was always the plan. Get rid of Hamas, take some strikes at high level Iranians when available and then move on to dismantling the rest of Iran's proxy armies/Axis of resistance. Maybe it is sped up some weeks or months, but isn't giving Gaza at least a break what everyone here was clamoring for? He could have given Gaza a break without opening another front...
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On April 08 2024 05:07 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2024 05:01 Gorsameth wrote:On April 08 2024 04:55 JimmiC wrote:On April 08 2024 04:43 Gorsameth wrote:On April 08 2024 04:25 WombaT wrote:On April 08 2024 02:57 Elroi wrote:
It makes a lot of sense. Hezbollah has huge capabilities in Lebanon and Syria. Around 100 000 Israelis are already displaced from the northern border because of the threat. Israel has also, historically speaking, had more success when being proactive (ie, the six day war) than being reactive (Jom kippur, oct 7). Aye, I mean war full stop isn’t any kind of desirable state of affairs of course. But despite my heavy misgivings on how the Gazan conflict is being waged I can’t really find this particular move objectionable at all. You think Netanyahu expanding the conflict for his own personal/political goals isn't objectionable? International pressure following the strike on the aid convoy is slowing down the Gaza operation and could force it to end entirely so he goes and opens up another front to keep Israel in a state of war, which he needs to stay in power. (lets be clear, I have nothing against Israel striking Hezbollah, assuming they aim to minimize civilian casualties, my issue is with why Netanyahu is doing this now) It looks more like it was always the plan. Get rid of Hamas, take some strikes at high level Iranians when available and then move on to dismantling the rest of Iran's proxy armies/Axis of resistance. Maybe it is sped up some weeks or months, but isn't giving Gaza at least a break what everyone here was clamoring for? He could have given Gaza a break without opening another front... Sure, but that wouldn't force Hezbollah to follow the UN ruling or protect his country from rocket attacks, or allow his displaced people back to their homes.
Or keep him in power longer.
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On April 07 2024 19:11 Magic Powers wrote:
Isn't it remarkable how Hamas managed to draw so much positive attention to the Palestinian suffering despite only killing 0.012% of Israeli people? It's but a scratch in the Israeli population! Finally Palestinians have a future to look forward to thanks to rapidly growing international support, and virtually no one had to die for it.
It's just so unfortunate that Israel is the literal demonic evil hell-bent on destroying the entire Arabic world, and we must support Hamas in their holy cause that will save the world.
Faulty math is a commonly used tool of apologists and fanatics. We need to be better than that and not fall into the same mental trap.
I know that you're partially saying these things sarcastically, but it's also kind of the point that needs to be made. People siding with Palestine are rewarding terrorism. They're telling every fanatic around the world that they can go on a rape, murder, and hostage taking spree and get rewarded for it.
When pressed, people in this thread will say how much they dislike Hamas while at the same time pushing policies that reward Hamas for being genocidal maniacs. It doesn't make sense. Stop rewarding Hamas or at least be open and honest that you side with Hamas's terrorism. Be open that you approve of rape, murder, and kidnapping as a means to get what you want... so long as it happens to the right minority. Because that's what you're doing even while you decry the violence. You can't eat your cake and have it too.
I think differently. Every Palestinian death is the fault of Hamas. The international community needs to stop with its bullshit and place the blame squarely where it needs to go, on Hamas. I know the international community is too cowardly to directly punish Hamas, just as they won't do anything real to stop Russia from invading Ukraine. However, they can at least make it known that Hamas will be blamed for everything and give Israel carte blanche to do whatever it takes to hold Hamas responsible. Punish terrorism.
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On April 08 2024 04:43 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2024 04:25 WombaT wrote:On April 08 2024 02:57 Elroi wrote:
It makes a lot of sense. Hezbollah has huge capabilities in Lebanon and Syria. Around 100 000 Israelis are already displaced from the northern border because of the threat. Israel has also, historically speaking, had more success when being proactive (ie, the six day war) than being reactive (Jom kippur, oct 7). Aye, I mean war full stop isn’t any kind of desirable state of affairs of course. But despite my heavy misgivings on how the Gazan conflict is being waged I can’t really find this particular move objectionable at all. You think Netanyahu expanding the conflict for his own personal/political goals isn't objectionable? International pressure following the strike on the aid convoy is slowing down the Gaza operation and could force it to end entirely so he goes and opens up another front to keep Israel in a state of war, which he needs to stay in power. (lets be clear, I have nothing against Israel striking Hezbollah, assuming they aim to minimize civilian casualties, my issue is with why Netanyahu is doing this now)
Yeah I’d share your opinion here. In a vacuum I don’t have a huge issue with it, equally it does feel a very self-interested move on Netanyahu’s part given his increasingly spiralling unpopularity.
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On April 08 2024 05:36 RenSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2024 19:11 Magic Powers wrote:
Isn't it remarkable how Hamas managed to draw so much positive attention to the Palestinian suffering despite only killing 0.012% of Israeli people? It's but a scratch in the Israeli population! Finally Palestinians have a future to look forward to thanks to rapidly growing international support, and virtually no one had to die for it.
It's just so unfortunate that Israel is the literal demonic evil hell-bent on destroying the entire Arabic world, and we must support Hamas in their holy cause that will save the world.
Faulty math is a commonly used tool of apologists and fanatics. We need to be better than that and not fall into the same mental trap. I know that you're partially saying these things sarcastically, but it's also kind of the point that needs to be made. People siding with Palestine are rewarding terrorism. They're telling every fanatic around the world that they can go on a rape, murder, and hostage taking spree and get rewarded for it. When pressed, people in this thread will say how much they dislike Hamas while at the same time pushing policies that reward Hamas for being genocidal maniacs. It doesn't make sense. Stop rewarding Hamas or at least be open and honest that you side with Hamas's terrorism. Be open that you approve of rape, murder, and kidnapping as a means to get what you want... so long as it happens to the right minority. Because that's what you're doing even while you decry the violence. You can't eat your cake and have it too. I think differently. Every Palestinian death is the fault of Hamas. The international community needs to stop with its bullshit and place the blame squarely where it needs to go, on Hamas. I know the international community is too cowardly to directly punish Hamas, just as they won't do anything real to stop Russia from invading Ukraine. However, they can at least make it known that Hamas will be blamed for everything and give Israel carte blanche to do whatever it takes to hold Hamas responsible. Punish terrorism.
Sure. If only this sort of black and white thinking wouldn't lead to tens of thousands of people dead, and if only it wouldn't lead to Israel getting away with ethnic cleansing in the West bank. If only, then I might agree with you. But that's not the reality, and I'll never sacrifice my understanding of reality just to please my ideological predispositions.
In reality the Palestinian deaths from this point forward and since roughly November 2023 are mostly the fault of Israel. Hamas is at fault for the deaths of Israelis and for a small portion of Palestinian deaths in Gaza. You'll have to provide much stronger reasoning to change my mind.
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On April 08 2024 05:36 RenSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2024 19:11 Magic Powers wrote:
Isn't it remarkable how Hamas managed to draw so much positive attention to the Palestinian suffering despite only killing 0.012% of Israeli people? It's but a scratch in the Israeli population! Finally Palestinians have a future to look forward to thanks to rapidly growing international support, and virtually no one had to die for it.
It's just so unfortunate that Israel is the literal demonic evil hell-bent on destroying the entire Arabic world, and we must support Hamas in their holy cause that will save the world.
Faulty math is a commonly used tool of apologists and fanatics. We need to be better than that and not fall into the same mental trap. I know that you're partially saying these things sarcastically, but it's also kind of the point that needs to be made. People siding with Palestine are rewarding terrorism. They're telling every fanatic around the world that they can go on a rape, murder, and hostage taking spree and get rewarded for it.
Describe the reward.
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On April 08 2024 05:36 RenSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2024 19:11 Magic Powers wrote:
Isn't it remarkable how Hamas managed to draw so much positive attention to the Palestinian suffering despite only killing 0.012% of Israeli people? It's but a scratch in the Israeli population! Finally Palestinians have a future to look forward to thanks to rapidly growing international support, and virtually no one had to die for it.
It's just so unfortunate that Israel is the literal demonic evil hell-bent on destroying the entire Arabic world, and we must support Hamas in their holy cause that will save the world.
Faulty math is a commonly used tool of apologists and fanatics. We need to be better than that and not fall into the same mental trap. I know that you're partially saying these things sarcastically, but it's also kind of the point that needs to be made. People siding with Palestine are rewarding terrorism. They're telling every fanatic around the world that they can go on a rape, murder, and hostage taking spree and get rewarded for it. When pressed, people in this thread will say how much they dislike Hamas while at the same time pushing policies that reward Hamas for being genocidal maniacs. It doesn't make sense. Stop rewarding Hamas or at least be open and honest that you side with Hamas's terrorism. Be open that you approve of rape, murder, and kidnapping as a means to get what you want... so long as it happens to the right minority. Because that's what you're doing even while you decry the violence. You can't eat your cake and have it too. I think differently. Every Palestinian death is the fault of Hamas. The international community needs to stop with its bullshit and place the blame squarely where it needs to go, on Hamas. I know the international community is too cowardly to directly punish Hamas, just as they won't do anything real to stop Russia from invading Ukraine. However, they can at least make it known that Hamas will be blamed for everything and give Israel carte blanche to do whatever it takes to hold Hamas responsible. Punish terrorism.
if your government solves a hostage taking Situation by Terrorist by blowing up the building, killing all the hostages, are you blaming all deaths on the terrorists?
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On April 07 2024 20:03 Elroi wrote:
lol I said that urban warfare is always extremely deadly and asked if some one knew an example where it had been any less deadly than in this so called “unprecedented” “genocidal campaign”. I wasn’t comparing this with grozny to make Israel look good; someone brought up grozny as an example of a less deadly urban siege (which it obviously isn’t).
Edit: you're right, that was unnecessary. I'll edit that.
Significantly fewer people died during siege of Grozny than during the current events in Gaza, so how was it not less deadly?
On April 08 2024 05:36 RenSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2024 19:11 Magic Powers wrote:
Isn't it remarkable how Hamas managed to draw so much positive attention to the Palestinian suffering despite only killing 0.012% of Israeli people? It's but a scratch in the Israeli population! Finally Palestinians have a future to look forward to thanks to rapidly growing international support, and virtually no one had to die for it.
It's just so unfortunate that Israel is the literal demonic evil hell-bent on destroying the entire Arabic world, and we must support Hamas in their holy cause that will save the world.
Faulty math is a commonly used tool of apologists and fanatics. We need to be better than that and not fall into the same mental trap. I know that you're partially saying these things sarcastically, but it's also kind of the point that needs to be made. People siding with Palestine are rewarding terrorism. They're telling every fanatic around the world that they can go on a rape, murder, and hostage taking spree and get rewarded for it. When pressed, people in this thread will say how much they dislike Hamas while at the same time pushing policies that reward Hamas for being genocidal maniacs. It doesn't make sense. Stop rewarding Hamas or at least be open and honest that you side with Hamas's terrorism. Be open that you approve of rape, murder, and kidnapping as a means to get what you want... so long as it happens to the right minority. Because that's what you're doing even while you decry the violence. You can't eat your cake and have it too. I think differently. Every Palestinian death is the fault of Hamas. The international community needs to stop with its bullshit and place the blame squarely where it needs to go, on Hamas. I know the international community is too cowardly to directly punish Hamas, just as they won't do anything real to stop Russia from invading Ukraine. However, they can at least make it known that Hamas will be blamed for everything and give Israel carte blanche to do whatever it takes to hold Hamas responsible. Punish terrorism.
While we're on the subject of holding folks responsible, when are you going to start holding Israel responsible for their illegal colonization programs? The unlawful arrests and pogroms, the constant killings of civilians, journalists, and aid workers?
You're acting as if Israel and Palestine were peacefully living side-by-side until one day Hamas showed up and ruined everything. That's not what happened. And whatever you think about which party is more to blame for the conflict, the idea that killing tens of thousands of people and turning entire cities to rubble is just 'punishing terrorism' is fucking insane. I don't want Israel to stop killing people because I love terrorists. I want Israel to stop killing people because killing people is wrong.
If they truly wanted to 'punish terrorists', they have Mossad and I'm sure CIA or MI5 or whatever could lend a hand in going after the sources of funds and planning (most of which aren't even in Gaza). But it doesn't seem like they actually want to do that, so I just have to assume they aren't actually interested in 'punishing terrorism' all that much.
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On April 08 2024 15:21 Broetchenholer wrote:
if your government solves a hostage taking Situation by Terrorist by blowing up the building, killing all the hostages, are you blaming all deaths on the terrorists?
Yes, of course. That doesn't mean it's the best option, but the fault would certainly be with the hostage takers. The government is responsible for doing what they can to get those hostages back so blowing them up in the process would be stupid, but better options are not always available. If the choice is to let the hostage takers have what they want, then you'll just end up with more hostages than you began with as they'll do it again and again. Better to let those hostages die while taking out the terrorists.
The only caveat would be if the hostages were not in any mortal danger from the hostage takers, but that doesn't apply here as Hamas clearly has no issues killing people.
On April 08 2024 15:09 Nebuchad wrote:
Describe the reward.
One of their goals is a independent Palestine. There is now a strong international push for an independent Palestine. It hasn't happened yet, so they haven't gotten a reward yet. Giving them that reward would be a huge mistake. It must fail for quite a long time, at least a couple decades, before we can separate this incident from any future independence for Palestine.
On April 08 2024 06:12 Magic Powers wrote:
Sure. If only this sort of black and white thinking wouldn't lead to tens of thousands of people dead, and if only it wouldn't lead to Israel getting away with ethnic cleansing in the West bank. If only, then I might agree with you. But that's not the reality, and I'll never sacrifice my understanding of reality just to please my ideological predispositions.
In reality the Palestinian deaths from this point forward and since roughly November 2023 are mostly the fault of Israel. Hamas is at fault for the deaths of Israelis and for a small portion of Palestinian deaths in Gaza. You'll have to provide much stronger reasoning to change my mind.
Hamas still has hostages. Hamas still hasn't surrendered. This war was started by Hamas and continues because Hamas refuses to surrender. Until they do, every death as a result of this war is their fault. Once they surrender, then the onus will be on Israel to be merciful and deaths past that point will be on them.
On April 08 2024 16:13 Salazarz wrote:
While we're on the subject of holding folks responsible, when are you going to start holding Israel responsible for their illegal colonization programs? The unlawful arrests and pogroms, the constant killings of civilians, journalists, and aid workers?
You're acting as if Israel and Palestine were peacefully living side-by-side until one day Hamas showed up and ruined everything. That's not what happened. And whatever you think about which party is more to blame for the conflict, the idea that killing tens of thousands of people and turning entire cities to rubble is just 'punishing terrorism' is fucking insane. I don't want Israel to stop killing people because I love terrorists. I want Israel to stop killing people because killing people is wrong.
If they truly wanted to 'punish terrorists', they have Mossad and I'm sure CIA or MI5 or whatever could lend a hand in going after the sources of funds and planning (most of which aren't even in Gaza). But it doesn't seem like they actually want to do that, so I just have to assume they aren't actually interested in 'punishing terrorism' all that much.
Illegal colonization? According to who? The UN? What right does the UN have to say what is legal and illegal? When the UN declared their partition plan and Israelis followed the UN's plan for their independence, where was the UN? Where was the UN when foreign fighters from many middle eastern countries swarmed into Israel to attempt to commit genocide? Where was the UN when those same fighters got beaten and then went back to their own countries and ethnically cleansed them instead?
Where is the UN now when Russia invades Ukraine and commits numerous "war crimes" there? Where has the UN been during many of the African genocides that have occurred since the UN's inception? Where were they when Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons on the Kurds? Where have they been during all the numerous examples of people committing "war crimes" and other international crimes?
The UN is not a legitimate ruling body. Their decrees mean nothing as the UN is not willing to enforce those decrees. The UN does serve one good function and that is as a centralized location for ambassadors to meet and attempt to make deals between countries. That is it. Their laws aren't worth the paper they're written on.
Getting too long, I'll try to reign it in. I don't act as if Israel and Palestine have lived peacefully side by side. The Palestinians have wanted a genocide since the inception of Israel. That's why they allied with foreign fighters to commit genocide against their own neighbors. That's why they keep saying they want a genocide. That's why they elected Hamas (who is openly genocidal) as their representatives. The Palestinians have been itching for this war for a long time. They just thought it would go the opposite way as God was going to protect them or something.
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On April 08 2024 17:01 RenSC2 wrote:
One of their goals is a independent Palestine. There is now a strong international push for an independent Palestine. It hasn't happened yet, so they haven't gotten a reward yet. Giving them that reward would be a huge mistake. It must fail for quite a long time, at least a couple decades, before we can separate this incident from any future independence for Palestine.
In some people's eyes this is seen as fundamental human rights, rather than something that you can withhold for a couple decades as collective punishment for bad behavior. The issue that I see there is that those people that you're talking about couldn't be fucked to side with Palestinians before Oct 7th, rather than that they're siding with them now.
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I could probably accommodate the remaining hostages in my domicile right now. Might be a bit cramped mind, but I probably could.
On the other side of the ledger we’ve how many dead?
I think it’s perfectly reasonable not to reward Palestinians with certain things so long as Hamas remains in its current form as a governing entity.
Equally do I think that settlement expansion would cease in the absence of Hamas? Strikes me as unlikely. If a magic wand just excised them from the equation would we see some kind of peaceful 2 state solution emerge? Again I’m somewhat doubtful on that, given the general Israeli appetite for hawkish nationalism in recent times.
International sympathy with Palestinians only exists because of Israeli actions. It’s largely divorced entirely from any kind of agreement with Hamas’ actions, and for those who do cross over into such territory I personally cannot overstress the distance I would like to put between us.
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On April 08 2024 17:01 RenSC2 wrote:
Illegal colonization? According to who? The UN? What right does the UN have to say what is legal and illegal? When the UN declared their partition plan and Israelis followed the UN's plan for their independence, where was the UN? Where was the UN when foreign fighters from many middle eastern countries swarmed into Israel to attempt to commit genocide? Where was the UN when those same fighters got beaten and then went back to their own countries and ethnically cleansed them instead?
Where is the UN now when Russia invades Ukraine and commits numerous "war crimes" there? Where has the UN been during many of the African genocides that have occurred since the UN's inception? Where were they when Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons on the Kurds? Where have they been during all the numerous examples of people committing "war crimes" and other international crimes?
The UN is not a legitimate ruling body. Their decrees mean nothing as the UN is not willing to enforce those decrees. The UN does serve one good function and that is as a centralized location for ambassadors to meet and attempt to make deals between countries. That is it. Their laws aren't worth the paper they're written on.
Getting too long, I'll try to reign it in. I don't act as if Israel and Palestine have lived peacefully side by side. The Palestinians have wanted a genocide since the inception of Israel. That's why they allied with foreign fighters to commit genocide against their own neighbors. That's why they keep saying they want a genocide. That's why they elected Hamas (who is openly genocidal) as their representatives. The Palestinians have been itching for this war for a long time. They just thought it would go the opposite way as God was going to protect them or something.
You should consider reading a bit more about how (and at whose expense) the state of Israel was created; how various Zionist groups behaved during that time; how the state of Israel has treated various independence movements in Palestine and what role Israel's leadership played in Hamas' rise to prominence. We've had this whole 'Israel just wants to be left alone' and 'Bad Hamas wants genocide' conversation half a dozen times in this thread already and it's honestly tiresome at this point.
Also, I'm not sure if you're aware of this but Russia is a literal pariah state due to their actions and Saddam Hussein ended up getting hanged. I'm not holding my breath to see the same end for Bibi any time soon.
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Are you actually not aware that your opinion is considered extremely radical? You're arguing that any number of innocent deaths is excusable if it leads to the death of terrorists holding people hostage. This includes the deaths of women and children, it makes no distinction between locals and foreigners, etc.
Even most racists wouldn't agree with you.
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Hyperbole yes, but if you can ignore all collateral damage, then any suicide bombing including 9 11 is a net positive.
By western standards I would have hoped people talked about damage not just by lives lost by this stage of the game and how the numbers are released by Hamas and therefore not trustworthy.
If I bombed your home, bombed your community, bombed your work place then told you to run around in random shapes to avoid my next target. That's pretty close to killing you I would say, never mind the denial of food part. But don't worry, if you survive there's some form of insurance right? You just might not qualify after all the red tape.
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On April 08 2024 05:36 RenSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2024 19:11 Magic Powers wrote:
Isn't it remarkable how Hamas managed to draw so much positive attention to the Palestinian suffering despite only killing 0.012% of Israeli people? It's but a scratch in the Israeli population! Finally Palestinians have a future to look forward to thanks to rapidly growing international support, and virtually no one had to die for it.
It's just so unfortunate that Israel is the literal demonic evil hell-bent on destroying the entire Arabic world, and we must support Hamas in their holy cause that will save the world.
Faulty math is a commonly used tool of apologists and fanatics. We need to be better than that and not fall into the same mental trap. I know that you're partially saying these things sarcastically, but it's also kind of the point that needs to be made. People siding with Palestine are rewarding terrorism. They're telling every fanatic around the world that they can go on a rape, murder, and hostage taking spree and get rewarded for it. When pressed, people in this thread will say how much they dislike Hamas while at the same time pushing policies that reward Hamas for being genocidal maniacs. It doesn't make sense. Stop rewarding Hamas or at least be open and honest that you side with Hamas's terrorism. Be open that you approve of rape, murder, and kidnapping as a means to get what you want... so long as it happens to the right minority. Because that's what you're doing even while you decry the violence. You can't eat your cake and have it too. I think differently. Every Palestinian death is the fault of Hamas. The international community needs to stop with its bullshit and place the blame squarely where it needs to go, on Hamas. I know the international community is too cowardly to directly punish Hamas, just as they won't do anything real to stop Russia from invading Ukraine. However, they can at least make it known that Hamas will be blamed for everything and give Israel carte blanche to do whatever it takes to hold Hamas responsible. Punish terrorism.
The israelis are genocidal maniac since the ethnic cleasing of 1948. Their contemporan policies of destroying muslim place is linked to the thousands of palestinians jailed without judgment while tsahal is getting away with murdering hundred of palestinians every years including two years old without any consequences way before the 07/10.
You're of them as well by the way with your carte blanche stuff, I suppose you're denying the israeli induced famine in gaza as well.
It's weird, every advocate for genocide always end up being a negationnist in the end.
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On April 08 2024 22:09 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2024 21:50 stilt wrote:On April 08 2024 05:36 RenSC2 wrote:On April 07 2024 19:11 Magic Powers wrote:
Isn't it remarkable how Hamas managed to draw so much positive attention to the Palestinian suffering despite only killing 0.012% of Israeli people? It's but a scratch in the Israeli population! Finally Palestinians have a future to look forward to thanks to rapidly growing international support, and virtually no one had to die for it.
It's just so unfortunate that Israel is the literal demonic evil hell-bent on destroying the entire Arabic world, and we must support Hamas in their holy cause that will save the world.
Faulty math is a commonly used tool of apologists and fanatics. We need to be better than that and not fall into the same mental trap. I know that you're partially saying these things sarcastically, but it's also kind of the point that needs to be made. People siding with Palestine are rewarding terrorism. They're telling every fanatic around the world that they can go on a rape, murder, and hostage taking spree and get rewarded for it. When pressed, people in this thread will say how much they dislike Hamas while at the same time pushing policies that reward Hamas for being genocidal maniacs. It doesn't make sense. Stop rewarding Hamas or at least be open and honest that you side with Hamas's terrorism. Be open that you approve of rape, murder, and kidnapping as a means to get what you want... so long as it happens to the right minority. Because that's what you're doing even while you decry the violence. You can't eat your cake and have it too. I think differently. Every Palestinian death is the fault of Hamas. The international community needs to stop with its bullshit and place the blame squarely where it needs to go, on Hamas. I know the international community is too cowardly to directly punish Hamas, just as they won't do anything real to stop Russia from invading Ukraine. However, they can at least make it known that Hamas will be blamed for everything and give Israel carte blanche to do whatever it takes to hold Hamas responsible. Punish terrorism. The israelis are genocidal maniac since the ethnic cleasing of 1948. Their contemporan policies of destroying muslim place is linked to the thousands of palestinians jailed without judgment while tsahal is getting away with murdering hundred of palestinians every years including two years old without any consequences way before the 07/10. You're of them as well by the way with your carte blanche stuff, I suppose you're denying the israeli induced famine in gaza as well. It's weird, every advocate for genocide always end up being a negationnist in the end. Wowza, just leading off post with full fledged antisemitism. At least when you take the mask off we don’t have to guess any more. History, for non antisemitic people is not really this one sided or black and white. They were actually being gassed in Europe during this decade, actually being systematically exterminated with the intent to remove them all from existence. You know, actual genocide.
+ Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuQkqCjt_78
A Jew having close to the same opinion to stilt while still calling antisemitism a crime.
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On April 08 2024 22:09 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2024 21:50 stilt wrote:On April 08 2024 05:36 RenSC2 wrote:On April 07 2024 19:11 Magic Powers wrote:
Isn't it remarkable how Hamas managed to draw so much positive attention to the Palestinian suffering despite only killing 0.012% of Israeli people? It's but a scratch in the Israeli population! Finally Palestinians have a future to look forward to thanks to rapidly growing international support, and virtually no one had to die for it.
It's just so unfortunate that Israel is the literal demonic evil hell-bent on destroying the entire Arabic world, and we must support Hamas in their holy cause that will save the world.
Faulty math is a commonly used tool of apologists and fanatics. We need to be better than that and not fall into the same mental trap. I know that you're partially saying these things sarcastically, but it's also kind of the point that needs to be made. People siding with Palestine are rewarding terrorism. They're telling every fanatic around the world that they can go on a rape, murder, and hostage taking spree and get rewarded for it. When pressed, people in this thread will say how much they dislike Hamas while at the same time pushing policies that reward Hamas for being genocidal maniacs. It doesn't make sense. Stop rewarding Hamas or at least be open and honest that you side with Hamas's terrorism. Be open that you approve of rape, murder, and kidnapping as a means to get what you want... so long as it happens to the right minority. Because that's what you're doing even while you decry the violence. You can't eat your cake and have it too. I think differently. Every Palestinian death is the fault of Hamas. The international community needs to stop with its bullshit and place the blame squarely where it needs to go, on Hamas. I know the international community is too cowardly to directly punish Hamas, just as they won't do anything real to stop Russia from invading Ukraine. However, they can at least make it known that Hamas will be blamed for everything and give Israel carte blanche to do whatever it takes to hold Hamas responsible. Punish terrorism. The israelis are genocidal maniac since the ethnic cleasing of 1948. Their contemporan policies of destroying muslim place is linked to the thousands of palestinians jailed without judgment while tsahal is getting away with murdering hundred of palestinians every years including two years old without any consequences way before the 07/10. You're of them as well by the way with your carte blanche stuff, I suppose you're denying the israeli induced famine in gaza as well. It's weird, every advocate for genocide always end up being a negationnist in the end. Wowza, just leading off post with full fledged antisemitism. At least when you take the mask off we don’t have to guess any more. History, for non antisemitic people is not really this one sided or black and white. They were actually being gassed in Europe during this decade, actually being systematically exterminated with the intent to remove them all from existence. You know, actual genocide.
So because Jews were being gassed in Europe during WW2 they should be allowed to colonize and terrorize other peoples with impunity, and anyone who thinks otherwise is an antisemite?
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EPT
