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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
They are demanding the republican secretary of state for GA resign because he wasn't "transparent" enough. Everyone is pointing out this is nonsense : 1. GA has had by far the most transparent voting process of all swing states. 2. GA's vote margin really doesn't matter anymore The Secretary of State's response tells them to screw off, basically. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10569 Posts
On November 10 2020 08:18 Nevuk wrote: The two GA runoff candidates for the GOP - Kelly Loeffler of the "oops, I didn't mean to insider trade on COVID, I swear it was my financial manager" and David Perdue of the "Kamalalama whatever" fame are now coming out full throatedly behind Trump's cries of fraud. They are demanding the republican secretary of state for GA resign because he wasn't "transparent" enough. Everyone is pointing out this is nonsense : 1. GA has had by far the most transparent voting process of all swing states. 2. GA's vote margin really doesn't matter anymore https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1325899469947367425 The Secretary of State's response tells them to screw off, basically. https://twitter.com/bluestein/status/1325910990735740928 If this stuff can torpedo their runoff campaigns, I would be so happy. Fuck anyone who thinks this election wasn't valid. Republicans are making it harder and harder for moderates to ever want to vote for them for another several years. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22663 Posts
On November 10 2020 09:13 Mohdoo wrote: The election has happened and McConnell's seat is safe for now. He has practically nothing to lose by sticking with Trump for now.McConnell not recognizing Biden's victory is worrying because it makes me think he sees an actual path to Trump remaining president. Am I living in an echo chamber or is that totally nuts and not happening? No one will care in 6 years. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19393 Posts
On November 10 2020 09:08 Zambrah wrote: I had heard Barr and McConnell had met earlier, glad to see it was for something as nefarious as one would expect from Barr and McConnell joining forces. Kind of surprised McConnell is involved though, makes me wonder what the Republican party's strategy re Trump is actually going to be. I wish we had more power in choosing speaker of the house or the semester majority/minority leader. Those heads are usually the ones there long enough to have power to choke anyone else out. I’d love term limits just so we can get a new conservative leader in senate. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On November 10 2020 09:13 Mohdoo wrote: McConnell not recognizing Biden's victory is worrying because it makes me think he sees an actual path to Trump remaining president. Am I living in an echo chamber or is that totally nuts and not happening? There is nothing that extends Trump's possible tenure in the White House beyond winning this election. His time as President has an expiration date built in, so if there's one final institution standing in his way it's the very nature of the transfer and holding of power. This is absolutely not to say they won't try something. Just that it will fly in the face of everything this country has built to stop despotic grabs for power. It will be illegal and unconstitutional, blatantly. It will be up to everyone else to remind them of that. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19393 Posts
On November 10 2020 09:13 FlaShFTW wrote: If this stuff can torpedo their runoff campaigns, I would be so happy. Fuck anyone who thinks this election wasn't valid. Republicans are making it harder and harder for moderates to ever want to vote for them for another several years. Republicans just spent the last year trying to prove Trump winning was a valid election. It’s tiresome when either side claims the election was rigged or invalid. That being said, I do hope positives can come from the lawsuits. In Florida, after DeSantis won, he still launched an investigation into a few precincts where there was a massive scandal and the woman in charge was forced out thank god. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On November 10 2020 09:16 BisuDagger wrote: I wish we had more power in choosing speaker of the house or the semester majority/minority leader. Those heads are usually the ones there long enough to have power to choke anyone else out. I’d love term limits just so we can get a new conservative leader in senate. Yeah, Im pretty sure our institutions aren't really able to handle what were seeing out of modern politics and this ability to choke out the government so hard is a real problem. Max number of terms able to be served would be nice, | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19393 Posts
On November 10 2020 09:22 Zambrah wrote: Yeah, Im pretty sure our institutions aren't really able to handle what were seeing out of modern politics and this ability to choke out the government so hard is a real problem. Max number of terms able to be served would be nice, We should pay them minimum wage and a bonus based on their approval rating at the end of each year. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22663 Posts
On November 10 2020 09:16 BisuDagger wrote: Something as simple as a law that requires any bill passed from the House to the Senate (and visa versa) to be voted on within X days would go a long way.I wish we had more power in choosing speaker of the house or the semester majority/minority leader. Those heads are usually the ones there long enough to have power to choke anyone else out. I’d love term limits just so we can get a new conservative leader in senate. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On November 10 2020 09:28 BisuDagger wrote: We should pay them minimum wage and a bonus based on their approval rating at the end of each year. Bare assed minimum we should stop letting them raise their own pay, I mean good god, who thought letting them raise their own pay was a good idea... | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On November 10 2020 09:34 Zambrah wrote: Bare assed minimum we should stop letting them raise their own pay, I mean good god, who thought letting them raise their own pay was a good idea... The same people who thought letting them change the size of their own chambers was a good idea (ie, just another dumb constitutional relic) I don't bemoan them being being paid well, as it does help attract better quality candidates. The larger issue is the intangible financial benefits- like how they all have suspiciously, impossibly well performing stocks. A better way would be to tie their income to COL and make it really hard to adjust. Should flat out be illegal to invest in public stocks and be a member of congress or president, IMO. A drastic but fair step would be to suspend ALL income of any member of congress (from any source at all) if a government shutdown occurs. It's their fault, they have to fix it, and they have 0 motivation to do so currently. Noted "fair and balanced" partisan hack Bill Barr has announced that he is opening an investigation into widespread allegations of voter fraud. Yes, they're widespread, but 0 evidence so far. Just shouting something a lot doesn't make it real. Per NY Daily News reporter. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
On November 10 2020 09:34 Zambrah wrote: Bare assed minimum we should stop letting them raise their own pay, I mean good god, who thought letting them raise their own pay was a good idea... If it was indexed to some multiple of median wage in USA, they'd have some incentive to improve the lives of the average person. The median wage according to google is $33,706. 5.5x that would be 185k, a bit over what they earn now. If it was fixed there (They get a one-time increase), but indexed there from then onwards, I think most people would think that's quite fair. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On November 10 2020 09:47 Nevuk wrote: The same people who thought letting them change the size of their own chambers was a good idea (ie, just another dumb constitutional relic) I don't bemoan them being being paid well, as it does help attract better quality candidates. The larger issue is the intangible financial benefits- like how they all have suspiciously, impossibly well performing stocks. A better way would be to tie their income to COL and make it really hard to adjust. Should flat out be illegal to invest in public stocks and be a member of congress or president, IMO. A drastic but fair step would be to suspend ALL income of any member of congress (from any source at all) if a government shutdown occurs. It's their fault, they have to fix it, and they have 0 motivation to do so currently. Noted "fair and balanced" partisan hack Bill Barr has announced that he is opening an investigation into widespread allegations of voter fraud. Yes, they're widespread, but 0 evidence so far. Just shouting something a lot doesn't make it real. Per NY Daily News reporter. https://twitter.com/C_Sommerfeldt/status/1325955378924883973 This sounds way more reasonable and measured than I expected. Basically says "look into stuff that seems downright bad, but ignore all the weird little things. And don't be partisan. Be careful about what you investigate, if you investigate anything." | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On November 10 2020 09:51 Lmui wrote: If it was indexed to some multiple of median wage in USA, they'd have some incentive to improve the lives of the average person. The median wage according to google is $33,706. 5.5x that would be 185k, a bit over what they earn now. If it was fixed there (They get a one-time increase), but indexed there from then onwards, I think most people would think that's quite fair. It likely has to be combined with things like Nevuk mentioned, we cannot have our elected officials having stake in private businesses and stocks and shit. Of course the hard part of all of this is how in the hell would anything like this ever pass given the people who have to approve are the people specifically targeted by it lol | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On November 10 2020 09:53 Mohdoo wrote: This sounds way more reasonable and measured than I expected. Basically says "look into stuff that seems downright bad, but ignore all the weird little things. And don't be partisan. Be careful about what you investigate, if you investigate anything." True, but no one should take anything Barr says at face value after the Mueller report, which was found in court to have been redacted on a partisan basis by Barr (not even touching his ridiculous summary). I believe this is either to stroke Trump's ego or to disenfranchise voters. Some journalists are speculating that this stuff is to try to keep republicans in Georgia fired up to vote. I'm not sure if that will work without Trump on the ticket. Morning Consult poll out is showing that GOP trust in elections cratered after the election : While not a new phenomenom, the partisan gap IS unusual (using a different question further down the page, "Was the election free and fair" It's D+64 (D's 90% believe fair, R's 26%). The next largest are 2016/2012, which wasn't close to these numbers: R+34% and D+34% respectively (2008 had a similar gap to this, but before that it was <17%). https://morningconsult.com/form/tracking-voter-trust-in-elections/ | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
We really have to peel this country away from the Republicans though, TRUMP was able to damage the faith of a lot of people in the US' institutions and he's a blithering idiot, imagine what someone with charisma AND vague intelligence could do to the country. | ||
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