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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
In my part of the world, Trump is generally viewed as a joke of a POTUS, understandably due to his frequent media outbursts and flipping of stories. His handling of COVID is also deemed to be poor. However, I personally do not know much about what he has done to fairly critic his actual performance. So I would like to just ask Americans here, why did you vote for Trump? | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On November 07 2020 00:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Recount will happen in GA. I think we all knew this would happen. GA is just so damn close that you have to make sure | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10402 Posts
On November 07 2020 00:46 Nevuk wrote: I don't think there's a need for Biden to childishly attack Trump. That's what we have late night comedians (and Obama) for. (Obama has been doing some pretty funny Trump roasts lately). With that said, we can't let it end like Nixon where the president was pardoned of all crimes, got away with no actual punishment, and the US people never got the full story of what happened. That just paves the way for another Trump in the future. There was an excellent piece in 2016 from some major college about how to deal with Trump supporters when he lost (they were way too hopeful), and it basically said to not talk about Trump with his supporters and just let them deal with it in their own way, as attacking them for voting for Trump would just make them dig in their heels and feel ashamed/embarassed . That's still good logic for me, but there's a difference between attacking his voters and his enablers. Yes. We don't heal this country by mocking the other side. We heal by coming together, letting those people sit and reflect, and then when they're ready, we break bread and discuss politics like civilized people. This didn't happen in 2016 when Trump supporters were gleeful and full on mocking/making really hurtful messages to the liberals who lost. Myself included. Took me a couple years to realize that all that does is sow the divisiveness in this country. We get a couple days to celebrate as Biden supporters, but after that, we calm down, we let the electoral process do it's job, we celebrate again on Inauguration day, and then we move forward. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On November 07 2020 00:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Recount will happen in GA. https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/1324740285948174344 Does a recount take just as long? | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On November 07 2020 00:48 DucK- wrote: Hi all. In my part of the world, Trump is generally viewed as a joke of a POTUS, understandably due to his frequent media outbursts and flipping of stories. His handling of COVID is also deemed to be poor. However, I personally do not know much about what he has done to fairly critic his actual performance. So I would like to just ask Americans here, why did you vote for Trump? My doctor told me she was very worried about political correctness as part of the problem with the response to COVID, so that's the answer from one (almost certainly a Trump) Ohio voter. (I am giving her a lot of slack because she also had her salary drop by $100k in the last year due to COVID). | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On November 07 2020 00:27 m4ini wrote: It's about integrity. You don't get to bitch about people chanting "lock her up" and birthers when you're doing the same. These things are mutually exclusive. Maybe the reason here is that i actually am "older" than most people here (i'd assume), but everytime i read this bullshit of revenge fantasies and power trips, i think to myself "grow up man". edit: to be clear, i wanna stick it to trumpets as much as everyone else, but you'll not see me gloat. Literally Kindergarden argument. I refuse to grow up.  I'll be less spiteful towards politicians when I stop feeling that they have utter contempt for me, thats part of why I couldnt stomach voting for Biden (and I could afford to not to since VA is blue enough, lol.) EDIT: On reflection, my mentality feels like its probably familiar to Republicans isnt it? | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8081 Posts
On November 07 2020 00:50 FlaShFTW wrote: Yes. We don't heal this country by mocking the other side. We heal by coming together, letting those people sit and reflect, and then when they're ready, we break bread and discuss politics like civilized people. This didn't happen in 2016 when Trump supporters were gleeful and full on mocking/making really hurtful messages to the liberals who lost. Myself included. Took me a couple years to realize that all that does is sow the divisiveness in this country. We get a couple days to celebrate as Biden supporters, but after that, we calm down, we let the electoral process do it's job, we celebrate again on Inauguration day, and then we move forward. Yeah and hopefully we also start being critical towards Biden. If he ends up being a shit president, it needs to be said. Part of the saddest thing with Trump is that there were so few of his voters who ended up reflecting and coming to the conclusion that they should probably not have voted for him. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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pajoondies
United States316 Posts
On November 07 2020 00:19 Drygioni wrote: According to Fox, it was Fox and CNN that aired the whole thing. source: https://www.foxnews.com/media/abc-cbs-nbc-all-cut-way-trumps-news-conference-election Hoping fox news is the first to call it for Biden, would be so satisfying. Thanks for this! | ||
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farvacola
United States18857 Posts
On November 07 2020 00:51 Nevuk wrote: My doctor told me she was very worried about political correctness as part of the problem with the response to COVID, so that's the answer from one (almost certainly a Trump) Ohio voter. (I am giving her a lot of slack because she also had her salary drop by $100k in the last year due to COVID). The anti-PC angle is especially bewildering right now given that being gracious winners is the PC thing for Dems to do. | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On November 07 2020 00:51 Nevuk wrote: My doctor told me she was very worried about political correctness as part of the problem with the response to COVID, so that's the answer from one (almost certainly a Trump) Ohio voter. (I am giving her a lot of slack because she also had her salary drop by $100k in the last year due to COVID). Jesus 100k in Ohio is worth like 250k in a real state | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8081 Posts
On November 07 2020 00:55 IyMoon wrote: Jesus 100k in Ohio is worth like 250k in a real state Rofl that's brutal | ||
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Neneu
Norway492 Posts
On November 07 2020 00:39 Gorsameth wrote: Do any of them consider that Trump is such an embarrassment for the US that being hateful is atleast a little justified? Or is there no shred of "Yes we voted for the biggest moron in the history of the US presidency. that was dumb". From those I have spoken to, no. Most of them live a quite shitty life (imo) and voted Trump to have a change. When they feel being shamed for voting trump, they instead refuse to believe any bad intent from their president, because they self-identify with him. He too is being demonized and vilified just like them, and they would never do anything bad. It takes a leader to unify a divided country. I hope and believe Biden will walk that path. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5159 Posts
On November 07 2020 00:47 FlaShFTW wrote: https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/1324738096265596929?s=20 Update in Georgia, lead has grown to 1500 now for Biden. Biden +530 Trump +54 Another near 10:1 advantage in a batch of 600. Looks like Biden's lead might even grow to 3k with I think about 5-6k votes outstanding. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/BSoVfBv.png) Here's a look at Georgia. I'll be doing some more analysis just for fun these next few hours. But it's very clear, Biden resoundingly pushed the urban vote while Trump solidified his rural white non-college educated vote. Democrats will need a better message if they want to secure those two Senate runoff seats. The polarization of city vs rural ideologies needs to be fixed asap. It's also very prevalent in Western Europe and it's worrying me extremely to the point where I think somehow someday the West will eat itself alive because of this. It's a weird dichotomy, but may be a failure on politicians not being able to deal with every aspect of a civilization any longer, coupled with a tad of voting tradition? It seems weird to think Texans would flip blue, simply because they're known to vote red. It shouldn't make sense, but I guess the population is quite a non-malleable thing and should be chipped at for several generations before something interesting can start to happen. | ||
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farvacola
United States18857 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Neither party has ever actually provided help to them for the past 10-15 years, but they turned to Trump after feeling like they had been ignored for 8 years. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On November 07 2020 00:34 m4ini wrote: Again. "But he started it" is an argument in kindergarden. The "where they go low, we go high" is actually the correct path. I honestly can't even grasp the thought process in which the outcome is better than it is now, by doing the exact same (or maybe "a little less") toxic shit that you had for four years. It's moronic, sorry. How is a 'you're fired' joke equal to bitherism or false criminal allegations. You're tripping. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
Nate Silver on Twitter: Those Maricopa ballots have probably closed down Trump's path in Arizona. He needed to do much better. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8081 Posts
On November 07 2020 00:58 Uldridge wrote: The polarization of city vs rural ideologies needs to be fixed asap. It's also very prevalent in Western Europe and it's worrying me extremely to the point where I think somehow someday the West will eat itself alive because of this. It's a weird dichotomy, but may be a failure on politicians not being able to deal with every aspect of a civilization any longer, coupled with a tad of voting tradition? It seems weird to think Texans would flip blue, simply because they're known to vote red. It shouldn't make sense, but I guess the population is quite a non-malleable thing and should be chipped at for several generations before something interesting can start to happen. Well, one aspect of the problem is that countryside life is in decline everywhere, I think it's no one's fault and certainly no politician but economical, social and technological shifts. My parents live in the country in France and the perspective are just bleak. I don't think there really is a fix and certainly no easy one. In their village, 40% of the people vote Le Pen, because they feel forgotten and are super resentful of the political class and the urban elites. But the fact is, that area has little to offer now that you need one guy to cultivate huge fields that won't be profitable anyway. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10402 Posts
Maricopa dump. Only a 5% gain by Trump. Not enough, looks like Fox and AP dont get embarrassed this time. Biden will win 306 electoral votes when all is said and done, the exact opposite of the scoreline from 2016 | ||
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