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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On November 07 2020 00:25 Dante08 wrote: The same can be said for the left no? They only read anti-Trump news and deem all others as "against them". Imo people should reach out and try to understand each other before judging, if not America is going to remain divided for the foreseeable future. Not really. There are leftist news sites out there and DNC propaganda sites. Those aren't the news sources we're talking about. The average american newspaper is not exactly a left leaning institution - the journalists are, but not the people that run them. This is a false dichotomy. Most conservative news outlets, by their own admission, are not news outlets. They are entertainment and have no duty to report the truth. Fox News is one of the better ones here, as they will report the truth for a few hours each day. Most conservatives get their news from talk radio, which has even less to do with the truth than Fox News' primetime op-ed people. I'm not saying to ignore the conservative voters' grievances, just to make sure they're legitimate first. This one is definitely not legitimate by any stretch of the imagination. Trump got unfavorable press because he did a bunch of insane stuff like have secret police round up US citizens in a US city, without cause, id, or badges. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46248 Posts
On November 07 2020 00:27 m4ini wrote: It's about integrity. You don't get to bitch about people chanting "lock her up" and birthers when you're doing the same. These things are mutually exclusive. Maybe the reason here is that i actually am "older" than most people here (i'd assume), but everytime i read this bullshit of revenge fantasies and power trips, i think to myself "grow up man". Literally Kindergarden argument. Are you really equating Biden announcing "You're fired" to literally everything Trump has done? Verbally flipping off Trump with a Bye Felicia after he's done what he's done is absolutely appropriate. Biden probably won't do any of that, given the whole "When They Go Low, We Go High" mantra, and that he's put up with all of Trump's bullshit so far, but let's not pretend that an entire parade of oompa loompas chanting "na na na na, na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye" isn't 100% justified. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On November 07 2020 00:29 GreenHorizons wrote: Trump's coup is so lame he can't even get the CIA on board. All he has to do is get loyalists aboard. And who can honestly believe, without a second thought, the military would not obey an illegal order? We already saw what happened at the WH during the summer from top brass. One of whom called himself the commander of the "Praetorian Guard". | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On November 07 2020 00:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Are you really equating Biden announcing "You're fired" to literally everything Trump has done? Verbally flipping off Trump with a Bye Felicia after he's done what he's done is absolutely appropriate. Biden probably won't do any of that, given the whole "When They Go Low, We Go High" mantra, and that he's put up with all of Trump's bullshit so far, but let's not pretend that an entire parade of oompa loompas chanting "na na na na, na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye" isn't 100% justified. Again. "But he started it" is an argument in kindergarden. The "where they go low, we go high" is actually the correct path. I honestly can't even grasp the thought process in which the outcome is better than it is now, by doing the exact same (or maybe "a little less") toxic shit that you had for four years. It's moronic, sorry. | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On November 07 2020 00:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: All he has to do is get loyalists aboard. And who can honestly believe, without a second thought, the military would not obey an illegal order? We already saw what happened at the WH during the summer from top brass. One of whom called himself the commander of the "Praetorian Guard". Giving the Pretorians Guards habit of killing the emperor, Idk if thats comforting for Trump | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22492 Posts
On November 07 2020 00:20 Neneu wrote: Do any of them consider that Trump is such an embarrassment for the US that being hateful is atleast a little justified?If you actually listen to conservative voters, a lot of the mature voters are having major problems with how the leftwing media and liberal voters are being so demonizing and hateful towards Trump and trump voters (their opinion, not mine). I don't think being strong on revenge is the right way to heal your divide and moving forward together. Or is there no shred of "Yes we voted for the biggest moron in the history of the US presidency. that was dumb". | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On November 07 2020 00:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: All he has to do is get loyalists aboard. And who can honestly believe, without a second thought, the military would not obey an illegal order? We already saw what happened at the WH during the summer from top brass. One of whom called himself the commander of the "Praetorian Guard". He doesn't have the loyalty of enough officers. Even at the peak of his popularity in the military he was underwater with the officers, and that was before he started attacking war dead and wounded. For every praetorian guard moron there's 2 that would refuse his orders, especially if they are trying to order action on US soil. The military is perfectly happy to obey illegal orders to attack other countries (it's kind of their thing), but to attack US citizens is almost certainly a bridge too far for most of them. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46248 Posts
On November 07 2020 00:34 m4ini wrote: Again. "But he started it" is an argument in kindergarden. The "where they go low, we go high" is actually the correct path. I honestly can't even grasp the thought process in which the outcome is better than it is now, by doing the exact same (or maybe "a little less") toxic shit that you had for four years. It's moronic, sorry. If you're looking for a better outcome, neither the moral high ground nor the just desserts will necessarily provide one. Keep in mind that the respectful "When they go low, we go high" didn't help 2016 Clinton nor 2020 Biden and the disrespectful remarks of Trump is what got him as far as he did. So, at best, being nice (or not nice) to Trump has no predictive power whatsoever. Killing him with kindness is one route; standing up to a bully is another route. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8153 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
On November 07 2020 00:34 m4ini wrote: Again. "But he started it" is an argument in kindergarden. The "where they go low, we go high" is actually the correct path. I honestly can't even grasp the thought process in which the outcome is better than it is now, by doing the exact same (or maybe "a little less") toxic shit that you had for four years. It's moronic, sorry. Pretending that the answer to the question of how to deal with rightwing populism is easy is far more moronic than entertaining tit for tat fantasies, holding up a trite aphorism doesn't change that. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24211 Posts
On November 07 2020 00:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: All he has to do is get loyalists aboard. And who can honestly believe, without a second thought, the military would not obey an illegal order? We already saw what happened at the WH during the summer from top brass. One of whom called himself the commander of the "Praetorian Guard". I'm just going to wind myself up, but I'm not worried about the military directly (at least beyond specific loyalists Trump may have in it). More protests turning violent, the police siding with Trump favoring protesters (as they typically do), and the military not being willing to act against the police (and/or his loyalists in the military pressing for that). Then Democrats caving for civility sake or everything spiraling out of control. My non-2020-brain is simply breathing a sigh of relief at the moment though. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10530 Posts
Celebration has begun in Philadelphia! https://i.imgur.com/P2TUOnT.png Very interesting is Sabato's Crystal Ball this election, assuming Arizona holds for Biden and NC holds for Trump, they will have predicted 49/50 states correctly with both districts of NE-2 and ME-2 being correct. Very nicely done there Sabato! Also where is WombaT and what does the scouter say about my post count? | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12488 Posts
On November 06 2020 23:56 Nevuk wrote: The DSA will be up to 6 members in the next house, btw. That sounds low, but realize that the democratic margin has shrunk enough that they really will need to win those 6 votes. (If they don't flip any further seats from the current lead, they will only have a 221 -214 margin in the house). All 7 blue dog democrats lost their elections (these are conservative democrats). That's why Pelosi won't be openly backing Spanberger's cries for her to punish AOC: she needs them to win the speakership (it was somewhat close last time). True, unless there's some obscure rule about it. Basically someone like her, but I can't think of any other figures that the right hates more than Pelosi. For AOC's sphere of influence you don't have to stop at the 6 DSA, you can look at the Justice Democrats. I want to say there's 10 of them now? | ||
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schaf
Germany1326 Posts
On November 07 2020 00:25 LegalLord wrote: Trump aside, it's been a pretty common theme that the mainstream (generally leans liberal) media is less-than-fair to the right-wing and to its voters. Your less diplomatic people will say "it just reflects the truth bro" but as it stands, this issue predates Trump by many years and the media rhetoric has been very similar to what it was for people like Romney who were portrayed as a dangerous evil in their own presidential run. Quite worthless experience from reddit suggests noone is interested in healing anything, it's all about payback and glee on both sides. In reality, for healing to happen it doesn't really matter who is right. As long as the very first thing one gets thrown at after making a point is "well that's because you are on this or that side of the divide so anything you say is invalid and btw you are beyond stupid" there is no coming together. Well, there is no together. People need to realize these extreme positions grow from very common problems and it's just the solutions that are so very far apart. Talk more about universal problems and less about individual conclusions that are way down the lines. As far as I can tell not many Democrats want to abolish the second amendment but many Republicans think exactly that. And the other way around with getting rid of all Mexicans or whatever. Hope this makes sense! | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
With that said, we can't let it end like Nixon where the president was pardoned of all crimes, got away with no actual punishment, and the US people never got the full story of what happened. That just paves the way for another Trump in the future. There was an excellent piece in 2016 from some major college about how to deal with Trump supporters when he lost (they were way too hopeful), and it basically said to not talk about Trump with his supporters and just let them deal with it in their own way, as attacking them for voting for Trump would just make them dig in their heels and feel ashamed/embarassed . That's still good logic for me, but there's a difference between attacking his voters and his enablers. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10530 Posts
Update in Georgia, lead has grown to 1500 now for Biden. Biden +530 Trump +54 Another near 10:1 advantage in a batch of 600. Looks like Biden's lead might even grow to 3k with I think about 5-6k votes outstanding. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/BSoVfBv.png) Here's a look at Georgia. I'll be doing some more analysis just for fun these next few hours. But it's very clear, Biden resoundingly pushed the urban vote while Trump solidified his rural white non-college educated vote. Democrats will need a better message if they want to secure those two Senate runoff seats. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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