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On November 06 2020 23:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
So now Biden has overwhelmingly won the popular vote and officially won the electoral college. If you're interested in further paranoia, given Trump's propensity for cheating and rigging things, the electors don't vote until December 14th. Feel free to stay nervous - for the next five weeks - that a bunch of faithless electors will try to give Trump a free presidency, completely nullifying the entire election. Or that Biden gets assassinated. I don't really have the energy to worry about those things right now though; I'm just hoping that Trump voters don't become too violent over the next few days.
Yeah it seems the GOP (outside the tea party caucus) wants to just take the wins in the judiciary and with taxes (repatriation especially) and argue they too thought Trump went too far and did what they could to keep him under control. That they also did good things Democrats now want to ruin, so they must be stopped. Trump's gone, so let Republicans keep Democrats in check with the Senate.
The rest is just expanding on the more neurotic stuff.
+ Show Spoiler +It doesn't seem like he'll be able to actually delay the counts long enough, so legislatures would have to actually pass something to put up faithless electors and in PA for example there's a Democrat Governor that could veto it. So it's shank significantly in plausibility (almost entirely imo). It would require a huge tea party+ type outburst pressuring the legislators specifically, Trump himself doesn't appear to have anywhere close to the leverage to apply to the legislators themselves.
We're really down to stuff like fanatical Trump supporters and the people who considered him their last compromise impeding a peaceful transfer of power. So far it doesn't seem like the nationalist militia types or even the more Cliven Bundy types really want to go all-in here and I hope that holds.
I don't mean to gin up paranoia or anything so I want to be clear I think the chances are still remote, but I think a minimal level of awareness (like people should know what can possibly happen within reason, we don't need to mention stuff like getting struck by lightning or whatever specifically) and preparation is also sensible.
At this point, something specifically happening to Biden has a reasonably well developed backup plan (granted before the electoral college vote it's slightly sketch).
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Yes, why not immediately resume the clowning and the memeing the second the meming clown has been put out of power!
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I must be the only one who wants him to act presidential and with decency.
Like, what's the point if you have another toxic cunt in the white house? My hopes for Biden are simply that he's acting like an adult. That's all i want. There's no need to rub it in, Trump is a narcissist and will do that all by himself.
Not to mention, why intentionally rile the rabid dogs "avid" Trump supporters up, who're already out and about with assault rifles?
I want Biden to ignore every little piece of bullshit that Trump has said/done in the last week, thank him for a great race, and immediately try to start building bridges to at the very least moderate conservatives.
Fucking four more years of absolute divide, i don't get why'd you be rooting for that.
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On November 06 2020 23:56 Nevuk wrote:The DSA will be up to 6 members in the next house, btw. That sounds low, but realize that the democratic margin has shrunk enough that they really will need to win those 6 votes. (If they don't flip any further seats from the current lead, they will only have a 221 -214 margin in the house). All 7 blue dog democrats lost their elections (these are conservative democrats). That's why Pelosi won't be openly backing Spanberger's cries for her to punish AOC: she needs them to win the speakership (it was somewhat close last time). Show nested quote +On November 06 2020 23:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 06 2020 23:47 Nevuk wrote:On November 06 2020 23:42 JimmiC wrote:On November 06 2020 23:35 Nevuk wrote:On November 06 2020 23:27 micronesia wrote:
If halfway through Biden's first term he decides to retire (or other non-sudden transition of power), is it automatic that Harris becomes president?
How is the VP decided at that time? Yes. Harris gets to appoint her VP, but it requires a majority of senate and house votes. If one isn't approved, then she has no VP and her line of succession goes to the speaker of the house ( a democrat). Name Pelosi VP, then no matter what they do she's the VP! Time to start making the 5 head 4d chess plays! + Show Spoiler +really just the threat of Pelosi taking over is probably enough to encourage the senate, assuming she's still in the roll. Won't matter to McConnell. It lets him give a "token moderate" pass to one of his members. Pelosi becoming president won't bother him at all, if he has the senate majority, and she would be president regardless. You'd have to nominate someone they actually seem afraid of more than Pelosi, like AOC iirc AOC is ineligible to be appointed as VP by Harris within the next 4 years, because AOC is too young to become president (in the unlikely event that Harris needs to step down / hand over her presidency to her new VP). True, unless there's some obscure rule about it. Basically someone like her, but I can't think of any other figures that the right hates more than Pelosi.
Oh its so juicy, cries of "we need to be more conservative to win!" and their conservatives lose and the progressives win, and the ineptitude of the conservatives only gives the progressives more power.
Give me my Progressive Tea Party.
On November 06 2020 23:57 Uldridge wrote:
Yes, why not immediately resume the clowning and the memeing the second the meming clown has been put out of power!
America does love the circus
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On November 06 2020 23:57 m4ini wrote:
I must be the only one who wants him to act presidential and with decency.
Like, what's the point if you have another toxic cunt in the white house? My hopes for Biden are simply that he's acting like an adult. That's all i want. There's no need to rub it in, Trump is a narcissist and will do that all by himself.
Not to mention, why intentionally rile the rabid dogs "avid" Trump supporters up, who're already out and about with assault rifles?
I want Biden to ignore every little piece of bullshit that Trump has said/done in the last week, thank him for a great race, and immediately try to start building bridges to at the very least moderate conservatives.
Fucking four more years of absolute divide, i don't get why'd you be rooting for that.
We all don't actually want this. We just think it would be fun after the last 4 years.
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I don't think he should ignore what Trump has done-he should mention that there isn't a shred of evidence for Trump's claims of fraud-but I don't think he should go full "meming clown" as Uldrige so eloquently stated.
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On November 06 2020 23:59 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2020 23:57 m4ini wrote:
I must be the only one who wants him to act presidential and with decency.
Like, what's the point if you have another toxic cunt in the white house? My hopes for Biden are simply that he's acting like an adult. That's all i want. There's no need to rub it in, Trump is a narcissist and will do that all by himself.
Not to mention, why intentionally rile the rabid dogs "avid" Trump supporters up, who're already out and about with assault rifles?
I want Biden to ignore every little piece of bullshit that Trump has said/done in the last week, thank him for a great race, and immediately try to start building bridges to at the very least moderate conservatives.
Fucking four more years of absolute divide, i don't get why'd you be rooting for that. We all don't actually want this. We just think it would be fun after the last 4 years.
I get that, we all have our daydreams. Of course it'd be funny.
But i also think that there's plenty of assholes on both sides of the isle, who actually do want this. Just wait until the "not my president" bullshit starts, you just get a repeat of what happened 2016.
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On November 06 2020 23:56 Nevuk wrote:The DSA will be up to 6 members in the next house, btw. That sounds low, but realize that the democratic margin has shrunk enough that they really will need to win those 6 votes. (If they don't flip any further seats from the current lead, they will only have a 221 -214 margin in the house). All 7 blue dog democrats lost their elections (these are conservative democrats). That's why Pelosi won't be openly backing Spanberger's cries for her to punish AOC: she needs them to win the speakership (it was somewhat close last time). Show nested quote +On November 06 2020 23:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 06 2020 23:47 Nevuk wrote:On November 06 2020 23:42 JimmiC wrote:On November 06 2020 23:35 Nevuk wrote:On November 06 2020 23:27 micronesia wrote:
If halfway through Biden's first term he decides to retire (or other non-sudden transition of power), is it automatic that Harris becomes president?
How is the VP decided at that time? Yes. Harris gets to appoint her VP, but it requires a majority of senate and house votes. If one isn't approved, then she has no VP and her line of succession goes to the speaker of the house ( a democrat). Name Pelosi VP, then no matter what they do she's the VP! Time to start making the 5 head 4d chess plays! + Show Spoiler +really just the threat of Pelosi taking over is probably enough to encourage the senate, assuming she's still in the roll. Won't matter to McConnell. It lets him give a "token moderate" pass to one of his members. Pelosi becoming president won't bother him at all, if he has the senate majority, and she would be president regardless. You'd have to nominate someone they actually seem afraid of more than Pelosi, like AOC iirc AOC is ineligible to be appointed as VP by Harris within the next 4 years, because AOC is too young to become president (in the unlikely event that Harris needs to step down / hand over her presidency to her new VP). True, unless there's some obscure rule about it. Basically someone like her, but I can't think of any other figures that the right hates more than Pelosi.
I don't know a lot about Katie Porter, but she seems about as radical as the Democratic party would willingly go.
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On November 06 2020 23:59 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I don't think he should ignore what Trump has done-he should mention that there isn't a shred of evidence for Trump's claims of fraud-but I don't think he should go full "meming clown" as Uldrige so eloquently stated.
Why?
That's up to the courts. Trumpets won't believe him anyway. The worst thing you can do to Trump is ignoring him. Showing him that he's not worth getting riled up over.
And that's (in my opinion) exactly what Biden should do.
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On November 06 2020 23:56 Nevuk wrote:The DSA will be up to 6 members in the next house, btw. That sounds low, but realize that the democratic margin has shrunk enough that they really will need to win those 6 votes. (If they don't flip any further seats from the current lead, they will only have a 221 -214 margin in the house). All 7 blue dog democrats lost their elections (these are conservative democrats). That's why Pelosi won't be openly backing Spanberger's cries for her to punish AOC: she needs them to win the speakership (it was somewhat close last time). Show nested quote +On November 06 2020 23:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 06 2020 23:47 Nevuk wrote:On November 06 2020 23:42 JimmiC wrote:On November 06 2020 23:35 Nevuk wrote:On November 06 2020 23:27 micronesia wrote:
If halfway through Biden's first term he decides to retire (or other non-sudden transition of power), is it automatic that Harris becomes president?
How is the VP decided at that time? Yes. Harris gets to appoint her VP, but it requires a majority of senate and house votes. If one isn't approved, then she has no VP and her line of succession goes to the speaker of the house ( a democrat). Name Pelosi VP, then no matter what they do she's the VP! Time to start making the 5 head 4d chess plays! + Show Spoiler +really just the threat of Pelosi taking over is probably enough to encourage the senate, assuming she's still in the roll. Won't matter to McConnell. It lets him give a "token moderate" pass to one of his members. Pelosi becoming president won't bother him at all, if he has the senate majority, and she would be president regardless. You'd have to nominate someone they actually seem afraid of more than Pelosi, like AOC iirc AOC is ineligible to be appointed as VP by Harris within the next 4 years, because AOC is too young to become president (in the unlikely event that Harris needs to step down / hand over her presidency to her new VP). True, unless there's some obscure rule about it. Basically someone like her, but I can't think of any other figures that the right hates more than Pelosi.
You are also forgetting that the DNC, under Pelosi, has actively tried to unseat the core "Squad" wasting millions of dollars in failed bids to prevent their numbers from growing. Which have failed.
Pelosi hates progressive policies, and more so their representatives.
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If Pelosi needs 218 votes to retain Speakership of the House, do Progressives have enough votes to tell her to fuck off?
I doubt they will, but I really want to spend my time daydreaming before Democrats drag me back to the sick reality they enable.
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Oh thank fuck
This is such a huge relief
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On November 07 2020 00:02 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2020 23:59 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I don't think he should ignore what Trump has done-he should mention that there isn't a shred of evidence for Trump's claims of fraud-but I don't think he should go full "meming clown" as Uldrige so eloquently stated. Why? That's up to the courts. Trumpets won't believe him anyway. The worst thing you can do to Trump is ignoring him. Showing him that he's not worth getting riled up over. And that's (in my opinion) exactly what Biden should do.
If we've learned anything in the past 8 years it's that completely ignoring misinformation doesn't do anything to stop it from taking hold, nor does angrily shouting about it. Quietly dismissing it as the joke it is is more effective.
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I don t know who that Pat Toomey is, but he s twisting the truth like Trump does
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On November 07 2020 00:05 Zambrah wrote:
If Pelosi needs 218 votes to retain Speakership of the House, do Progressives have enough votes to tell her to fuck off?
I doubt they will, but I really want to spend my time daydreaming before Democrats drag me back to the sick reality they enable.
As it looks right now, yes, they probably will.
You're correct that they probably won't : they've all been pretty good at working with democrats who disagree with them, and most of the "nay" votes on Pelosi as speaker last time came from moderate democrats like Tim Ryan or Connor Lamb, so it's unclear if the speaker would be more conservative than Pelosi or not.
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I still hope they do it, I would honestly take almost anyone else over Pelosi if only to get that "FUCK OFF" aired out.
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Finally we're rid of the clown in the white house. Congratz to Biden. Thanks for this thread and all the updates.
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On November 07 2020 00:07 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2020 00:02 m4ini wrote:On November 06 2020 23:59 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I don't think he should ignore what Trump has done-he should mention that there isn't a shred of evidence for Trump's claims of fraud-but I don't think he should go full "meming clown" as Uldrige so eloquently stated. Why? That's up to the courts. Trumpets won't believe him anyway. The worst thing you can do to Trump is ignoring him. Showing him that he's not worth getting riled up over. And that's (in my opinion) exactly what Biden should do. If we've learned anything in the past 8 years it's that completely ignoring misinformation doesn't do anything to stop it from taking hold, nor does angrily shouting about it. Quietly dismissing it as the joke it is is more effective.
Because we "completely ignored" misinformation in the last 8 years? Republicans screech at any bullshit that came from Obama, democrats screech at any bullshit that came from Trump.
The hell do you think assaultrifleguy chanting "stop the vote" is gonna care about Biden telling him that Trump is a liar? Everyone else knows already. The problem was that no one gives a shit because it became normality.
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This will be one of the most beautiful lame duck periods in recent history.
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