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pajoondies
Profile Joined February 2014
United States316 Posts
November 06 2020 14:33 GMT
#4281
Major news networks won't call it yet. MSNBC blatantly spoke about not giving Trump ammunition by calling it in favor of Biden earlier than him having a substantial lead in PA, in particular, because it'll just give him a new conspiracy theory to spin up.

They also condemned two major news networks for airing Trump's speech last night, not naming them, but I'm assuming it was Fox +1? Anyone know for fact who did so?
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24805 Posts
November 06 2020 14:35 GMT
#4282
On November 06 2020 23:32 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 23:27 micronesia wrote:
If halfway through Biden's first term he decides to retire (or other non-sudden transition of power), is it automatic that Harris becomes president?

How is the VP decided at that time?

Yes, and Harris gets to pick a new VP that the senate has to approve.

If the Republicans still control the Senate, can they refuse to take up voting on the VP candidate for four years, or are they compelled to vote on it similar to impeachment? This sounds ridiculous but I will put literally zero past McConnell and his ilk anymore.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 06 2020 14:35 GMT
#4283
On November 06 2020 23:27 micronesia wrote:
If halfway through Biden's first term he decides to retire (or other non-sudden transition of power), is it automatic that Harris becomes president?

How is the VP decided at that time?

Yes. Harris gets to appoint her VP, but it requires a majority of senate and house votes. If one isn't approved, then she has no VP and her line of succession goes to the speaker of the house ( a democrat).
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
November 06 2020 14:35 GMT
#4284
On November 06 2020 23:26 FlaShFTW wrote:
GOOD MORNING TEAMLIQUID ELECTION DAY THREAD AND WHAT A GLORIOUS MORNING I WAKE UP TO!

Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 11:27 FlaShFTW wrote:
On November 06 2020 11:24 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
Just call PA tonight and be done with this. I can't handle it anymore.

Ok here you go:

TEAMLIQUID.NET ELECTION COVERAGE TEAM HAS CALLED PENNSYLVANIA FOR VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN. JOE BIDEN WILL CAPTURE ITS 20 ELECTORAL VOTES AND HE NOW HAS SURPASSED THE NECESSARY 270 ELECTORAL VOTES WITH 279, MAKING JOE BIDEN THE PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENT-ELECT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Just wanted to point out that I called this shit 11 hours ago, but hey, not every news station and polling org can be as good as your friends here at the Teamliquid.net Decision Desk.

https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/1324710866516905984?s=20

Decision Desk seems to have been the only large-ish coverage team that has officially called this race, though Nate Silver and Nate Cohn seemed to imply that it was also over a long time ago.

GEORGIA FLIPPED HAHAHAHAAHAHA

Alright well I think this will do it, I'll probably keep up with the major pollsters for a little bit until they finally announce the President-elect and I'll stay up to date with the numbers in Arizona, Nevada, and Georgia for a bit. NC will come out next week, when I get news of that I'll update assuming the main USPMT is gonna be back up.

Thanks everyone to an awesome coverage, it was fun being your newscaster for this election. Shoutouts to everyone who followed this thread and used this as your main source of info, hopefully in 2 years we can do this again and I'll be right back here on the TL.net Decision Desk.

AND HAPPY 9000 POSTS TO ME!

Thanks for all the updates and number crushing - an European, who used this as his #1 source of info
MaxPax
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-06 14:40:12
November 06 2020 14:37 GMT
#4285
On November 06 2020 23:33 pajoondies wrote:
Major news networks won't call it yet. MSNBC blatantly spoke about not giving Trump ammunition by calling it in favor of Biden earlier than him having a substantial lead in PA, in particular, because it'll just give him a new conspiracy theory to spin up.

They also condemned two major news networks for airing Trump's speech last night, not naming them, but I'm assuming it was Fox +1? Anyone know for fact who did so?


I suspect what may happen with the PA call is that Fox and AP will make it when they make their NV call (they'd rather project the win with PA than AZ+NV), then the others will follow suit.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 06 2020 14:37 GMT
#4286
On November 06 2020 23:35 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 23:32 Acrofales wrote:
On November 06 2020 23:27 micronesia wrote:
If halfway through Biden's first term he decides to retire (or other non-sudden transition of power), is it automatic that Harris becomes president?

How is the VP decided at that time?

Yes, and Harris gets to pick a new VP that the senate has to approve.

If the Republicans still control the Senate, can they refuse to take up voting on the VP candidate for four years, or are they compelled to vote on it similar to impeachment? This sounds ridiculous but I will put literally zero past McConnell and his ilk anymore.

They can refuse. I fully expect them to do so, btw. It grants them .5 of a seat in the senate, basically, if there's no VP.

That part of the amendment is really simple and has no time limits:

Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.
Mercy13
Profile Joined January 2011
United States718 Posts
November 06 2020 14:37 GMT
#4287
I'm glad that Biden won, but Democrats' failure down ballot does not bode well for his administration. It looks like there was a blue wave. It just wasn't that much bigger than the red wave. Lots of people in this country really like Trump.

The upshot is that the GOP will control the redistricting process once again, and the margin Democrats need to win by in order to gain power will continue to grow.

Biden's win will slow the bleeding, but I don't think it's enough prevent the steady decline of our political system.

Does anyone have a less pessimistic take?
KungKras
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden484 Posts
November 06 2020 14:37 GMT
#4288
I also used this thread as my main info source.

You made an amazing effort FlaShFTW!
"When life gives me lemons, I go look for oranges"
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
November 06 2020 14:38 GMT
#4289
first reaction out of Europe?

https://twitter.com/HeikoMaas/status/1324654592714592256?s=20

technically speaking this was 4 hours ago so I assume that was in reaction to yesterdays press conference done by the WH and not meant to be a reaction to the election in general and it's result (PA & GA flipping)

Translation is something along the lines of
"It's more important to have decent [civilized?] losers for a democracy than it is to have radiant winners. [...]"

Trump's not gonna like that phrasing
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46572 Posts
November 06 2020 14:39 GMT
#4290
On November 06 2020 23:32 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 23:27 micronesia wrote:
If halfway through Biden's first term he decides to retire (or other non-sudden transition of power), is it automatic that Harris becomes president?

How is the VP decided at that time?

Yes, and Harris gets to pick a new VP that the senate has to approve.


Oh good. I'm sure there won't be any issue there /s
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 06 2020 14:42 GMT
#4291
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-06 14:44:50
November 06 2020 14:44 GMT
#4292
Thanks Pennsylvania

I hated on Biden and Harris fracking message but it might just've been enough to get those few thousand votes :X
Neosteel Enthusiast
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 06 2020 14:46 GMT
#4293
This election the DSA had a 85% win ratio and won 8 out of 9 ballot proposals.

You would think the DNC would try and slowly reform itself to appear more attractive but instead they lurching to the right every time.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 06 2020 14:47 GMT
#4294
On November 06 2020 23:42 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 23:35 Nevuk wrote:
On November 06 2020 23:27 micronesia wrote:
If halfway through Biden's first term he decides to retire (or other non-sudden transition of power), is it automatic that Harris becomes president?

How is the VP decided at that time?

Yes. Harris gets to appoint her VP, but it requires a majority of senate and house votes. If one isn't approved, then she has no VP and her line of succession goes to the speaker of the house ( a democrat).

Name Pelosi VP, then no matter what they do she's the VP! Time to start making the 5 head 4d chess plays!

+ Show Spoiler +
really just the threat of Pelosi taking over is probably enough to encourage the senate, assuming she's still in the roll.

Won't matter to McConnell. It lets him give a "token moderate" pass to one of his members.

Pelosi becoming president won't bother him at all, if he has the senate majority, and she would be president regardless.

You'd have to nominate someone they actually seem afraid of more than Pelosi, like AOC
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
November 06 2020 14:48 GMT
#4295
On November 06 2020 23:46 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
This election the DSA had a 85% win ratio and won 8 out of 9 ballot proposals.

You would think the DNC would try and slowly reform itself to appear more attractive but instead they lurching to the right every time.


The DSA is the Democratic Socialists of America, for anyone who isnt aware and they're showing that the Democrats are in fact asshats and that Nancy Pelosi and Abigail Spanberger have got to go.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
November 06 2020 14:50 GMT
#4296
In his acceptance speech Biden better put on his sunglasses, walk on stage, and say 'I have one message for Donald. You're fired.'
Neosteel Enthusiast
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46572 Posts
November 06 2020 14:52 GMT
#4297
On November 06 2020 23:47 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 23:42 JimmiC wrote:
On November 06 2020 23:35 Nevuk wrote:
On November 06 2020 23:27 micronesia wrote:
If halfway through Biden's first term he decides to retire (or other non-sudden transition of power), is it automatic that Harris becomes president?

How is the VP decided at that time?

Yes. Harris gets to appoint her VP, but it requires a majority of senate and house votes. If one isn't approved, then she has no VP and her line of succession goes to the speaker of the house ( a democrat).

Name Pelosi VP, then no matter what they do she's the VP! Time to start making the 5 head 4d chess plays!

+ Show Spoiler +
really just the threat of Pelosi taking over is probably enough to encourage the senate, assuming she's still in the roll.

Won't matter to McConnell. It lets him give a "token moderate" pass to one of his members.

Pelosi becoming president won't bother him at all, if he has the senate majority, and she would be president regardless.

You'd have to nominate someone they actually seem afraid of more than Pelosi, like AOC


iirc AOC is ineligible to be appointed as VP by Harris within the next 4 years, because AOC is too young to become president (in the unlikely event that Harris needs to step down / hand over her presidency to her new VP).
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
November 06 2020 14:53 GMT
#4298
On November 06 2020 23:50 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
In his acceptance speech Biden better put on his sunglasses, walk on stage, and say 'I have one message for Donald. You're fired.'


What I really want is for the clip of Trump claiming victory at 2 am to be followed by the clip of him saying wrong at 2016 debates.

THEN he can walk out with the glasses
Something witty
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8213 Posts
November 06 2020 14:54 GMT
#4299
On November 06 2020 23:50 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
In his acceptance speech Biden better put on his sunglasses, walk on stage, and say 'I have one message for Donald. You're fired.'

Oh that would be gold...
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-06 14:57:30
November 06 2020 14:56 GMT
#4300
The DSA will be up to 6 members in the next house, btw.

That sounds low, but realize that the democratic margin has shrunk enough that they really will need to win those 6 votes. (If they don't flip any further seats from the current lead, they will only have a 221 -214 margin in the house).

All 7 blue dog democrats lost their elections (these are conservative democrats).

That's why Pelosi won't be openly backing Spanberger's cries for her to punish AOC: she needs them to win the speakership (it was somewhat close last time).

On November 06 2020 23:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 23:47 Nevuk wrote:
On November 06 2020 23:42 JimmiC wrote:
On November 06 2020 23:35 Nevuk wrote:
On November 06 2020 23:27 micronesia wrote:
If halfway through Biden's first term he decides to retire (or other non-sudden transition of power), is it automatic that Harris becomes president?

How is the VP decided at that time?

Yes. Harris gets to appoint her VP, but it requires a majority of senate and house votes. If one isn't approved, then she has no VP and her line of succession goes to the speaker of the house ( a democrat).

Name Pelosi VP, then no matter what they do she's the VP! Time to start making the 5 head 4d chess plays!

+ Show Spoiler +
really just the threat of Pelosi taking over is probably enough to encourage the senate, assuming she's still in the roll.

Won't matter to McConnell. It lets him give a "token moderate" pass to one of his members.

Pelosi becoming president won't bother him at all, if he has the senate majority, and she would be president regardless.

You'd have to nominate someone they actually seem afraid of more than Pelosi, like AOC


iirc AOC is ineligible to be appointed as VP by Harris within the next 4 years, because AOC is too young to become president (in the unlikely event that Harris needs to step down / hand over her presidency to her new VP).

True, unless there's some obscure rule about it. Basically someone like her, but I can't think of any other figures that the right hates more than Pelosi.
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