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On November 07 2020 01:14 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2020 00:48 DucK- wrote:
Hi all.
In my part of the world, Trump is generally viewed as a joke of a POTUS, understandably due to his frequent media outbursts and flipping of stories. His handling of COVID is also deemed to be poor. However, I personally do not know much about what he has done to fairly critic his actual performance.
So I would like to just ask Americans here, why did you vote for Trump? I didn't vote in 2016, but by the end I was somewhat leaning to Trump simply because of my poor opinion of Hilary Clinton. In terms of why Trump has kept popularity, he knows how to charge up his base, holding rallies frequently throughout his presidency. Pre-COVID the economy was good. I have no been swayed by his rhetoric of hate and fear however. Nor has his failure to uphold his promise to protect trucking jobs been great, as they blame who else but immigrants. His environemental, and immigration policies have been piss poor, and his foreign policy hasn't been the best either.
The "good pre - covid economy" was bought by Trump with the highest depth / GPD the USA ever had.
Also I suggest to look up some basic keynesian macroeoconomics on to when to spent money on the economy and when not to. Trumps economic politics were absolutly shit from a scientiffic point of view.
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It's official Mark Kelly is headed to the Senate.
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On November 07 2020 01:12 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2020 00:54 Biff The Understudy wrote:On November 07 2020 00:50 FlaShFTW wrote:On November 07 2020 00:46 Nevuk wrote:
I don't think there's a need for Biden to childishly attack Trump. That's what we have late night comedians (and Obama) for. (Obama has been doing some pretty funny Trump roasts lately).
With that said, we can't let it end like Nixon where the president was pardoned of all crimes, got away with no actual punishment, and the US people never got the full story of what happened. That just paves the way for another Trump in the future.
There was an excellent piece in 2016 from some major college about how to deal with Trump supporters when he lost (they were way too hopeful), and it basically said to not talk about Trump with his supporters and just let them deal with it in their own way, as attacking them for voting for Trump would just make them dig in their heels and feel ashamed/embarassed . That's still good logic for me, but there's a difference between attacking his voters and his enablers. Yes. We don't heal this country by mocking the other side. We heal by coming together, letting those people sit and reflect, and then when they're ready, we break bread and discuss politics like civilized people. This didn't happen in 2016 when Trump supporters were gleeful and full on mocking/making really hurtful messages to the liberals who lost. Myself included. Took me a couple years to realize that all that does is sow the divisiveness in this country. We get a couple days to celebrate as Biden supporters, but after that, we calm down, we let the electoral process do it's job, we celebrate again on Inauguration day, and then we move forward. Yeah and hopefully we also start being critical towards Biden. If he ends up being a shit president, it needs to be said. Part of the saddest thing with Trump is that there were so few of his voters who ended up reflecting and coming to the conclusion that they should probably not have voted for him. With so many tech jobs it always bums me out that it seems companies are insistent on being in places like California with bloated costs of living. I'd like to see stuff that can be done remotely take place in rural states, if only for selfish reasons like I want to be able to get a job in games without having to live in an area that will drain a salary that would give me actual economic opportunities in states like Oklahoma or whatever, lol. I'd like to see the government subsidize this and to see some massive drain from CA and it's ilk.
It's been happening, but not super fast. And then the next place they go to winds up having the same overinflated housing crisis. Specifically, Texas and Georgia had a big influx of cali residents to new tech companies.
The other issue is that a lot of people don't want to move to conservative areas, even if they themselves are conservative. Cincinnati, for instance, is a very conservative region. It's also widely considered a shithole for anyone but white people who are already married, and can bring their own picket fence and 2.1 children. So in spite of having a bunch of corporate HQs, they have real regional brain drain issues and far more openings.
Sure the pay is lower than california, but the cost of living is also 25-30% of California (it was one of the few places where rent stayed mostly stagnant over the past decade).
If I wanted, I could pretty much name my price in the region as an app developer, easily making double my current salary (the benefits here are very nice, and I don't think it's worth giving up a job at a nice company for 70-80$k extra at a job I'd leave in a year).
It's one of the few areas where I totally believe the companies when they said they had to use H1-B visas: they are hiring people from 10 states over who just graduated their undergrad, if they aren't using h1-b people. The h1-b people sometimes get caught having lied on their resume, and they get to stay lol.
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On November 07 2020 00:34 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2020 00:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 07 2020 00:27 m4ini wrote:On November 07 2020 00:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 07 2020 00:20 Neneu wrote:
If you actually listen to conservative voters, a lot of the mature voters are having major problems with how the leftwing media and liberal voters are being so demonizing and hateful towards Trump and trump voters (their opinion, not mine).
I don't think being strong on revenge is the right way to heal your divide and moving forward together. What do you mean by "mature"? Older? Less inciteful? Responsible enough to not vote for Trump, even though they're conservative? Because if we're talking about Trump voters who chant "lock her up" and "where is his birth certificate" and incite violence and discrimination against various demographics in this country, no one is going to care when their feelings get hurt. It's about integrity. You don't get to bitch about people chanting "lock her up" and birthers when you're doing the same. These things are mutually exclusive. Maybe the reason here is that i actually am "older" than most people here (i'd assume), but everytime i read this bullshit of revenge fantasies and power trips, i think to myself "grow up man". Sure, because otoh, reps are SOOOOOOOO nice to dems...
Literally Kindergarden argument. Are you really equating Biden announcing "You're fired" to literally everything Trump has done? Verbally flipping off Trump with a Bye Felicia after he's done what he's done is absolutely appropriate. Biden probably won't do any of that, given the whole "When They Go Low, We Go High" mantra, and that he's put up with all of Trump's bullshit so far, but let's not pretend that an entire parade of oompa loompas chanting "na na na na, na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye" isn't 100% justified. Again. "But he started it" is an argument in kindergarden. The "where they go low, we go high" is actually the correct path. I honestly can't even grasp the thought process in which the outcome is better than it is now, by doing the exact same (or maybe "a little less") toxic shit that you had for four years. It's moronic, sorry.
Where they go low, we go high should be the correct way to deal with it. But the american voters don't seem to view stuff that way, considering just how low the regressives have been going over time. Just when you think they have found the lowest possible point, they start drilling downwards.
American voters sadly seem to view people who go high when others go low as arrogant and elitist. Or possibly just as suckers who fall for it every time. The US voters are just broken and reward the most revolting asshole they can find with their votes. That has been the entire strategy of the regressives for at least a decade now after all. And they got rewarded with three supreme court justices to cement their anti-humanist bullshit for decades.
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On November 07 2020 01:23 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2020 01:12 Zambrah wrote:On November 07 2020 00:54 Biff The Understudy wrote:On November 07 2020 00:50 FlaShFTW wrote:On November 07 2020 00:46 Nevuk wrote:
I don't think there's a need for Biden to childishly attack Trump. That's what we have late night comedians (and Obama) for. (Obama has been doing some pretty funny Trump roasts lately).
With that said, we can't let it end like Nixon where the president was pardoned of all crimes, got away with no actual punishment, and the US people never got the full story of what happened. That just paves the way for another Trump in the future.
There was an excellent piece in 2016 from some major college about how to deal with Trump supporters when he lost (they were way too hopeful), and it basically said to not talk about Trump with his supporters and just let them deal with it in their own way, as attacking them for voting for Trump would just make them dig in their heels and feel ashamed/embarassed . That's still good logic for me, but there's a difference between attacking his voters and his enablers. Yes. We don't heal this country by mocking the other side. We heal by coming together, letting those people sit and reflect, and then when they're ready, we break bread and discuss politics like civilized people. This didn't happen in 2016 when Trump supporters were gleeful and full on mocking/making really hurtful messages to the liberals who lost. Myself included. Took me a couple years to realize that all that does is sow the divisiveness in this country. We get a couple days to celebrate as Biden supporters, but after that, we calm down, we let the electoral process do it's job, we celebrate again on Inauguration day, and then we move forward. Yeah and hopefully we also start being critical towards Biden. If he ends up being a shit president, it needs to be said. Part of the saddest thing with Trump is that there were so few of his voters who ended up reflecting and coming to the conclusion that they should probably not have voted for him. With so many tech jobs it always bums me out that it seems companies are insistent on being in places like California with bloated costs of living. I'd like to see stuff that can be done remotely take place in rural states, if only for selfish reasons like I want to be able to get a job in games without having to live in an area that will drain a salary that would give me actual economic opportunities in states like Oklahoma or whatever, lol. I'd like to see the government subsidize this and to see some massive drain from CA and it's ilk. It's been happening, but not super fast. And then the next place they go to winds up having the same overinflated housing crisis. Specifically, Texas and Georgia had a big influx of cali residents to new tech companies. The other issue is that a lot of people don't want to move to conservative areas, even if they themselves are conservative. Cincinnati, for instance, is a very conservative region. It's also widely considered a shithole for anyone but white people who are already married, and can bring their own picket fence and 2.1 children. So in spite of having a bunch of corporate HQs, they have real regional brain drain issues and far more openings. Sure the pay is lower than california, but the cost of living is also 25-30% of California (it was one of the few places where rent stayed mostly stagnant over the past decade). If I wanted, I could pretty much name my price in the region as an app developer, easily making double my current salary (the benefits here are very nice, and I don't think it's worth giving up a job at a nice company for 70-80$k extra at a job I'd leave in a year). It's one of the few areas where I totally believe the companies when they said they had to use H1-B visas: they are hiring people from 10 states over who just graduated their undergrad, if they aren't using h1-b people. The h1-b people sometimes get caught having lied on their resume, and they get to stay lol.
It makes sense to try to redistribute at least some industry for both the reasons you describe there, but also to stimulate other areas of the country that absolutely need it.
You cut down on the conditions that feed toxic resentment that way as well.
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On November 07 2020 01:19 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2020 00:50 FlaShFTW wrote:On November 07 2020 00:46 Nevuk wrote:
I don't think there's a need for Biden to childishly attack Trump. That's what we have late night comedians (and Obama) for. (Obama has been doing some pretty funny Trump roasts lately).
With that said, we can't let it end like Nixon where the president was pardoned of all crimes, got away with no actual punishment, and the US people never got the full story of what happened. That just paves the way for another Trump in the future.
There was an excellent piece in 2016 from some major college about how to deal with Trump supporters when he lost (they were way too hopeful), and it basically said to not talk about Trump with his supporters and just let them deal with it in their own way, as attacking them for voting for Trump would just make them dig in their heels and feel ashamed/embarassed . That's still good logic for me, but there's a difference between attacking his voters and his enablers. Yes. We don't heal this country by mocking the other side. We heal by coming together, letting those people sit and reflect, and then when they're ready, we break bread and discuss politics like civilized people. This didn't happen in 2016 when Trump supporters were gleeful and full on mocking/making really hurtful messages to the liberals who lost. Myself included. Took me a couple years to realize that all that does is sow the divisiveness in this country. We get a couple days to celebrate as Biden supporters, but after that, we calm down, we let the electoral process do it's job, we celebrate again on Inauguration day, and then we move forward. Oh come on fuck it, give us at least a couple days of gloating.
oh gloat. for these next 2-3 days, go ahead and gloat! You deserve the spoils of war, and in this case, you deserve to. But after we come together and heal. I'm not saying to be a robot and show no emotion, today was FUCKING AWESOME. Just dont be excessive.
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Ironically, the biggest impediment to rural areas is probably lack of investment in their internet infrastructure (which has been enabled by Rebulicans refusing to publish comcast for literally burning government money instead of using it for this purpose) and anti-WFH culture(solved somewhat by covid). If you can get a job in a city and work from you farm 4 hours away then the distance of the actual job doesn't matter much.
This is what my brother-in-law does, but he still has issues since being an hour from the nearest city means that his only option is 512kbps DSL or super expensive satellite.
(My sister is a doctor and has 5 goats, 20 chickens, some turkeys, 4 cats, 3 dogs, and apparently just got some pigs... they just have most of them for fun? I don't really get it, aside from the chickens whose eags they eat and the goats who do their lawn.)
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On November 07 2020 01:23 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2020 01:12 Zambrah wrote:On November 07 2020 00:54 Biff The Understudy wrote:On November 07 2020 00:50 FlaShFTW wrote:On November 07 2020 00:46 Nevuk wrote:
I don't think there's a need for Biden to childishly attack Trump. That's what we have late night comedians (and Obama) for. (Obama has been doing some pretty funny Trump roasts lately).
With that said, we can't let it end like Nixon where the president was pardoned of all crimes, got away with no actual punishment, and the US people never got the full story of what happened. That just paves the way for another Trump in the future.
There was an excellent piece in 2016 from some major college about how to deal with Trump supporters when he lost (they were way too hopeful), and it basically said to not talk about Trump with his supporters and just let them deal with it in their own way, as attacking them for voting for Trump would just make them dig in their heels and feel ashamed/embarassed . That's still good logic for me, but there's a difference between attacking his voters and his enablers. Yes. We don't heal this country by mocking the other side. We heal by coming together, letting those people sit and reflect, and then when they're ready, we break bread and discuss politics like civilized people. This didn't happen in 2016 when Trump supporters were gleeful and full on mocking/making really hurtful messages to the liberals who lost. Myself included. Took me a couple years to realize that all that does is sow the divisiveness in this country. We get a couple days to celebrate as Biden supporters, but after that, we calm down, we let the electoral process do it's job, we celebrate again on Inauguration day, and then we move forward. Yeah and hopefully we also start being critical towards Biden. If he ends up being a shit president, it needs to be said. Part of the saddest thing with Trump is that there were so few of his voters who ended up reflecting and coming to the conclusion that they should probably not have voted for him. With so many tech jobs it always bums me out that it seems companies are insistent on being in places like California with bloated costs of living. I'd like to see stuff that can be done remotely take place in rural states, if only for selfish reasons like I want to be able to get a job in games without having to live in an area that will drain a salary that would give me actual economic opportunities in states like Oklahoma or whatever, lol. I'd like to see the government subsidize this and to see some massive drain from CA and it's ilk. It's been happening, but not super fast. And then the next place they go to winds up having the same overinflated housing crisis. Specifically, Texas and Georgia had a big influx of cali residents to new tech companies. The other issue is that a lot of people don't want to move to conservative areas, even if they themselves are conservative. Cincinnati, for instance, is a very conservative region. It's also widely considered a shithole for anyone but white people who are already married, and can bring their own picket fence and 2.1 children. So in spite of having a bunch of corporate HQs, they have real regional brain drain issues and far more openings. Sure the pay is lower than california, but the cost of living is also 25-30% of California (it was one of the few places where rent stayed mostly stagnant over the past decade). If I wanted, I could pretty much name my price in the region as an app developer, easily making double my current salary (the benefits here are very nice, and I don't think it's worth giving up a job at a nice company for 70-80$k extra at a job I'd leave in a year). It's one of the few areas where I totally believe the companies when they said they had to use H1-B visas: they are hiring people from 10 states over who just graduated their undergrad, if they aren't using h1-b people. The h1-b people sometimes get caught having lied on their resume, and they get to stay lol.
Even in Texas its concentrated in cities a little much for my taste, Austin as an example. I say this as a city person who has grown up in rural areas and have had to enjoy the scent of cow shit waft over my high school as the wind picks up in an unfortunate direction.
I agree though, give me somewhere stable, with a decent salary, and low cost of living over having to live in California in an area where being lower middle class might mean having to earn 400 fucking thousand buckeroonis, lol.
I'd hope Covid would unleash the remote work possibilities a bit more, I'm not sure its really accomplishing that unfortunately.
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Yes, please.
Also wtf is this about:
I m watching ABC and they have been saying the entire day, that in Pennsylvania there have been observers ALL THE TIME.
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What the hell is up with Alaska? anybody know?
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On November 07 2020 01:41 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:
What the hell is up with Alaska? anybody know?
I don't think even Alaska knows. The dem senatorial candidate was implying mail votes only started being counted today, but we really don't know.
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Ah, found it. 130k absentee and early voters haven't been counted yet and will start next week :
While many state legislative races remain undecided, President Donald Trump leads Democratic challenger Joe Biden by a 62% to 33% margin. Republican incumbents U.S. Sen. Dan Sullivan and U.S. Rep. Don Young also lead by similarly wide margins. Sixty-five percent of votes so far have gone against a ballot measure proposing to increase oil taxes, and a proposed election-reform measure is behind 43% to 56%.
As officials from both parties pored over data Wednesday, they said that 130,000 uncounted absentee and early votes will likely lean away from Republicans and diverge from the results so far. Those votes will be counted starting next week.
Anchorage Democratic Sen. Bill Wielechowski currently trails Republican Madeline Gaiser 51% to 49%, but as he looked at the remaining votes in the East Anchorage district, he was confident of victory.
“I think I’m going to win either by 800 or 1,000-1200,” he said, calling the remaining votes in his race “overwhelmingly Democratic, overwhelmingly progressive.”
https://www.adn.com/politics/2020/11/04/alaska-campaigns-expect-some-election-results-to-shift-as-remaining-ballots-are-counted-they-disagree-how-much/
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sigh...
BREAKING NEWS: The TL.net Decision Desk has a projection to make... that we already made over 12 hours ago. The TL.net Decision Desk can project that the states of Arizona, with its 11 Electoral votes, Nevada, with its 6 electoral votes, and Pennsylvania, with its 20 electoral votes, will go to Former Vice President Joe Biden. This puts Joe Biden at 290 projected electoral votes, making him the President-Elect of the United States.
We have not called Georgia yet... actually you know what? No fuck that noise. The TL.net Decision desk also projects Georgia to go to Joe Biden, increasing his total electoral vote tally to 306. There, end of the election. I'm grabbing a drink.
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Alaska accepts votes postmarked by election day for, like, another week (which is totally rational-the stage has vast gulfs of nothingness). So I think they wait a while to start counting.
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The WH Press Secretary has started deleting past tweets. Think they know what is about to happen.
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Next week? Wtf, I m glad that isn t a battleground state
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EPT
