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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10530 Posts
November 06 2020 17:07 GMT
#4441
On November 07 2020 02:06 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Nevada is clearly thinking along the lines of "okay, bets have completely stopped and it looks like Trump will be angrier at PA and GA, let's just finish this."

That or they really hate Fox and AP.

Or both!

Look guys, I'm helping!
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
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Nixer
Profile Joined July 2011
2774 Posts
November 06 2020 17:07 GMT
#4442
On November 07 2020 01:44 FlaShFTW wrote:
sigh...

BREAKING NEWS: The TL.net Decision Desk has a projection to make... that we already made over 12 hours ago. The TL.net Decision Desk can project that the states of Arizona, with its 11 Electoral votes, Nevada, with its 6 electoral votes, and Pennsylvania, with its 20 electoral votes, will go to Former Vice President Joe Biden. This puts Joe Biden at 290 projected electoral votes, making him the President-Elect of the United States.

We have not called Georgia yet... actually you know what? No fuck that noise. The TL.net Decision desk also projects Georgia to go to Joe Biden, increasing his total electoral vote tally to 306. There, end of the election. I'm grabbing a drink.

🚂 Sweepy Joe 🚂 306

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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
November 06 2020 17:09 GMT
#4443
It's 2020. The world is in turmoil. Starcraft is dead. Can we finally give <marquee> powers to pleb posters pls.
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10530 Posts
November 06 2020 17:11 GMT
#4444
On November 07 2020 02:09 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
It's 2020. The world is in turmoil. Starcraft is dead. Can we finally give <marquee> powers to pleb posters pls.

Even I don't have HTML rights even after I was making LR threads left in right between 2015-2016. smh.
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
November 06 2020 17:12 GMT
#4445
I would like to take a moment to draw attention to all the far left Twitter dipshits who repeatedly tried to pretend Joe Biden was in extreme mental decline and couldn't possibly campaign.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10530 Posts
November 06 2020 17:14 GMT
#4446
https://twitter.com/moisturizednerd/status/1324722735600250892?s=20

Someone has officially made a Georgia fan cam account. Maybe this was a mistake.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-06 17:17:31
November 06 2020 17:16 GMT
#4447
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11945 Posts
November 06 2020 17:17 GMT
#4448
On November 07 2020 01:56 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2020 01:55 Gorsameth wrote:
On November 07 2020 01:39 JimmiC wrote:
On November 07 2020 01:36 FlaShFTW wrote:
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1324751875112128513?s=20

Nevada lead widened. Jesus christ just call it. Or do I need to do it again?

Maybe TL needs to start promoting itself as a political analysis site and can brag about how accurate and early the calling of states was done. We have to be at least is credible as some of the sites that get listed.
Please don't give the mods an aneurysm by suggest to attract outside people to discuss politics on TL :p

Frankly we should have done the rebrand it 10 years ago when SC2 was already a dead game


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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 06 2020 17:19 GMT
#4449
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10530 Posts
November 06 2020 17:19 GMT
#4450
On November 07 2020 02:16 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2020 02:12 Mohdoo wrote:
I would like to take a moment to draw attention to all the far left Twitter dipshits who repeatedly tried to pretend Joe Biden was in extreme mental decline and couldn't possibly campaign.

Sadly it was not just twitter!


Another crazy thing we can mark up to 2020 is we have went from every news org trying to be the first to call the election, to every news org being scared shitless about calling the elections first! LOL



Show nested quote +
On November 07 2020 01:55 Gorsameth wrote:
On November 07 2020 01:39 JimmiC wrote:
On November 07 2020 01:36 FlaShFTW wrote:
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1324751875112128513?s=20

Nevada lead widened. Jesus christ just call it. Or do I need to do it again?

Maybe TL needs to start promoting itself as a political analysis site and can brag about how accurate and early the calling of states was done. We have to be at least is credible as some of the sites that get listed.
Please don't give the mods an aneurysm by suggest to attract outside people to discuss politics on TL :p


Wait I thought they loved it and that getting to use the Ban hammer kept them sharp and made them feel alive!

Little did they know that a good old fashioned StarCraft website would get it all right and ahead of schedule.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 06 2020 17:20 GMT
#4451
MSNBC won't commit to calling PA for Biden until he's ahead 35k.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
KungKras
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden484 Posts
November 06 2020 17:21 GMT
#4452
On November 07 2020 02:09 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
It's 2020. The world is in turmoil. Starcraft is dead. Can we finally give <marquee> powers to pleb posters pls.



Starcraft dead?

b-but I watched ASL last week? O_O
"When life gives me lemons, I go look for oranges"
TheCheapSkate
Profile Joined August 2011
Slovenia317 Posts
November 06 2020 17:24 GMT
#4453
I just want to thank everybody participating in this thread, its by far the best real-time information about the election I was able to find!
LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4570 Posts
November 06 2020 17:27 GMT
#4454
On November 07 2020 01:44 FlaShFTW wrote:
sigh...

BREAKING NEWS: The TL.net Decision Desk has a projection to make... that we already made over 12 hours ago. The TL.net Decision Desk can project that the states of Arizona, with its 11 Electoral votes, Nevada, with its 6 electoral votes, and Pennsylvania, with its 20 electoral votes, will go to Former Vice President Joe Biden. This puts Joe Biden at 290 projected electoral votes, making him the President-Elect of the United States.

We have not called Georgia yet... actually you know what? No fuck that noise. The TL.net Decision desk also projects Georgia to go to Joe Biden, increasing his total electoral vote tally to 306. There, end of the election. I'm grabbing a drink.



gg wp no re $_$

Lets hope it stays that way until the new President is in
Mute user function on TL; http://www.liquiddota.com/blogs/491245-mute-annoying-users-in-lr-threads
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10530 Posts
November 06 2020 17:27 GMT
#4455
On November 07 2020 02:24 TheCheapSkate wrote:
I just want to thank everybody participating in this thread, its by far the best real-time information about the election I was able to find!

Still can't believe there are so many of you that could've used twitter, major news sources, or anything else as your main source, but y'all came here to a little gaming website to get your info. Proud to have been of service. o7 We definitely must do this again for next time.
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
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ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
November 06 2020 17:28 GMT
#4456
On November 07 2020 01:57 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2020 01:53 ChristianS wrote:
On November 07 2020 00:50 FlaShFTW wrote:
On November 07 2020 00:46 Nevuk wrote:
I don't think there's a need for Biden to childishly attack Trump. That's what we have late night comedians (and Obama) for. (Obama has been doing some pretty funny Trump roasts lately).

With that said, we can't let it end like Nixon where the president was pardoned of all crimes, got away with no actual punishment, and the US people never got the full story of what happened. That just paves the way for another Trump in the future.

There was an excellent piece in 2016 from some major college about how to deal with Trump supporters when he lost (they were way too hopeful), and it basically said to not talk about Trump with his supporters and just let them deal with it in their own way, as attacking them for voting for Trump would just make them dig in their heels and feel ashamed/embarassed . That's still good logic for me, but there's a difference between attacking his voters and his enablers.

Yes. We don't heal this country by mocking the other side. We heal by coming together, letting those people sit and reflect, and then when they're ready, we break bread and discuss politics like civilized people. This didn't happen in 2016 when Trump supporters were gleeful and full on mocking/making really hurtful messages to the liberals who lost. Myself included. Took me a couple years to realize that all that does is sow the divisiveness in this country. We get a couple days to celebrate as Biden supporters, but after that, we calm down, we let the electoral process do it's job, we celebrate again on Inauguration day, and then we move forward.

I don’t know what “healing the country” looks like in this environment. It’s not just that Republicans obviously have no interest in “coming together” (although I wonder how long we’ll keep seeing those “fuck your feelings” shirts in the wild). They’ve overridden basically every democratic norm as soon as it remotely impeded power acquisition. It far predates the last four years, they still have most of the spoils of those moves, and they’ve given no indication whatsoever of stopping.

If GA goes how we should expect, and they retain the Senate, it’s very unlikely they’ll let Biden appoint a cabinet. If any judge seats need to be filled, they’ll leave them vacant until either they get back the White House, or Dems get back the Senate. Meanwhile every Dem state legislature will appoint an independent commission for drawing district lines, while every Republican state legislature will find the mathematically optimal configuration for maximum Republican seats with minimum persuaded voters.

The only part of what I just said that seems likely to change is Dems deciding they have to gerrymander too to stay competitive. Like, if this had been a landslide maybe some Republicans would pretend some contrition and appeal to restoring norms now that it would hurt them, but with this outcome they can stay the course, and almost certainly take back the House in 2022 while vowing to make Biden a 1 term president.

What healing is to be done there?

With Trump out of the office, there is a lot more potential for Republicans to move back to the center a bit. Trump took them on a wide ride, I'm sure a lot of them only hopped onto the train to stay in good faith with the Republican electorate. There is healing, you just have to look for it. Dems shouldn't be using this line of thought of "well they won't want to heal so why should we?" Dems should be, and are, the party with the higher moral ground and standing. Now they have to act like it. You can call out Republicans when they refuse to budge, you can call them out when they make really outlandish statements, but I'm done with the whole fuck them we'll do it ourselves argument. Hyper-modern politics is a disease. It's a tumor that continues to grow. Either we do some radiation and chemo, or we let the tumor grow. We have to at least try.

I mean if I were a national political figure I’d probably say “now it’s time for Republicans and Democrats to come together to tackle the many pressing problems facing our nation” or something similar, and push policy proposals the same way I would if I didn’t think Republican officials are soulless. If they decided to “come together” the door would be open. But come January Biden tries to appoint, I don’t know, Stacey Abrams to his cabinet. Do I think that is remotely likely to happen? Suppose Clarence Thomas dies in a couple years and Biden nominates Merrick Garland. Do I think they’re remotely likely to confirm him?

Republicans control 4x as many state legislatures as Democrats for redistricting. Am I honestly supposed to expect those Republican states won’t have an order of magnitude more wasted D votes than R votes come midterms? Like, they spent the last 10 years breaking down any norm or institution that would keep them from gaining and keeping power. Not only is there zero contrition about having done it, they’re *still doing* the ones they still have power over, and have shown no sign of stopping.

Like, fine, I think Dems shouldn’t stoop to the same “fuck your feelings” discourse. They should keep their eye on the horizon and focus on all of the shitty things that were killing us four years ago and have only gotten worse. One wonders if they even have the solutions and willingness to execute them within their own caucus, regardless of the Republicans, but they should concentrate there because that’s what actually matters.

But with Republicans in control of the Senate they’re better off focusing their energy on what they can accomplish by EO than trying to find some bipartisan solution Republicans will agree to. That sucks, considering one of those shitty things killing us is ever-expanding executive powers, but they don’t exactly have a ton of cards to play.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
November 06 2020 17:30 GMT
#4457
On November 07 2020 02:27 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2020 02:24 TheCheapSkate wrote:
I just want to thank everybody participating in this thread, its by far the best real-time information about the election I was able to find!

Still can't believe there are so many of you that could've used twitter, major news sources, or anything else as your main source, but y'all came here to a little gaming website to get your info. Proud to have been of service. o7 We definitely must do this again for next time.


Twitter sucks for reading extended discussions. The back and forth here is more enjoyable to read; I did that back in 2016 (despite the orange being voted in).
Yargh
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10530 Posts
November 06 2020 17:30 GMT
#4458
On November 07 2020 02:28 ChristianS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2020 01:57 FlaShFTW wrote:
On November 07 2020 01:53 ChristianS wrote:
On November 07 2020 00:50 FlaShFTW wrote:
On November 07 2020 00:46 Nevuk wrote:
I don't think there's a need for Biden to childishly attack Trump. That's what we have late night comedians (and Obama) for. (Obama has been doing some pretty funny Trump roasts lately).

With that said, we can't let it end like Nixon where the president was pardoned of all crimes, got away with no actual punishment, and the US people never got the full story of what happened. That just paves the way for another Trump in the future.

There was an excellent piece in 2016 from some major college about how to deal with Trump supporters when he lost (they were way too hopeful), and it basically said to not talk about Trump with his supporters and just let them deal with it in their own way, as attacking them for voting for Trump would just make them dig in their heels and feel ashamed/embarassed . That's still good logic for me, but there's a difference between attacking his voters and his enablers.

Yes. We don't heal this country by mocking the other side. We heal by coming together, letting those people sit and reflect, and then when they're ready, we break bread and discuss politics like civilized people. This didn't happen in 2016 when Trump supporters were gleeful and full on mocking/making really hurtful messages to the liberals who lost. Myself included. Took me a couple years to realize that all that does is sow the divisiveness in this country. We get a couple days to celebrate as Biden supporters, but after that, we calm down, we let the electoral process do it's job, we celebrate again on Inauguration day, and then we move forward.

I don’t know what “healing the country” looks like in this environment. It’s not just that Republicans obviously have no interest in “coming together” (although I wonder how long we’ll keep seeing those “fuck your feelings” shirts in the wild). They’ve overridden basically every democratic norm as soon as it remotely impeded power acquisition. It far predates the last four years, they still have most of the spoils of those moves, and they’ve given no indication whatsoever of stopping.

If GA goes how we should expect, and they retain the Senate, it’s very unlikely they’ll let Biden appoint a cabinet. If any judge seats need to be filled, they’ll leave them vacant until either they get back the White House, or Dems get back the Senate. Meanwhile every Dem state legislature will appoint an independent commission for drawing district lines, while every Republican state legislature will find the mathematically optimal configuration for maximum Republican seats with minimum persuaded voters.

The only part of what I just said that seems likely to change is Dems deciding they have to gerrymander too to stay competitive. Like, if this had been a landslide maybe some Republicans would pretend some contrition and appeal to restoring norms now that it would hurt them, but with this outcome they can stay the course, and almost certainly take back the House in 2022 while vowing to make Biden a 1 term president.

What healing is to be done there?

With Trump out of the office, there is a lot more potential for Republicans to move back to the center a bit. Trump took them on a wide ride, I'm sure a lot of them only hopped onto the train to stay in good faith with the Republican electorate. There is healing, you just have to look for it. Dems shouldn't be using this line of thought of "well they won't want to heal so why should we?" Dems should be, and are, the party with the higher moral ground and standing. Now they have to act like it. You can call out Republicans when they refuse to budge, you can call them out when they make really outlandish statements, but I'm done with the whole fuck them we'll do it ourselves argument. Hyper-modern politics is a disease. It's a tumor that continues to grow. Either we do some radiation and chemo, or we let the tumor grow. We have to at least try.

I mean if I were a national political figure I’d probably say “now it’s time for Republicans and Democrats to come together to tackle the many pressing problems facing our nation” or something similar, and push policy proposals the same way I would if I didn’t think Republican officials are soulless. If they decided to “come together” the door would be open. But come January Biden tries to appoint, I don’t know, Stacey Abrams to his cabinet. Do I think that is remotely likely to happen? Suppose Clarence Thomas dies in a couple years and Biden nominates Merrick Garland. Do I think they’re remotely likely to confirm him?

Republicans control 4x as many state legislatures as Democrats for redistricting. Am I honestly supposed to expect those Republican states won’t have an order of magnitude more wasted D votes than R votes come midterms? Like, they spent the last 10 years breaking down any norm or institution that would keep them from gaining and keeping power. Not only is there zero contrition about having done it, they’re *still doing* the ones they still have power over, and have shown no sign of stopping.

Like, fine, I think Dems shouldn’t stoop to the same “fuck your feelings” discourse. They should keep their eye on the horizon and focus on all of the shitty things that were killing us four years ago and have only gotten worse. One wonders if they even have the solutions and willingness to execute them within their own caucus, regardless of the Republicans, but they should concentrate there because that’s what actually matters.

But with Republicans in control of the Senate they’re better off focusing their energy on what they can accomplish by EO than trying to find some bipartisan solution Republicans will agree to. That sucks, considering one of those shitty things killing us is ever-expanding executive powers, but they don’t exactly have a ton of cards to play.

I think I agree to every thing you have just said, but maybe our views diverge on what we consider to be "unity". Unity does not mean Dems should just give everything to Reps to appease them. That's not what I meant to imply. Dems should still fight and fight hard, just not try to employ so many of the dirty tactics that Republicans employed during their tenure.
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dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-06 17:32:37
November 06 2020 17:31 GMT
#4459
On November 07 2020 02:27 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2020 02:24 TheCheapSkate wrote:
I just want to thank everybody participating in this thread, its by far the best real-time information about the election I was able to find!

Still can't believe there are so many of you that could've used twitter, major news sources, or anything else as your main source, but y'all came here to a little gaming website to get your info. Proud to have been of service. o7 We definitely must do this again for next time.

Well when you re not from the USA its hard to find anything on twitter, because
you have no idear about states, countys, etc.
you have no idear what state is supposed to be blue or red
you have no idear what twitter accounts to follow for updates
and so on.

The only media I knew beforehand from the USA was Fox news and NYT
So thanks a lot for all the work to you and others, who did all the number gathering here
MaxPax
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
November 06 2020 17:32 GMT
#4460
Democrats should give Republicans basically fuck all. Too often the Democrat version of compromise is actually to just do whatever Republicans want.

I want hard ball.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
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