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polgas
Canada1791 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22662 Posts
On November 04 2020 03:46 GoTuNk! wrote: The idea is that Trump claims he won. Says anything else is false/fraud ect. It gets to the courts and they either agree with Trump or he keeps it tied up in litigation.The "conspiracy theory" is that somehow Trump will say he won if he loses and get away with it or something. Mail in ballots have been disputed in courts since always, so they COULD be a factor if the election is really really close. If Biden is up 10-14 pts as the polls suggests, it's a non issue. Without a clear result Republican governors appoint their own electors who are loyal to Trump to vote for him at the electoral college regardless of the actual states vote. And Trump wins off that. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On November 04 2020 02:58 Biff The Understudy wrote: To be honest, I still think that the destruction of habitats and ecosystems and the deforestation are significantly bigger problems that climate change. And I am not one to minimize climate change impact, but the fact that we are in a bigger extinction event than the one that wiped out the dinosaurs and that it really looks like we are just getting started is absolutely chilling. I think one of the problem with the climate change debate is that we concentrate so much on it that we forget to mention that insects have been devastated, that the oceans are getting completely emptied, and so on and so forth. I have witnessed it with my own eyes in many occasions; that thought : "weren't there butterflies / fishes / birds when I came here as a kid" is one of the saddest and scariest for our long term future I have had. Now of course, both problems are interlinked, but maybe sone people who don't like scientists and specialists to tell them what is going on would actually relate to the fact no bird ever fly above their farm anymore. It really is sad. I forget the statistic on coral reefs but I think like 70 or more percent going to be gone in less than a decade. These things will be existential threats just like climate change but yes they are linked. Don't know why it's so hard to persuade people to value all the life that is around us and sustains us. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9331 Posts
On November 04 2020 03:57 LegalLord wrote: Anyone have a good live results tracker? I know we won't get results for a while, but hopefully someone made a nice-to-read map that you can follow along with throughout the night. Was linked in this thread earlier dunno how good it is https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/president/ | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10569 Posts
On November 04 2020 03:57 LegalLord wrote: Anyone have a good live results tracker? I know we won't get results for a while, but hopefully someone made a nice-to-read map that you can follow along with throughout the night. https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/results/president https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11/03/us/election-day?action=click&pgtype=Article&state=default&module=styln-elections-2020®ion=TOP_BANNER&context=storyline_menu_recirc I like to use NYT but they said they're doing some things differently this year. I like to have the 2016 map open to see how some counties are trending compared to last election, gives you a good bit of insight into who might be leading. Politico is also good, I'll have that up for the night as well. | ||
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Howie_Dewitt
United States1416 Posts
Circle of friends has been joking about "gunshots or fireworks" for a while now, I can feel the tension. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On November 04 2020 03:58 Sent. wrote: Was linked in this thread earlier dunno how good it is https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/president/ Certainly looks like it has good coverage! Hopefully they update in a timely fashion; all the key national and state results seem to be included there. On November 04 2020 04:01 FlaShFTW wrote: https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/results/president https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11/03/us/election-day?action=click&pgtype=Article&state=default&module=styln-elections-2020®ion=TOP_BANNER&context=storyline_menu_recirc I like to use NYT but they said they're doing some things differently this year. I like to have the 2016 map open to see how some counties are trending compared to last election, gives you a good bit of insight into who might be leading. Politico is also good, I'll have that up for the night as well. I really liked that NYT tracker last election. Shame they're not doing it again, but yeah I'll keep it up as a reference since they have excellent visuals. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10569 Posts
On November 04 2020 04:02 LegalLord wrote: Certainly looks like it has good coverage! Hopefully they update in a timely fashion; all the key national and state results seem to be included there. I really liked that NYT tracker last election. Shame they're not doing it again, but yeah I'll keep it up as a reference since they have excellent visuals. We'll see if the website updates back to something similar they had in 2016, I would love for that to be the case. If it happens, I'll be sure to let people know. Until then, we have to wait the long 3-4 hours until the first states close. Tension is rising. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9331 Posts
Voting in space has been possible since 1997 when a bill passed to legally allow voting from space in Texas. Since then, several NASA astronauts have exercised this civic duty from orbit. As NASA works toward sending astronauts to the Moon in 2024 and eventually on to Mars, the agency plans to continue to ensure astronauts who want to vote in space are able to, no matter where in the solar system they may be. https://www.nasa.gov/feature/astronauts-to-vote-in-space | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10011 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10011 Posts
On November 04 2020 04:52 The_Templar wrote: Was there another option, or were 29% of conservative voters undecided? Oh sorry there's a more detailed breakdown here: https://yougov.co.uk/topics/international/articles-reports/2020/10/08/europe-wants-joe-biden-beat-donald-trump?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=website_article&utm_campaign=Europe_US_election Responses not shown are 'don't know' | ||
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Deleted User 173346
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The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
On November 04 2020 04:54 Jockmcplop wrote: Oh sorry there's a more detailed breakdown here: https://yougov.co.uk/topics/international/articles-reports/2020/10/08/europe-wants-joe-biden-beat-donald-trump?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=website_article&utm_campaign=Europe_US_election Responses not shown are 'don't know' Thanks. Those "free and fair" poll numbers feel like a slap in the face, but honestly, I'm not sure if the polls are free and fair either, so I can't really argue against them. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10569 Posts
https://twitter.com/umichvoter99/status/1323714894143827975?s=20 https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1323716736257003528?s=20 Dems being only -1.5 in the early registered voter and mail is pretty good, I think they were -6 in 2016. Really good signs for Ds in Florida. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
That said, Trump's advisors said last year on election day that it was going to take a miracle for Trump to win. Per NBC WH correspondent I've also read that FL is only on track for an R +1.5-2% total turnout, and they need 3%+ to win, but the sources for this are sketchier (not the 1.5% , that seems true, the 3% number). (FlashFtW's numbers are what I'm talking about) | ||
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schaf
Germany1326 Posts
On November 04 2020 05:09 FlaShFTW wrote: I think these are registered voters who have voted but some news from Florida: https://twitter.com/umichvoter99/status/1323714894143827975?s=20 https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1323716736257003528?s=20 Dems being only -1.5 in the early registered voter and mail is pretty good, I think they were -6 in 2016. Really good signs for Ds in Florida. Is independent vote split among multiple candidates? Since in Nate Silvers last numbers they are tied with Ds over Republicans. Oh and is Kanye on the ballot anywhere? | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10569 Posts
On November 04 2020 05:12 schaf wrote: Is independent vote split among multiple candidates? Since in Nate Silvers last numbers they are tied with Ds over Republicans. Oh and is Kanye on the ballot anywhere? Indie vote is definitely leaning Biden this election but the polling has been all over the place according to Nate Silver. Florida last election had 4% go to 3rd party candidate in TOTAL. so I doubt indies will go to 3rd parties in swaths. EDIT: THE NEW YORK TIMES MAP IS BACK BABY! @LegalLord, check the NYT website now. This is the most giddy I've been in a while. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11/03/us/election-day?action=click&pgtype=Article&state=default&module=styln-elections-2020®ion=TOP_BANNER&context=storyline_menu_recirc | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On November 04 2020 05:11 Nevuk wrote: Cautious update so far. Election day turnout in PA is lower than Trump's campaign would like, according to two members of their campaign who spoke to an NBC reporter. They cite very long lines as part of the issue (some other commentors I've read have said 3 hour lines to vote, longer than the 2 hours in the tweet). That said, Trump's advisors said last year on election day that it was going to take a miracle for Trump to win. Per NBC WH correspondent https://twitter.com/PeterAlexander/status/1323708667213058048 I've also read that FL is only on track for an R +1.5-2% total turnout, and they need 3%+ to win, but the sources for this are sketchier (not the 1.5% , that seems true, the 3% number). (FlashFtW's numbers are what I'm talking about) huh he is already at 1.41% and he seems to be gaining votes every hour, I don't see any reason to think otherwise Nothing to say on PA | ||
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