Coronavirus and You - Page 447

On August 31 2021 10:33 Emnjay808 wrote:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CTN6ThVIKBl/?utm_medium=copy_link

Hawaii requiring vaccine card or proof of negative test to enter gyms, restaurants etc.

For the anti vax guys having to take a test (aka shove a long stick up ur nose) I don’t feel bad for. I do feel bad for the ones who are not eligible for health reasons (or the like) though.

On August 31 2021 12:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:


Glad to hear that anti-vaxxers' lives and luxuries are being disrupted with penalties and consequences, especially since they can literally end these additional frustrations at any time, by getting vaccinated.

I agree that those who are immunocompromised and ineligible are in a shitty situation. Don't know if they can be exempt from some of these regulations, somehow... although for their own safety, maybe they shouldn't be exempt.

On August 31 2021 14:08 Mohdoo wrote:

I liked the logic British Columbia used. If you aren’t able to be medically vaccinated, you should definitely not be going to the gym in the middle of a pandemic. Especially during a big spike. I buy it. When people have reactions to a vaccine it is the immune system reacting. That response will always be worse from the actual infection, so if you can’t get the vax, you’re fucked if you got covid. So you better just stay home lol

On August 31 2021 19:44 Elroi wrote:

No. You can also have some weird allergy. But, obviously, as the architect of a utopian society you couldn't possibly take such details into consideration...

How many people can't take the vaccine for medical reasons by the way?

On August 31 2021 20:00 Anc13nt wrote:


https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2021/08/19/what-are-the-medical-exemptions-for-not-getting-a-covid-19-vaccine/

if we're talking solely about allergies, 5 in a million (potentially an overestimate) might get anaphylaxis. Since the anaphylaxis is rapid onset but easily treatable, they make you wait 15-30 minutes after getting vaccinated for safety reasons.

There are no known medical conditions which absolutely prevent a person from getting a Covid-19 vaccine.

On August 31 2021 12:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:


Glad to hear that anti-vaxxers' lives and luxuries are being disrupted with penalties and consequences, especially since they can literally end these additional frustrations at any time, by getting vaccinated.

I agree that those who are immunocompromised and ineligible are in a shitty situation. Don't know if they can be exempt from some of these regulations, somehow... although for their own safety, maybe they shouldn't be exempt.

On August 31 2021 23:44 JimmiC wrote:
As long as all the people that can do then those that can't will be safe. Its not the rules fucking those people, its the same selfish people fucking them that are the rest of us.

Perhaps the answer in the US is to have the immunocompromised sue the antivaxxers.

On September 01 2021 01:38 Mohdoo wrote:


I had a discussion with a guy who was saying vaccines shouldn't be mandatory because he has a medical condition that prevents him from being vaccinated. Then I told him he should of course not be required to get it and that the only way we can keep him safe is if the people who don't have reactions get vaccinated. At that point it became clear he did not have a medical condition that prevents him from being vaccinated XD

On August 31 2021 20:36 Elroi wrote:

lol it sounds like we're discussing a non-issue again:

You'd have to be really unlucky to be both one of the 5 in one million to be allergic and being at risk for severe covid since the two are unrelated.

On September 01 2021 07:30 Slydie wrote:
As a person who likes statistics, vaccines are a no brainer if you go by the numbers. Surprisingly, UK and Spain had large recent waves of cases despite a high vaccine %, but the numbers of deaths and hospitalizations were much lower this time.

The big question for me is, how and when do we return to normal life? Afaik, Denmark is the first country who said that October 1st, all COVID measures will end.

What is the point chasing low numbers with mass testing and quarantines if the worst case scenario is similar to an average flu season? This is if the vaccine % is high enough.

The recovery of our minds is going to take years! I don't think the downsides of inducing as much fear as possible through media were well reflected on.

Even when the numbers are looking great, the Spanish government is sponsoring Facebook ads where they count historic deaths and cases, much of which happened a long time ago😠

On September 01 2021 07:30 Slydie wrote:
As a person who likes statistics, vaccines are a no brainer if you go by the numbers. Surprisingly, UK and Spain had large recent waves of cases despite a high vaccine %, but the numbers of deaths and hospitalizations were much lower this time.

The big question for me is, how and when do we return to normal life? Afaik, Denmark is the first country who said that October 1st, all COVID measures will end.

What is the point chasing low numbers with mass testing and quarantines if the worst case scenario is similar to an average flu season? This is if the vaccine % is high enough.

The recovery of our minds is going to take years! I don't think the downsides of inducing as much fear as possible through media were well reflected on.

Even when the numbers are looking great, the Spanish government is sponsoring Facebook ads where they count historic deaths and cases, much of which happened a long time ago😠

On September 01 2021 07:54 WombaT wrote:

Is the U.K. having a pretty hefty raft of cases surprising?

I mean we’ve opened up a lot and from my understanding vaccines don’t inhibit the spread/contraction of delta to a massive degree. But do limit the onset of severe health complications massively, so with our rather effective vaccination program we’re doing grand.

It has some effect in overall caseload too, to my layman’s understanding anyway. Northern Ireland having higher per capita cases than England despite opening up considerably more slowly is probably largely explicable by a lower vaccination rate.

I’m assuming the plan is to muddle on and just open up and return things to normal when the vaccination rates are high enough. And hope some particularly nasty variant doesn’t crop up.

I don’t know, I don’t see much point pushing to keep the spread low in some areas while being entirely lax in others. From what I’ve heard oversight in ensuring compliance in foreign travel guidelines is borderline non-existent, to take one area.