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Berlin, Germany.
The way this is treated here in germany and austria (my home country) makes me pretty certain that there are already a lot more cases. I don´t fear for my life, I just would hate a quarantine situation. I started to stock up a bit on food, something that feels very strange for me since I never did it before (never lived in a place that was really threatened by natural disaster).
Somehow I more fear for the markets. Got some money in a fund and thinking about taking my gains before it´s to late, don´t know who to trust though. It´s strange times really, just a certain unease around everything.
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Getting kinda shitty :
- Several cases in a military base not that far, that could be mine
- A 4-week trip planned last year in Thailand at the end of March to see the in-laws, everything already booked and paid for...
I am unsure if : my employer will let me leave, the airline will let us leave or come back, the countries themselves would forbid travel or repel us at the entrance...
My wife is not taking that well since she saved her holidays all year long for this...
Not afraid about the virus itself... Even if there's 1 million cases in the country, it's still less than 2% chance to get it, and then, since we are young and in good health, probably a less than 1% chance to actually die.
It's more like a major annoyance.
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On February 29 2020 18:46 Artisreal wrote:
idk whether the question in the OP regarding masks was discussed yet. But our government agency says roughtly the following:
Low level Masks are effective for 20 or so mins, even for the healthy until they get wet --> single use during a short train journey. Apart from that I've heard a couple of ppmedical professionals say that it's better not to use masks because you touch your face more with them one --> smear infections.
For professional protection you should use a mask (with FFP2 or 3).
In Denmark the current recommendation is to use FFP3 masks only when doing cough-provoking procedures - I.e. suction from airways and intubation. So frankly, at this point FFP3 masks seem overkill for more widespread public use. On the other hand, it does seem like Danish authorities are dragging their feet.
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It is blowing up in Korea and Iran. Even if it will eventually be defeated, the damage is already massive.
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On February 29 2020 01:57 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2020 01:53 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
A runny nose is not a symptom of coronavirus. Please don't spread misinformation. You should immediately contact the CDC and tell them this. Show nested quote +A: Limited reports of children with COVID-19 in China have described cold-like symptoms, such as fever, runny nose, and cough www.cdc.gov
Maybe don't selectively quote from a page of information? It literally writes limited reports from children. The actual symptoms page is here https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/symptoms.html and is quite literally For confirmed coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) cases, reported illnesses have ranged from mild symptoms to severe illness and death. Symptoms can include:
Fever
Cough
Shortness of breath
Why anybody would act like an american website run by the Trump administration is the pinnacle of information is quite beyond me anyways but whatever.
Anyways at the moment nothing has changed, though in my city everyone will be infected almost immediately from travelling in the underground.
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On February 29 2020 22:22 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2020 01:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 29 2020 01:53 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
A runny nose is not a symptom of coronavirus. Please don't spread misinformation. You should immediately contact the CDC and tell them this. A: Limited reports of children with COVID-19 in China have described cold-like symptoms, such as fever, runny nose, and cough www.cdc.gov Maybe don't selectively quote from a page of information? It literally writes limited reports from children. The actual symptoms page is here https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/symptoms.html and is quite literally Show nested quote +For confirmed coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) cases, reported illnesses have ranged from mild symptoms to severe illness and death. Symptoms can include:
Fever
Cough
Shortness of breath
Why anybody would act like an american website run by the Trump administration is the pinnacle of information is quite beyond me anyways but whatever. Anyways at the moment nothing has changed, though in my city everyone will be infected almost immediately from travelling in the underground.
Not sure what your issue is but this is what I read from the World Health Organization.
The most common symptoms of COVID-19 are fever, tiredness, and dry cough. Some patients may have aches and pains, nasal congestion, runny nose, sore throat or diarrhea.
www.who.int
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I actually went out and bought the recommended general emergency supplies today. This is something I have planned to do for well over a year but never got around to. I don't think any of them will help against a Corona infection either (it's mostly for loss power/water/heating/internet).
But probably all the virus talk is what pushed me to actually do it.
Other than that not much is happening in Sweden.
I think watching Iran closely is going to be a really good measurement on how worried one should be considering that it's a large country with somewhat poor health infrastructure which seems to be handling the situation abysmally. If it works out relatively well there anyway there is no reason to be alarmed.
Also the virus is lower respiratory tract infection so runny nose should not be a primary symptom. But it's important to know that there is always outliers and some patients may have more then one disease at the same time as well. So if you have a runny nose you should be a lot less worried than if you have all the cardinal signs (and even if you have all of them you probably should not be that worried if the risk of you being infected is low, it's flu season after all so there is a lot of normal shit going around).
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On February 29 2020 23:05 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Also the virus is lower respiratory tract infection so runny nose should not be a primary symptom. But it's important to know that there is always outliers and some patients may have more then one disease at the same time as well. So if you have a runny nose you should be a lot less worried than if you have all the cardinal signs (and even if you have all of them you probably should not be that worried if the risk of you being infected is low, it's flu season after all so there is a lot of normal shit going around).
Yeah, I don't think a runny nose is common for people with corona virus, it's probably mostly from people that have more than one disease like you say.
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On February 29 2020 23:15 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2020 23:05 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Also the virus is lower respiratory tract infection so runny nose should not be a primary symptom. But it's important to know that there is always outliers and some patients may have more then one disease at the same time as well. So if you have a runny nose you should be a lot less worried than if you have all the cardinal signs (and even if you have all of them you probably should not be that worried if the risk of you being infected is low, it's flu season after all so there is a lot of normal shit going around). Yeah, I don't think a runny nose is common for people with corona virus, it's probably mostly from people that have more than one disease like you say.
It's common enough for the WHO to list it in their paragraph of symptoms, but you're right. I'm sure TL knows better than the WHO.
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On February 29 2020 23:19 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2020 23:15 HolydaKing wrote:On February 29 2020 23:05 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Also the virus is lower respiratory tract infection so runny nose should not be a primary symptom. But it's important to know that there is always outliers and some patients may have more then one disease at the same time as well. So if you have a runny nose you should be a lot less worried than if you have all the cardinal signs (and even if you have all of them you probably should not be that worried if the risk of you being infected is low, it's flu season after all so there is a lot of normal shit going around). Yeah, I don't think a runny nose is common for people with corona virus, it's probably mostly from people that have more than one disease like you say. It's common enough for the WHO to list it in their paragraph of symptoms, but you're right. I'm sure TL knows better than the WHO.
The full paragraph reads like this:
The most common symptoms of COVID-19 are fever, tiredness, and dry cough.
Cardinal symptoms of the disease.
Some patients may have aches and pains, nasal congestion, runny nose, sore throat or diarrhea.
When written like this these symptoms are much less common, often by a factor of 10 or more.
These symptoms are usually mild and begin gradually. Some people become infected but don’t develop any symptoms and don't feel unwell. Most people (about 80%) recover from the disease without needing special treatment. Around 1 out of every 6 people who gets COVID-19 becomes seriously ill and develops difficulty breathing. Older people, and those with underlying medical problems like high blood pressure, heart problems or diabetes, are more likely to develop serious illness. About 2% of people with the disease have died. People with fever, cough and difficulty breathing should seek medical attention.
It's dangerous if it's a lower respiratory infection (IE: In your lungs). If you have it in your upper respiratory tract your not going do die.
It's of course extremely important for people to know that just because you have a runny nose (or even very mild or no symptoms) you might still have the disease and transmit it so that people at risk for infection get tested and isolate themselves even if they have a runny nose.
However it is also important to note that if one of your main symptoms is a runny nose you probably don't have Corona. If you also have no plausible infection vector this risk is even lower. It's important to be realistic and realize that all the other viruses that normally goes around this time a year (the month is known as VAB-ruari in Sweden for a reason, VAB = being home taking care of sick kids) are still out there and the risk of catching the common cold (resulting in a runny nose) is much, much higher than having an atypical Corona infection.
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On February 29 2020 23:32 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2020 23:19 Acrofales wrote:On February 29 2020 23:15 HolydaKing wrote:On February 29 2020 23:05 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Also the virus is lower respiratory tract infection so runny nose should not be a primary symptom. But it's important to know that there is always outliers and some patients may have more then one disease at the same time as well. So if you have a runny nose you should be a lot less worried than if you have all the cardinal signs (and even if you have all of them you probably should not be that worried if the risk of you being infected is low, it's flu season after all so there is a lot of normal shit going around). Yeah, I don't think a runny nose is common for people with corona virus, it's probably mostly from people that have more than one disease like you say. It's common enough for the WHO to list it in their paragraph of symptoms, but you're right. I'm sure TL knows better than the WHO. The full paragraph reads like this: The most common symptoms of COVID-19 are fever, tiredness, and dry cough. Cardinal symptoms of the disease. Some patients may have aches and pains, nasal congestion, runny nose, sore throat or diarrhea. When written like this these symptoms are much less common, often by a factor of 10 or more. These symptoms are usually mild and begin gradually. Some people become infected but don’t develop any symptoms and don't feel unwell. Most people (about 80%) recover from the disease without needing special treatment. Around 1 out of every 6 people who gets COVID-19 becomes seriously ill and develops difficulty breathing. Older people, and those with underlying medical problems like high blood pressure, heart problems or diabetes, are more likely to develop serious illness. About 2% of people with the disease have died. People with fever, cough and difficulty breathing should seek medical attention.It's dangerous if it's a lower respiratory infection (IE: In your lungs). If you have it in your upper respiratory tract your not going do die. It's of course extremely important for people to know that just because you have a runny nose (or even very mild or no symptoms) you might still have the disease and transmit it so that people at risk for infection get tested and isolate themselves even if they have a runny nose. However it is also important to note that if one of your main symptoms is a runny nose you probably don't have Corona. If you also have no plausible infection vector this risk is even lower. It's important to be realistic and realize that all the other viruses that normally goes around this time a year (the month is known as VAB-ruari in Sweden for a reason, VAB = being home taking care of sick kids) are still out there and the risk of catching the common cold (resulting in a runny nose) is much, much higher than having an atypical Corona infection.
All of that is true. But that wasn't what HolydaKing said.
Oh, and even if you do have fever, a dry cough and are tired, you probably also don't have Corona virus.
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On March 01 2020 00:01 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2020 23:32 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:On February 29 2020 23:19 Acrofales wrote:On February 29 2020 23:15 HolydaKing wrote:On February 29 2020 23:05 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Also the virus is lower respiratory tract infection so runny nose should not be a primary symptom. But it's important to know that there is always outliers and some patients may have more then one disease at the same time as well. So if you have a runny nose you should be a lot less worried than if you have all the cardinal signs (and even if you have all of them you probably should not be that worried if the risk of you being infected is low, it's flu season after all so there is a lot of normal shit going around). Yeah, I don't think a runny nose is common for people with corona virus, it's probably mostly from people that have more than one disease like you say. It's common enough for the WHO to list it in their paragraph of symptoms, but you're right. I'm sure TL knows better than the WHO. The full paragraph reads like this: The most common symptoms of COVID-19 are fever, tiredness, and dry cough. Cardinal symptoms of the disease. Some patients may have aches and pains, nasal congestion, runny nose, sore throat or diarrhea. When written like this these symptoms are much less common, often by a factor of 10 or more. These symptoms are usually mild and begin gradually. Some people become infected but don’t develop any symptoms and don't feel unwell. Most people (about 80%) recover from the disease without needing special treatment. Around 1 out of every 6 people who gets COVID-19 becomes seriously ill and develops difficulty breathing. Older people, and those with underlying medical problems like high blood pressure, heart problems or diabetes, are more likely to develop serious illness. About 2% of people with the disease have died. People with fever, cough and difficulty breathing should seek medical attention.It's dangerous if it's a lower respiratory infection (IE: In your lungs). If you have it in your upper respiratory tract your not going do die. It's of course extremely important for people to know that just because you have a runny nose (or even very mild or no symptoms) you might still have the disease and transmit it so that people at risk for infection get tested and isolate themselves even if they have a runny nose. However it is also important to note that if one of your main symptoms is a runny nose you probably don't have Corona. If you also have no plausible infection vector this risk is even lower. It's important to be realistic and realize that all the other viruses that normally goes around this time a year (the month is known as VAB-ruari in Sweden for a reason, VAB = being home taking care of sick kids) are still out there and the risk of catching the common cold (resulting in a runny nose) is much, much higher than having an atypical Corona infection. All of that is true. But that wasn't what HolydaKing said. Oh, and even if you do have fever, a dry cough and are tired, you probably also don't have Corona virus.
It's exactly what I said, don't know what you read. I basically said it's not common and if it's all you have it's probably (or rather most certainly) not corona, dunno if it sounded different. What you just said is of course true as well, but if you have travelled into regions where there are corona cases or live in those regions it's quite possible you got it.
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One thing is that people are transmitting the virus often before it properly reaches the lungs and symptoms appear / people feel ill.
Funny though how little people I see on public transport or in the office know about how to properly wash hands or cough/ sneeze.
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Seattle, Washington.
We had the first US case and a few suspects at the university that turned out negative (I think?). We now have the first death from coronavirus in the US: https://abcnews.go.com/US/high-school-student-washington-latest-coronavirus-community-spread/story?id=69301655
Some high schooler in the state had it and didn't quarantine so now they're sweeping his school. Also someone came back from Korea with the virus.
Personally aside from the sense of unease everything is more or less the same. Stocking up on food. I can work from home and can probably go at least a week without leaving my house if needed.
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California here, minimal impact so far. I do live in a mostly Chinese American part of town and people have started the panic buying. Today, I ended up buying my groceries from the less Chinese part of town. The coworker that is panicking the most is Chinese American. She already started bugging our white coworkers to buy her masks from the less Chinese areas more than a month ago.
We do have our first cases of likely community transmission this week in the US. I'm currently more concerned about possible quarantines (and the shortages that come with it) than I am about the virus itself. I should be able to work from home if I'm able to take my laptop with me before any possible quarantine hits. I live alone and eat out all the time so that's a bigger concern than anything else.
On February 29 2020 23:32 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
However it is also important to note that if one of your main symptoms is a runny nose you probably don't have Corona. If you also have no plausible infection vector this risk is even lower. It's important to be realistic and realize that all the other viruses that normally goes around this time a year (the month is known as VAB-ruari in Sweden for a reason, VAB = being home taking care of sick kids) are still out there and the risk of catching the common cold (resulting in a runny nose) is much, much higher than having an atypical Corona infection.
Well, we already have 4 endemic coronaviruses circulating among humans. Some experts believe that, when all is said and done, this could be the fifth.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/
The current 4 are some of the most common causes of the common cold. For most people, it's going to be hard to tell if they have an old coronavirus instead of the new one. Runny nose is one of the symptoms of the old ones.
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Let's keep the thread about the virus and its impacts, and keep the partisanship out of it. Thanks.
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I am hearing word that the virus is in Maryland now. I already have a stock of food, my wife can telework, I have not yet started new job, so we will be staying indoors.
Hopefully I don't have it already and I won't be having to deal with it any time soon.
I also hope that people don't get crazy. From what I hear, the level of incompetence has managed to be even higher than I expected. Weirdly high levels of incompetence. I expect an explosion of cases soon.
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I'm supposed to be going to Japan for vacation for the first time in mid April, assuming travel between our countries is still open and they aren't trying to quarantine people returning from Asia. We'll see how that goes. The only thing I've bought so far is my flight. Should be able to get some killer deals on hotels.
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First death in the US is in my state so I'm basically presuming it is getting added to the seasonal mix for sure at this point. See how it holds up to less vulnerable immune systems next season I guess.
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Feels like there is not much hope to stop the spread. More and more confirmed cases popping up in the Netherlands. One was in a hospital ward for a full week before being tested for the virus, others have been partying in pubs during carnaval. So who knows how many it has already spread to.
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