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Manit0u
Poland17847 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 03 2020 07:27 Manit0u wrote: Another interesting study: This is a clear indication that China has vastly understated their infection levels. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4290 Posts
On March 03 2020 07:29 Mohdoo wrote: This is a clear indication that China has vastly understated their infection levels. agreed.. I would personally add at least one 0 to their cases and death counts.. anyways - Poland here.. still no official cases of the virus yet, but I can hardly believe that this may be true.. I'm kinda afraid of getting out of my home to be honest.. Hope this thing will peter out sooner than later. Borders and border control should be reinstated, at least for the time being, imo. This pandemic is no joke. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17847 Posts
On March 03 2020 07:35 M3t4PhYzX wrote: agreed.. I would personally add at least one 0 to their cases and death counts.. anyways - Poland here.. still no official cases of the virus yet, but I can hardly believe that this may be true.. I'm kinda afraid of getting out of my home to be honest.. Hope this thing will peter out sooner than later. Borders and border control should be reinstated, at least for the time being, imo. This pandemic is no joke. Media remains silent. In Lublin we have 9 suspected cases and 100 people on epidemiological watchlist. Near Zakopane you have about 8 cases (one of which was treated for pneumonia for 10 days with friends and family visiting and then it turned out to be nCov). Warsaw has 15 suspected cases last time I checked. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
In all likelihood, plenty of others have died from it, but weren't counted because the timing didn't line up. Right now it looks like people have been walking around infected in Seattle since mid January. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24370 Posts
On March 03 2020 07:51 Mohdoo wrote: In Seattle, the reason the 6 dead weren't considered nCov patients was because of the incubation and transmission assumptions we now understand are not true. In all likelihood, plenty of others have died from it, but weren't counted because the timing didn't line up. Right now it looks like people have been walking around infected in Seattle since mid January. Yeah, it is just going to be part of the annual flu season now. Reports of reinfection seem to be errant so I would assume we'll see the infection/mortality rates to drop (from whatever they truly are) over the next few seasons. I think the lesson is that if we do uncover some new/ancient superbug from melting ice caps or contaminated biomes we're hopeless to stop it. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
What it really shows is how complete a quarantine an Orwellian nightmare state can achieve. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22638 Posts
On March 03 2020 07:54 GreenHorizons wrote: No, more that this virus isn't deadly enough for truly draconic security measures.Yeah, it is just going to be part of the annual flu season now. Reports of reinfection seem to be errant so I would assume we'll see the infection/mortality rates to drop (from whatever they truly are) over the next few seasons. I think the lesson is that if we do uncover some new/ancient superbug from melting ice caps or contaminated biomes we're hopeless to stop it. The flu kills ~30k people in the US every year as an example. You just don't hear about it because its expected and 'normal'. You could lock down the country and let no one in or out but that's not worth the massive economic damage unless your talking about some super Ebola. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
This might even be encouraging, in a very sombre way. Even though it emerged in a country with heavy suppression of the first whistleblowers, the international community still got a lot of warning before it started to spread outside its local area. The few cases that snuck through early were identified at borders and mostly contained. Covid is spreading further because it's highly transmissible but also, despite the fearmongering, not quite bad enough to pull out all the stops. If, a few weeks ago, it had been looking like some kind of cthulhu-pathogen rather than the flu, countries would have had the option to lock down borders and mitigate it a lot more. | ||
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FBTsingLoong
China410 Posts
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On March 03 2020 09:41 Belisarius wrote: Yeah, this does seems like a bit of a dry-run for the apocalypse. If you take the theoretical wipe-out-humanity bioweapon, it would have a lot of the characteristics of covid - long asymptomatic period, very high transmission by multiple vectors - but with a much higher fatality rate. It might even be encouraging, in a very sombre way. Even though it emerged in a country with heavy suppression of the first whistleblowers, the international community still got a lot of warning before it started to spread outside its local area. The few cases that snuck through early were identified at borders and mostly contained. Covid is spreading further because it's highly transmissible but also, despite the fearmongering, not quite bad enough to pull out all the stops. If, a few weeks ago, it had been looking like some kind of cthulhu-pathogen rather than the flu, countries would have had the option to lock down borders and mitigate it a lot more. Yea, this is more my take. If we take a pathogen with similar characteristics as CoV, but say a 90% mortality rate the first country to see it is going to be decimated, but others would likely take extreme measures. That said, I think we are still vulnerable to a hypothetical pathogen of death in two potential ways: 1) An even more ridiculous incubation period, or a disease that behaves like a short term HIV with an early baby infection that then lays dormant before entering a second lethality phase a few months later, or a very long illness. Anything with a period from onset of infection to serious symptoms greater than 1 months seems incredibly dangerous still, and anything over 1 month...I think we would be in trouble. We learned from CoV that governments will act, but not until things are clearly bad. Remember that these US and foreign cases we are seeing now were seeded 4-8 weeks ago. If CoV was like a cold that didn't go away until about month, at which point it turned into a long, slow slide to respiratory failure, we would still not have any clear idea of CFR even now...and I doubt the government would be acting whatsoever. 2) Something like measles level inherent contagiousness with a longer incubation period. If CoV spread as tiny airborne particles that stay suspended for hours...I'm not so sure we could contain that, especially if the incubation period was long. By the time we realized, the number of infected would be out of control. On March 03 2020 07:51 Mohdoo wrote: In Seattle, the reason the 6 dead weren't considered nCov patients was because of the incubation and transmission assumptions we now understand are not true. In all likelihood, plenty of others have died from it, but weren't counted because the timing didn't line up. Right now it looks like people have been walking around infected in Seattle since mid January. As much as it seems to spread, I would suspect that people have been walking around in most major population centers worldwide spreading it. I don't think we will see the peak until April, and probably this will be ongoing until fall...unless we are as lucky as the US President thinks we are and "heat kills the virus". | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24370 Posts
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On March 03 2020 10:17 FBTsingLoong wrote: I've stayed at home for more than a month. Hello my friend. How are you doing mentally? Is there still plenty of food in the stores? Thank you, take care. | ||
Nixer
2774 Posts
Boredom is the word. On March 03 2020 07:29 Mohdoo wrote: This is a clear indication that China has vastly understated their infection levels. The only indication that picture gives is that production has been lower, not just because of the virus but also the Chinese New Year. (Look at the dates) | ||
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FBTsingLoong
China410 Posts
On March 03 2020 11:49 travis wrote: Hello my friend. How are you doing mentally? Is there still plenty of food in the stores? Thank you, take care. Fine,thanks.Food is enough for sure at present,the supermarket will deliver food to the community.Only the masks are in short. | ||
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Wohodix
France34 Posts
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
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Yurie
12175 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18451 Posts
On March 04 2020 02:20 Wohodix wrote: Hey this is pure speculation but I feel internet is really bad this days in Europe, especially at peak hour. Is it just coincidence, my internet, or could it be either people freaking out or even some massive censoring (partially justified imo because there is a lot of bullshit circulating and mass hysteria could be just worse) from either China Usa Eu or Google / facebook ? Have you bought your tinfoil hat yet? Seems to me the brain rays the reptilians are beaming are far more dangerous than corona virus. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On March 04 2020 03:17 Acrofales wrote: Have you bought your tinfoil hat yet? Seems to me the brain rays the reptilians are beaming are far more dangerous than corona virus. He just asked a question. Even if you think it's silly there is no reason to be rude to him. | ||
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