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Any and all updates regarding the COVID-19 will need a source provided. Please do your part in helping us to keep this thread maintainable and under control.

It is YOUR responsibility to fully read through the sources that you link, and you MUST provide a brief summary explaining what the source is about. Do not expect other people to do the work for you.

Conspiracy theories and fear mongering will absolutely not be tolerated in this thread. Expect harsh mod actions if you try to incite fear needlessly.

This is not a politics thread! You are allowed to post information regarding politics if it's related to the coronavirus, but do NOT discuss politics in here.

Added a disclaimer on page 662. Many need to post better.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
February 28 2020 13:05 GMT
#21
No impact in Western Australia as yet and only two cases in isolation in hospital but the economy will start to suffer soon as we are so reliant on mining exports to China, international students from China and tourism from China.

The longer this Coronavirus goes on the worse the upcoming recession will be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23224 Posts
February 28 2020 15:05 GMT
#22
Anyone know how many people the regular flu kills in China every year?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
February 28 2020 15:23 GMT
#23
Why would you ask that? Coronavirus and influenza are different.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23224 Posts
February 28 2020 15:29 GMT
#24
On February 29 2020 00:23 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Why would you ask that? Coronavirus and influenza are different.


Because it is a question I get frequently in trying to understand the reaction. Poor people get sick and have to go to work anyway all the time. A lot of them want to know if they should think of this differently and why.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-28 15:57:44
February 28 2020 15:54 GMT
#25
There's a wealth of information online from reliable sources telling you exactly why coronavirus is different from influenza. Is TL.net your sole source of information? Why would anybody ask you these questions you are ill prepared to answer and apparently lack the simple wherewithal to search for answers? Why the flu in particular? Its symptoms don't even match influenza. There is no need to downplay it, just as there is no need to fearmonger over it.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9118 Posts
February 28 2020 16:07 GMT
#26
On February 29 2020 00:54 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
There's a wealth of information online from reliable sources telling you exactly why coronavirus is different from influenza. Is TL.net your sole source of information? Why would anybody ask you these questions you are ill prepared to answer and apparently lack the simple wherewithal to search for answers? Why the flu in particular? Its symptoms don't even match influenza. There is no need to downplay it, just as there is no need to fearmonger over it.

Both are viral respiratory tract infections that cause fever, coughs, runny nose and can lead to pneumonia. The comparison is very much valid, why are you acting like he just compared unicorns to scorpions.
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-28 16:15:34
February 28 2020 16:12 GMT
#27
In what way does the symptoms of the flu (influenza a and b) not match that of covid-19 in your opinion?

Still waiting for the first case to end up at my hospital. We are not one the four national centres who are supposed to receive all cases, but frankly the symptoms are somewhat hard to differentiate so I think it's a question of time if we get an actual outbreak here (so far only 2 positive, but likely some untested infected out there). Luckily we had the H1N1 scare and our plans from back then are just as viable today. Would be interesting to be involved but obviously I hope we will be spared.

I should probably mention that none of us are routinely wearing any additional protection in our day to day work. Currently the attention being paid is largely academic curiosity.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-28 16:20:45
February 28 2020 16:18 GMT
#28
France here
I am getting emails from school/work that if i travel to a contaminated area i aint supposed to come back after a period of 14days. I am starting to see fewer people in the subway as well.
On February 29 2020 00:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
Anyone know how many people the regular flu kills in China every year?

key points to know is that influenza has a mortality rate around 0.1 to 0.2% while coronavirus has a mortality rate around 2 to 3% while being more infectious (due to being new and spreadable during the incubation period, i believe). So the "what about influenza" question can easily be answered with a 5min google search.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-28 16:24:50
February 28 2020 16:22 GMT
#29
A runny nose is not a symptom of coronavirus. Please don't spread misinformation. Don't trust TL.net. It's not a reliable source of information. It only takes a few seconds longer to check anything that isn't TL.net.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23224 Posts
February 28 2020 16:29 GMT
#30
On February 29 2020 01:18 Erasme wrote:
France here
I am getting emails from school/work that if i travel to a contaminated area i aint supposed to come back after a period of 14days. I am starting to see fewer people in the subway as well.
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2020 00:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
Anyone know how many people the regular flu kills in China every year?

key points to know is that influenza has a mortality rate around 0.1 to 0.2% while coronavirus has a mortality rate around 2 to 3% while being more infectious (due to being new and spreadable during the incubation period, i believe). So the "what about influenza" question can easily be answered with a 5min google search.


Scaling up US numbers is what I had been guesstimating, so ~200,000 people dying from the flu in China. I was just curious if anyone had a number with a source. Had no idea it would be so controversial a question.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
February 28 2020 16:30 GMT
#31
My family and I are not affected personally (yet), but I wrote a song about the Coronavirus nevertheless. I just needed to get it out of my system:



Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7297 Posts
February 28 2020 16:30 GMT
#32
If the cdc website is right maybe I had corona virus a week or so ago, I was in China like six months ago...

Yes I’m joking relax.

I do expect it to wind up here in Virginia sooner rather than later, though, what with DC being right there. That and employers not giving two shits about people coming into work while sick.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23224 Posts
February 28 2020 16:35 GMT
#33
On February 29 2020 01:30 Zambrah wrote:
If the cdc website is right maybe I had corona virus a week or so ago, I was in China like six months ago...

Yes I’m joking relax.

I do expect it to wind up here in Virginia sooner rather than later, though, what with DC being right there. That and employers not giving two shits about people coming into work while sick.


I'm just assuming this will be added into the seasonal viral mix at this point because most of the workers I organize with are going to just work through anything resembling Corona unless or until they need to be hospitalized because they can't afford not to.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9118 Posts
February 28 2020 16:49 GMT
#34
On February 29 2020 01:22 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
A runny nose is not a symptom of coronavirus. Please don't spread misinformation. Don't trust TL.net. It's not a reliable source of information. It only takes a few seconds longer to check anything that isn't TL.net.

So why didn't you take those few seconds to check this and see that it is a symptom (albeit, not as common as the other two listed) before replying with this misinformation-police nonsense?
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
February 28 2020 16:53 GMT
#35
A runny nose is not a symptom of coronavirus. Please don't spread misinformation.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7297 Posts
February 28 2020 16:56 GMT
#36
WHO lists mild runny nose as a possible symptom, but CDC doesn’t, so it’s definitely not something cleared up with three seconds of googling
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23224 Posts
February 28 2020 16:57 GMT
#37
On February 29 2020 01:53 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
A runny nose is not a symptom of coronavirus. Please don't spread misinformation.


You should immediately contact the CDC and tell them this.

A: Limited reports of children with COVID-19 in China have described cold-like symptoms, such as fever, runny nose, and cough


www.cdc.gov
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1927 Posts
February 28 2020 17:23 GMT
#38
In Southern Germany we still joke about it at the office even though it seems likely that it is currently spreading all around us undetected. The office suggests to be ready to work from home at any time if needed. My fear is that the brits get scared and don't let flights from Stuttgart in when I want to travel there for vacation next Wednesday...
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-28 17:27:57
February 28 2020 17:27 GMT
#39
On February 29 2020 01:29 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2020 01:18 Erasme wrote:
France here
I am getting emails from school/work that if i travel to a contaminated area i aint supposed to come back after a period of 14days. I am starting to see fewer people in the subway as well.
On February 29 2020 00:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
Anyone know how many people the regular flu kills in China every year?

key points to know is that influenza has a mortality rate around 0.1 to 0.2% while coronavirus has a mortality rate around 2 to 3% while being more infectious (due to being new and spreadable during the incubation period, i believe). So the "what about influenza" question can easily be answered with a 5min google search.


Scaling up US numbers is what I had been guesstimating, so ~200,000 people dying from the flu in China. I was just curious if anyone had a number with a source. Had no idea it would be so controversial a question.

Nah it's not controversial, my bad for sounding so agressive. It just usually leads to "well since more people are dying from influenza than coronavirus then it doesn't matter" which is missing the point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23224 Posts
February 28 2020 17:57 GMT
#40
On February 29 2020 02:27 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2020 01:29 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 29 2020 01:18 Erasme wrote:
France here
I am getting emails from school/work that if i travel to a contaminated area i aint supposed to come back after a period of 14days. I am starting to see fewer people in the subway as well.
On February 29 2020 00:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
Anyone know how many people the regular flu kills in China every year?

key points to know is that influenza has a mortality rate around 0.1 to 0.2% while coronavirus has a mortality rate around 2 to 3% while being more infectious (due to being new and spreadable during the incubation period, i believe). So the "what about influenza" question can easily be answered with a 5min google search.


Scaling up US numbers is what I had been guesstimating, so ~200,000 people dying from the flu in China. I was just curious if anyone had a number with a source. Had no idea it would be so controversial a question.

Nah it's not controversial, my bad for sounding so agressive. It just usually leads to "well since more people are dying from influenza than coronavirus then it doesn't matter" which is missing the point.


np, it definitely matters. For me specifically it is helping people recognize the absurdity of the US's healthcare and sick leave systems.

The idea that people that work with things people put in their mouths will inevitably go to work with undiagnosed Corona Virus (and it spreading from coughs and such) has a sobering effect on people outside of my typical organizing circles.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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