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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On August 08 2020 06:32 Elroi wrote: Why do you think that? Do you have some kind of source to back that up? All I have seen from Sweden is that keeping the schools open turned out to be relatively unproblematic. We had community spread during a big part of the spring but only about 1% of the identified cases were children (that means that children are very underrepresented). We also haven't had any deaths among children and only one teacher has died so far in the country (source in Swedish). Since we have about 240 000 active teachers, I would say they are probably a heavily underrepresented group among the victims of the disease. Those results hardly justify the closing of schools even in places with relatively high levels of community spread in my opinion. It's less of a problem that children will get sick and die and more of a problem that children are notorious vectors for spreading disease to adults they come in contact with (parents, teachers, staff, etc). This is true well beyond coronavirus in particular, but there have been a decent number of reports linked throughout this thread of similar such events - illness after early school opening, summer camp coronavirus spread, etc. - that it's not that hard to see what follows. And in the US, there has already been significantly more than one teacher death from coronavirus. Not hard to see that there will be more. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46498 Posts
On August 08 2020 06:59 Erasme wrote: There are already reports of schools having to quarantine personnel/students due to positive testings. Plus, you know, the whole thing that kids don't run schools by themselves and that "kids" in that instance can go up to 25yo, or more, since we're talking about students. I'm not at all surprised. This is an actual (paraphrased) discussion my district is having with the non-educators in power... Non-educators: Surely, all the children will be responsible and mature and always wear their masks in school. Also non-educators: We can't give the kids any hand sanitizers that contain alcohol because they might drink it. The cognitive dissonance is astounding. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
I haven't found them, but the spreading risk for children seems like a debate resolvable by science rather than politics. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27460 Posts
On August 08 2020 07:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I'm not at all surprised. This is an actual (paraphrased) discussion my district is having with the non-educators in power... Non-educators: Surely, all the children will be responsible and mature and always wear their masks in school. Also non-educators: We can't give the kids any hand sanitizers that contain alcohol because they might drink it. The cognitive dissonance is astounding. Ridiculous. From personal experience hand sanitiser tastes horrific so that’ll put the kids right off. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On August 08 2020 07:39 Wombat_NI wrote: Ridiculous. From personal experience hand sanitiser tastes horrific so that’ll put the kids right off. Hasn't hand sanitizer been a staple in schools since far before coronavirus? I certainly recall seeing it in schools far more often than in just about any other venue. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27460 Posts
On August 08 2020 07:54 LegalLord wrote: Hasn't hand sanitizer been a staple in schools since far before coronavirus? I certainly recall seeing it in schools far more often than in just about any other venue. I don’t recall sanitiser being a thing through my entire education. Talking about the real high alcohol stuff that evaporates off the hands. Only really experienced it working through retail through this lovely pandemic. Might be present these days, or indeed more a thing other countries do, not sure really! Will find out when my mum and sister return to school I suppose! Interested to see how this potential disaster goes, fingers crossed. My alma mater and where my mum still works and my sister attends as a student had sorted rotas and a week on/week off rotation to keep things in place. For slightly older students without critical exams, who could be left at home this seemed a good system. Not a catch-all either. My sister had adjusted to 100% remote learning relatively smoothly so I think that system would have been fine for her, albeit that’s anecdotal. But our education minister insisted on full time attendance so that’s where we’re at now. From memory of my school days the foot traffic was pretty insane between classes and at break times, presumably some internal measures will be employed to mitigate that. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46498 Posts
On August 08 2020 07:21 Nevuk wrote: Do they not realize a 5 year old is allowed to buy hand sanitizer? There's no age restriction on it I'd imagine the hand sanitizer would be confiscated, although I'm pretty sure that many classrooms, teachers, and students already have different forms of sanitizers anyway, nowadays. On August 08 2020 07:39 Wombat_NI wrote: Ridiculous. From personal experience hand sanitiser tastes horrific so that’ll put the kids right off. I think it's aimed towards high schoolers who think it'll be a way to get drunk in school, regardless of the taste. If they're willing to butt chug and eat tide pods, I wouldn't be surprised if they try to get a sanitizer buzz. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On August 08 2020 07:25 Belisarius wrote: Surely by now we have some reliable studies on this. I haven't found them, but the spreading risk for children seems like a debate resolvable by science rather than politics. Different viruses spread differently. We know basics, but many specific dynamics need a lot of time and data to study since we can't just run experiments by infecting people using various protocols as tests. That would be unethical. So we basically use data. As was the case with other covid things, there's a lot of conflicting data right now which basically means someone was using shitty data. Or different strains. We'll know what's going on after about a month of classes. That's why Oregon and lots of states are openly having early openers be beta testers. We won't have specifics, like transmission rates and stuff, but we'll be able to tell "good idea or bad idea?" | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
Hopefully I'll finally hit M3 in SC2  On August 08 2020 00:08 Wombat_NI wrote: Wish you the best of luck man! I know culturally in our respective nations it’s generally frowned upon to be living with one’s parents, but there are many advantages and it’s nice to reconnect with family too. Best of luck to you as well! Fortunately it's a bit less stigmatized for me considering I am in my early-mid 20s. I'm looking forward to having some stability and having some guaranteed-good socialization | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On August 08 2020 15:33 Chocolate wrote: Thanks for the hobby recommendations all, definitely going to try to hike or do something outside beside run around the park. I already do play boardgames with my parents although maybe it would be a good idea to get some new ones (like Dominion or Settlers) they haven't tried yet. Sounds like a good opportunity to get into a legacy tabletop game. I was in your situation a few months ago (my workplace had instituted full home office, so I went to my parents in the countryside for 2 months), and we got through Pandemic Legacy in that time. Very appropriate game for the state of the world too  . | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
There's been a few parties linked to big outbreaks now. One host in Vancouver had a 100+ person party, refuses to give up names of attendees and lies about how many were in attendance. 3 officers out of the dozen+ who spent hours breaking up the party have tested positive so far, so very likely, there's hundreds of cases running wild now. https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/08/07/three-vpd-officers-postive-for-covid-19-after-breaking-up-party/ It pisses me off so much. These private parties have massive public consequences. They need private consequences as well. The cost of hosting such a party should be hundreds of dollars per attendee over the limit fined to the host and property owner. If it's an airbnb, well you shouldn't have listed a party house, get fucked. If you rent, well have fun finding a new place to live next month as well as paying off the fine. Oh and your name should be plastered over the news. If your employer thinks you deserve it, you should lose your job as well. Covid is not a fucking joke. | ||
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Simberto
Germany12018 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27460 Posts
On August 09 2020 03:43 Lmui wrote: Well. We had a good couple months in BC. There's been a few parties linked to big outbreaks now. One host in Vancouver had a 100+ person party, refuses to give up names of attendees and lies about how many were in attendance. 3 officers out of the dozen+ who spent hours breaking up the party have tested positive so far, so very likely, there's hundreds of cases running wild now. https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/08/07/three-vpd-officers-postive-for-covid-19-after-breaking-up-party/ It pisses me off so much. These private parties have massive public consequences. They need private consequences as well. The cost of hosting such a party should be hundreds of dollars per attendee over the limit fined to the host and property owner. If it's an airbnb, well you shouldn't have listed a party house, get fucked. If you rent, well have fun finding a new place to live next month as well as paying off the fine. Oh and your name should be plastered over the news. If your employer thinks you deserve it, you should lose your job as well. Covid is not a fucking joke. Eugh, fucking sick of it. Fuck these people. Meh they won’t have any real consequences, rest of us who’ve had to work through the thing and not see our kids, or be laid off jobs, or contract corona will just have to suck it up. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On August 09 2020 03:43 Lmui wrote: Well. We had a good couple months in BC. There's been a few parties linked to big outbreaks now. One host in Vancouver had a 100+ person party, refuses to give up names of attendees and lies about how many were in attendance. 3 officers out of the dozen+ who spent hours breaking up the party have tested positive so far, so very likely, there's hundreds of cases running wild now. https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/08/07/three-vpd-officers-postive-for-covid-19-after-breaking-up-party/ It pisses me off so much. These private parties have massive public consequences. They need private consequences as well. The cost of hosting such a party should be hundreds of dollars per attendee over the limit fined to the host and property owner. If it's an airbnb, well you shouldn't have listed a party house, get fucked. If you rent, well have fun finding a new place to live next month as well as paying off the fine. Oh and your name should be plastered over the news. If your employer thinks you deserve it, you should lose your job as well. Covid is not a fucking joke. I’m sad to hear Canada has this problem. Hollywood and LA in general has stories about big parties. A bunch of dumb Instagram influencers claimed that it’s vital to their jobs/advertising to sport their brands and record videos. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/05/us/coronavirus-death-toll-us.html Also by excess deaths, the USA likely passed 200k covid deaths now. Texas in particular looks to be severely undereporting deaths (5000 reported, 13500 excess, 8500 diff). Most of the states near the chart in cases are also likely to be undercounting as well. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22646 Posts
On August 09 2020 07:52 Lmui wrote: Ah thank you, I was looking for more recent info on excess deaths.The most frustrating thing is it's generally not the party goers who get negatively impacted. They're young, they'll live. Their families, coworkers, random people on the street near them are the most affected. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/05/us/coronavirus-death-toll-us.html Also by excess deaths, the USA likely passed 200k covid deaths now. Texas in particular looks to be severely undereporting deaths (5000 reported, 13500 excess, 8500 diff). Most of the states near the chart in cases are also likely to be undercounting as well. You switched the numbers on Texas tho, its 5k difference. Worldometer has them at 8500 reported. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
On August 09 2020 08:10 Gorsameth wrote: Ah thank you, I was looking for more recent info on excess deaths. You switched the numbers on Texas tho, its 5k difference. Worldometer has them at 8500 reported. Odd the nyt article has it the other way around. Makes sense though, somewhere around 60% more deaths than reported rather than 160% | ||
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TT1
Canada10090 Posts
No one wants to see deaths go back up to 2k+, unfortunately it's looking like it will tho. | ||
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