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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45051 Posts
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria832 Posts
The clinical trials of the world's first coronavirus vaccine on volunteers at Sechenov First Moscow State Medical University has been successfully completed, Vadim Tarasov, the director of the Institute for Translational Medicine and Biotechnology, according to Russian news agency Sputnik, adding that the first group of volunteers would be discharged on 15 July and the second on 20 July. Link: https://www.livemint.com/news/india/world-s-first-covid-19-vaccine-russia-successfully-completes-clinical-trials-11594562159656.html Also, vaccine tracker: https://www.raps.org/news-and-articles/news-articles/2020/3/covid-19-vaccine-tracker | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11631 Posts
On July 12 2020 22:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: All of what Chewbacca said + the fact that Florida is already in a huge, spiking crisis right now. Now is certainly *not* the time for Florida, of all places, to ease restrictions for amusement parks and other super-popular, super-crowded destinations. I love Disney World, but it's simply impossible to maintain proper social distancing there. For me, it is mostly the "currently going exponential" thing. The last thing Florida should be doing right now is opening up anything. They should be closing stuff down. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
And beyond that, I have zero confidence that people will take it seriously. Putting aside that it's Florida, people in crowded vacation venues simply don't take social distancing seriously. I learned that myself when I took a vacation a couple weeks back to a crowded vacation venue. Big mistake - don't do that unless you're willing to wade right into the middle of a plague hotspot. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On July 13 2020 02:04 LegalLord wrote: On top of that, the Disney parks are just about the worst places you could imagine for socially distant entertainment. If you stand 6 ft apart in line it will go on for miles, the rides are obviously no distancing whatsoever, lots of touching and germs in general, and so on. And beyond that, I have zero confidence that people will take it seriously. Putting aside that it's Florida, people in crowded vacation venues simply don't take social distancing seriously. I learned that myself when I took a vacation a couple weeks back to a crowded vacation venue. Big mistake - don't do that unless you're willing to wade right into the middle of a plague hotspot. Why would anyone go to a theme park if they took a pandemic seriously? So of course the people there won’t give a shit about distancing. Maybe like a loud, unpopular 1% will care but they’re stupid for going in the first place. Theme parks are inherently dirty places, even the disney ones. | ||
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anti_hero
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On July 13 2020 06:24 Mohdoo wrote: Opening Disney world feels criminally negligent. Does anyone know what sort of systems we can use to contain Florida? It feels like it makes sense to just build a wall around Florida and make them pay for it. They are completely out of control at this point I'm reminded of the meme where Bugs Bunny saws Florida off the map. Not just Disney, Universal reopened their parks too. Now Florida has basically one-upped the world on new cases. Side note, I will never understand the capitalist class's super-myopic focus on short-term gains. Businesses rushing to reopen as quickly as possible are forcing everyone to stay in quarantine longer. They would literally be better off if they just cooled it long enough for everything to settle down. We don't even get to worry about a 2nd wave and whether it might happen, because we insist on sating the great God, Economy, literally suggesting old folks should sacrifice their lives to keep this shitty machine running. I was sincerely hoping the pandemic would be what it finally took to start unpacking how broken everything is. Guess not. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11631 Posts
On July 13 2020 06:39 NewSunshine wrote: I'm reminded of the meme where Bugs Bunny saws Florida off the map. Not just Disney, Universal reopened their parks too. Now Florida has basically one-upped the world on new cases. Side note, I will never understand the capitalist class's super-myopic focus on short-term gains. Businesses rushing to reopen as quickly as possible are forcing everyone to stay in quarantine longer. They would literally be better off if they just cooled it long enough for everything to settle down. We don't even get to worry about a 2nd wave and whether it might happen, because we insist on sating the great God, Economy, literally suggesting old folks should sacrifice their lives to keep this shitty machine running. I was sincerely hoping the pandemic would be what it finally took to start unpacking how broken everything is. Guess not. It's also a tragedy of the commons situation. It might be better for the capitalists if everyone shut down hard. But imagine if only you shut down, and the other guys stay open. Suddenly they are making money, you are not making any money, and you still have to deal with the pandemic because just you shutting down doesn't stop it. In a situation like this, you would need some political leadership which forces all of them to shut down. Or a public willing to boycott them hard. | ||
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StalkerTL
212 Posts
On July 13 2020 06:24 Mohdoo wrote: Opening Disney world feels criminally negligent. Does anyone know what sort of systems we can use to contain Florida? It feels like it makes sense to just build a wall around Florida and make them pay for it. They are completely out of control at this point Use the police or military to lockdown all land borders, cancel all flights to and from Florida until the situation is brought under control. In a sane country, it would be Florida who does all of these things to prevent the spread of coronavirus but DeSantis clearly doesn’t care about a good chunk of America getting organ damage from coronavirus. The inaction (and slow reactions from everyone else) is insane, are they seriously still buying that this is just a flu? 15,000 cases a day is just unacceptable given what we’ve seen in Europe and New York. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
On July 13 2020 06:39 NewSunshine wrote: I'm reminded of the meme where Bugs Bunny saws Florida off the map. Not just Disney, Universal reopened their parks too. Now Florida has basically one-upped the world on new cases. Side note, I will never understand the capitalist class's super-myopic focus on short-term gains. Businesses rushing to reopen as quickly as possible are forcing everyone to stay in quarantine longer. They would literally be better off if they just cooled it long enough for everything to settle down. We don't even get to worry about a 2nd wave and whether it might happen, because we insist on sating the great God, Economy, literally suggesting old folks should sacrifice their lives to keep this shitty machine running. I was sincerely hoping the pandemic would be what it finally took to start unpacking how broken everything is. Guess not. Yeah one thing that this has shown is how important it is to have a strong, leadership-focused federal government. If Trump had shut the country down to begin with, our total economic output would be higher and unemployment would be lower. Even if we assume capitalist metrics are all that matter, the conservative government's approach has been a failure. The total economic damage caused by covid will be increased by pursuing short term profits. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6215 Posts
Just on numbers alone, they're 4th in new positive cases ahead of all countries except Brazil, India and the US. It's insane that they think this is ok. User was not actually warned for this post since the mod team would crucify me for abusing my powers like that. But at the very least, I have to do something so that I can prove that I am a man of my word. It is Disney World for FL, and Disneyland for California. Get it right. Edited for world lol | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23470 Posts
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ZerOCoolSC2
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I flew out of O'Hare Chicago to Kansas City and the airports were empty (back in May). I don't know what they look like now but I'm assuming there aren't many people flying around the country if it isn't business related and even then, I'm sure there are going to be contact tracing enforced. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On July 13 2020 08:34 Lmui wrote: Jeez florida has 15k new cases today. It's ridiculous that they want to open anything further, forget Disney Just on numbers alone, they're 4th in new positive cases ahead of all countries except Brazil, India and the US. It's insane that they think this is ok. User was not actually warned for this post since the mod team would crucify me for abusing my powers like that, but at the very least, I have to do something so that I can prove that I am a man of my word. It is Disney World for FL, and Disneyland for California. Get it right. Edited for world lol It's hard to imagine doing this thing worse than Florida. The worst part is that unlike even countries like Brazil that are failing to stop the spread, Florida has yet to even meaningfully acknowledge the existence of a problem. It can only get worse at this rate. It might indeed become the first large-scale "herd immunity" example we see. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26040 Posts
On July 13 2020 06:39 NewSunshine wrote: I'm reminded of the meme where Bugs Bunny saws Florida off the map. Not just Disney, Universal reopened their parks too. Now Florida has basically one-upped the world on new cases. Side note, I will never understand the capitalist class's super-myopic focus on short-term gains. Businesses rushing to reopen as quickly as possible are forcing everyone to stay in quarantine longer. They would literally be better off if they just cooled it long enough for everything to settle down. We don't even get to worry about a 2nd wave and whether it might happen, because we insist on sating the great God, Economy, literally suggesting old folks should sacrifice their lives to keep this shitty machine running. I was sincerely hoping the pandemic would be what it finally took to start unpacking how broken everything is. Guess not. Why is that myopic focus on short term gains hard to understand? What’s the worst that can happen for them really? | ||
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StalkerTL
212 Posts
I believe Disney re-opening this soon was partly a response to Universal announcing June re-opening plans. It’s a chain reaction where when one person makes a stupid short sighted plan, everyone jumps in so they don’t miss out of the financial benefit before everything gets locked down again. The free market made it’s decision and there wasn’t anyone to offer any resistance to that decision. I don’t really blame them, businesses who are profit motivated have made a pretty rational decision. There isn’t any reason to stay closed if everyone is opening up and it’s clear that everyone is going to eventually get sick. | ||
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