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Regarding asthma, up till 3 days ago I was using the following UK guidance on which asthma patients were considered high risk and would therefore be advised to shield for 12 weeks:
1) Combination of:
- steroid inhaler
- preventer inhaler
- and four or more courses of oral steroids in the last six months
2) Hospital admission for asthma related problems within last 12 months
3) Any admission ever requiring intensive care
That said, for whatever reason this appears to have disappeared since three days ago. Instead it's more vague, referencing 'moderate/severe asthma patients' rather than specific scenarios. Whether that's deliberate or not, I don't know.
If you have a specific situation you're worried about feel free to PM me and I can help to gauge your asthma severity, but at the end of the day it often is a personal decision about how seriously to take your social distancing/isolation. No doctor can tell you with absolute certainty because, well, this is all new to us.
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On April 07 2020 05:08 Mohdoo wrote:
When is the last time a major world leader has been fighting for their life against an illness? This is totally insane.
Leaders are just normal people, so they're not immune to virus. Some leaders were infected during Spanish flu, so just like any major disease, there are no exceptions. I also doubt Boris Johnson is getting that good healthcare because doctors possibly still know very little about coronavirus. He might get checked more often than others though, I can believe in that.
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On April 07 2020 05:08 Mohdoo wrote:
When is the last time a major world leader has been fighting for their life against an illness? This is totally insane.
Not most recent things but you had Thatcher bombed in Briton if that counts and had a lucky escape. Harold Wilson had to stand down because of dementia. Anthony Eden was on amphetamines and had a complete breakdown after Suez. Churchill had a stroke while in office in the 50s.
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On April 07 2020 07:21 SC-Shield wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2020 05:08 Mohdoo wrote:
When is the last time a major world leader has been fighting for their life against an illness? This is totally insane. Leaders are just normal people, so they're not immune to virus. Some leaders were infected during Spanish flu, so just like any major disease, there are no exceptions. I also doubt Boris Johnson is getting that good healthcare because doctors possibly still know very little about coronavirus. He might get checked more often than others though, I can believe in that.
You say that and it is true, but it's also not something so obvious as to be ubiquitous. It was just a few days ago that we had a discussion in one of the politics threads about how all of the (>70 years old) US candidates for president were in the highest risk group, and there was a debate whether or not high-quality medical care would save them from the virus.
I'm sure world leaders will get the best care available, but the reality is that regardless of who you are, you're in much better shape if you don't get so sick that you have to go into intensive care. Lots of people in reasonably good health have been either killed or brought to the brink of death by this virus, and a 55 year old individual in good enough health to be a world leader is hardly the "highest risk group."
That, perhaps, is as good an argument as any to avoid the "chicken pox party" approach to immunity.
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On April 07 2020 08:18 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2020 07:21 SC-Shield wrote:On April 07 2020 05:08 Mohdoo wrote:
When is the last time a major world leader has been fighting for their life against an illness? This is totally insane. Leaders are just normal people, so they're not immune to virus. Some leaders were infected during Spanish flu, so just like any major disease, there are no exceptions. I also doubt Boris Johnson is getting that good healthcare because doctors possibly still know very little about coronavirus. He might get checked more often than others though, I can believe in that. You say that and it is true, but it's also not something so obvious as to be ubiquitous. It was just a few days ago that we had a discussion in one of the politics threads about how all of the (>70 years old) US candidates for president were in the highest risk group, and there was a debate whether or not high-quality medical care would save them from the virus. I'm sure world leaders will get the best care available, but the reality is that regardless of who you are, you're in much better shape if you don't get so sick that you have to go into intensive care. Lots of people in reasonably good health have been either killed or brought to the brink of death by this virus, and a 55 year old individual in good enough health to be a world leader is hardly the "highest risk group." That, perhaps, is as good an argument as any to avoid the "chicken pox party" approach to immunity.
To be fair, that argument was less an argument and more a statement of hyperbole by me, which I recognize isn't a fully apt belief to hold. 
I would mostly assume these older high profile politicians would be doted on by doctors and have a better shot of survival than the average person, it'd be diagnosed sooner, symptoms would be noted more quickly and treated with more urgency, etc.
Granted everyone else's points were stronger imo, to my knowledge there arent any particularly good therapies or treatments for COVID-19 as of yet, so these older politicians may see doctors sooner, but I suppose they really won't have a whole lot more that can be done to them that can't be done to anyone else as we may be seeing with Boris Johnson.
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Wild to imagine Boris Johnson possibly dying less than a year into his PM career, especially considering all of the turmoil the UK has gone through the past few years. This is getting serious as heck.
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On April 07 2020 02:49 Emnjay808 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2020 00:14 MumofR1ch wrote:
Have been in lockdown here on Eleuthera, Bahamas for three weeks. Bahamian Government doing a great job of stopping the spread. We have a Friday night to Monday morning curfew, no shopping, no driving, just stay home unless you have an emergency. For the rest of the week we can shop on certain days of the week depending on your initial of your last name. You have to show ID to shop and only one designated family member can go into the shop. Obviously we have restricted numbers of how many people can shop at once as our grocery stores are very small. Police are on the one and only road that travels the length of the island and they stop you and ask where you are going.
Feeling very safe and very lucky to live here.
Inter-island travel was banned two weeks ago except for the boats which bring our food. Staff on the boats are not allowed into the general community, just deliver goods at the dock and leave.
We have some cases of Covid-19 in New Providence (Nassau), Bimini and Grand Bahama with five deaths in total, these are the islands most visited by cruise ships and tourists. Grand Bahamas was devastated after Dorian, so this is a double whammy for them.
All in all just hunkering down and missing my son very much, I worry about him in Utrecht as it appears to be rife in The Netherlands.
Sending my best wishes and hope that this wonderful TL community stays safe. I wish the island of Oahu could do the same lockdown standards like you guys. People are still shopping with all family members and people are still “taking a stroll” in hike paths and beaches. Our lockdown is so hands-off. Maybe we lack the law enforcement manpower or our governor is a wuss. We’ve been in lockdown since the 23rd of March? It honestly feels a lot longer than that, and I can fully attest a sizeable portion of the population are still having gatherings as usual.
Ayyy this happened https://www.instagram.com/p/B-qXn1xFglw/?igshid=fc5vp9rj4g8q
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Where dat snitch at?37025 Posts
Thread is starting to head in the direction of politics again. Let's bring it back and stay on track.
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Quarantine has drastically changed my hobbies after work. I now have returned to teamliquid to troll the TL Mafia forums, which was at a dying state before the Coronavirus. Now, old timers have returned to the playing field. It have given me the time to troll like I never could before.
If you dare to learn more, please visit our subforum at https://tl.net/forum/mafia/
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anyone know if there is a way to buy kf94 masks directly from korea? aliexpress ones are fake right?
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On April 07 2020 18:32 zerggggg01 wrote:
anyone know if there is a way to buy kf94 masks directly from korea? aliexpress ones are fake right?
You cant
I asked a Korean friend to send me but the post office needs proof that we are relatives. And if we were relatives they are only allowed to send 8.
Really strict with masks export atm
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On April 06 2020 17:29 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2020 09:22 Emnjay808 wrote:
U mean if they swap their generic materiel then the mutated virus is still capable of doing what the novel COVIDs been doing too? Well that’s scary. Acording to the articles I've read most viruses ten to mutate towards less lethal state -> they want survive and spread, so the host has to live as long as possible while spreading as long as possible. It's not guaranteed but let's be for once optimistic 
For usual viruses, if they mutate towards more lethal strains, host dies faster so virus has less time to spread. Or the infected host gets identified and isolated when symptoms appear, and thus less chance for it to spread further.
However, covid has plenty of time to spread with its long asymptomatic incubation period even if it mutates to a more lethal strain.
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The long asymptomatic incubation period is itself an aspect of the virus that can change via mutation, so as others have said, mutagenesis doesn't necessarily weigh in any specific direction here. It could get worse, it could get better, we really don't know.
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This is week 4 of telecommuting for me, I think the farthest I've walked from my house is 3 blocks all this time. Lucky that I have a home gym so my body doesn't turn into jelly after sitting every day.
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On April 07 2020 20:38 babysimba wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2020 17:29 deacon.frost wrote:On April 06 2020 09:22 Emnjay808 wrote:
U mean if they swap their generic materiel then the mutated virus is still capable of doing what the novel COVIDs been doing too? Well that’s scary. Acording to the articles I've read most viruses ten to mutate towards less lethal state -> they want survive and spread, so the host has to live as long as possible while spreading as long as possible. It's not guaranteed but let's be for once optimistic For usual viruses, if they mutate towards more lethal strains, host dies faster so virus has less time to spread. Or the infected host gets identified and isolated when symptoms appear, and thus less chance for it to spread further. However, covid has plenty of time to spread with its long asymptomatic incubation period even if it mutates to a more lethal strain. But would it still remain asymptomatic for so long if it were more lethal?
These things are incredibly complex with many dependencies between factors
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I think many are overrating the mutations in terms of a virus gaining new functions. They mostly concern transmissibility and are more or less the reason there's flu seasons. Pandemic-style mutations where a virus suddenly causes an entirely new disease don't even exist to my knowledge, but the severity of the disease it was already causing may vary.
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Since RNA virus can mutate,how well can vaccine work?
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On April 07 2020 21:52 FBTsingLoong wrote:
Since RNA virus can mutate,how well can vaccine work?
Same as the flu, I'd imagine. It won't be gone forever, but once the initial waves of infection have passed (over the next 1-2 years or so), I doubt this particular virus will ever be as much of a threat as it is now. That we've dealt with it now helps to mitigate the impact of all future occurrences of the same. Being a completely new virus very much increases the impact of it.
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On April 07 2020 21:52 FBTsingLoong wrote:
Since RNA virus can mutate,how well can vaccine work?
The thing about this virus is that it seems to be very slow to mutate, so vaccines should be very effective. (An example of a fast mutating virus is the influenza virus).
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On April 07 2020 20:51 farvacola wrote:
The long asymptomatic incubation period is itself an aspect of the virus that can change via mutation, so as others have said, mutagenesis doesn't necessarily weigh in any specific direction here. It could get worse, it could get better, we really don't know.
About the incubation period:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-incubation-period/
There were some early estimates that were far too long, which still cause people to believe 14 days is normal. It isn't, even though the virus is so new solid reserach is hard to come by, and the studies show very different results.
The official WHO number atm. is 2-10 days with 14 days a safety measure for quarentines.
I actully believe this virus would cause more deaths if it were less lethal. Not because it wouldn't kill millions if left unchecked, but because it is serious enough to make every country fight it with very drastic methods.
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